S10.E18: The Reunion, Part III

[Einstein]

On 6/9/2023 at 4:44 PM, TattleTeeny said:

I actually know someone who is called Lala for this exact reason.

Her brother was interviewed on the Randall documentary and he specifically told the story about how he couldn't say her name so he called her LaLa.

[TattleTeeny]

The person I know who goes by Lala is actually named Angela, but basically the same exact story.

[politichick]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:30 AM, Chalby said:

I don't think he did want to end it. He's no different than any other cheating mate who cries to the women he's interested in: "she doesn't understand him, she puts him down, she won't have sex, she doesn't want kids, she's suicidal," etc. As with any cheating mate, when the truth comes out, they'll claim it's not quite the same storyline.

She's always thought about having kids IF she doesn't have to experience labour, as she has a deathly fear of that.; She had serious depression when she was younger and suicide ideation (nothing to do with Tom), and she'd have sex IF he stayed home with her and not wake her up expecting it. Lastly, she's always been his cheerleader.

Tom just likes telling women this as part of his pick up shtick.  But if any woman actually wanted him to break up with Ariana, he wouldn't. Heck, they survived COVID shutdown quite well, and you have to be compatible to get through that time.

Totally agree. Plus I wasted a lot of time watching old episodes these past couple of weeks and she was coming around on some things. During Rachella, she said the proposal made her feel more open to a proposal if he did it with just the two of them. And she froze eggs, which is quite an ordeal. 

Tom was trying to have his Ariana and Raquel, too, and failed miserably.

I also think Ariana's reunion anger was very justified and because she's always been a pretty reasonable person, of course she's softening a bit on the criticism. She deserved the day and it's not like she's been spewing hatred in the press constantly like Lala.

I am offended by suggestions I've seen that Lisa should step down. She's not shown nearly as much as before and I like her role as a business advisor, which is an import stage that some of them are at. And it's her eponymous show!

[JenE4]

2 hours ago, Drogo said:

Take him onnnnnnnnn.

 

I’ll admit it, that looks like a pretty fun show.

[glowbug]

I’ll just say this. If I had to choose, I would rather have my husband have a months long affair with my best friend before we had kids than have an affair with someone I didn’t know after we had kids. For me, the Randall/Lala situation and Scheana/Eddie situations would have been worse than the Tom/Raquel situation. They’re all awful but at least when you don’t have kids you can completely cut the cheater out of your life. It’s a million times easier, even if you’re married (Ariana and Tom thankfully aren’t) and have a house together, to leave someone when you don’t have kids, both logistically and financially. You can cut everyone out of your life that has contact with you ex when you don’t have kids. When you do, that’s often times not possible. Lala is going to struggle with that rule when Ocean is old enough to make friends at school. Those friends’ parents will want to have a cordial relationship with both Lala and Randall so they can have play dates on both their custody days. Ariana, once the show ends or she leaves the show, will never have to have any contact with Tom ever again. She won’t have to ever have contact with Raquel ever again. Amber had to have contact with Lala for years even before they became friendly.

I’m not defending Tom and Raquel. What they did was an absolute betrayal and it was horrible and Ariana has every right to be hurt and angry. I do think strategically she should have toned it down because I’ll admit that I had some sympathy for Raquel for the first time since Scandoval broke when she was on stage at the reunion. The combination of Ariana’s viciousness and the gang up was too much for me. I still think Raquel is an awful person and I think she’s been shown to have severely low levels of empathy but she’s still a human being and I can’t help but feel bad. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by glowbug

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, politichick said:

Totally agree. Plus I wasted a lot of time watching old episodes these past couple of weeks and she was coming around on some things. During Rachella, she said the proposal made her feel more open to a proposal if he did it with just the two of them. And she froze eggs, which is quite an ordeal. 

Tom was trying to have his Ariana and Raquel, too, and failed miserably.

I also think Ariana's reunion anger was very justified and because she's always been a pretty reasonable person, of course she's softening a bit on the criticism. She deserved the day and it's not like she's been spewing hatred in the press constantly like Lala.

I am offended by suggestions I've seen that Lisa should step down. She's not shown nearly as much as before and I like her role as a business advisor, which is an import stage that some of them are at. And it's her eponymous show!

I don't like Lisa very much, but I agree she stays as long as the show is called Vanderpump Rules - which I hope is forever. Her Weekends At Bernie's husband should stay too,

[KungFuBunny]

Listen to the “Jamie All Over” podcast available on Apple and Spotify. There is an episode called #TeamScheana from March 14th. On this episode, Jamie is speaking to Kale, who is another VPR adjacent friend. They speak about the Canyon Club event. Jamie goes into detail of how Raquel told Production of a video claiming Jamie took it. Jamie never took the video, she mentions how Raquel is in idiot because Jamie is IN the video.  This was video Raquel took. You’ll also hear Kale speak about Raquel and what she told him in terms of the affair.

Jamie and Kale talk about how this was a very close-knit group of friends. Raquel only met them and became close to them because of Ariana and Scheana. Ariana was right when she told Raquel, you don’t have any friends. Everyone is Team Scheana and Team Ariana.

I wonder if it has sunk in yet for Raquel, she really shot herself in the foot. All those festivals they went on, was because of Scheana’s connections via her podcast. All of those nights out at clubs, were coordinated by Scheana and Ariana or their mutual friends. Raquel and Tom aren’t going to be invited. They will literally need to buy their own tickets with the masses, no special treatment. If Raquel returns next season, all she will get to do is go to SURs, TomToms, Schwartz & Sandy’s, follow Tom to his appearances at his discretion, because you know he’s going to be creeping around with groupies.

None of the other women will film with her, not even Charli, Even Starter Pony Peter is going to give her a pass. Well, maybe James, I will live to see him on film asking her if she is having fun being a Skanky Skank playing with Shriveled 42 year old Wormy Mustached Penis. Who’s left, LVP and the Toms?

[RoseAllDay]

4 hours ago, Gharlane said:

Yes, and Sandoval just happened to take a sabbatical nearby.

It's possible there's a second time and she actually went to one. I'm confused about that.

Now I remember…he went to Cochella during her hour of need.

[hoodooznoodooz]

6 hours ago, Drogo said:

Take him onnnnnnnnn.

 

Ugh. Just take the mike off the stand, for Pete’s sake.

[RoseAllDay]

3 hours ago, politichick said:

Totally agree. Plus I wasted a lot of time watching old episodes these past couple of weeks and she was coming around on some things. During Rachella, she said the proposal made her feel more open to a proposal if he did it with just the two of them. And she froze eggs, which is quite an ordeal. 

Tom was trying to have his Ariana and Raquel, too, and failed miserably.

I also think Ariana's reunion anger was very justified and because she's always been a pretty reasonable person, of course she's softening a bit on the criticism. She deserved the day and it's not like she's been spewing hatred in the press constantly like Lala.

I am offended by suggestions I've seen that Lisa should step down. She's not shown nearly as much as before and I like her role as a business advisor, which is an import stage that some of them are at. And it's her eponymous show!

I thought she should have just kept out of most of the reunion fighting.

That said, this show as it’s been premised has jumped the shark. There is nowhere else to go with this trainwreck. Give Lisa a new cast of chucklefucks in Vegas, if we want to see poor stiffs waiting tables. But VPR with these people is dead. Or better still, have Lisa do a Heather Dubrow and come back to BH, which is sorely missing her, IMO (and I say that as somebody who really wasn’t on the fan train when she was on — but I’ve come to appreciate her watching VPR and BH reruns).

While I’m here…I totally got Ariana’s visceral rage at Tom and Rachel, and how she expressed it. Not going to fault her for that. T & R had it coming. But Ariaba appears to be moving on, which is the best revenge.

[Marigold66]

6 hours ago, Drogo said:

Take him onnnnnnnnn.

 

I relented and listened to about 10 seconds of the chorus--there is no way his singing hasn't been auto-tuned to death on those high notes!  Especially on such a song like "Take on Me".   We've heard how the man plays a trumpet.  You ain't fooling us, Sandoval!  

[heatherchandler]

13 hours ago, Jel said:

In the law, we recognize degrees of severity of crime. The consequences for a candy bar theft are less than the consequences of stealing someone’s life savings. They are both stealing, so both are criminal and immoral, but one situation is clearly worse. To frame it another way: I have never heard someone make the argument that what Bernie madoff did to his victims is the same as having someone steal your lunch from the office fridge. Why not? It’s all stealing, right? Yes, it is, but one case is bad and the other is much worse. You don’t say to the Madoff victim, “Yes it’s bad that you lost your life savings, but you did steal Bernie’s lunch from the staff room fridge nine years ago, so it’s hypocritical of you to complain about this theft. You also stole, and stealing is stealing. And, you should keep your emotions in check, and you don’t really have a right to feel devastated by this because you stole too.”

And I think that we generally understand that when the Madoff victims go off on him, that they are speaking out of extreme hurt and feelings of betrayal? No one changes their opinion of the situation based on words the victims uttered after the fact.

Cheating wise, what Tom and Rachel did was Bernie Madoff level stealing and betrayal. In cheating situations, it doesn’t get much worse than having your life partner cheat with a close friend, especially when you took in, championed and defended that friend. The second part makes it so much worse than cheating with a stranger. 
 

In comparison, in terms of severity, I’d say the Tom/Raquel cheating, it’s nowhere near Madoff.  Madoff-level is families breaking up, parents telling their children that they are divorcing.. There are people on this show who have slept with married men, broken up families with kids.  

Tom and Raquel situation is worse than stealing a sandwich, but it’s more like stealing a car.  Pretty bad, but not stealing life savings of elderly!

Hypothetically, if they all sign on again, and they are told that they have to co-exist with everyone in order to stay on the show, they will all sign. I’d imagine that Bravo will want another season.

They all said they would never talk to Kristen again and they all did after Scheana looped her back in. And what she did to Sandoval was pretty bad.  These people care more about their “careers” than any allegiance or “friendship.”  They all stab each other in the back regularly.

[KungFuBunny]

Next season on Vanderpump Rules

 

Katie makes sandwiches by day and goes Wolverine on Schwartz’s ass and the Whore Du Jour’s crotch at night.

 

Schwartz suffers a nervous breakdown as he watches his life savings go up in smoke.

 

Tom’s nonexistent Rock Star career is truly going down the toilet. The only regular gig he has left is in the alley behind Schwartz and Sandy’s…right next to the dumpster…standing on top of an overturned milk crate…using his dildo flute as a microphone. The captivated audience lasted 1 minute, the homeless man and rats were seen fleeing towards SUR alley.

 

Raquel only lasts for two weeks as no one films with her, Sandoval is busy boinking new groupies. Please refer to them as their preferred name, “Newpies”. Never fear though, the failed pageant contestant is bouncing back. She is currently filming Rock Of Love 8. Due to budgetary constraints, there is no Rock Star Tour Bus, this year all filming takes place in an abandoned trailer park. Reminder, “don’t threaten her with a good time”.

[FlyingEgret]

I noticed on first watch that they didn't show Andy asking Lala a final question.  No question to Lala on the Pumped Up version either.

Very curious as to what atrocious response was left on the cutting room floor - or did he simply forget she was there at the end of the couch...

[KungFuBunny]

7 minutes ago, FlyingEgret said:

I noticed on first watch that they didn't show Andy asking Lala a final question.  No question to Lala on the Pumped Up version either.

Very curious as to what atrocious response was left on the cutting room floor - or did he simply forget she was there at the end of the couch...

If I recall correctly, Andy forgot and he asked her for her rose and thorn on WWHL.

Remember how Lala said something like BJ's for PJ's?

Raquel's could be blowy to stay on the showie

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Ariana was right when she told Raquel, you don’t have any friends.

On Rachel’s Instagram, there are hardly any photos of her with non-VPR or non-VPR-adjacent “friends” (she d- - -ed over).

[hoodooznoodooz]

I do appreciate how Ariana, now that she is no longer Sandoval’s significant other, has chosen to remain a public person, rather than start a completely different life on the other side of the world.

[princelina]

18 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I do appreciate how Ariana, now that she is no longer Sandoval’s significant other, has chosen to remain a public person, rather than start a completely different life on the other side of the world.

Well she was here to begin with because she, like the rest of them, wanted to be famous.  She danced for Scheana's nightclub act, was trained to take comedy seriously, and even appeared in that "read your diary" event.  I'm sure being in commercials, invited on Dancing with the Starts and to the WH dinner were all great balm to the wound Sandy and Raquel inflicted!

[Polliwollidoodle]

42 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

On Rachel’s Instagram, there are hardly any photos of her with non-VPR or non-VPR-adjacent “friends” (she d- - -ed over).

you mean she dipped out so didn't get a chance to complete the bonding experience.

[ZettaK]

On 6/11/2023 at 3:44 AM, Chalby said:

I will say I've always hated the C++t word because it used to be launched as a gender specific insult/ attack. But after watching Graham Norton, the word is very popular in Britain, always has been, and my kids and their friends don't see it as a pearl clutcher as I do. Therefore, it's my problem. The fact it even gets said on TV surprises me.

The U.K. is still classist (unlike other European countries which have monarchies, as well), and can be racist, xenophobic, and sexist, so nothing here to be admired, and no excuse for the word "c..." on tv, etc.

Edited June 13, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 6/9/2023 at 7:35 PM, heatherchandler said:

Her being in beauty pageants probably exacerbated any insecurities she already had.  Gives me more reason to feel for her.

Nema specifically points out that he’s horrified by the level of vitriol directed at Tom.  That makes me like him.

https://people.com/lala-kent-regrets-attacking-raquel-leviss-at-vanderpump-rules-reunion-7510310?hid=ec43a6d9655feb4f68c41694157e8a0bd9fd795b&did=9377297-20230609&utm_source=ppl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=people-news_newsletter&utm_content=060923&lctg=ec43a6d9655feb4f68c41694157e8a0bd9fd795b

They regret it BECAUSE they went to Twitter and they see that no one is on board with how they acted.  I’m sure a pr person called up People panicking because people are turning on them.

Lala along James acted as if she was more hurt and insulted by the affair than Ariana. Lala didn't anticipate the backlash her vitriol would create, and she is backpedaling now. How predictable.

[ZettaK]

On 6/11/2023 at 2:32 PM, KungFuBunny said:

Hypocritical: Behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

Andy: This is a group of cheaters, no one in this group has clean hands. So, I mean look, you’re all prepared to come after Sandoval and Raquel. How is that not hypocritical?

Andy misused hypocritical in a sentence and inferred a different meaning. Andy basically was saying if you’ve been a cheater, you can’t call out another cheater. Raquel and Tom jumped onto Andy’s misuse of the word.

I can be a bitch, that does not preclude me from calling someone else a bitch. This does not make me a hypocrite.

Let’s say I stole a candy bar from a pharmacy. It would not be hypocritical of me to say I think what Bernie Madoff did to all those people was terrible and to discuss this with other people even though I committed theft myself. It isn’t even about comparing which theft was worse.

Correct usage: It would be hypocritical for a married reverend to preach about the sanctity of marriage while having multiple mistresses.

I wish someone called Andy out on his misuse and misinterpretation of the word hypocritical.

My point is, Lala has every right to say that what Sandoval & Raquel did was horrible, she is not precluded because she has cheated herself. After the T-shirt comment, James had every right to say that was a dick move to Tom, even though he has said some pretty nasty shit about women himself.

The word hypocritical was used properly. Lala for example cheated for years with a married man who was hiding what he was doing (didn't appear on the show but only after he filed for divorce, made everybody sign NDAs before that, didn't take her to his house, etc.), it doesn't matter how much she is protesting now. She can't pretend she is so angry about Scandoval.

Edited June 13, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

22 hours ago, Jel said:

In the law, we recognize degrees of severity of crime. The consequences for a candy bar theft are less than the consequences of stealing someone’s life savings. They are both stealing, so both are criminal and immoral, but one situation is clearly worse. To frame it another way: I have never heard someone make the argument that what Bernie madoff did to his victims is the same as having someone steal your lunch from the office fridge. Why not? It’s all stealing, right? Yes, it is, but one case is bad and the other is much worse. You don’t say to the Madoff victim, “Yes it’s bad that you lost your life savings, but you did steal Bernie’s lunch from the staff room fridge nine years ago, so it’s hypocritical of you to complain about this theft. You also stole, and stealing is stealing. And, you should keep your emotions in check, and you don’t really have a right to feel devastated by this because you stole too.”

And I think that we generally understand that when the Madoff victims go off on him, that they are speaking out of extreme hurt and feelings of betrayal? No one changes their opinion of the situation based on words the victims uttered after the fact.

Cheating wise, what Tom and Rachel did was Bernie Madoff level stealing and betrayal. In cheating situations, it doesn’t get much worse than having your life partner cheat with a close friend, especially when you took in, championed and defended that friend. The second part makes it so much worse than cheating with a stranger. 
 

People who were cheated on don't compare themselves to others. And yes, they are levels. Some people have worse stories than Ariana's.

 

13 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

The Canyon Club came up a few times during the reunion – by Tom and Raquel on 2 separate occasions. They have the same narrative of painting James as an out of control drunk that was being abusive to Ally and his actions got him thrown out of the Club. Raquel even brings it up during the season sitting at SUR – we all see the flashback on the reunion. This shared narrative by Tom and Raquel leads me to believe that they’ve been hooking up then and this occurred months before The Abbey incident.

I’m posting a video. Start at the 23 minute mark. The blond talking is Jamie Lynne, she is good friends with Scheana and was one of her bridesmaids. Raquel asked Jamie to sign a release form stating Jamie took a video which she didn’t. The brunette is Lex Tilly. She is one of the VPR adjacent friends – closest to Scheana but also friends to Ariana and Katie. She has an instagram account and has many followers. She was at the Canyon Club sitting across from Raquel. Raquel also approached Lex to lie about James.

I believe Raquel on VPR is a persona – naive, little girl lost, vulnerable, gullible, victim. I believe when Raquel drinks a little too much – the persona goes to the wayside, she loses control of keeping the mask in place. This is the real Raquel – a real nasty piece of work.

 

This woman needs to watch the VR episode because she obviously didn't. James was fighting with Ally inside the Canyon Club, so there was footage from inside the club. And no, security were not dicks like she called them (it doesn't matter if it was one person, or more, this is a club in the west part of the San Fernando Valley, and not a large urban club) for kicking James out of the club. That's their job when somebody is fighting with a female. Raquel doesn’t need to make James look bad (she was supposedly recording him). He does this by himself constantly during his many years on the show because of the way he acts. You cannot record something that doesn't exist. And I'm sure he is not an angel outside the show either.

Those two women are friends of Scheana and Ariana. Maybe not close friends, but they belong to their circle, and who doesn't want to promote themselves by using somebody else's story these days? 

Edited June 13, 2023 by ZettaK

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

On Rachel’s Instagram, there are hardly any photos of her with non-VPR or non-VPR-adjacent “friends” (she d- - -ed over).

Yep..I'm telling you she fucked up a really good thing. No more gifting suites to get free stuff. No more backstage passes. No more free hotel stays. No more perks whatsoever.

I heard Kale and Jamie were interviewed by Hulu - there might be a documentary on Scandoval. They were both asked if they believed Raquel was in a mental health facility. Jamie said she thinks it is a possibility. Kale said not a chance, Raquel is very calculating, her going is all a sham to stay out of the limelight for now so that she doesn't have to deal with the public backlash. He said she needs help, she has non healthy relationships with men (multiple, simultaneous). He said she was obsessed with Nema and became more so when he wasn't that into her.

[heatherchandler]

Sounds like Jamie and Kale are looking desperately for their 15 minutes.  I’m about as interested in anything they have to say as I am about Kristina Kelly. 

[heatherchandler]

This is a fun forum to laugh at these idiots and debate who is worse, but I’m very much not interested in debating who thinks Raquel is or isn’t in a mental health facility. Especially in todays world of mental illness, bullying and suicide.

[Drogo]

12 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Tom’s nonexistent Rock Star career

How dare you.

[Shauna]

On 6/10/2023 at 10:25 AM, Gharlane said:

Err, which reason? 😉

 

I totally agree! 

 

I thought it was a sheet or drape that was made into an impromptu toga. 🤷‍♂️

Regarding Raquel's dress.  Did anyone notice when she took it off (she and Tom were talking), the tags were still on?  Me thinks she was going to return it later that day for a full refund. 

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I do appreciate how Ariana, now that she is no longer Sandoval’s significant other, has chosen to remain a public person, rather than start a completely different life on the other side of the world.

I hope the house is sold soon, so that Ariana can get the fuck out of there. She should just take clothes and personal items. Let Tom pay her for all of the furniture. All of that stuff has bad ju-ju attached. She can start completely fresh.

He can keep the paper towels and batteries.

 

[Chatty Cake]

8 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

This is a fun forum to laugh at these idiots and debate who is worse, but I’m very much not interested in debating who thinks Raquel is or isn’t in a mental health facility. Especially in todays world of mental illness, bullying and suicide.

I’m not debating you but I’m guessing she did go to some sort of wellness center. The backlash had to be overwhelming and people are harder on the woman. At the reunion, she was called a whore, he was called a worm with a mustache. 

[KungFuBunny]

I was thinking about where does the VPR cast go when the show ends.

LVP - has another spin-off that will air on Hulu called Vanderpump Villa. It follows the lives of the staff she has that take care of her luxury French villa. I think that will do as well as VanderDogs

I think Ariana and Scheana will be fine. They have revenue streams outside of VPR. Katie should be okay. Lala is a scrapper.

Schwartz already has filmed two other reality shows. Stars on Mars and Winter House. He's doomed.

Sandoval - the only reality show I could see him in is The Masked Singer. They had controversial people on before, like Rudy Guiliani. He'll be kicked off the first week, and I hope they epoxy his skin into his costume. After that, I guess it's porn as he already has the pornstache. Tom: Hey babe, you wanna play with my other worm with the mustache? OMG - I'm grossing myself out

Edited June 13, 2023 by KungFuBunny

[lasu]

If I have cheated in my past, does that mean I can never comment on someone else's cheating or get upset if I am cheated on?  Like, forever?  That's an odd concept to me.  There are a lot of things I've done in my past that I now recognize as wrong.  

I'm of two minds when it comes to how harsh Ariana was.  On one hand, this was three weeks later.  Obviously it was raw, and I absolutely understand how she was feeling and shouldn't have to censor herself.  And I don't believe seeing her at her worst moment shows "who she really is."  It's not who she really is usually - it's who she is at her absolute worst under extreme provocation.  I don't like her very much at all, but not because of any of this.

On the other hand, if it's wrong to say something, it's wrong to say something.  It's still wrong when you're mad.  If Raquel had been a Black woman, I wouldn't have stood for any racial slurs, no matter how upset Ariana was and how much she was betrayed.  So I don't give [much of] a pass on gender slurs.  

On the third hand! I didn't think most of what she said was indeed gender-based slurs.  Certainly some was, but I'm not one to be bothered by c*** the same way I am bitch, whore, slut, things like that.  Yes, I'm without question a feminist who will call you a c*** if you piss me off - same for a man or a woman.  If I was going to ding Ariana, it would be more for the "you are nothing" and "you have no friends" business than any misogyny. 

On the fourth, and I hope final, hand, it's absurd to me to say Ariana was wrong because Raquel may harm herself.  I do agree that there are people who harm themselves because of other people's words, and it is something to to keep in mind.  But to hold Ariana responsible for Raquel's mental health doesn't make sense to me, especially when what Raquel to Ariana was so much worse and caused so much more harm.  Yes, Ariana was viscous, but it didn't just come out of no where.

As for the first foot AND the second foot - those are both going straight up Sandy's ass because he's the absolute worst.  I'm even an example of what makes me the most mad - a whole long ass post about what two women did wrong, while the mustachioed worm wriggles off to perform more sub par karaoke shows. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by lasu

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, lasu said:

If I have cheated in my past, does that mean I can never comment on someone else's cheating or get upset if I am cheated on?  Like, forever?  That's an odd concept to me.  There are a lot of things I've done in my past that I now recognize as wrong.  

I'm of two minds when it comes to how harsh Ariana was.  On one hand, this was three weeks later.  Obviously it was raw, and I absolutely understand how she was feeling and shouldn't have to censor herself.  And I don't believe seeing her at her worst moment shows "who she really is."  It's not who she really is usually - it's who she is at her absolute worst under extreme provocation.  I don't like her very much at all, but not because of any of this.

On the other hand, if it's wrong to say something, it's wrong to say something.  It's still wrong when you're mad.  If Raquel had been a Black woman, I wouldn't have stood for any racial slurs, no matter how upset Ariana was and how much she was betrayed.  So I don't give [much of] a pass on gender slurs.  

On the third hand! I didn't think most of what she said was indeed gender-based slurs.  Certainly some was, but I'm not one to be bothered by c*** the same way I am bitch, whore, slut, things like that.  Yes, I'm without question a feminist who will call you a c*** if you piss me off - same for a man or a woman.  If I was going to ding Ariana, it would be more for the "you are nothing" and "you have no friends" business than any misogyny. 

On the fourth, and I hope final, hand, it's absurd to me to say Ariana was wrong because Raquel may harm herself.  I do agree that there are people who harm themselves because of other people's words, and it is something to to keep in mind.  But to hold Ariana responsible for Raquel's mental health doesn't make sense to me, especially when what Raquel to Ariana was so much worse and caused so much more harm.  Yes, Ariana was viscous, but it didn't just come out of no where.

As for the first foot AND the second foot - those are both going straight up Sandy's ass because he's the absolute worst.  I'm even an example of what makes me the most mad - a whole long ass post about what two women did wrong, while the mustachioed worm wriggles off to perform more sub par karaoke shows. 

Agree. I've never cheated. But let's say I cheated on my high school or college boyfriend. Does that mean I have no right to be devastated by my partner of a decade and outraged he cheated on me? 

I haven't watched enough of the show to have a strong opinion about Ariana. I do see a woman in pain though, and I don't think you at your worst defines who you are.

I hold that same opinion about Raquel and Sandoval. As much as I've defended Ariana here and been disgusted by what those those two did, I don't personally know any of these people and haven't watched the show as much as most of you. It's possible these are two good people who are dealing with the aftermath of the worst mistakes of their life on national television. 

I don't see racial and gender name calling as the same. I'm not saying it's great, but people throw around bitch a lot. Most of the people I know who are guilty of this do not have anything against women specifically, and also name call men ass, dick, etc. I've only ever heard the n word used by racists. Not the same thing at all to me. 

I've seen women be really, really vicious when their partner has cheated on them. Attacking, bullying, trashing the "other woman" on social media, trying to literally destroy their lives. (One woman even harassed me and a work friend of mine because she thought her husband had stuff going with multiple women at the office. None of us even did!) If Ariana went that far, I'd say she's absolutely wrong no matter how hurt she is and how fresh the pain is. But chewing someone out and name calling on a Bravo show, ehh, not saying it's angelic behavior. But it's to be expected on a guilty pleasure trashy reality show. If anyone is deeply offended by b***c, c**t, w***e, probably shouldn't watch Bravo/Peacock. Even though my mouth isn't perfect, I get annoyed myself, trust me. But let's be honest, America's finest and most well-mannered have rarely been cast for these shows!

I wish everyone involved the best with their mental health. I'm sure 99.99% of us do, even if we see one side more than the other. 

Edited June 14, 2023 by RealHousewife

[Drogo]

I wouldn't say cheaters have no right to comment, but Lala and James leading the charge on Scandoval when a) their cheating is recent b) was within this same cesspool community of people and c) neither of them has shown much if any contrition for what they did, or sympathy for those they did it to (aka Raquel/Ex-Mrs. Rand/Kristen/etc) is pretty silly.  

Earlier in the season when Tom and Ariana had a pool party, Lala derided Raquel for not being "over" the cheating she'd learned about on the previous episode.   

I want to say that same episode Ariana gives a TH about how Katie/Christina/Lala are habitual mean girls and called out Lala's comments about Raquel's intelligence (or lack thereof) as being unacceptable.  

[Carolina Girl]

On 6/8/2023 at 5:01 PM, heatherchandler said:

Remember when Lala thought she would be joining the real housewives because of Randal’s clout and status and millions?  

I must say it would have been worth it to watch her fajita that bitch Rinna and quite possibly Erika d'Grifteaur as well.

[KungFuBunny]

Next season on Vanderpump Rules.

 

LVP has a new makeup artist. Friends struggle to ask/say the following: 1) Did perhaps, your new employee get her license from Barnum & Bailey? 2) Wouldn’t a soft pastel palette be more complimentary with your skin tone? 3) Is your new hire optically challenged and/or legally blind?

 

Something about Her is about to make its grand opening. Katie wishes to look her best, and LVP graciously offers to help with hair and makeup.

 

Ken/Bernie dodders aimlessly in the garden. While napping, Ken used Frumpy as a pillow and Dumpy as a seat cushion, and he has yet to realize what he’s done. Somewhere with Villa Rosa, Rocio faints.

 

Pandora, vibrant as ever arrives at SUR to visit her mother. She is holding her son, Theo in one arm and a bottle of Vanderpump Rose in the other. Hock mummy’s merch, Pandy!

[Gharlane]

5 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I must say it would have been worth it to watch her fajita that bitch Rinna and quite possibly Erika d'Grifteaur as well.

I seriously doubt that would happen.  LaLa quickly crumbles when she encounters any resistance.  Remember her fleeing town after being called a whore for that so-called modeling job in Italy? 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Gharlane

[KungFuBunny]

8 hours ago, Shauna said:

Regarding Raquel's dress.  Did anyone notice when she took it off (she and Tom were talking), the tags were still on?  Me thinks she was going to return it later that day for a full refund. 

I just did a fast forward to this part, and saw it. I imagine her sister or mother returned it for the full refund.

[itsadryheat]

On 6/12/2023 at 8:28 AM, KungFuBunny said:

This is the real Raquel – a real nasty piece of work.

 "can't make it to the after party because she has a booty call", "will you say it was you that took the video that makes James look bad, so production can show it" . . .  a liar that goes out of her way to get others to lie . . . and she is in a "mental health facility".

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, itsadryheat said:

 "can't make it to the after party because she has a booty call", "will you say it was you that took the video that makes James look bad, so production can show it" . . .  a liar that goes out of her way to get others to lie . . . and she is in a "mental health facility".

I still call bullshit. Raquel is allegedly a fan of VPR - so she knew about Ariana's depression, her body image issues...and according to Tom suicidal. Those 2 didn't give a shit about Ariana's mental health - and they still don't.

If she ever is diagnosed with true depression its because Tom dumps her and this means she can't go back to VPR because there isn't anyone to film with.

What I'm trying to figure out is why was it so important for Tom & Raquel to push the James getting kicked out narrative? Was it just deflection? Or did they need to discredit James, so that if James ever said I had a threesome with Raquel and Tom nobody would believe him? Or is it because he might figure out that the timeline was years ago?

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by KungFuBunny

[lili45]

5 hours ago, lasu said:

If I have cheated in my past, does that mean I can never comment on someone else's cheating or get upset if I am cheated on?  Like, forever?  That's an odd concept to me.  There are a lot of things I've done in my past that I now recognize as wrong.  

I'm of two minds when it comes to how harsh Ariana was.  On one hand, this was three weeks later.  Obviously it was raw, and I absolutely understand how she was feeling and shouldn't have to censor herself.  And I don't believe seeing her at her worst moment shows "who she really is."  It's not who she really is usually - it's who she is at her absolute worst under extreme provocation.  I don't like her very much at all, but not because of any of this.

On the other hand, if it's wrong to say something, it's wrong to say something.  It's still wrong when you're mad.  If Raquel had been a Black woman, I wouldn't have stood for any racial slurs, no matter how upset Ariana was and how much she was betrayed.  So I don't give [much of] a pass on gender slurs.  

On the third hand! I didn't think most of what she said was indeed gender-based slurs.  Certainly some was, but I'm not one to be bothered by c*** the same way I am bitch, whore, slut, things like that.  Yes, I'm without question a feminist who will call you a c*** if you piss me off - same for a man or a woman.  If I was going to ding Ariana, it would be more for the "you are nothing" and "you have no friends" business than any misogyny. 

On the fourth, and I hope final, hand, it's absurd to me to say Ariana was wrong because Raquel may harm herself.  I do agree that there are people who harm themselves because of other people's words, and it is something to to keep in mind.  But to hold Ariana responsible for Raquel's mental health doesn't make sense to me, especially when what Raquel to Ariana was so much worse and caused so much more harm.  Yes, Ariana was viscous, but it didn't just come out of no where.

As for the first foot AND the second foot - those are both going straight up Sandy's ass because he's the absolute worst.  I'm even an example of what makes me the most mad - a whole long ass post about what two women did wrong, while the mustachioed worm wriggles off to perform more sub par karaoke shows. 

Absolutely fabulous. So very well expressed. Fully Agree with everything!

 👏 👏 👏 

[lili45]

4 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Agree. I've never cheated. But let's say I cheated on my high school or college boyfriend. Does that mean I have no right to be devastated by my partner of a decade and outraged he cheated on me? 

I haven't watched enough of the show to have a strong opinion about Ariana. I do see a woman in pain though, and I don't think you at your worst defines who you are.

I hold that same opinion about Raquel and Sandoval. As much as I've defended Ariana here and been disgusted by what those those two did, I don't personally know any of these people and haven't watched the show as much as most of you. It's possible these are two good people who are dealing with the aftermath of the worst mistakes of their life on national television. 

I don't see racial and gender name calling as the same. I'm not saying it's great, but people throw around bitch a lot. Most of the people I know who are guilty of this do not have anything against women specifically, and also name call men ass, dick, etc. I've only ever heard the n word used by racists. Not the same thing at all to me. 

I've seen women be really, really vicious when their partner has cheated on them. Attacking, bullying, trashing the "other woman" on social media, trying to literally destroy their lives. (One woman even harassed me and a work friend of mine because she thought her husband had stuff going with multiple women at the office. None of us even did!) If Ariana went that far, I'd say she's absolutely wrong no matter how hurt she is and how fresh the pain is. But chewing someone out and name calling on a Bravo show, ehh, not saying it's angelic behavior. But it's to be expected on a guilty trashy reality show. If anyone is deeply offended by b***c, c**t, w***e, probably shouldn't watch Bravo/Peacock. Even though my mouth isn't perfect, I get annoyed myself, trust me. But let's be honest, America's finest and most well-mannered have rarely been cast for these shows!

I wish everyone involved the best with their mental health. I'm sure 99.99% of us do, even if we see one side more than the other. 

Looooove this 💖

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Next season on Vanderpump Rules.

 

LVP has a new makeup artist. Friends struggle to ask/say the following: 1) Did perhaps, your new employee get her license from Barnum & Bailey? 2) Wouldn’t a soft pastel palette be more complimentary with your skin tone? 3) Is your new hire optically challenged and/or legally blind?

 

Something about Her is about to make its grand opening. Katie wishes to look her best, and LVP graciously offers to help with hair and makeup.

 

Ken/Bernie dodders aimlessly in the garden. While napping, Ken used Frumpy as a pillow and Dumpy as a seat cushion, and he has yet to realize what he’s done. Somewhere with Villa Rosa, Rocio faints.

 

Pandora, vibrant as ever arrives at SUR to visit her mother. She is holding her son, Theo in one arm and a bottle of Vanderpump Rose in the other. Hock mummy’s merch, Pandy!

Brilliant, all of them!

[lili45]

5 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I still call bullshit. Raquel is allegedly a fan of VPR - so she knew about Ariana's , depression, her body image issues...and according to Tom suicidal. Those 2 didn't give a shit about Ariana's mental health - and they still don't.

If she ever is diagnosed with true depression its because Tom dumps her and this means she can't go back to VPR because there isn't anyone to film with.

What I'm trying to figure out is why was it so important for Tom & Raquel to push the James getting kicked out narrative? Was it just deflection? Or did they need to discredit James, so that if James ever said I had a threesome with Raquel and Tom nobody would believe him? Or is it because he might figure out that the timeline was years ago?

 

Exactly, perfectly stated & Great questions. A’s mental health was of absolutely zero concern for nearly 7 months and this shock could have very easily pushed her over the edge. Poor thing grieving her Grandmother & dog. These two are callous & despicable, and I don’t see the need to tiptoe about it. 
I saw it as deflection, but your points are interesting possibilities! Hmmmmm…

Edited June 14, 2023 by lili45

[KungFuBunny]

14 hours ago, lili45 said:

Exactly, perfectly stated & Great questions. A’s mental health was of absolutely zero concern for nearly 7 months and this shock could have very easily pushed her over the edge. Poor thing grieving her Grandmother & dog. These two are callous & despicable, and I don’t see the need for tiptoeing about it. 
It’s saw it as deflection, but your points are interesting possibilities! Hmmmmm…

I think someone mentioned that James rage texted Raquel when she went out and didn't come home. It probably happened more often, that time was just filmed. Ir wouldn't surprise me if she had a one night stand with Tom when she was a groupie, and then Tom told her go target James to get on the show. I could totally see Tom sidling up next to James on C U Next Tuesday night, and saying to James, hey that girl over there is hot, and I think she's looking you

I was just watching Coachella 2023 which just happened in April. Scheana, Ariana, Logan, Kael, Elaine..a big group of them. Raquel is depressed now.

Edited June 14, 2023 by KungFuBunny

[hoodooznoodooz]

For those of you who have not listened to the Call her Daddy interview, Sandoval had Rachel with him in New York for the Sandoval and Schwartz WWHL appearance. He asks friends to put the hotel rooms on their credit cards then Venmos them. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by hoodooznoodooz

[goofygirl]

22 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

For those of you who have not listened to the Call her Daddy interview, Sandoval had Rachel with him in New York for the Sandoval and Schwartz WWHL appearance. He asks  friends to put the hotel rooms on their credit cards then Venmos them. 

Why?  I thought he was PROUD of the fact that he had a new squeeze!

[RealHousewife]

24 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

For those of you who have not listened to the Call her Daddy interview, Sandoval had Rachel with him in New York for the Sandoval and Schwartz WWHL appearance. He asks  friends to put the hotel rooms on their credit cards then Venmos them. 

I did and not to get too OT, but it was a good listen. 

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

For those of you who have not listened to the Call her Daddy interview, Sandoval had Rachel with him in New York for the Sandoval and Schwartz WWHL appearance. He asks  friends to put the hotel rooms on their credit cards then Venmos them. 

I had heard that too and thought it was true, but it might not be correct.

I've been watching old vlogs of Scheana's. Her friend Elaine, threw a premiere episode party in her home in California.

You see on the TV...Schwartz and Sandoval on WWHL. Total ick - he's wearing the lightning bolt necklace.

Then you see Elaine making a toast at the dinner table. The toast was to Scheana and then she included Raquel and they pan over to Raquel and she's sitting next to Kael. Later you see Raquel, Elaine and Scheana talking and she has her lightning bolt necklace on.

If Schwartz and Sandoval stayed in NY for a few more days, then maybe Raquel flew out. But she wasn't there the night WWHL aired on Feb 8th with the Toms. If Raquel flew out to NY, it's a 5 hour flight plus you lose 3 hours. Earliest she could have gotten there is Thursday the 9th in the afternoon.

Ariana was not at Elaine's - maybe she stayed home or had a separate party with Lala and Katie.

[ZettaK]

17 hours ago, Shauna said:

Regarding Raquel's dress.  Did anyone notice when she took it off (she and Tom were talking), the tags were still on?  Me thinks she was going to return it later that day for a full refund. 

I hope employees of the store didn't watch the reunion! Too late! She most probably returned it already!

Edited June 14, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

7 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I still call bullshit. Raquel is allegedly a fan of VPR - so she knew about Ariana's depression, her body image issues...and according to Tom suicidal. Those 2 didn't give a shit about Ariana's mental health - and they still don't.

If she ever is diagnosed with true depression its because Tom dumps her and this means she can't go back to VPR because there isn't anyone to film with.

What I'm trying to figure out is why was it so important for Tom & Raquel to push the James getting kicked out narrative? Was it just deflection? Or did they need to discredit James, so that if James ever said I had a threesome with Raquel and Tom nobody would believe him? Or is it because he might figure out that the timeline was years ago?

 

I think that if James had anything damaging to say, he would have said it already during the reunion, in his many interviews, appearances on podcasts, and daily posts about the show on his social media for the last 3.5 months. He seems to be really busy promoting himself as a morality keeper/figher. Nobody can discredit James, he does this by himself. He fought with Ally on camera, and he threw a beer at Schwartz, also in camera. This season. And that was before the reunion. Was he that blind and stupid (along with many other friends and acquaintances, even random fans of the show who for example saw Sandoval with Raquel in Big Bear, and in St. Louis recently, but never before) that didn't realize Raquel was cheating on him for 5 years? 

It's going to be funny that after the backlash directed at Lala and James about attacking Raquel at the reunion, not really in order to support Ariana, but for personal reasons (Lala always hated Raquel, James was still in love with Raquel, and very bitter) those two might be less harsh about the affair during filming of a new season.

Edited June 14, 2023 by ZettaK