S01.E09: Last Chance At Romance

[62GREAT]

I was glad to see on Cortney's Facebook page and Twitter account that " it's ALL or nothing " and she " will not be dating Jason Carrion"

Even though I would like to see them stay married, if he's going to be constantly doubting and concerned about cheating that will make for a miserable marriage. So I'm glad that she has made a choice to walk away if he is going to be washy- washy about what he wants.

[sleekandchic]

So I looked up Cortney's burlesque group, The Hot Box Girls. After the pages of porn, it looks like she may not even be a featured player. I think she mostly just does the make up.

How pathetic is that anyway? Yes it did seem to me that when her troupe was featured in that one episode, she was always either in the background or on the periphery. Doing lots of hand gestures mostly. WTF? Why pretend about that? Did Cortney think that burlesque on her resume would her an advantage in being chosen for the show?

Makes me wonder if the application didn't specifically ask if the person had show business/entertainment experience.

62Great, maybe Cortney means that she won't be dating Jason Carrion because she 's married to him? They're playing games with their audience I think.

Edited September 4, 2014 by sleekandchic

[62GREAT]

I hope your right!

[PityFree]

Doug's to Jamie sucked. A performance at a stand-up club? Not romantic and now I think he is nothing but a fame whore. I thought he'd be more creative and romantic. Jamie's idea for new pics was great.

I am not a fan of Jason's t-shirts. I mean, they are creative, but where will they wear them? Also, the whole "keep calm and..." thing is really played out. Corner hit it out of the park - romantic, thoughtful, and fun.

Watches are good. No worries about getting the wrong size, not too personal, easily regifted after Vaughn and Monet run in opposite directions on decision day.

Edited September 4, 2014 by PityFree

[Armchair Critic]

I am leery that Jamie will stay with Doug to save face and then leave him later when they are out of the spotlight (another trick learned from The Bachelor franchise),

[absolutelyido]

Oh Doug - he looks and acts like my first husband, which actually makes me have this weird affection for him.  I also get a super strong past sexual/physical abuse vibe from Jamie which will require her to do some hard work with therapy.  I actually like them together, I think he can and wants to give her what she needs, but she doesn't realize that.  She, in a weird way, gives him some incentive to get his life going again and I think they could be happy in the long run.

 

Yeah, I can't help myself, I really like them together too and am really rooting for them. He just instinctively 'gets' her. I think you're right that in some weird way Jamie's issues are bringing out the best in Doug. He's never said it, but I feel like Doug was in a very similar place as Cortney before this experiment. Cortney said she had always thought of herself first, but was finally ready to care about someone else more than she cared about herself. I think Doug was in a similar place, although maybe he didn't even know it.

 

I feel like maybe Doug had a bit of maturing to do prior to the experiment. It doesn't seem like he's ever gotten serious about his career, and while moving back with his parents when he lost his job may have been the most financially responsible thing to do, it was probably the easiest too. In order to help Jamie with her issues, I think Doug has had to tap into a deep well of emotional maturity and compassion that he maybe didn't even know he had. If he really can help Jamie overcome her trust issues, I think that will end up being incredibly rewarding to him.

 

I do believe they will get past her issues, and once Jamie fully lets her guard down and trusts Doug, she will feel more connected to him than she has ever felt connected to anyone in her life. I think they can and will make it.

Edited September 4, 2014 by absolutelyido

[aradia22]

"I want and wish all the best for you. You are a great guy with a bright future." Goodbye. -Monet  There. I fixed it for you. Seriously, that sounded like she was sending him on his way.

 

In response to the... they need to stick it out... they will never find anyone better than this person argument, I present Tim Minchin.

[lovetowrite73]

I couldn't be one of Monet's friends. She appears to have to be the center of attention and she basically yells everything she says. I hate to be around people who are so over-the-top intense about every.single.thing. They never let you talk or express anything different from them. Been there, done that, hated it and moved on.

 

OMG yes!! I was telling my BF this while we were watching. I told him she's the type of personality that just would not gibe with me at all. That's why I can't feel as sorry for her as possible because she irks my nerves so badly!

[SistaLadybug]

I think that's why I care about Monet - I identify with her.  I am the bubbly, talkative woman who's been hurt when her partner responds by acting irritated when I'm at my happiest.  I've been in the predicament she's in - with a man who said he wanted bubbly, talkative and social because those are the things he isn't and then when he finds himself with such a woman, he freaks out and is turned off.  Opposites often attract but it's the commonalities that keep you together.

 

I don't think either Monet or Vaughn want what they think they want and I saw Monet reaching that realization last night.  It's fine to say "I'm not bubbly so I want a bubbly woman".  No, you don't.  You think you do because they look fun to be around but if you're a person who values peace and quiet, a bubbly woman is gonna chap your ass.  You can say you want a "traditional marriage".  No, you don't.  A "traditional marriage" is one in which your husband is going to expect to come home to a hot meal even on the days that you don't feel like cooking.  They need to be very honest with themselves about the characteristics in a partner that will mesh with their own personalities.  She's too headstrong for anything "traditional" and he's too quiet (and IMO, uptight) for anything bubbly and social.

[PityFree]

I have been thinking wayyyyyy too much about this, but I have concluded that Jamie is going to dump Doug next week. Here's why: she is petrified of being tied to a man who cannot support himself financially and Doug's REAL desire is to start a showbiz career - not sell software. Working as a standup comic is not the most stable life, as I understand it. It takes true talent and a ton of hard work to making money from doing it. No way she is willing to take a chance on Doug. So she has that excuse to dump him in addition to believing that he is a lying liar who lies.

[trimthatfat]

I feel like maybe Doug had a bit of maturing to do prior to the experiment. It doesn't seem like he's ever gotten serious about his career, and while moving back with his parents when he lost his job may have been the most financially responsible thing to do, it was probably the easiest too. In order to help Jamie with her issues, I think Doug has had to tap into a deep well of emotional maturity and compassion that he maybe didn't even know he had. If he really can help Jamie overcome her trust issues, I think that will end up being incredibly rewarding to him.

 

I just wonder what Doug's past relationships were like if he's willing to accept some of Jamie's attitude and some of the language she uses (which can appear verbally abusive). She talked about only doing romantic gestures when she is in love and then I look at Doug, who not only traveled with Jamie to her childhood home, but was wholly supportive the entire time, and I just wonder why Doug doesn't think he can do better personality-wise. Jamie is attractive, but looks certainly aren't everything.

 

I think that's why I care about Monet - I identify with her.  I am the bubbly, talkative woman who's been hurt when her partner responds by acting irritated when I'm at my happiest.  I've been in the predicament she's in - with a man who said he wanted bubbly, talkative and social because those are the things he isn't and then when he finds himself with such a woman, he freaks out and is turned off.  Opposites often attract but it's the commonalities that keep you together.

 

I am pretty quiet, but my bffs are just like Monet. I just like being around bubbly, social women even if that's not my personality and I like Monet's personality as a result.

[SistaLadybug]

I am pretty quiet, but my bffs are just like Monet. I just like being around bubbly, social women even if that's not my personality and I like Monet's personality as a result.

Most of my best friends are the same - fairly quiet and enjoy being around me because I'm ... loud (lol) and talkative and always their staunchest defender (I don't shy away from conflict).  I love them because they're calming and great listeners and strong supports.  Somehow, that exhange and complement of personalities doesn't always work as well when it comes to romantic relationships.

[Ohwell]

I've said that Monet talks too damn much for my taste, but I could tolerate her bubbly personality at a party or some other function where there are a lot of people.   I just couldn't see sitting across from her at my favorite coffee shop joint. 

 

Yap yap yap.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Ohwell

[SistaLadybug]

I've said that Monet talks too damn much for my taste, but I could tolerate her bubbly personality at a party or some other function where there are a lot of people.   I just couldn't see sitting across from her at my favorite coffee shop joint. 

 

Yap yap yap.

And that's it.  What works for platonic relationships doesn't work for romantic relationships because ... proximity.  Your friends go home, in most cases.  Your spouse lives with you.  You come home to that person every single day.  After a hard day's work.  When you're tired/sick/angry/hungry/whateverthehellelse.  And now that fun girl at the party is the chick who talks too damn much and won't cook you dinner even though you've tried to be civil and you gave her some.  She's still talking and asking you to go to brunch and she has a dog and she doesn't bring you the big piece of chicken.  Life is boo-urns.

Edited September 4, 2014 by SistaLadybug

[Waterlilly]

I think Jamie is the type that if Doug said you know I'm done, I can't make you happy and I can't break down your walls, so stick a fork in me, she would so cyber stalk him and make his life hell (probably would boil his bunny).

My son is a firefighter, he was 20 when he got married, went to Fire College, his wife got her masters and became a Physical Therepist, he was gone for six months, came home on weekends some and they made it. It didn't kill them and that was 17 years ago.

Vaughn needs to take his bed and go home, neither one of them want him in Harlem.

[Grneyedldy]

I want to preface my post by saying that Ive never seen Jamie in the Bachelor shows......

What doesn't make sense to me is that supposedly Jamie is looking for the fairytale and her reality is skewed by her messed up childhood. So why hasn't she snagged a handsome, successful and wealthy doctor? Wouldn't you think this would be the pool she would most likely swim in?

Me thinks Jamie is just a big ole FameWhore like others have mentioned. Doesn't she want to be a TV Host? WTF does that mean? It reminds me of the "Spokesperson" category on Star Search.

I also find it interesting that there are no ugly or fat lovelorn participants in this experiment. Surely if these young good looking people have done EVERYTHING to find love, there might have been one or two, less fortunate in the looks department, looking for love in all the wrong places?

[cooksdelight]

Me thinks Jamie is just a big ole FameWhore like others have mentioned. Doesn't she want to be a TV Host? WTF does that mean? It reminds me of the "Spokesperson" category on Star Search.

Reminded me of when George Costanza thought he could be "one of those color guys on sports" when he was out of a job with no prospects. She really is a piece of work.

[queenanne]

What doesn't make sense to me is that supposedly Jamie is looking for the fairytale and her reality is skewed by her messed up childhood. So why hasn't she snagged a handsome, successful and wealthy doctor? Wouldn't you think this would be the pool she would most likely swim in?

 

I haven't specifically asked my friend in the NYC medical field lately, but once when a girlfriend was asking if they didn't have any nice male residents they could set us up with, the response was "no, because overwhelmingly they have already paired up by the time they graduate med school, with the female residents."

[leisawoo]

I think maybe Monet's and Vaugina's gifts might have been a secret joke between them. You know, cuz they're both watching the proverbial, maybe actual, clock till this experiment from hell is over.

[Veruca Assault]

I merged the separate thread created about the "Romantic Gifts" as it was specific to this episode. 

[aradia22]

 

I think maybe Monet's and Vaugina's gifts might have been a secret joke between them. You know, cuz they're both watching the proverbial, maybe actual, clock till this experiment from hell is over.

That reminds me, even their personal gifts were negative. People said they felt impersonal but they way they described it felt very personal. It was another passive aggressive move. Vaughn got her a watch because she's always late and Monet got him a watch because he's always bothering her about it. So they got gifts to represent one of the many fights they have. Love!

[ChristmasJones]

In terms of why Doug appears to want to marry Jaime - he is not different from many men - for whom looks trump many other qualities. Additionally, some men like bitchy women. Doug strikes me as a very secure/confident person. I think he might find a bitchy woman exciting and he likes it.

Edited September 5, 2014 by ChristmasJones

[ketose]

I think Jamie has some good qualities. She has a pretty good sense of humor and she seems to have a dry wit when she banters with Doug. Despite the editing monkeys, I think she doesn't cry every day as we see in the show. Even though I've been pretty positive on her, I think Jamie did the nurse thing before she discovered reality TV and if she can get a steady paycheck, nursing will be a thing of the past. She's definitely going to stick with Doug until the FYI publicity (the reunion show, et al.) is finished.

[Duke2801]

I am pretty quiet, but my bffs are just like Monet. I just like being around bubbly, social women even if that's not my personality and I like Monet's personality as a result

 

 

Ha ha, I was just about to say almost the SAME thing.  I am a type B, laid-back "introvert" on the Meyers-Briggs scale, but just about all of my closest friends are super-outgoing, extrovert types. I guess I seek that type out because it helps to "balance" me or something?  Not sure.  But in any case, I really like Monet too, and I guess this might be part of the reason why. 

 

My prediction is that Monet and Vaugh will get divorced, Doug and Jamie will stay married (at least for the time being)---and Jason and C are a total wild-card!  My gut instinct is that they will stay together, and the editing monkeys are just making it look like Jason is so super-hesitant.  But who knows for sure!

 

In terms of why Doug appears to want to marry Jaime - he is not different from many men - for whom looks trump many other qualities. Additionally, some men like bitchy women. Doug strikes me as a very secure/confident person. I think he might find a bitchy woman exciting and he likes it.

 

 

Hammer, meet nail.  I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt that Doug would be so enamored with her if she were just an average, maybe slightly-overweight girl.  Her personality is kind of lame. 

Edited September 5, 2014 by Duke2801

[MissScarlett]

I think that's why I care about Monet - I identify with her.  I am the bubbly, talkative woman who's been hurt when her partner responds by acting irritated when I'm at my happiest.  I've been in the predicament she's in - with a man who said he wanted bubbly, talkative and social because those are the things he isn't and then when he finds himself with such a woman, he freaks out and is turned off.  Opposites often attract but it's the commonalities that keep you together.

 

I don't think either Monet or Vaughn want what they think they want and I saw Monet reaching that realization last night.  It's fine to say "I'm not bubbly so I want a bubbly woman".  No, you don't.  You think you do because they look fun to be around but if you're a person who values peace and quiet, a bubbly woman is gonna chap your ass.  You can say you want a "traditional marriage".  No, you don't.  A "traditional marriage" is one in which your husband is going to expect to come home to a hot meal even on the days that you don't feel like cooking.  They need to be very honest with themselves about the characteristics in a partner that will mesh with their own personalities.  She's too headstrong for anything "traditional" and he's too quiet (and IMO, uptight) for anything bubbly and social.

THIS!

 

It's funny, when Monet and Vaughn were in that session with Dr. C, you could totally see the light bulb come on in Monet's brain.  I think being with Vaughn gave her some awesome clarity on what she WANTS and does NOT WANT in a marriage.  With that said, I think it's crystal clear that she doesn't want him.  Her body language closes off to him more and more each week.

 

I get the feeling that Vaughn is still waiting for this magical moment when Monet finally "gets it" and "gets him".  Monet is not who Vaughn wants either and it has nothing to do with her body type -- at least in my opinion.  I think physical attraction is the ONLY thing this couple has.  Though I will say that I doubt they've been having sex during the second half of this experiment.  I think 2 weeks in, they both knew it wasn't meant to be.

 

Whenever Monet or Vaughn mentions "turning a page", "starting a new chapter", or "fresh start" I feel exhausted for them.  Because it seems that they say these things in one moment and the next moment we see them in a conversation that starts out well enough but by the end, each person has taken their turn lobbing passive-aggressive comments at the other.

 

This couple is a perfect example of when something looks great on paper but doesn't hold up in real life.  I love Monet and Vaughn as individuals.  I became very invested in them during the first couple of introductory episodes.  However, as a couple, I can't stand them.

 

I will be shocked if they choose to stay together.

[PityFree]

It still floors me that all of the "sophisticated " tests that the contestants were given could not figure out that Monet didn't really didn't want a traditional relationship and that Vaughn didn't really want a bubbly wife. Those concepts don't seem that hidden - even when Vaughn and Monet just talk about what they want. Also, most valid, reliable tests of personality/temperament/etc. have lie scales. Why didn't their "CIA tests" go deep enough to figure this out?*

 

*It's because the experts really, really wanted to pair the two black people no matter what.

[MissScarlett]

It still floors me that all of the "sophisticated " tests that the contestants were given could not figure out that Monet didn't really didn't want a traditional relationship and that Vaughn didn't really want a bubbly wife. Those concepts don't seem that hidden - even when Vaughn and Monet just talk about what they want. Also, most valid, reliable tests of personality/temperament/etc. have lie scales. Why didn't their "CIA tests" go deep enough to figure this out?*

 

*It's because the experts really, really wanted to pair the two black people no matter what.

 

I know, right!!  Before we knew how they matched the couples, I thought that Vaughn would end up with Courtney because Courtney seemed most "traditional" at the time.

 

Sometimes I think there is a vast difference between what people "say" they want and what they actually want.  You would think that those tests or hell, even the so-called "experts" would have been able to determine that.

 

I think Doug and Jamie are actually good for one another.  Doug is so patient with Jamie and she needs that.  Doug needs a motivator.  His mom (who loves him dearly) is not a motivator.  She's an enabler.  

 

I am glad that Jamie got a crappy 1-month-wedding gift from Doug.  Especially after the comment she made about saving the special things for someone she loves.  Clearly Doug is not in that category ... yet.

 

I think Courtney and Jason will make it.  Those crazy kids are way too cute together.  Jason is struggling with a lot of things right now.  His mom's cancer is huge.  If he hadn't been treated very well in past relationships, I can see where being vulnerable with Courtney would be a very scary thing.  When his mom dies, he will be in a very very vulnerable state of mind.  I said it before and i'll say it again, while I do think Jason was "open" to the idea of finding someone to spend the rest of his life with in this way -- I don't think he expected someone like Courtney to come into his life from this AND I think he figured that if he was not matched up with someone he genuinely saw a future with, it would be no-biggie.  He could walk away and get 15 minutes of fame to boost his entertainment career.

 

Oh and the fire academy is a big thing.  I don't know if he mentioned that at all though. ;)

Edited September 5, 2014 by MissScarlett

[Ohwell]

Sometimes I think there is a vast difference between what people "say" they want and what they actually want.

Which is why, personally, I would never go on an online dating site (not knocking anyone who does).  I'm a woman past a certain age but even now, I wouldn't know what I really wanted until I met the guy face to face and got to know him.  

[bourbon]

 

I think Doug and Jamie are actually good for one another.  Doug is so patient with Jamie and she needs that.  Doug needs a motivator.  His mom (who loves him dearly) is not a motivator.  She's an enabler.

 

I agree about mom and I'd agree about Jamie being good for Doug if Jamie's "motivation" weren't so negative.  She seems to motivate by fear and humiliation rather than encouragement.  Doug's a mama's boy.  Moving home when the economy tanked was understandable but didn't do much to help him cut the apron strings and figure out what he wanted to do in life.  Jamie's motivational style isn't, "Hey, you're a capable guy. Let's figure this out together. I know you can succeed when you put your mind to it,"  It's, "You're an immature schmuck.  I can't be with an immature schmuck."  If he wants to really throw himself into a career and be a self-made man, he should do it for any variety of reasons...because he wants to prove himself, he wants to show he can be a good provider, not because he's afraid his hot wife will call him names.  Jamie seems to want a whipping boy rather than a self-actualized man for a spouse.  

[aradia22]

 

Which is why, personally, I would never go on an online dating site (not knocking anyone who does).  I'm a woman past a certain age but even now, I wouldn't know what I really wanted until I met the guy face to face and got to know him.

Not all sites try to match you up. I just think of it as a way of meeting people who are also looking for a relationship. I'd rather meet someone in person than trust an algorithm based on my "preferences" to choose someone for me. Again, I highly doubt these contestants exhausted all options.

[Ohwell]

I don't know if all sites try to match you up, but that wasn't what I was getting at.  Actually, you're saying what I'm saying--that online is a way of meeting people who are also looking for a relationship--and what I said was that I wouldn't look for a relationship in that way.

[Hypatia70]

AArgh!  My comment disappeared before I was finished typing, sorry.  I'll start over

 

I don't think Jamie has any intention of staying married to Doug.  I think she checked out on first sight at the wedding, and has been playing the role ever since.  I think she's just staying in to get as much face time on television as possible.  All this hoopla about her past and not trusting are only excuses to keep him at arms length and avoid getting in any deeper.  She doesn't think he's up to her requirements in both looks and accomplishments.   Other than his skin bumbs which I wish he'd get removed, he's a nice looking guy with a great personality.  However I think husband material at least has a career, and is better established by that age.  Jamie will stay on board as long as the cameras are running one way or another.  Who knows?   I just wish Doug would stand up and step back and let her come to him. She might respect him more.   Looks and money - not good enough for her. She will move on eventually.  

 

I expect Monet and Vaughn to split, too.   Courtney and Jason have a good chance, if only he would realize what a catch he has.  I hope they stay together, forever.

[62GREAT]

I have a question for everyone. If Jason decides on divorce but wants to date so they can take slow, do you think Cortney should go along with this and date Jason?

Personally I think no. Jason has said he has a hard time committing due to past bad relationships. Plus he keeps throwing out all these so called problems for their relationship like the Fire Academy, his schedule etc. It would be like starting all over and Cortney could be hurt again when Jason still won't commit.

Like I said in previous posts, if he was serious about committing to someone or is to afraid he shouldn't have done the experiment. We don't know when his Mom was diagnosed but he always knew about the Fire Academy.

[Sunnyside]

 

I have a question for everyone. If Jason decides on divorce but wants to date so they can take slow, do you think Cortney should go along with this and date Jason?

No, I think Cortney should move on, if Jason wants to divorce and just date.  If that's the case, he's had his chance with her, heck he's had the whole 9 yards with her.  If he can't commit, and is finding all the reasons in the world not to stick it out, then Cortney should move on and Jason can count his losses.  As it looks now (from a viewer's perspective and all) Cortney would be taking the biggest risk by pouring all her energy into his issues and restraints.  Seems her good will to be the helper could lead to a danger zone and burn-out for her.  She'll regret one day all the time she poured patience, understanding, support and attention to his needs, and will he have at least made strides to be a part of her family and bridge her existence with him mom?  Too many issues....RUN Cortney.

 

With that said, I do hope these two make it.  They are adorable on camera and they seem to have provided the hopeless romance ingredients we viewers were hoping to see out of this.  If Cortney runs, I hope Jason isn't far behind catching up with her for keeps.

[62GREAT]

Thanks for responding Sunny. I was wondering if it was just me bing negative.

I also love seeing romance and really want them to work and last. But honestly, the last couple of episodes have me doubting Jason and starting to not like him as much. It also makes wonder if there were sides of Cortney that he seen but the editors didn't show us.

Others have mentioned how intuitive Doug has been in regards to Jamie, so I'm wondering if he figured out before they had to make their decisions that she just wasn't into him enough to stay married. I also wonder if he ever got tired of hearing about her past and that being reason she has been putting him off and uses it as an excuse or justification for her behavior.

Monet & Vaugh. I think it's to late to try and convince viewers that they even like each other.

[Sunnyside]

It never looked good for Monet and Vaughn after the honeymoon. One thing I can give them is the prize for having courage to speak their minds. I just think one ugly comment turned into another and no matter what page they turned to, hurt, anger, and pride was right there saying "what's up?"

I can't believe for one minute they scored the most in common. If so, we see now how this all showed them what they thought they wanted just looked good on paper, like others have said.

[NoWhammies]

Maybe Monet and Vaughn have a lot in common on paper because they're both entitled assholes. In my opinion, that's the reason the experts think their personality profiles are such a match, but let's be honest. Who wants to be married to an asshole?

Edited September 6, 2014 by NoWhammies

[Jellybeans]

I loved Doug's gift to Jamie. I am all about gifts that make "memories" rather than something tangible. I am sure they will make it for Jamie said she had "baby fever" really bad. Courtney and Jason will make it too. Money and Vaughn exhaust me.

[Ohwell]

"I want and wish all the best for you. You are a great guy with a bright future."

I don't want to appear nitpicky but, seriously, who says stuff  like that to a grown man?  "A bright future" sounds like she's talking to a young guy who just graduated from high school, or college.  Maybe it's because Monet is a couple of years older than Vaughn, but I always thought she had a rather condescending attitude towards him.  It's as if she thinks she's made it in her life and career, and Vaughn is just this newbie who's not there yet and has a ways to go.   Well, Monet, if your shit is so much together, then why did you have to go on a reality show to find a man?

[ridethemaverick]

That seemed like a compliment to me, although the "great guy" thing is a stretch imo. He seems like the type to have a good work ethic and lots of discipline so I can see why she'd say he has a bright future.

[Grneyedldy]

That seemed like a compliment to me, although the "great guy" thing is a stretch imo. He seems like the type to have a good work ethic and lots of discipline so I can see why she'd say he has a bright future.

To me it sounded like she couldn't think of anything nice to write and that was the best she could come up with.

[Jellybeans]

Courtney said she would not date Jason. It was marriage or divorce.

[zxy556575]

I can't believe for one minute they scored the most in common. If so, we see now how this all showed them what they thought they wanted just looked good on paper, like others have said.

 

Or else the social sciences are largely hokum, to quote Sheldon Cooper.

[absolutelyido]

Oh and the fire academy is a big thing.  I don't know if he mentioned that at all though. ;)

 

What fire academy? This is the first I am hearing of this! Next your going to tell me that Jamie had a difficult childhood, which would be news to me. ;-)

[ethalfrida]

You probably missed Doug lying and smoking too. 

[absolutelyido]

You probably missed Doug lying and smoking too.

 

You guys are blowing my mind! How did I miss these small details? They must have really glossed over these things.

[Soobs]

Jamie's an idiot if she dumps Doug. She won't find a better guy who worships her the way she is, crappy personality and all. She also needs to give it a rest with those fake eyelashes. She probably thinks it looks glamorous but it actually looks like there are giant spiders crawling down her face.

[Ohwell]

You also probably missed that Vaughn's and Monet's sexual chemistry is off the charts!

[Jellybeans]

I don't think Jamie has a crappy personality. She has lots of hobbies, friends and interests, and a great career to boot. And she can dance!

She is very insecure though. I think that's ok. I have plenty of issues of my own ready to unleash upon the world lol.

[sleekandchic]

I noticed this episode that Monet more than ever is now doubting herself and her wish for a traditional marriage. Before she gives up on that idea, I hope she takes a deep breath and realizes that it is Vaughn's attitudes that are making her doubt herself. And, it's my opinion, that allowing Vaughn to shape where she goes next would be a huge mistake.

To me, V and M BOTH do want a traditional marriage, but their definitions are REALLY different:

Monet wants modern traditional: monogamy; emotional support: deep love and spiritual connection; a willingness to try someone else's interests; a best friend in good times and bad.

Vaughn wants Neanderthal traditional: sex when, where, how and with whom he wants it; silence until he feels the need to speak or be spoken to; a deep love and spiritual connection proven by the wife cooking three meals a day; a best friend so attuned to HIS every need and interest, there's no reason for him to be concerned with her needs or her interests, at all.

I didn't think guys like Vaughn existed anymore. To me, his expectations are ridiculous. When I was still dating, I occasionally met up with the selfish, self-centered baby, but nobody like Vaughn. I think it's so interesting that he often refers to his parents marriage as his ideal. But his mother was widowed when he was only 13. He can't know for sure the true nature of her marriage. And though I have no doubt mama Vaughn has pampered and coddled V all his life, she's done that in her capacity of MOTHER, not WIFE. Vaughn is confused.

Also, it could be that, maybe, his mom has made domestic life seem effortless to Vaughn? But as a widowed, single mom she's worked hard and long to give him a good life. I doubt she was locking V in his room at night so she could roll around menage a troising with her bfs and gfs.

My parents are now married 32 years and my grands much longer than that. The women had careers AND large families, too. The men were equal partners and helpmates in everything. I witnessed their traditional marriages myself, and I guess Vaughn would be appalled at how involved and engaged husbands/paternals can really be. Real men don't expect to be babied.

Monet should trust her instincts.

Edited September 8, 2014 by sleekandchic