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I would love to see what these people are truly like when the cameras are not following them around. What is it like in the Joe and Melissa household, in particular? I really can't even imagine it, knowing how much we see of them on TV is total fabrication for the cameras. What is it really like in that house? The desperation must be breathtaking. And I'm sure the same could be said for several of the others. Now THAT would be fascinating TV, if it somehow could be captured.

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I'm confused.  When Frank piped up with "attorney-client" privilege - who's the client being protected and who's the attorney? 

Because if Frank was supposed to be the attorney who needed to stay quiet on Joe Gorga's behalf when Gorga was called in by the FBI to discuss Joe Guidice - Frank's been disbarred for years & can be no one's attorney, much less Joe Gorga's.

Or did this take place before Frank was disbarred? Time flies & I didn't watch during Tre's prison years.  Maybe the FBI called Gorga in while Frank was still in practice, not after he was disbarred.  Teresa & Melissa screeched so much over everyone, I got lost. (Or maybe tuned out for a bit to quiet my head or due to boredom with these twits.)

Also, I sensed Paulie was side-stepping a bit on the issue of marriage to Dolores.  Anyone else? Not divorced yet (after 14 years??) & speaking for Dolores, he said he wasn't in a hurry & neither was Dolores (or words to that effect.)  But I think he's dead wrong about Dolores - she's wants that ring - badly - and it better not be a claddaugh. She turned around to look at him when he said this - and not happily.

I'm sensing cold feet from Paulie. I think we're going to see, yet again, Dolores making excuses for not getting a ring & things dragging on for these two.  She's living with him so he's complacent & his current undissolved marriage protects him from taking the next step.  She'll either wait - and wait - or it won't end well.  Some people think Dolores is smart - but as to her relationships - not so much.  If they were both on the same page about it, no problem.  But I think she wants the commitment & he's stalling - or he'd get that divorce finalized.

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13 hours ago, Axie said:

I almost forgot-  Louie, we all know you’re a baked face weirdo and you wear Grandpa’s pjs. You didn’t misspeak.  

Right?!  And the more he stammered to explain, the weirder it got.  The shady editors caught everyone's expressions during that exchange too. 

4 hours ago, BluishGreen said:

 Louie  has FAR less credibility in this circumstance.  John Fuda was not permitted within the confines of the show to bring it all out.  I hope he does in some other fashion.  I mean, come on, in his attempt to win over Joe Gorga Louie said he slept in Nonno's pajamas to make "the girls feel safe" and when confronted with so many people finding that disgusting and creepy, Louie now says he made THAT up, too.  What the hell?  Only an idiot would believe Louie about anything.

Exactly.  And he got off way too easy after being caught.   And then the Bo Deitl security guard magically showing up?  The timing couldn't have been any better to really nail him and they just glazed over the whole thing.

Louie has brought nothing to this show except weirdness and an even more insufferable Teresa.  NJ was never my favorite franchise but those seasons with the drunk husbands and their shenanigans used to amuse me.  I wanted them to hook up with the Married to Medicine husbands and really amp up the foolishness.  Louie seems incapable of bringing that kind of light-hearted silliness to the mix.  

 

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Looney and Tree are the perfect narcissist couple. She is the perpetual victim and he is her savior. The "us against the world" narrative is a great way to isolate and control, and dumb as a Tree believes this is what true love looks like. 

I get Mel's smirk. This is how I started to react to my narc ex toward the end...when I could so easily spot his lies, gas lighting, deflection and contant repeating of the person he thinks (and wants others to think) he is...I knew it was a waste of breath to point out facts or reason so I resorted to smirking, shaking my head and rolling my eyes at his ridiculousness. It didn't end well! Narcs are visious when you got thier number!

Not mad at Delo for shutting down the Lil Frankie stuff. It's a smart move professionally to avoid the dirt path. It's cheaper, and easier to control the purse strings, for Paulie to stay married...and that is very revealing of his true nature. I don't care to see her wait around on another one....and an engagement ring don't mean shit when divorce proceedings haven't even begun.

I swear Johnny "no chin" Fuda uses that powder crap Tarzan used in his hair on the sides of his face. The I'm connected line..please, to what? Face club for men?

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14 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Also, Fuda can show any envelopes he wants, but we didn't see what was in the envelope

Then Louie should have immediately said to show us what's in the envelope. If Fuda was lying that would have shut him down right there. Of course Louie didn't say that, though. 

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5 hours ago, BluishGreen said:

How anyone could call John Fuda creepy with Louie in the room is beyond me

I felt the thread was already full of Louie bashing and my piling on would be redundant.  I wanted to insert a few different opinions.

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8 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Melissa admitted she didn't invite Teresa to go out with her and Joe when she was single because they do it with couples only, as if everybody does this.

Yeah, the same way Tre didn't invite Dolores to her engagement dinner because she was single at the time and Tre only invited couples. These people are nuts!

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4 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I found out about the prisoner locator when the CFO of a company I worked for got caught stealing 2.5 million dollars from the company, stood trial, sentenced to 23 years, all but 7 years were suspended, we all wanted to know where she was, we found her and when she was released and then found out she was sent to a halfway house before being released from the state. Not confidential at all.

You are right. I had a similar experience. My boss embezzled over $2M. I was able to locate where he was on the prison locator website. I even down!loaded the prisoners handbook in order to see what life was like for him.

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1 hour ago, hottesthw said:

Melissa saying at the end she would follow with whatever the family wanted to do. And Joe saying he’d always be there for his sister because he loves her so much. It’s all so laughable. Why not just come out and say “look Andy, we know this show has destroyed our family and we hate her as much as she hates us, BUT if you want us back next season, we’ll be here with bells (and hoods) on”. The Gorgas are straight up pathetic. That they don’t see that any of this would have happened if they had stayed in their lane and let Teresa do her thing with her friends on her show, none of us would have  been subjected to this BS all these years. They apparently hated each other since day one, so why would they have even wanted to be on a show with her? Go out and get your own show. 

It's the Gorgas who have been pushing the family feud.  It's their meal ticket.  But with Teresa married, they see the show moving in a different direction.  It's why the "uproar" over Melissa not being a bridesmaid, her family not invited.  And they used the rumor about Melissa's affair to their advantage.  They got more media attention by not going to the wedding.

If BRAVO thought The Gorgas could float their own show, that would have happened years ago.  

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12 hours ago, Axie said:

Seems like a nice, stable guy.

He probably met Louis at that  roid raged manly men retreat that Louis was on in that video. You know, grown men going all Lord of the Flies. 

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10 hours ago, renatae said:

I didn't appreciate Melissa's sly, smug smile at various points when Teresa was upset. She looked Iike the cat who caught the canary.

This was exhausting. I don't enjoy all the fighting.

I actually was loving Melissa’s laughing at Theresa’s nasty rants. I liked Teresa back in the early days but she’s become unwatchable for me. 
I agree that this reunion was exhausting. I think this show needs to end. 

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15 hours ago, bencr said:

I think Teresa really believes her lies which makes arguing with her both fruitless and exasperating. From a viewer's point of view, Teresa comes across as pure emotion with no logic or ability to persuade. I don't enjoy watching her, and I don't care what she has to say.

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2 hours ago, hottesthw said:

Melissa saying at the end she would follow with whatever the family wanted to do. And Joe saying he’d always be there for his sister because he loves her so much. It’s all so laughable. Why not just come out and say “look Andy, we know this show has destroyed our family and we hate her as much as she hates us, BUT if you want us back next season, we’ll be here with bells (and hoods) on”. The Gorgas are straight up pathetic. That they don’t see that any of this would have happened if they had stayed in their lane and let Teresa do her thing with her friends on her show, none of us would have  been subjected to this BS all these years. They apparently hated each other since day one, so why would they have even wanted to be on a show with her? Go out and get your own show. 

Well, according to both women ... they both got along with each other very well in the very beginning.  They had fun together when M was dating Joe, etc.  But something happened with the family AFTER J & M got married.  Bad vibes.  And then J & M coming ONTO the show was the straw that broke the camel's back. They had their moments of reconciliation over the years, but the hurt was always there and, apparently, the hatred; mostly from Teresa, I'd say. 

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45 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

You are right. I had a similar experience. My boss embezzled over $2M. I was able to locate where he was on the prison locator website. I even down!loaded the prisoners handbook in order to see what life was like for him.

Crazy how someone needed a PI to find that stuff out in a world where "Google," is a verb, a noun, etc...Dumb and Dumber really needed a PI to look on line to find dirt on the people they work with on camera. All the dirt is out there, have they never seen social media or stumbled upon Reddit?

If you had not used "He," in your post I would have asked you if you had ever worked for a dental consulting firm in Owings Mills, MD!

6 minutes ago, filmfan2480 said:

Well, according to both women ... they both got along with each other very well in the very beginning.  They had fun together when M was dating Joe, etc.  But something happened with the family AFTER J & M got married.  Bad vibes.  And then J & M coming ONTO the show was the straw that broke the camel's back. They had their moments of reconciliation over the years, but the hurt was always there and, apparently, the hatred; mostly from Teresa, I'd say. 

Well Melissa did set a wedding date (probably months in advance, maybe a year), while Teresa was pregnant, if that is not a passive, hostile act I do not know what is! LOL.

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Louie is honestly the creepiest dude I’ve watched on a RH.  One minute with the veiled threats, then the next minute, the oily, obsequious ’I think you’re a wonderful mother’ stuff.  And when he said to Andy, maybe Gia said to Joe that he could do better, but it was the wedding, not Melissa, that rang false.  Either she said it or she didn’t, and she didn’t offer an explanation like that.  I think he just lies like he breathes  

 

And, who knew, John Fuda would come off the best to me.  When he said why would they even start a business without documentation, I was like, yes!  If Louie is this great businessman, why would he start investing money in a business without any clear agreement.  Especially knowing what a shifty businessman, Joe Gorga is.  I also liked that he refused to shake hands with Louie, without an apology.

 

I don’t watch WWHL, it’s not on TV in Canada for some weird reason, but I just saw a clip of John Hamm.  He watches the show and he supports the Gorgas.  Yeah!  (Also did a hilarious impression of James Kennedy from Vanderpump Rules 🤣)

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I was waiting for someone to ask Joe Gotta if his lawyer Frank embezzled any money from him. I just love how Frank shows no embarrassment whatsoever over being a disbarred lawyer. What a guy.

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15 hours ago, ZettaK said:

They all lie(d), and far more than Louie during the years. Why would you believe the rest?

As for adopting Jaiden, he is at least 17 now (he was just adopted), and practically out of the house, and a legal adult in months. Why didn't Rachel do it earlier? She is married to John since 2017. 

Loooie is mental.  He says things .. the next day retracts them.  Teresa is dumb as a box of rocks.  As long as he keeps kissing her, she believes everything he says.  I believe he tried to latch on the other housewife from Miami, but then chose Teresa for some reason.  She’s just another one of his victims.  She also loves sex which he provides plenty.  What a pair.

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1 hour ago, blixie said:

The show belongs to Bravo not Theresa.

Melissa and Joe have been dealing with this bullshit since they day they got married, you admit they hated each other day one, there is zero reason not to make money off it while they have deal with her. If I was asked to deal with my hateful bitch SIL for no money or deal with her and get paid for it I'd for sure opt for #2. 

Having said that I think M/J thought that in the end Bravo would choose them over T, if things came to a head this year especially with psycho Luis on the table, because as someone else said Melissa has better relationships with the whole cast even Theresa's buttmonkeys Jen/Danielle. I still say Bravo is waiting this out and hoping that the siblings make up and can co-exist rather than having to fire one the other or both, even though both would be best.

Someone on twitter nailed it: the list of people Theresa drove away both on the show and off is long: the Wakiles and Rosy, Manzos, Lauritas, Dina, Jackie and if she gets her way again the Gorgas and Margaret, and the Fudas. Please just admit they aren't all the assholes, SHE is the asshole. Spin her and her bright red rage monkey onto their own show so I can enjoy a whole cast of women not burdened with her idiocy and grudges.

I'm no Teresa apologist, but, she didn't really drive away all those people.  Dina left because of Danielle Staub, understandably.  When Danielle was out of the picture, Dina came back for another season, but then she had to deal with that stupid asshole, Jim Marchese, and his even stupider wife, Amber.

Caroline and Teresa had their differences and Teresa was very cruel to Caroline, but I think Caroline left mainly because she had gotten her own Bravo show - Manzo'd with Children.  If that show didn't happen, I think that Caroline may have stuck it out for a few more seasons, but I doubt she would have been in it for the long haul.  Caroline doesn't back down from a fight, but she also doesn't tolerate stupid bullshit and that was what the show was becoming.  

It did appear that Jacqueline left because of Teresa (not showing up to that one reunion - big blow up fight the next season), but again, I think she and Chris basically left because they were bankrupt, he lost his business and they were losing their NJ home to foreclosure.  Interestingly (and sadly), Chris and Jac no longer speak to Caroline and Dina, I believe.  So, while the Gorga/Guidice/Ruelas family breakdown is happening in front of our eyes, the Laurita/Manzo family breakdown happened off-scree and seems much worse.  I wonder if the show had anything at all to do with that.

ETA:  I know the Caroline and Dina don't speak because of Caroline defending Tommy with that whole situation, but I just wonder about why none of them speak to each other anymore.

I think that the Wakile's were not asked back because they were basically boring, and the only thing going for them was also perpetuating the "family feud" thing.  The only good thing about the Wakile's was Rosie, who actually made peace with Teresa and got along quite well with Joe Guidice.

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2 hours ago, filmfan2480 said:

Well, according to both women ... they both got along with each other very well in the very beginning.  They had fun together when M was dating Joe, etc.  But something happened with the family AFTER J & M got married.  Bad vibes.  And then J & M coming ONTO the show was the straw that broke the camel's back. They had their moments of reconciliation over the years, but the hurt was always there and, apparently, the hatred; mostly from Teresa, I'd say. 

I've said this before - basically, Melissa and Teresa are the same exact person, deep inside.  They are both envious of others and want to be the center of ALL the attention, all the time.  The only difference is that Melissa is better at hiding this and playing "nice" on camera.  Teresa is the epitome of "no filter".

Teresa was fine with Melissa until she married Teresa's brother.  Then, Teresa's brother had to focus attention on his own wife and family, rather than showering attention on Teresa (Teresa was obviously not getting all the attention she craved or needed from her own husband).  Teresa didn't like that and resented Melissa and Joe because of it.

Melissa also was used to being the "baby" in her family, getting a lot of attention - her sisters are several years older than her - she was spoiled by her Dad, when he was around, and liked to draw attention to herself.  She's admitted that.  Coming into another family where the attention was NOT on her was not easy.  It's been shown that Nonno and Nonna didn't like her and preferred their own daughter's company (and cookies).

Now comes the show.  Teresa gets on this show and becomes a so-called celebrity.  Even family party scene involving the Guidice's and Gorga's, Melissa is shown preening and prancing in the background, trying to get camera time.  I'm convinced the Gorga's (Melissa, specifically) went behind Tre's back to get on the show, regardless of Andy says.  Other producers of the show have confirmed this.  Teresa views this as just another way of Melissa drawing attention away from Tre and onto Melissa, so more resentment.  They became popular, so Tre's resentment grew even more.

Melissa is envious of Tre's popularity and pseudo-celebrity.  Tre is now envious of Meilissa' popularity and pseudo-celebrity.  That envy eats away at Tre day after day after day.  Melissa's envy of Teresa does the same.  I think they thought that when Tre went to jail, they would become the "stars" of the show and Bravo would forget about Tre.  That didn't happen.  She came back and became more popular than ever.  So, that eats away and Melissa, and to a degree, Joe.  

Teresa needs to let all the old resentments go, Melissa needs to not want to be Queen Bee all the time.  As far as I can see, that is the only way they can get through this.  Louie doesn't help the situation and neither does Joe.  

 

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1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

Loooie is mental.  He says things .. the next day retracts them.  Teresa is dumb as a box of rocks.  As long as he keeps kissing her, she believes everything he says.  I believe he tried to latch on the other housewife from Miami, but then chose Teresa for some reason.  She’s just another one of his victims.  She also loves sex which he provides plenty.  What a pair.

I think that Louie suffers from a lot of low self-esteem.  My husband has a friend like Louie - he's always making stupid, untrue comments either because he wants people to think of him differently, or because he needs to puff himself up to people.  He's been this way his whole life.  Occasionally, someone will call him out on a blatant lie or fabrication and then, he backtracks or says he mis-spoke.  Underneath all of that puffery and bullshit, he is actually a kind guy who would do anything for you - it's just getting past all that.  Sometimes, I cannot stand him, but we don't see him often, so it's not so bad.  It's so obvious that the self-esteem is not there.

I think that's Louie's problem.  He's always trying to prove he's bigger, better, more well connected, or just "more than" the next guy.  He takes it too far too often, though.  I also think this low self-esteem issue is what caused him to be controlling in his previous relationships (and possibly this one, too).  He feels more powerful or smarter than his previous wife/partners, so that feeds his self-esteem and ego.

I am honestly nervous for Teresa because even as bad as she can be, she doesn't deserve the kind of hurt that I see possibly coming in the future to her.  Actually, no one does.  She seems so in love with Louie, it's kind of scary.

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4 hours ago, realityplease said:

I'm confused.  When Frank piped up with "attorney-client" privilege - who's the client being protected and who's the attorney? 

Because if Frank was supposed to be the attorney who needed to stay quiet on Joe Gorga's behalf when Gorga was called in by the FBI to discuss Joe Guidice - Frank's been disbarred for years & can be no one's attorney, much less Joe Gorga's.

Or did this take place before Frank was disbarred? Time flies & I didn't watch during Tre's prison years.  Maybe the FBI called Gorga in while Frank was still in practice, not after he was disbarred.  Teresa & Melissa screeched so much over everyone, I got lost. (Or maybe tuned out for a bit to quiet my head or due to boredom with these twits.)

Also, I sensed Paulie was side-stepping a bit on the issue of marriage to Dolores.  Anyone else? Not divorced yet (after 14 years??) & speaking for Dolores, he said he wasn't in a hurry & neither was Dolores (or words to that effect.)  But I think he's dead wrong about Dolores - she's wants that ring - badly - and it better not be a claddaugh. She turned around to look at him when he said this - and not happily.

I'm sensing cold feet from Paulie. I think we're going to see, yet again, Dolores making excuses for not getting a ring & things dragging on for these two.  She's living with him so he's complacent & his current undissolved marriage protects him from taking the next step.  She'll either wait - and wait - or it won't end well.  Some people think Dolores is smart - but as to her relationships - not so much.  If they were both on the same page about it, no problem.  But I think she wants the commitment & he's stalling - or he'd get that divorce finalized.

Frank Catania was a real estate attorney (handling mostly home sales and closings here in NJ).  He was disbarred in August, 2017 with an effective date of November, 2017.  He was disbarred for mismanaging money in clients' real estate escrow accounts (basically, I think he embezzled funds from these accounts for his own use).

Teresa entered jail in January of 2015, so it is possible that Frank probably handled some real estate transactions for Joe Gorga during the time before her incarceration, especially given that Joe Gorga was/is a supposed home developer/builder.

I can't imagine in what world a lawyer with a real estate specialty or background would correctly advise a client on a possible FBI investigation, but, we're talking about people who are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp here.  I guess it's possible that Joe Gorga may have asked Frank, in a friend-to-friend conversation about it, but Frank, Sr., should have referred Joe Gorga to an attorney with that type of expertise.  I think there was no real attorney/client privelege there - Frank said that just to sound important.

So, the timeline fits, but I think there is more (or possibly, less) to this story than Frank and Joe Gorga revealed.

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19 hours ago, CSunshine76 said:

They need to put this show out to pasture. It’s the same old tired arguments. It’s not even entertaining, it’s exhausting.

Right? Personally I think the Housewives shows are tired and boring...when they first came out they were entertaining. Now they are just bitch fights, rumor mongering and business branding competition with each other. Time to put all of these Housewives shows to bed...Andy looks like he's done with them too...especially this franchise.

19 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

How does Louie know what GIa said to Joe and what she meant in the alleged phone call?

We need Bo Dietl to investigate this.

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4 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Then Louie should have immediately said to show us what's in the envelope. If Fuda was lying that would have shut him down right there. Of course Louie didn't say that, though. 

I could be wrong, but somewhere amidst all the fighting and yelling, I thought I heard Louie ask John Fuda to show him proof (allegedly what was in the envelope).  I think Teresa was also yelling "Show us proof".  John Fuda never once made a motion to open the envelope or take out the paperwork inside.

Didn't Rachel say that a "very reliable source", or something to that effect, is who told them that Louie investigated Jaiden's mom to locate her in jail?  So, they all get their information and "arsenals" from some anonymous, "reliable" sources??  What makes them any better than Louie at doing their own investigations and research on each other - at least he named a supposed source of getting info.

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5 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

I would love to see what these people are truly like when the cameras are not following them around. What is it like in the Joe and Melissa household, in particular? I really can't even imagine it, knowing how much we see of them on TV is total fabrication for the cameras. What is it really like in that house? The desperation must be breathtaking. And I'm sure the same could be said for several of the others. Now THAT would be fascinating TV, if it somehow could be captured.

And, that would be ACTUAL "Reality TV".  I would almost pay to watch that.  

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1 hour ago, Mr. Miner said:

I think Gia flat out lied and who cares if Nona or Nana or whatever the hell was looking down on them. He seemed like a major asshole just like his dorter.

I agree...this was rehearsed and planned out. I was very surprised to see Teresa whip out her phone. I thought cellphones were verboten on stage or at least had to be turned off. In the past Andy has gotten angry if a Housewife has their phone on and barked at them to to turn them off. 

Frankly, Teresa screaming out how Joe was a disgrace was really laughable...she had just been lobbing vulgar and hate filled language at Joe and Melissa...what a potty mouth. I'm sure her dead parents would have been very proud of their trashy ass daughter calling their daughter in law and son the disgusting things she did on national TV. 

 

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10 hours ago, BluishGreen said:

How anyone could call John Fuda creepy with Louie in the room is beyond me.  Louie gives off Charlie Manson vibes with the way he controls Theresa and all of his vague threats, like "your time with come"  and 'you are going to regret this" etc.  etc.  I think he is a snake,  preying on Theresa and John Fuda is a actual human being.

The threats, oh the threats. How is that ok and why wasn’t he called out on it? Andy or someone at Bravo needs to wake up and see how dangerous this asshole is. 

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4 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

The threats, oh the threats. How is that ok and why wasn’t he called out on it? Andy or someone at Bravo needs to wake up and see how dangerous this asshole is. 

“Let’s Play” was my favorite.  He comes off like he’s threatening.  Everyone should be very scared.

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18 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

“Let’s Play” was my favorite.  He comes off like he’s threatening.  Everyone should be very scared.

Yeah…Mr. Tough Guy. He looks like the kind of guy that would get his ass kicked and then say he beat the other guy’s ass. He’s all talk and bravado…except when it comes to beating up on his on ex fiancée.

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I don't believe the truce and promise to try and get along that some them proclaimed at the very end. They just spent hours screaming and calling each other the nastiest names and throwing out accusations, but now they're gonna 'move forward' ? (I hate that phrase) Yeah, not buying it. 

The only thing about a Tre & Looney spin-off that would be remotely interesting would be waiting for the inevitable implosion. They'll burn out fast. Tre was looking for someone who treated her better than Juicy Joe, which - let's be honest, was a low bar - and she found it in Looney who's love bombing her. He'll get tired of constantly catering to her ego and total control over her will probably bore him once it's been achieved. I'm pretty sure Gia and her sisters have been sucked in just like their dim-witted mother. I hope Zia Joe & Aunt Melissa can forgive them once they emerge from being love bubble adjacent. 

Looney's attempt to walk-back the Nonno's PJs comment was a massive failure. Either you did wear his jammies or you lied about it. I always thought that statement was really odd. Why would the girls feel safe because he wore their dead grandpa's PJs?     

I didn't like Looney going over to Rachel and telling her she's a good mother. Dude, she doesn't need your approval. I'm not buying all the times he attempts to tongue bathe someone. It's so incredibly phony. I bet there's a lot of eye-rolling as soon as he walks away. 

Delores was not happy with Paulie's comments about marriage. She seems to be pushing hard for a ring. If he gives her one, it'll just be to shut her up and they'll be engaged forever. I don't get the obsession with being married - and I've been happily married for 43 years. No matter what Frank claims, he's still butt hurt about being replaced as the #1 man in Delores' life. In some ways, I don't blame him as it came across that he was used as the 'go to' guy until whenever she had a new boyfriend. If she wanted to set boundaries, that should've been done a couple of decades ago. They have had an unconventional divorce (they stayed good friends) and now she seems to want to toss that away. Hang in there, Frank because I don't think she & Paulie are going the distance and she'll eventually get fed up with being strung along and dump him ala David. 

Jennifer was such a non-entity in part three, that I have nothing to say about her - except I doubt everything is now wonderful in the Aydin house. Maybe she's not bitching at Bill so much and that's achieved a small measure of peace.  Bill seems to adhere to the 'cheaper to keep her' ideology. It's expensive to run two households. At least the pool house is on the same property and isn't costing him extra money and probably nicer than any bachelor pad he'd get in some sad apartment complex for divorced men. (See Niles in 'Fraiser' or Kirk Van Houten from 'The Simpsons'.)    

 

   

 

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I think that the biggest danger Teresa faces (in terms of her continued participation on the show) is that the producers clearly don't like it when one of the HW thinks she gets to call the shots on casting, etc. Teresa obviously thinks this show is "her" show, just like, for instance, Vicki thought OC was "her" show. And I think that the producers definitely don't like to empower that thinking. Certainly Andy was sending signals to her throughout the reunion that she may want to rethink her belief that she has any say re casting (beyond her own participation, of course). 

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16 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

I really don't like Louie.  I just needed to say that.  

I can’t see Loooie a part of this man group.  That goes for Paulie too.  Paulie has some class.  I doubt he would want to hang with them either just because he goes with Delores.

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11 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I think that the biggest danger Teresa faces (in terms of her continued participation on the show) is that the producers clearly don't like it when one of the HW thinks she gets to call the shots on casting, etc. Teresa obviously thinks this show is "her" show, just like, for instance, Vicki thought OC was "her" show. And I think that the producers definitely don't like to empower that thinking. Certainly Andy was sending signals to her throughout the reunion that she may want to rethink her belief that she has any say re casting (beyond her own participation, of course). 

I totally agree. I also think at least one person at Bravo views Louie as a huge liability and unstable.

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1 hour ago, Hedgehog2022 said:

Exactly...He dared to fall in love and marry someone that wasn't handpicked by Teresa. This is clearly an issue with Teresa since she has has said several times how Joe "left her" and last night how she and Joe were "best friends" until Melissa came along. Wow...No one, except one of Teresa's besties, would have been good enough for her. I believe she also poisoned her parents minds about Melissa...Nonno clearly had a bug up his ass about Melissa even though the times I saw her trying to interact with him she was kind to him and respectful. Teresa only wanted her kids and her husband to be the primary people in their lives.

I've tried over the years to have some compassion for Teresa...especially when she was facing incarceration and when her parents died. But time and time again she disappoints me with her reptilian responses to any kind of push back from the people she attacks with slurs and vulgarity. I am glad this show has been put on "pause"...it should just be terminated permanently. If it is brought back then fire this entire cast and recast it. 

Finally...I think Looney is a toxic influence on Teresa and is a toxic presence on this show. He lies, he deflects, he schmoozes people in order to bring them into the fold and then turns on them when they don't buy into his bullshit. He's very slick...notice the way he interacted with the Fuda's...after his nefarious prison stuff with Fuda's ex. He lied that he never did anything and when Fuda pushed back hard he got defensive and beligerent. Later he went up to Rachel Fuda and schmoozed her with a compliment on her adopting her stepson...classic sociopathic behavior. Teresa will never see this stuff for the dangerous behavior he exhibits...Bravo should have kicked him off the stage for having his own security brought in without getting permission from Bravo. What chutzpah!

Brief comment on Jen Aydin...what an ass kisser she is and apologist for Teresa. Good lord...and she thinks we forgot what rumor monger she is? She's Teresa's "bitch girl".

I've never minded Rachel, I think she's actually much more on the normal side than most of them. My opinion of John Fuda went up quite a bit after he stood  his ground and refused to play nice with Luis.

 

1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

“Let’s Play” was my favorite.  He comes off like he’s threatening.  Everyone should be very scared.

The way he says things like "let's play" make him sound like a serial killer.

 

22 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Wow, Dolores seemed to me to be lying about Frankie working with Luis and what happened. Luis looked so uncomfortable 

I think that Frankie found himself involved in something unethical or illegal while doing work for Luis. He told his parents, maybe told Joe Gorga or maybe Frank Sr. told Joe. In their world you don't go to the cops or anything, you just get out and keep your mouth shut. Dolores doesn't want Frankie implicated in anything shady, she doesn't want Luis going after him, she doesn't want to get into a major fight with Teresa. So she shut that conversation down.

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Louie was creepy. I don’t know why he complimented Rachel Fuda. She adopted an almost adult stepson for a storyline. It’s like why kiss the Fudas ass? The way he does it is not genuine. 
He had been nice to Margaret early in the season so when he said “ let’s play” I found it threatening. 
Bill Aydin is a gentleman. Margaret was a nasty asshole to him and he’s still polite and has never threatened her even though she’s an atrocious piece of crap human.  Louie on the other hand is an obnoxious almost scary asshole, 

Between creepo Louie and Teresa acting like she owns the show, I won’t be surprised if they fire her. 

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16 hours ago, Quiet1 said:

Delores wasn't shady at all. She straight up shot that shit down. She put Joe and Frank in their place and let everyone know she wasn't going to let them lie about her son in their vendetta against Louie. Delores was being a good parent by unequivocally backing  Frankie against Frank and Joe. 

My take is that Dolores is Theresa's friend and loyal for reasons I cannot see.  So, when Louie's business failed and Frankie Jr. showed up to find the business shuttered, Dolores agreed not to tell so that it wouldn't look like Louie had yet another failed business and, being closer to his mother that his father, Frankie stuck to the party line, which is everything with Louie was a great experience.  When it comes to Theresa, Dolores can be super shady and will do anything to cover for Theresa-- and, by extension, Louie. For her to say she doesn't want anyone to say her son's name WHEN SHE HAD HIM APPEAR ON CAMERA AND DISCUSSED FAMILY ISSUES WITH HIM ON CAMERA tells me this "protect Frankie Jr. " is nothing but a dodge.

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22 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Seriously, WTF is Frank Catania doing there? He's practically sitting on Joe's lap. How embarrassing for him. 

In conclusion, they're all using Teresa and Luis (who are not perfect themselves) to deflect from their own dirt. 

The Gorgas or Teresa have got to go. If this is the reason why the next season's taping has been pushed back until the Fall, great. I don't want to see both of them back because even though Teresa says she's done, Melissa will never let this shit go.

MMM, I saw Joe G a the end tell his sister he loved her and would always be there if she wanted him but, if not, the Gorgas would just walk away.... at which point, Theresa said something stupid and vicious.  It is Theresa who won't let any shit go. She is till accusing the Gorgas of putting her in jail (because, I guess, they are responsible for her criminal behavior. Please.)

22 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Yes, Bo Dietl could have hired private security. They are friends, it was mentioned on the show more than once. He never denied he knew him. Louie and Teresa were threatened. It was in the previews of part two, as well. It doesn't mean Louie hired him as an investigator to investigate anybody.

Also, Fuda can show any envelopes he wants, but we didn't see what was in the envelope. Any gossip, or otherwise media could find the mother of his kid because it was a storyline since they started filming, or even before.

OK, Tre.

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20 hours ago, funnygirl said:

From Bo Dietl: 

No investigations on the cast members on behalf of Luis. 

Separate from this, Margaret has an arsenal on everyone but it's crickets. 

Anyway, thank goodness this season is over. I don't want to hear about this Gorga/Giudice feud ever again. 10 years is long enough. 

Then, the LIAR here is LOUIE, since he is the one who claimed it TWICE and convinced the others that they were being investigated by this guy, right?

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1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

I can’t see Loooie a part of this man group.  That goes for Paulie too.  Paulie has some class.  I doubt he would want to hang with them either just because he goes with Delores.

Class?  Really?  I have a hard time seeing any personality at all, to be honest. He may be rich (or maybe fronting a bit-- you can get any condo you want or car you want parked in front of the condo if you willing to pay  the lease....) I have yet to see him say anything clever, funny, interesting.  He seems like a bit of a zero to me.

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1 hour ago, Chatty Cake said:

Louie was creepy. I don’t know why he complimented Rachel Fuda. She adopted an almost adult stepson for a storyline. It’s like why kiss the Fudas ass? The way he does it is not genuine. 
He had been nice to Margaret early in the season so when he said “ let’s play” I found it threatening. 
Bill Aydin is a gentleman. Margaret was a nasty asshole to him and he’s still polite and has never threatened her even though she’s an atrocious piece of crap human.  Louie on the other hand is an obnoxious almost scary asshole, 

Between creepo Louie and Teresa acting like she owns the show, I won’t be surprised if they fire her. 

I'm sorry, but this is an opinion with no basis in fact.  Do you have any idea at all what goes into adopting a child emotionally, financially, in every way?  According to Delores, they have wanted to do this for a long time, but the birth mother was an obstacle.   Now that the birth mom is truly incapable of being a parent, they were able to adopt and started the process, which is long, difficult and expensive.  As an adoptive parent, Rachel is legally and financially responsible for this young man until he reaches adulthood, or even longer if he attends college, which will also be something she will be responsible to fund.  How do you square the  idea that she adopted a child solely to get on a TV show with the fact that the child involved said, with such sincerity, that he wanted her to adopt him?  It's not nice to say, but this "she did it for TV" argument is kind of horrible.

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8 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

I am wondering if Paul is old school Catholic who just won't get a divorce no matter what.

I think you are right about him being old school, plus being very shy around the outgoing guys.  It’s hard to be on camera.

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11 minutes ago, BluishGreen said:

I'm sorry, but this is an opinion with no basis in fact.  Do you have any idea at all what goes into adopting a child emotionally, financially, in every way?  According to Delores, they have wanted to do this for a long time, but the birth mother was an obstacle.   Now that the birth mom is truly incapable of being a parent, they were able to adopt and started the process, which is long, difficult and expensive.  As an adoptive parent, Rachel is legally and financially responsible for this young man until he reaches adulthood, or even longer if he attends college, which will also be something she will be responsible to fund.  How do you square the  idea that she adopted a child solely to get on a TV show with the fact that the child involved said, with such sincerity, that he wanted her to adopt him?  It's not nice to say, but this "she did it for TV" argument is kind of horrible.

She had to talk about something and that’s what she chose. Each housewife has a producer that helps them formulate their storyline. They needed something more than her nose and his chin to talk about. 

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