S04.E15: Where There Is Love There Is Life/Tell All Part 1

[magemaud]

19 minutes ago, Endora said:

The first hour last night wrapped up the season.  The second hour was the tell-all part 1.  Next week the tell-all continues.

According to my guide, next Sunday will be the two hour Tell All Part 2. The following Sunday (Memorial Day weekend) is labeled a new episode of "The Other Way", while not described as the Tell All Part 3, I think it is. "Before the 90 Days" takes over that time slot on Sunday June 4th. Sometimes they get sneaky and work a preview of a new show or season into the Tell All time slot. 

[Breedom]

3 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

I still don't quite understand what set Kris off. She wouldn't let Jeymi finish a sentence before she interrupted her, and when Jeymi tried to keep talking, Kris flipped out & turned into a textbook abusive spouse. " I told you to shut the fuck up but you kept talking, so now I'm done." Huh? You are ending your relationship because your partner refuses to obey your every command? WTF? I've said this before and I will say it again, despite all of the irresponsible speculation about whether or not Kris has a drug abuse problem, we've not seen any real evidence of that. However what we have seen is that Kris abuses people. Not necessarily her medicines but she definitely abuses people.

Totally. Kris has huge anger issues along with other issues she can't handle and then lashes out at Jeymi, who did absolutely nothing to provoke Kris except to try and talk to her. Kris pushing her like she did hopefully will be the last straw for Jeymi. Jeymi, go find your equal, someone without boatloads of unresolved anger and someone who can love you for being you. Kris needs to go on a long journey with a therapist to try and work out her multitude of problems.  And then Kris complaining how sick she was on the tell-all. We know she's making it up for what - attention? sympathy? Her choice of clothing makes me think she desperately wants people to notice her. What's her deal? Oh, and she knew she was coming on TV - the roots showing in her hair was not a good look.

If I had a spouse that told me to "shut the fuck up but you kept talking, so now I'm done" and DONE! I'M DONE! DONE! while slithering away I would divorce him immediately.

Agree with you on the drug abuse issue. Personally I'm not convinced of that either. This lady is a total abuser though. I haven't seen any redeeming qualities whatsoever in this "fairy" - what she portrayed in her introduction piece. I bet that she'll be the first to leave the stage in next week's show. In fact, it should happen immediately, as she'll take offense with something or someone within mere minutes.

[1011101010001]

58 minutes ago, athousandclowns said:

I’m confused what episode is tell all part one? I’m looking on my DVR list and it says episode 16 is tell all part 2 a

I’m watching 15 and it’s the wedding and the title is Where There Is Love. It also says on the screen 3-part tell all continues next Sunday. 

Tell All part one is the second hour.

48 minutes ago, magemaud said:

bent over from the waist with her fish mouth open was very unflattering

With the orange and yellow hair coloring she can be a koi for Halloween.

[FrancescaFiore]

2 hours ago, Breedom said:

And then Kris complaining how sick she was on the tell-all. We know she's making it up for what - attention? sympathy? Her choice of clothing makes me think she desperately wants people to notice her.

It never occurred to me until last night, but it must've just BURNED an attention-seeker like Kris to have shared a stage with Debbie, a far more flamboyant and fun fashionista than Kris in her goofy tutus or multiple arm-scarves. Meanwhile, diaphanous Debbie floats in wearing a hot pink boa and green cowboy boots like, "This is just my puttering around the house attire."  

Edited May 15, 2023 by FrancescaFiore

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I wonder if Kris got to bring back the wicked knife from Colombia to add to her collection.

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

I wish this was more tell-nothing than the hour wasted on Jen and Kris. I can't stand any of these morons now. I was rooting for Debbie and Gabe, but dang they all disgust me. Old bookend (aka Danielle) is pretty SOL now that her man looks to be dumping her, I doubt there will be any rentals in a 1000-mile radius that will rent to her in NY with her financial problems. We only heard one poem from the great poet of Morocco and it sucked, his painting although a brief glimpse looks like my dog could do better.  I wonder if Nicole is back to being the door dash girl?

[lightninggirl]

Nicole and Macccchhhmoood completely, absolutely, and positively deserve each other. No one else should be subjected to them romantically. I hope that they stay together forever and die off old and without the chance to fuck up anyone else's lives. Them sitting there at that café table throwing those fake "I love you, you're the best!" bullshit lines never needs to be on my television ever again. They're both foul. Nicole saying in the tell-all that "This year is the year I'm not going to let him tell me anything! I'm not going to listen!" 😂 Oh, my god get real.

Also, fuck Kris, who needs to get to rehab. She's completely unhinged and her reacting physically to Jeymi was absolutely unacceptable. I wonder if that's the first time she's shoved or physically lashed out at her, and I doubt it. She's probably having difficulty getting heroin or fentanyl or whatever opiate/drug she's on in Colombia, and probably thought "COLOMBIA! I'll be able to get my drugs there!" - but the reality was much, much different. Gabe seems to have her number as well. 😂 At the tell-all she's complaining about being 'violently ill' - withdrawals?

Spoiler

Her son's fentanyl arrest made sense. My daughter is an addict and obviously I know the actions of the child are not the actions of the parent, but I also don't act like Kris!

Jen's makeup on the tell-all looked great in the close-ups. 

I have no idea who those people were that were 'commentators.' 🤷🏻‍♀️ I only watched a few episodes of 90 Day Fiance here & there, but have only watched "90 Day The Other Way" in full.

My cousin is in Rabat now on a study abroad, and she only wears jeans and short-sleeved shirts that mostly resemble tshirts. Her host mother literally took her shopping the day after she arrived for dresses because she said it would help my cousin "to adapt better" there. I think Debbie would have had a little more difficulty adapting than she thought she would, so I'm glad that things ended as soon as they did. And "I'm a poet and I'm going to die for my dream" reminds me of my asshole exes who refused to work and then blamed "the man" for "keeping them down" (they were not individuals of color, BTW). 🙄

I love how Yohan's like "help a young dude out." 🙄 Y'all aren't charity cases, my friends. You're individuals and we're not your indefinite sponsors. So sorry you got stuck with a bankrupt asshole.

Edited May 16, 2023 by lightninggirl

[Breedom]

2 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

It never occurred to me until last night, but it must've just BURNED an attention-seeker like Kris to have shared a stage with Debbie, a far more flamboyant and fun fashionista than Kris in her goofy tutus or multiple arm-scarves. Meanwhile, diaphanous Debbie floats in wearing a hot pink boa and green cowboy boots like, "This is just my puttering around the house attire."  

Love this comment. It seems like Debbie doesn't try too hard, her style is just organically her. In the case of Kris she seems to try way too hard to be unique and it just comes off silly and ridiculous. Debbie, in her '60's knows who she is and Kris in her 40's is all over the map. In addition, Kris is shoving, swearing, yelling, falling apart, lying and a mess, while Debbie holds her head up and deals with her broken relationship with Ossama with class.

Debbie and her son should be on PT next - NOT Mr. Big Mouth Gabe, with his nose in everyone's business.

[Zombie Killa]

Debbies son should not be a cop, he seems like he has a hard time containing his feelings. I would hate to be stopped by him, say the wrong thing and BANG!!! Chill out dude, your gonna need meds for your blood pressure.

[Drogo]

16 minutes ago, Zombie Killa said:

Debbies son should not be a cop, he seems like he has a hard time containing his feelings. I would hate to be stopped by him, say the wrong thing and BANG!!! Chill out dude, your gonna need meds for your blood pressure.

I’m mostly intimidated by people who threaten physical violence through international video conferencing.  

[AR Traveler]

Nicole could have shown up at the Tell-All in the same outfit she wore at the cafe (which I loved).  That awful dress was a passive-aggressive great big old middle finger to Machmood.  Is she 40 or 15?  If either of them think Machmood is going to adjust to America, they're both beyond the pale.  I could see Nicole's friend from the yoga class easily adapt.  As Kenny pointed out, Machmood won't even go to the other side of Cairo.  It's one thing in this show when dumb things happen because someone didn't even do any research or ask questions.  What the hell did Nicole expect?  She had already seen Machmood in action and yet went back! They really do deserve each other.

Yeah, I think Debbie had to dangle a few carrots to keep Oussama's interest for that long. Did she actually deceive herself in thinking she was going to marry him and live in Morocco?  I'm 60.  If a 20-something guy, especially from a poor country, started with the soulmate  bullshit, I'm a walking green card.  Come on.  Shades of what's her face and Sojaboy last round.

On that note, Mae West phoned from Heaven and wants her boa back.  For those of you young ones, so help me I  thought of Miss Piggy.  Go ahead, flame and ban me now.

I detest Machmood but Gabe had to butt out  of their hypothetical children's religion.  Of course he's going to want to raise his child as a Muslim.  It's what he knows and loves.  I detect a whiff of "Everyone has to drop everything and cater to my feelings and crises, but I'll be darned if I tolerate any views contrary to my own."  I thought that side of Gabe would come out sooner or later, and it is not a nice picture.

As for Monica, I don't care if I've had a rip-roaring fight with my sibling the night before his wedding; I'll slip into the back if need be but I'm there.  I've been in a similar situation-I didn't like or trust my brother's fiance, rightly predicting she was a user and a taker all the way to the bone.  I was right, but I still supported them on their day.

I wouldn't give a damn who my husband had been sleeping with, pictures and all, because one shove like Kris delivered in Colombia and it's immediate divorce.  I won't speculate on addiction issues, but at the very least there's a hair-trigger temper, highly erratic behavior, and to top it off, being an abusive jerk.  Addiction would be the icing on the top, but all of those traits make a healthy relationship impossible, let alone adding a foreign country.  I just wish Jeymi had had the smarts to say "No, I won't quit my job yet, you can't work here,  let's see how it goes".  I bet there was a little bit of wanting to be taken care of going on.

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54 minutes ago, AR Traveler said:

For those of you young ones, so help me I  thought of Miss Piggy. 

Or Wayland Flowers and Madame.

[JeanJean]

9 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

 Oh, and he will only sell his art to someone who understands it?  And is too superior as a poet to get a job? 

I thought, "But no one's going to buy a painting if they don't like it, so WTF?" And how much does he think poets make in the US? Most of the recognized ones taught and teach to sustain themselves.
Gabe = this year's Jibri. I really liked him before.

[DEL901]

7 hours ago, JeanJean said:

I thought, "But no one's going to buy a painting if they don't like it, so WTF?" And how much does he think poets make in the US? Most of the recognized ones taught and teach to sustain themselves.
Gabe = this year's Jibri. I really liked him before.

He clearly thinks the American Dream means he just has to show up for money to be showered upon him for his artistic genius.   He doesn’t understand the competition.  Debbie probably praised him a lot, and I his mind, he translated this to mean all Americans would throw money at him for his art.   

As for Gabe, I think the show mouse have given him a good edit all season because we needed one couple to route for, but they decided to stop…maybe as punishment when he drove off Momoud.  

[applewood]

23 hours ago, Adeejay said:

Gabe was way out of line with his questioning of Mahmoud regarding his children and religion.  It is none of his business.  I am an Episcopalian.  I was raised one and that is how I raised my children.  They are now adults and can choose for themselves.  They've been lots of Mormons and Jews on this show.  I can't remember religion being discussed. 

Exactly! If a family is Catholic, they raise their kids Catholic. If a family is Baptist. they raise their kids Baptist. etc, etc. When the kid is 18 they can choose whatever religion they want.

I do agree with Gabe on one thing. I hate Kris too! I don't why Kris and Jeymi are even together. They don't seem like they even like each other.

[FrancescaFiore]

You. Guys. I just saw a clip from next week's Tell All where Debbie calls Jeymi a predator. IN WHAT BIZARRO UNIVERSE?? Debbie is the one who fell for an obvious scam. Does Debbie not know that Jeymi is an attorney? Did she not see Kris physically assault Jeymi? I mean, it's clear that Debbie is a bit bonkers, but that clip leads me to believe she's actually quite delusional and may require a conservator.

[Back Atcha]

22 hours ago, magemaud said:

I know she probably had to lean forward to see the screens on the other side of the stage, but Jen sitting there, with her pale legs crossed, bent over from the waist with her fish mouth open was very unflattering. 

Unflattering, perhaps...but one shot with one foot awkwardly/impossibly twisted was VERY IMPRESSIVE.

 

On 5/13/2023 at 5:17 AM, greekmom said:

Ousamma tries to use the word dawg but it comes out like dog.

I think he actually meant DOG...as an insult.   From the 'net:  The word “dog” is one of the most common insults used to humiliate opponents in quarrels in Arabian countries.  "Chelb, the Arabic word for “dog,” is one of the strongest Arabic insults that you can find in this language. 

[Back Atcha]

What happened to my sweet little Gabe? I really liked him, his story.  Is he SO DESPERATE for a reality TV career that he morphed into a COMPLETE JERK?  His wife and his father-in-law had better nip that in the bud.

[Stuckathome]

52 minutes ago, FrancescaFiore said:

where Debbie calls Jeymi a predator. IN WHAT BIZARRO UNIVERSE?? Debbie is the one who fell for an obvious scam. Does Debbie not know that Jeymi is an attorney? Did she not see Kris physically assault Jeymi?

i forgot that Jeymi is an attorney. Debbie is probably buying Kris's narrative that Jeymi has constantly harassed her for money and no, probably has not watched the episodes. I am not sure when they film the tell nothing specials----if it is right after they finish filming the footage that makes up the last episode or if it is filmed during the season's run on tv (so they maybe can see some of the episodes). 

[Stuckathome]

16 hours ago, AR Traveler said:

I just wish Jeymi had had the smarts to say "No, I won't quit my job yet, you can't work here,  let's see how it goes".  I bet there was a little bit of wanting to be taken care of going on.

Did Jeymi relocate within Colombia for Kris? I don't think that she did---in that case, it doesn't make sense that she quit her job before Kris even landed. Especially given her history of being a flake and ghosting her. Sadly, and I may get roasted for this, but whatevs, Jeymi is a refugee from Venezuela. They have inundated the rest of Latin America for years, and it probably is NOT easy for her to find a decent paying job in Colombia. No idea what the laws are in terms of immigrants or refugees working. If she is even there legally. Yes, I do think she was online fishing for someone, anyone, male or female, to take care of her. Face it, a lot of these foreigners can hook an American over an app or Facebook and maybe even get some $$ sent their way for minimal effort. I am guessing it is rare that one of these people actually packs up and gets on the plane and shows up. Thinking back to last season with Mahogany and Ben---for some inexplicable reason they are apparently still together, but when he hopped on the plane to Peru, she seemed shocked and even creeped out that he showed up. Cause, you know she had repeatedly made excuses as to why it was not a good time to come for a visit and stood him up a few times even then. 

Point is, once bonkers Kris actually showed up in person, Jeymi thought well shit, she is here, she has some cash in hand, why not give this a go? I agree they have zero chemistry. And Kris is bonkers and abusive. I do wonder if Jeymi can/will use the footage to still apply for a green card or visa based on the marriage. It is my understanding that the US will let the immigrant stay even if the marriage fails if there is proof of domestic violence/abuse.  

Edited May 16, 2023 by Stuckathome

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, FrancescaFiore said:

You. Guys. I just saw a clip from next week's Tell All where Debbie calls Jeymi a predator. IN WHAT BIZARRO UNIVERSE?? Debbie is the one who fell for an obvious scam. Does Debbie not know that Jeymi is an attorney? Did she not see Kris physically assault Jeymi? I mean, it's clear that Debbie is a bit bonkers, but that clip leads me to believe she's actually quite delusional and may require a conservator.

Don't call Brittney's dad.  Please.

[Back Atcha]

21 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

Debbie is probably buying Kris's narrative that Jeymi has constantly harassed her for money and no, probably has not watched the episodes.

Kris is a lifelong--generations ahead of her--GRIFTER.  Perhaps in that "Green Room" she was super-friendly and charming to "Dibbie," and sucked her in.  Kris is a snake.

22 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

Meanwhile, diaphanous Debbie floats in wearing a hot pink boa and green cowboy boots like, "This is just my puttering around the house attire."  

When I have time (and enough interest), I'm going to research Debbie.  She's a fascinating older woman (15yrs YOUNGER than I).  I think most interesting would be how wealthy she is...or was.  I've always wanted to dress something like that--but it doesn't work if one has only ONE fabulous outfit.  I'd have to have a jammed closet of OUTRAGEOUS before I started my appearances.

[athousandclowns]

19 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

Kris is a lifelong--generations ahead of her--GRIFTER.  Perhaps in that "Green Room" she was super-friendly and charming to "Dibbie," and sucked her in.  Kris is a snake.

When I have time (and enough interest), I'm going to research Debbie.  She's a fascinating older woman (15yrs YOUNGER than I).  I think most interesting would be how wealthy she is...or was.  I've always wanted to dress something like that--but it doesn't work if one has only ONE fabulous outfit.  I'd have to have a jammed closet of OUTRAGEOUS before I started my appearances.

She is a semi precious jewelry maker and artist and that’s what drew her to her young boyfriend. ( their mutual interest in art) . I’m guessing looking at her studio she strings semi precious beads into necklaces etc. i doubt she casts silver settings. I question her kinship with his “art” 

[Shrek]

51 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

Did Jeymi relocate within Colombia for Kris? I don't think that she did---in that case, it doesn't make sense that she quit her job before Kris even landed. Especially given her history of being a flake and ghosting her. Sadly, and I may get roasted for this, but whatevs, Jeymi is a refugee from Venezuela. They have inundated the rest of Latin America for years, and it probably is NOT easy for her to find a decent paying job in Colombia. No idea what the laws are in terms of immigrants or refugees working. If she is even there legally. Yes, I do think she was online fishing for someone, anyone, male or female, to take care of her. Face it, a lot of these foreigners can hook an American over an app or Facebook and maybe even get some $$ sent their way for minimal effort. I am guessing it is rare that one of these people actually packs up and gets on the plane and shows up. Thinking back to last season with Mahogany and Ben---for some inexplicable reason they are apparently still together, but when he hopped on the plane to Peru, she seemed shocked and even creeped out that he showed up. Cause, you know she had repeatedly made excuses as to why it was not a good time to come for a visit and stood him up a few times even then. 

Point is, once bonkers Kris actually showed up in person, Jeymi thought well shit, she is here, she has some cash in hand, why not give this a go? I agree they have zero chemistry. And Kris is bonkers and abusive. I do wonder if Jeymi can/will use the footage to still apply for a green card or visa based on the marriage. It is my understanding that the US will let the immigrant stay even if the marriage fails if there is proof of domestic violence/abuse.  

We must be watching a different program.

[KateHearts]

I am only going to comment on the Tell-All part because frankly, the first half of the show was an absolute snooze-fest. Except for Kris showing her already repugnant self by pretty much accusing Jayme of all the horrible things that she herself is.

I am so, so effing sick of the Americans on this show (looking at you, Gabe) openly scorning and name-calling the foreign cast members simply because they don't do things "like Americans." God knows, we have our own issues and problems in this country that we have NO place ridiculing others. Sure, Maccchhmoud is controlling and has certain expectations of Nicole as a Muslim man in a conservative country- so Gabe feels it's "wrong" and okay to eye-roll and tell him he is no good? You can't judge a person from another culture, another country, another RELIGION based on your own. That's why we get drama on this show in the first place- the Americans always want to go to their soulmate's country and change THEM. Jen, that's you... in India the kids are expected to care for their parents as they age. Nicole, that's you... Muslims in Maccchhmoud's part of Morocco do not have wives that wear plunging necklines and no sleeves. If you don't like it, then reconsider your choice in a mate. 

Now, Oussama is a different story- he wanted to come to the US and played along with Debbie's naiveté until he thought he could railroad her otherwise. I laughed and laughed at his portrayal of himself as an artist who wants to be appreciated and wouldn't "sell underwear." Oh, honey- we all think we are super-special; still, there is reality like paying bills and being able to buy food. 

Kris is so full of shit. I know enough about addict behavior to see her glaring excuses-ahead-of-time: "Ohhh, I've been so sick; I've been throwing up- if I have to leave, don't worry about me!" And her line about (paraphrasing) "we put so much into wanting to care for others..." Barf!

I'm living for next week to hear Yohan put Danielle in her place. Did you see her, all chirpy and "hey, good morning!!" as she sashayed into the studio? Yeah, girl- she's in her home turf of NYC, feelin' herself. She looks genuinely puzzled when others point out that she was controlling and unpleasant. It may be a tease, but the little clip of Yohan saying he doesn't love her the way he used to- I'm here for it.

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, Stuckathome said:

I am not sure when they film the tell nothing specials

The Tell All was filmed in March so unless the participants get some kind of sneak peek, they wouldn't have seen all the episodes. 

1 hour ago, Back Atcha said:

Perhaps in that "Green Room" she was super-friendly and charming to "Dibbie," and sucked her in.  Kris is a snake.

Just like Ousamma! 

[Stuckathome]

8 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

It may be a tease, but the little clip of Yohan saying he doesn't love her the way he used to- I'm here for it.

I really doubt that he will actually divorce her. He may hate her right now----she dangled the green card dream in front of him when she had zero intention of bringing him to the US, she emasculated him and talked down to him, and I could go on and on. But, as long as they stay married there is that glimmer of hope that he can get to the US. I thought it was so ridiculous that they had her "ex" ---and I say that in quotation marks because it sounds like they just sort of hooked up and shacked up for a few months because Covid lockdown happened. This wasn't some deep love affair or serious relationship that went on for extended time--giving him advice on Danielle's personality ("she won't change who she is") and what she wants. I thought, you barely knew this woman! WTF. Can you imagine if Yohan had forced Danielle to sit down with one of his ex lovers to chat and the woman started giving her advice on how to treat Yohan? She would have flipped out. I HOPE he does cut ties, divorces her broke ass and finds happiness. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

I'm hoping someone in authority saw Daniele coming back to the U.S., and served her with paperwork for her humongous debts, including massive student loans she owes to the taxpayers (if they're government loans), or private loan companies.  

Unless she pays her student loan debt off, when she gets a pension at 62, it will all be garnished.  

Edited May 17, 2023 by CrazyInAlabama

[Drogo]

1 hour ago, magemaud said:

Just like Ousamma! 

Dibbie falls for that shit every time from every shithead.

[bichonblitz]

What is Rishi going to add to the Tell All? Ohhh, I love her and want to keep fighting! Shut up, dude, you are not going anywhere or fighting for anything. You had your 15 minutes, go back to your mom.

Why is Gabe in the US and Isobel home? They're married, right? 

 

[Drogo]

7 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Why is Gabe in the US and Isobel home? They're married, right? 

There wasn’t room on the plane for her whatwith all the audacity he packed.

[JayDub1987]

Gabe getting snippy about Mackmoodswing’s religion was just his way of throwing off on the religious people who criticized him. He talked about them earlier in the season when he was “scared of talking to the father in law.” Sorry, just because somebody was mean to you in the name of religion doesn’t mean you get to criticize everyone who believes in their religion. 

[KateHearts]

3 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

What happened to my sweet little Gabe? I really liked him, his story.  Is he SO DESPERATE for a reality TV career that he morphed into a COMPLETE JERK?  His wife and his father-in-law had better nip that in the bud.

Perhaps the market for underwear complete with inserts isn't as lucrative as he wants it to be...

3 hours ago, Stuckathome said:

Jeymi is a refugee from Venezuela. They have inundated the rest of Latin America for years, and it probably is NOT easy for her to find a decent paying job in Colombia.

Not to mention, over the past several years I don't think ANY job in Venezuela paid much of anything. I had a Venezuelan coworker whose father was a physician there; he was a government employee, made next to zero, and with all of the political unrest and economic collapse over the past decade or so, couldn't even sell his home for enough to be able to leave.

[JayDub1987]

4 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

What happened to my sweet little Gabe? I really liked him, his story.  Is he SO DESPERATE for a reality TV career that he morphed into a COMPLETE JERK?  His wife and his father-in-law had better nip that in the bud.

Being on TV doesn’t make someone a jerk. It just highlights what they already were. High pressure breaks bad pipes. 

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I'm hoping someone in authority saw Daniele coming back to the U.S., and served her with paperwork for her humongous debts, including massive student loans she owes to the taxpayers (if they're government loans), or private loan companies.  

and fine her for not returning her NY license plates. Unfortunately, she's probably not on any kind of wanted/scofflaw list. 

[magemaud]

44 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Why is Gabe in the US and Isobel home? They're married, right? 

At the time of filming, at least, so were Danielle and Yohan and Nicole and Mahmoud. I don't think the foreign partners come to the US for the Tell All unless they already moved here. The Other Way couples aren't supposed to move to the US, although 99% of them eventually seem to do if they stay together. Remember Jenny was in NYC without Sumit (and others whom I can't remember off the top of my head.) 

[1011101010001]

1 hour ago, KateHearts said:

Perhaps the market for underwear complete with inserts isn't as lucrative as he wants it to be...

He buys premade underwear and just sews the bulge in.  Can’t anyone do that at home?

1 hour ago, KateHearts said:

I had a Venezuelan coworker whose father was a physician there; he was a government employee, made next to zero

I wonder if that is the same thing with Pedro’s mom being a lawyer in the DR but always begging for money.  

Edited May 16, 2023 by MrBuhBye

[Quof]

Presumably Jeymi's law degree was from Venezuela? Did she ever even practise law there? She probably couldn't practise in Colombia.

As to why the foreigners weren't present for the Tell All, leaving aside issues of visas or ESTAs,until last week the US still required non-citizens to be fully vaccinated against Covid to enter the country.  

[1011101010001]

2 minutes ago, Quof said:

Did she ever even practise law there? She probably couldn't practise in Colombia.

I know she was working at a law firm but maybe in a support staff role.

4 minutes ago, Quof said:

until last week the US still required non-citizens to be fully vaccinated against Covid to enter the country

Oh great we get that goofy tennis player now.

[Quof]

Novaxx Djocovid.

[JayDub1987]

39 minutes ago, MrBuhBye said:

He buys premade underwear and just sews the bulge in.  Can’t anyone do that at home?

They can. But then their underwear won’t come with a heart warming story. Would you wanna wear underwear that didn’t have a touching story? Wait…that sounds worse than I meant it to. 

[1011101010001]

17 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

They can. But then their underwear won’t come with a heart warming story. Would you wanna wear underwear that didn’t have a touching story? Wait…that sounds worse than I meant it to. 

“Preworn by Gabe while shooting hoops with his bad influence friend.”

[greekmom]

2 hours ago, Quof said:

As to why the foreigners weren't present for the Tell All, leaving aside issues of visas or ESTAs,until last week the US still required non-citizens to be fully vaccinated against Covid to enter the country.  

I'm flying out on Thursday to the US (Canadian here) and according to the requirements to enter "Proof of Covid-19 vaccination is not required for United States."

3 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

He buys premade underwear and just sews the bulge in.  Can’t anyone do that at home?

I wonder if that is the same thing with Pedro’s mom being a lawyer in the DR but always begging for money.  

But it's not just ANY bulge. Gabe makes the bulges. So you can get whatever size you want.

You can tell Gabe is also trying to get the attention to get a spot on Pillow Talk or HEA.  He's not that interesting (which is a good thing).  I can see Debbie and her kid getting the Pillow Talk spot.

Edited May 17, 2023 by greekmom

[Kiss my mutt]

You can buy underwear complete with bulge on wish.com. Also biker shorts. Don’t ask me how I know.  
He could buy them there to resell with a huge markup with his story. 

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3 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

You can buy underwear complete with bulge on wish.com. Also biker shorts. Don’t ask me how I know.  
He could buy them there to resell with a huge markup with his story. 

Hey some cis men might want to enhance their bulges.

[magemaud]

6 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

“Preworn by Gabe while shooting hoops with his bad influence friend.”

But Gabe doesn’t need his own product anymore. I’m still curious to see his new Coca-Cola can. 

[Quof]

7 hours ago, greekmom said:

I'm flying out on Thursday to the US (Canadian here) and according to the requirements to enter "Proof of Covid-19 vaccination is not required for United States."

Yes, as I said until last week.

[Stuckathome]

14 hours ago, Quof said:

Presumably Jeymi's law degree was from Venezuela? Did she ever even practise law there? She probably couldn't practise in Colombia.

honestly don't remember her saying she was a lawyer, someone mentioned it on this forum.....if so, then yes it was most likely in Venezuela and that wouldn't let her practice in Colombia without additional studies or licenses (assume it is the same as those who come to the US with a foreign professional degree). Venezuelan laws are not the same as Colombian naturally....Or she could have just said she was working in a law firm in Colombia, and yes then very well could have been in an admin type role. Very likely a low paying job and I would not be surprised if she had scammed multiple women and men online out of whatever she could get. Hell, at this point she could be a cam girl like Ximena from a previous season. Lots of professional women with decent salaries in the US have side gigs on OF and earn more there from men watching them smash cakes or roll around in their panties. Nothing shocks me anymore. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Stuckathome

[Shrek]

15 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

 

I wonder if that is the same thing with Pedro’s mom being a lawyer in the DR but always begging for money.  

Because no lawyer has ever been convicted of scamming people.

[suzeecat]

Dibby was giving me Liberace vibes.  Anyone over the age of 60 (anyone?) will get the reference:

 

13 hours ago, greekmom said:

  I can see Debbie and her kid getting the Pillow Talk spot.

I would watch just to see what Dibby wears to watch TV in!