S42.E09: Game of Chicken

[Whimsy]

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One castaway will be the last standing in the fight for immunity, earning themselves a spot in the final 8.

Original airdate 4/27/22

[momlyd]

This is not what I expected to see tonight. Wow.

[LanceM]

Well it was fun while it lasted but now with Tori gone my interest in this season has just taken a nosedive.

[DEL901]

Wow.   I am impressed.  MaryAnne showed another side.  She is a seminary student, but unlike Shan last season, she is really living her calling.  

[bunnyface]

I can't tell anyone how to feel, but Daniel, Zack and the other girl, sorry, can't think of her name, were all voted out before these guys, so how did it become strictly a racial issue?  

[Haleth]

My goodness. There is more to Maryanne than we’ve seen before. She was so right about the burdens they all carry. So well said.

Jonathan, just keep quiet. 

I couldn’t believe the IC was over by 8:13. 

[DEL901]

Well….Jonathan just assured that he has zero chance of winning if he makes it to the end….in fact, he now joins Romeo as a good goat.  

[Carey]

The race thing being brought in here was tough to watch. I didn't think it needed to be brought up, I agree. I DO get it, but just not here.  Short of that, this episode had pretty much everything.  Except an IC in the last 45 minutes as mentioned

[ByaNose]

I hate when real issues come into play on Survivor. It’s like saying that it’s okay for them to vote out the white players? Also, they were all totally shocked that Rocks was voted out. Even Jonathan. That said, it was pretty powerful stuff and Maryann was all get out. That girl has got backbone and an opinion. Good for her. 

[ChiefWiggum9-1-2]

6 of 41 Survivor champs have been African-American.  Or 14.6%. 
 
African-Americans make up 12-13% of the population of the United States. 
 

Just sayin’

[LadyChatts]

I didn't think I would miss Tori, but since it came down to her and Lindsey (who I find boring), I wanted her to stay.  I think MaryAnne handled that vote well with Tori.  

I do wonder if it ever crossed anyone's mind that Rocks might have gotten voted out through bad luck.  Like, Romeo played his shot in the dark, and one of the other guys pulled a Chanelle and threw their vote his way because they were afraid they would be targeted otherwise.  

Drea made the comment that she's approaching the game differently after tonight and will be playing more strategically, which is how I thought she was playing all along.  Interesting to see what she means by that.  I won't say her reaction was confusing, but she didn't seem to have any problem voting off Chanelle last week.  MaryAnne didn't, and looked surprised that Chanelle left (no idea if she really was or not so I'll be curious if that gets brought up when she does exit interviews).

Jonathan, on the other hand-man, I kept waiting for some cartoon sound effect to happen when Lindsey brought up the very valid point that trying to blindside Drea could actually cost them MaryAnne.  

Edited April 28, 2022 by LadyChatts

[Lady Calypso]

This episode went in a direction I did NOT expect at all. But it was kind of nice. 

Very proud of how Maryanne was able to articulate her feelings and thoughts in that way. It showed a side of her that makes it clear she's not someone to be underestimated, because she's really smart and intuitive. 

I felt bad for Drea. She immediately recognized a pattern all too familiar in these types of games and put her foot down. And I felt horrible when Jonathan called her aggressive when she wasn't, not even a little bit. I'm now off the Jonathan train. Him being part of Misogyny Club should have clued me in, but I guess I was hoping that he was still a decent guy. Apparently not. Him speaking down to Lindsay earlier in the episode really gave me bad vibes, and it only continued to Tribal.

Shame that Tori had to leave as a result of an emotionally-charged tribal, but it had to be done. She also didn't say anything (nor should she have, but Lindsay even spoke up against Jonathan's accusation) but still.

I'm glad Rocksroy went, too. Boy tried to create a Misogyny Club and also was spewing very subtle misogynistic remarks. Hence why I don't like him, Jonathan, or Mike (who also has warning bells going off in my head). Good on Hai and Omar for recognizing this and being "nah, I'm out." 

[DEL901]

First Jonathan talked over Lyndsey and wouldn’t even consider her words.  Then he is more focused on him seeming racist than listening to Drea’s words.  And on what planet was she aggressive?   He thought Lyndsey was aggressive too.   I don’t think he is racist so much as ….maybe naive is the wrong word…unaware, maybe?   

[mojoween]

Oh Jonathan it wasn’t about you and please do not ever call a woman aggressive who is just TALKING to you.

It didn’t seem like Drea and Maryann were saying that Rocks getting voted out was racial (I mean, the three of them voted for Chanelle), but the visual of it was stunning and it made them feel things that other people can empathize with, but not relate to.  Like Jonathan.

It was nice he was hugging Drea by the end, but I feel like he still doesn’t think he did anything wrong.  He was an ass to Lindsey too.

I knew I was right about him during the preview at the end of last season!  I don’t feel good about this.

[Lamima]

Well...my very fave show ever and I am out. Not sure how that 2nd vote went where it did. So far south. I just want to see Outwit Outplay Outlast. Not this...whatever it has become. I am over and out. Ruined a real social experiment. As anthropology student it was the golden rule to not be involved. So to see such machinations in what is supposed to be a social experiment...nope, not for me.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Lamima

[PaperTree]

Did they tell Maryanne to vote Drea even after she announced she was playing her idol?

Dumb.  Just tell her Tori and be done with it.  Then that whole thing wouldn't have happened.

Edited April 28, 2022 by PaperTree

[Haleth]

3 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I kept waiting for some cartoon sound effect to happen when Lindsey brought up the very valid point that trying to blindside Drea could actually cost them MaryAnne.  

Yeah, it was like it never occurred to him that this might happen. Then he was so insistent Drea would never play her idol. Really?

[ProfCrash]

Jonathon, there is a time to feel defensive and a time to listen. This is the time to listen. You know how you have treated the folks out there, so shut up.

Oh, and listen to Lindsey, especially when she is right. His brilliant plan would have gotten Maryann out. 

Maryann and Drea were really honest tonight. They saw the pattern and were confronted with the history of the game and reacted. I think they were clear that they don’t there is anything overt racist but that they saw the pattern and were not going to continue it. They were both cognizant of the baggage they bring in and I think they wanted to believe that it wasn’t in the game and then they saw something that reminded them of the history in the game and in the world. 

That was so much more real then anything that happened in 41. 

[ByaNose]

Now, I know what Chenille meant about Jonathan in her word association game last week. She was at this Tribal Council and saw the good and Bad of Jonathan. 

[phlebas]

The one muscle group Jonathan hasn't developed is the one that holds the mouth closed.

[LadyChatts]

3 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

Jonathon, there is a time to feel defensive and a time to listen. This is the time to listen. You know how you have treated the folks out there, so shut up.

Oh, and listen to Lindsey, especially when she is right. His brilliant plan would have gotten Maryann out. 

Maryann and Drea were really honest tonight. They saw the pattern and were confronted with the history of the game and reacted. I think they were clear that they don’t there is anything overt racist but that they saw the pattern and were not going to continue it. They were both cognizant of the baggage they bring in and I think they wanted to believe that it wasn’t in the game and then they saw something that reminded them of the history in the game and in the world. 

That was so much more real then anything that happened in 41. 

The thing is, assuming it was a normal TC tonight and Drea played her idol, I can't believe MaryAnne would have been stupid enough not to play hers.  So that would have left Tori and Lindsey.  Then what?  If neither of them played their shot in the dark and didn't have their names written down, would it have been rocks?  So Lindsey could have gone.  I get where Jonathan was going with that, but he clearly didn't think it through.  Even Lindsey didn't seem like she could believe it.  And I still hate the mentality of Taku that MaryAnne's idol and extra vote is for them to use whenever they feel like. 

[LadyChatts]

12 minutes ago, PaperTree said:

Did they tell Maryanne to vote Drea even after she announced she was playing her idol?

Dumb.  Just tell her Tori and be done with it.  Then that whole thing wouldn't have happened.

I think Lindsey told Tori to vote Drea.

[ByaNose]

The weird thing was that Rocks was voted out because he was trying to start an all guys alliance. Some of  those didn’t want it. It had nothing to do with race. 

[Carey]

There has been success (and failure) toward an all-female alliance, but I probably wouldn't bet on a six man final (which would've been impossible in this season post IC).  Just play the game and vote out your threats & keep the people that best help you succeed, regardless of race or gender

[ProfCrash]

1 minute ago, ByaNose said:

The weird thing was that Rocks was voted out because he was trying to start an all guys alliance. Some of  those didn’t want it. It had nothing to do with race. 

The vote wasn’t about race. I think everyone on that group was a minority. Mike and Rocksroy are Black, Omar is a Muslim, Romeo is Hispanic. Hai is Asian. That is not what Drea or Maryann was saying. 

They were looking at the fact that two Blacks were voted out back to back and it reminded them of how hard it is for Black people to win. It reminded them of the baggage that they carry, even if they don’t think that the people they were playing with were racist. It was more of a sledgehammer reminder of the barriers that Black people face in the world. 

I am not going to get what they were feeling because I don’t share the history they do and I don’t see the day to day implications of being Black. The extra scrutiny and burden. Seeing two Black people voted out back to back was a visual reminder of what they face in the real world.

[iMonrey]

This got real ugly real fast. I understand where Drea and Maryanne were coming from, but the first five people voted out were not black. Four were white and one was Asian. Chanelle and Rocksroy just happened to be the first two jurors. And Chanelle was on borrowed time anyway. Yeah, three people of color being voted out in a row isn't a good look, but if half the cast is non-white that's bound to happen. If they're basing their choices on the optics now it's not a real game anymore.

To me, this was a massive failure of game structure. First of all, how horrible for Rocksroy to get voted out and have to immediately go sit on the jury and watch everyone continue to play. When you're voted out you should get some down time to decompress and process what just happened to you, away from the people who just voted your ass out.

And then you wind up with five people who collectively have about seven different idols and advantages between them and there's also a shot in the dark, so there's no real strategy left at that point. It comes down to whoever didn't have an advantage to protect themselves with. For Tori it was basically a coin toss. 

They've ruined this game with all the gimmicks. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by iMonrey

[LadyChatts]

8 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

The weird thing was that Rocks was voted out because he was trying to start an all guys alliance. Some of  those didn’t want it. It had nothing to do with race. 

Worth noting that he was on a completely non-white team, too, so someone that is counted as a person of color was leaving in at least one of the boots tonight.  And Rocks really did it to himself.  He and Mike clearly overestimated how happy Omar and Hai would be to join an all-guys alliance.  Omar, once again, made a very logical conclusion that if he teamed up with the guys, he was on the bottom, and would never be able to win immunity against Jonathan or Mike.

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by LadyChatts

[Runningwild]

I’m out. I’m sick of this crap. The vote wasn’t about race at all. Drea and Maryanne made it about race. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Runningwild

[LadyChatts]

9 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

This got real ugly real fast. I understand where Drea and Maryanne were coming from, but the first five people voted out were not black. Four were white and one was Asian. Chanelle and Rocksroy just happened to be the first two jurors. And Chanelle was on borrowed time anyway.

To me, this was a massive failure of game structure. First of all, how horrible for Rocksroy to get voted out and have to immediately go sit on the jury and watch everyone continue to play. When you're voted out you should get some down time to decompress and process what just happened to you, away from the people who just voted your ass out.

And then you wind up with five people who collectively have about seven different idols and advantages between them and there's also a shot in the dark, so there's no real strategy left at that point. It comes down to whoever didn't have an advantage to protect themselves with. For Tori it was basically a coin toss. 

They've ruined this game with all the gimmicks. 

I wonder if after this season we won't see this gimmick again with the double boot at TC, where the group is divided into two teams.  Because seeing Rocksroy on the jury first clearly impacted the second TC.  Somehow I don't think Rocks seeing Drea and Chanelle sitting there if Drea had gone first would have had the same impact.  And there were 3 white players in the 11 person merge, so while statistics has never been my thing, having the players that are POC being voted off seems like it'd be at a higher rate anyway.  I do think if it had been the 10 person TC tonight the vote would have been very different.  Also, that challenge was really ridiculous.  Most of the people who fell didn't even have a fighting chance because of the waves and wind.  We could have wound up with different winners otherwise.  

Tori really didn't have a chance.  That's why I was praying her shot in the dark would have her safe.

Edited April 28, 2022 by LadyChatts

[ByaNose]

About the vote itself. Who was going to be voted out? Drea or Tori?

[vb68]

 

1 hour ago, LadyChatts said:

And I still hate the mentality of Taku that MaryAnne's idol and extra vote is for them to use whenever they feel like. 

I'm waiting for that to be Jonathan's justification for targeting MaryAnne next. They didn't get to use her idol. I can see Jonathan going there.

I think maybe  my favorite thing in the episode was Maryanne saying "You know what? Everyone can hear what I'm saying."   Sad that that was refreshing. But with all the whispering, it really was. and Maryanne expertly explained her dilemma  to Tori.  I wish I had seen more of Maryanne and Tori together. they apparently really got on well. Seems like an underdeveloped narrative.

Edited April 28, 2022 by vb68

[LadyChatts]

1 minute ago, ByaNose said:

About the vote itself. Who was going to be voted out? Drea or Tori?

Honestly, I think Tori.  If it was a normal TC, my gut says Drea played her idol and instead of voting for MaryAnne, voted for Tori.  She didn't like or trust Tori, and if she thought Jonathan was paranoid about idols in the game, that could be something she could have used against MaryAnne after this vote.  Of course that was a ruse Jonathan was using with her, but she could have ran with it.  She also could have stolen an idol, so felt comfortable playing hers.  She may still steal Mike's.

[DEL901]

Well, they do like to call Survivor a social experiment.   This isn’t the first time race has come up, and such discussions can be uncomfortable, but I thought Drea, and especially MaryAnne, were articulate and speaking their truth…they weren’t making accusations of racism or lecturing or “speaking aggressively“.  Jeff asked what they were feeling and they told him.  Their daily challenges spilled into the game…aka social experiment.   And if it made some people uncomfortable (looking at you Jonathan), sometimes that’s when you learn.  

As for Rocksroy…. He forgot the cardinal rule of Survivor…when they aren’t talking strategy with you, they are talking about you.  

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, ByaNose said:

About the vote itself. Who was going to be voted out? Drea or Tori?

That's the interesting thing about it. Jonathan wanted Drea's idol to be flushed. I think his goal was to get her out, but I think there was the secondary plan that, if she played the idol, then Maryanne was actually going to go. Jonathan stupidly didn't consider this, but it was gonna be Drea or Maryanne before Tribal.

3 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

.  Somehow I don't think Rocks seeing Drea and Chanelle sitting there if Drea had gone first would have had the same impact. 

Yeah, but like those BIG MANLY MEN WHO ARE A MINORITY IN SURVIVOR would say, "they" are more rigid in their decisions while these pesky girls panic and flip flop, so of course Rocks would never make such an emotional decision last second.

Sorry, I did enjoy Rocks being moved by Drea/Maryanne's choices, but he absolutely wouldn't have done what they did and that's partially rooted in his own misogyny. 

[ProfCrash]

1 minute ago, vb68 said:

I thought it was a little bit weird that nobody in the first group going to TC (like say, Omar) gave a big hint to anybody in the second group of what might happen. But that might have been against the rules even though I don't think they said that on camera.

 

How could they have given a hint? They were at different camps as soon as the challenge ended. At that time everyone thought it would be Romeo. The fact that it was Rocksroy was a huge surprise.

[vb68]

Just now, ProfCrash said:

They were at different camps as soon as the challenge ended.

Sorry. Didn't catch that part. That makes sense, though.

[Runningwild]

8 minutes ago, vb68 said:

I'm waiting for that to be Jonathan's justification for targeting MaryAnne next. They didn't get to use her idol. I can see Jonathan going there.

Are you saying he has no justification for wanting her out? I’d say he has a couple reasons. None of them have to do with her race. 

[vb68]

13 minutes ago, Runningwild said:

Are you saying he has no justification for wanting her out? I’d say he has a couple reasons. None of them have to do with her race. 

I'm saying that he felt entitled to her Idol.  in fairness, everyone else on that tribe did, too.  But he has been very clear that he wanted MaryAnne out as soon as possible. And not getting to use her idol could be the next excuse. Yes, it could be problematic in bringing that up, but Jonathan seemed very thick headed on the whole subject.

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She also could have stolen an idol, so felt comfortable playing hers.  She may still steal Mike's.

If she does use her steal a vote advantage, I'm guessing it has to be on Mike's Idol now unless someone else finds another one.  I don't think here was any chance she was going to steal MaryAnne's Idol given how emotional both Drea and Maryanne were at tribal.

Edited April 28, 2022 by vb68

[KaveDweller]

43 minutes ago, Carey said:

There has been success (and failure) toward an all-female alliance, but I probably wouldn't bet on a six man final (which would've been impossible in this season post IC).  Just play the game and vote out your threats & keep the people that best help you succeed, regardless of race or gender

There have been attempts at all male alliances before. I think they've just never been successful. Female alliances usually aren't successful either, at least not at going all the way to the end. 

30 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

I wonder if after this season we won't see this gimmick again with the double boot at TC, where the group is divided into two teams.  Because seeing Rocksroy on the jury first clearly impacted the second TC.  Somehow I don't think Rocks seeing Drea and Chanelle sitting there if Drea had gone first would have had the same impact.  And there were 3 white players in the 11 person merge, so while statistics has never been my thing, having the players that are POC being voted off seems like it'd be at a higher rate anyway.  I do think if it had been the 10 person TC tonight the vote would have been very different.  Also, that challenge was really ridiculous.  Most of the people who fell didn't even have a fighting chance because of the waves and wind.  We could have wound up with different winners otherwise.  

Tori really didn't have a chance.  That's why I was praying her shot in the dark would have her safe.

I'm sure we will see it again. I'm sure Jeff thought that this was an awesome episode/tribal.

 

[princelina]

33 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

This got real ugly real fast. I understand where Drea and Maryanne were coming from, but the first five people voted out were not black. Four were white and one was Asian. Chanelle and Rocksroy just happened to be the first two jurors. And Chanelle was on borrowed time anyway. Yeah, three people of color being voted out in a row isn't a good look, but if half the cast is non-white that's bound to happen. If they're basing their choices on the optics now it's not a real game anymore.

Thanks for stating this better than I could!  To me - if I were going to go on Survivor, my main desire (aside from actually winning) would be to get on the jury.  At this point the only white people left were Tori, Jonathan and Lindsay(?) so isn't it great that all of these black people made it to the jury? is another way of looking at it.   If they had seen Romeo sitting there, would his lighter skin/different ethnicity made it okay?  But he's also gay - what about that?  What if it were Omar the Muslim?  Now that a white person has been voted off, can a black person go next week or must it be an Asian?  Or do they need to insert a white person between each "person of color"?  Oh well, Jonathan and Lindsay, thanks for playing, but your skin tone is next. It's a disappointment when this season and this season's cast has been so enjoyable.

On another note, I thought Tori went out nicely.   

 

[pennben]

1 hour ago, Lamima said:

As anthropology student it was the golden rule to not be involved. So to see such machinations in what is supposed to be a social experiment...nope, not for me.

I am sincerely asking how what happened tonight in the "forming of a society" that Survivor purports to be made you see machinations beyond what are typical machinations in Survivor? 

[princelina]

11 minutes ago, pennben said:

I am sincerely asking how what happened tonight in the "forming of a society" that Survivor purports to be made you see machinations beyond what are typical machinations in Survivor? 

Does Survivor still say that?  In all fairness to Survivor - I can't remember them talking about "forming societies" for decades 😄

[pennben]

I honestly don't know.  I flip in and out every season.  Was just legitimately asking why an anthropology student would specifically object to this episode.  That's all.  

[LadyChatts]

27 minutes ago, princelina said:

Thanks for stating this better than I could!  To me - if I were going to go on Survivor, my main desire (aside from actually winning) would be to get on the jury.  At this point the only white people left were Tori, Jonathan and Lindsay(?) so isn't it great that all of these black people made it to the jury? is another way of looking at it.   If they had seen Romeo sitting there, would his lighter skin/different ethnicity made it okay?  But he's also gay - what about that?  What if it were Omar the Muslim?  Now that a white person has been voted off, can a black person go next week or must it be an Asian?  Or do they need to insert a white person between each "person of color"?  Oh well, Jonathan and Lindsay, thanks for playing, but your skin tone is next. It's a disappointment when this season and this season's cast has been so enjoyable.

On another note, I thought Tori went out nicely.   

 

I think she was frustrated, and I really can't blame her.  I was actually disappointed, because I thought if Tori got voted off, she'd totally throw Drea and anyone else under the bus on her way out. 

Some people on SM are pointing out that Drea is kind of a hypocrite, since she and Rocks both voted Chanelle out last week, and she may have been more concerned for her actual game than anything else.  I don't believe she was being insincere with her thoughts by any stretch, but when they first went to tribal and you saw the wheels spinning, I did wonder if she realized she maybe made a poor choice voting off Chanelle now that Rocks was gone (because weren't they supposed to be tight?)  Considering this all happened before this cast saw S41 or BB23 and the cookout alliance, I wonder if their perceptions would have been different in seeing strides made with those reality shows.  Hard to say.  I will be curious how next season gets edited.  TPTB are treading waters they've never touched before with these past two seasons.

[Chicago Redshirt]

2 hours ago, bunnyface said:

I can't tell anyone how to feel, but Daniel, Zack and the other girl, sorry, can't think of her name, were all voted out before these guys, so how did it become strictly a racial issue?  

No one said it was "strictly a racial issue." In fact, the reasons both Rocksroy and Chanelle got the boot had nothing to do with their race. As people here have said, Rocksroy was voted off entirely by non-white players because of traits that had nothing to do with his race -- he was stubborn and was deemed to hard to work with down the line. And although it was not fully stated, because Romeo is someone who is not (at least, judging by the three other people who could have voted for him) seemingly a social game threat or an immunity challenge threat. Chanelle's ouster was instigated and insisted upon by Mike, another Black player, because Chanelle lied to him and also wrote his name down for no reason.

Even taking it as purely the coincidence it is that the first two players voted off in the merge are Black, then there's yet another layer of coincidence that instead of going for what should have been an easy vote (hmm, the annoying woman who has no allies/ties and yet who has won two individual immunities is still around). somebody who happens to be a big White dude from Alabama stirs the pot and comes up with a plan that puts the two Black women at risk. And the Black women seemingly know that he's doing this. Now Jonathan is seemingly a good dude from everything we've seen. I have no reason to think that he's any more racist than anyone who has grown up in a society that has been fueled by overt and subconscious racism for centuries. But I hope people can understand why Drea and Maryanne's Spidey-senses would be tingling at all this. 

Among the things I wonder: could they have made the same stance without burning both their idols? Like it seems that they could trust that if the three voted out Drea or Maryanne at that moment after bringing up race would 100 percent ensure they could not win the million. They would almost certainly have Rocks, Chanelle and Drea/Maryanne as a solid three votes against them and they would just get destroyed in FTC when at least one person would bring it up. Did they really do that primarily to appease potential viewer criticism or what?

2 hours ago, Lamima said:

Well...my very fave show ever and I am out. Not sure how that 2nd vote went where it did. So far south. I just want to see Outwit Outplay Outlast. Not this...whatever it has become. I am over and out. Ruined a real social experiment. As anthropology student it was the golden rule to not be involved. So to see such machinations in what is supposed to be a social experiment...nope, not for me.

Sorry to see it go. But as an anthropology student, you hopefully realize race is going to often be a variable in any social setting. Indeed, for me, it's been surprising that it has not been as overt of one in Survivor as gender has been as a way to try to quickly bond with people or manipulate them.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Chicago Redshirt

[DEL901]

1 hour ago, bunnyface said:

I can't tell anyone how to feel, but Daniel, Zack and the other girl, sorry, can't think of her name, were all voted out before these guys, so how did it become strictly a racial issue?  

Maybe it felt like the black players were “allowed” to make it just so far and are now being relegated to the jury. Drea and MaryAnne has no way of knowing why Rocksroy was voted out over Romeo, just that he was, and if Drea went, then she would be #3, even though she was a target due to her plethora of advantages, not race.  This wasn’t about logic, it was about the gut punch of the visuals of the jury.  YMMV.

As for Mike, he is going to be insufferable…more insufferable as he still thinks he is running things…and Omar as to be careful about playing both sides.   It could bite him in the ass.  

Edited April 28, 2022 by DEL901

[North of Eden]

Well that got real ugly real quick and the worst part about it was all for nothing because Rox didn't get voted out because of his race but because Omar fancies himself as a puppet master and Hai is a untrustworthy creep. Blame them for all the chaos that unfolded in one of the most umcomfortable tribals ever.

The shock of losing her closest allie put Drea in a bad place mentally and she jumped to a conclusion with no facts.

Maryann should NOT have burned her idol. The time to form the Cookout 2.0 was weeks ago...not  after it was too late.

Mike you gotta be kidding me...you wouldn't shut up for weeks about Chanelle being a betrayer and you do the same thing? HYPOCRITE!

I was horrified that Johnathan didn't even consider they would loose Maryanne by throwing votes her way if Drea played the idol. Lindsey was 100% correct. With that said people saying Johnathan  is now a goat are way overreacting. That is not realistic.

I would have belt horrible if Lindsey had gone  home as a victem of the shot in the dark.

Edited April 28, 2022 by North of Eden

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

Well that got real ugly real quick and the worst part about it was all for nothing because Rox didn't get voted out because of his race but because Omar fancies himself as a puppet master and Hai is a untrustworthy creep. Blame them for all the chaos that unfolded in one of the most umcomfortable tribals ever.

The shock of losing her closest allie but Drea in a bad place mentally and she jumped to a conclusion with no facts.

Maryann should NOT have burned her idol. The time to form the Cookout 2.0 was weeks ago...not  after it was too late.

Mike you gotta be kidding me...you wouldn't shut up for weeks about Chanelle being a betrayer and you do the same thing? HYPORCRITE!

I would have belt horrible if Lindsey had gone  home as a victem of the shot in the dark.

I can’t say I’m seeing the “ugly”.   Emotional, yes, but I thought Drea was feeling despair more than anything and MaryAnne did a great job of articulating her feelings.   

And Tori has been dead castaway walking for some time   

 

[princelina]

13 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

Mike you gotta be kidding me...you wouldn't shut up for weeks about Chanelle being a betrayer and you do the same thing? HYPORCRITE!

Did he?  I thought the votes for Rockroy were Romeo, Omar and Hai.

[MerBearHou]

The fact that Tribal #2 got to see who had just been voted off was a major game-changer and IMO not a fair one.  The optics of Chanelle and likely a seething RocksRoy sitting next to each other changed everything instantly before the 2nd vote-off.  

I’m not a Tori fan but I hated that 2nd tribal.