S11.E16: Threats and Promises

[charming]

It's disappointing that Crystal is auditioning for the role of Teddi 2.0

Crystal's getting rightfully dragged for co-signing Erika's bs. Kathy also chimed in saying it's okay that Erika reacted that way towards Sutton cause she was triggered. 

I hope they bring on someone who's friends with Garcelle or Sutton next season who can stand up and not be afraid of defending themselves.

 

[Talented Tenth]

11 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

posting the shit she does on Instagram while giving a big middle finger to people who will never see the money they were entitled to she pretty much attacks her own character.. Erika can kick fucking rocks 

She didn't steal the money and if she didn't know why she be punished for Tom's actions?  People are constantly attacking her with no proof.  Is she supposed to just take it? For every action there is a reaction.  Just because there is an Erika hate train, she's supposed to modify her behavior and who she is for people who aren't being fair to her in the first place? I'd give my ass to kiss to everyone too who was accusing me of something with no proof.  It's scary to me how easily people condemn, convict and assassinate someone's character without indisputable proof.

[chick binewski]

1 minute ago, Talented Tenth said:

Who TF is Sutton to be questioning Erika?  Sutton is not a trial lawyer and Erika isn't on the stand.  Erika is a co-worker/"friend" and Tom's embezzlement has absolutely nothing to do with Sutton "Fragility" Stracke.  If you insinuated one of your co-workers/friends was lying and/or complicit if their husband was charged with fraud at an unrelated job, you'd probably get cursed out too. Sutton is a flip flopper because she was saying one thing to Kyle one on one before Kathy's dinner but then at the dinner said she was going to support Erika.  Sutton is getting a pass for being two-faced because a lot of people are on the Erika hate train, but that is shitty, duplicitous behavior.  

My job doesn't have two seasons of me filmed while socializing & spending money with someone who refuses to cooperate in collecting assets for people who had millions stolen from them. It is not at all a stretch to believe the cast might be deposed.

Sutton was trying to tone down how she spoke in front of Erika - because Sutton has some measure of civility and Erika is a hostile liar who has the backing of Kyle who'd throw her own sister under the bus to be on a TV show.

[FlyingEgret]

Dare we say Rinna has pretend amnesia?

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

Who TF is Sutton to be questioning Erika? 

Who’s Erika to expect anyone to blindly believe and never question her? She brought ALL of These inconsistencies to the show. Being caught lying isn’t Sutton’s fault for pointing that out 

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, charming said:

This is infuriating to watch. I can't believe how Erika spoke to Sutton at the table.

I was completed disgusted watching the whole thing, and I was also perplexed as to why Kathy, as the hostess, did not step in at any point.  I guess it would have taken Erika breaking one of those $950.00 Baccarat candle holders to get a reaction from Kathy.

[blixie]

Fuck Erika. Fuck Kyle. Fuck Crystal.

I think that's it. 

Oh and yeah having PK speak the plain truth as it takes one to know one was pretty fun, but of course he spends almost as much time slut shaming her as point out the facts that nothing is stopping her from A) centering the REAL victims and B) giving the fucking money and "gifts" back. 

These women have so backed the wrong horse and earlier in the season Kyle swore this was before we knew anything, but clearly you did start to know things and still backed the self pitying rage monster bully.

[Thumper]

6 minutes ago, Shannah Banana said:

I don't think Kyle is a good friend to Sutton at all.  She uses Sutton to do her dirty work while pretending to be her friend. 

Erika could have a bright future in the adult porn film industry.  She has all the makings to be the big star she wants to be in that field. 

I agree with your assessment of Kyle.  She likes to twist things around.  I wanted Sutton to ask her why SHE (Kyle) didn’t support Sutton at the dinner.  Kyle could have asked the questions.  She left Sutton hanging.

[charming]

12 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

 It's scary to me how easily people condemn, convict and assassinate someone's character without indisputable proof.

Denise and LVP probably agree with this as they were put on trial by these gang of witches. LVP's brother had committed suicide and Denise was going through a court case with her ex. There was no mercy for them. It never stopped the coven from relentlessly attacking every word they uttered. It's amazing how hypocritical they're being now.

Edited September 9, 2021 by charming

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, sistermagpie said:

I like the show showing the clip of Erika barely able to say anything nice about the victims after Dorit claims that she's said she's "devestated." Go PK!

Erika:  "Yes.  The Victims.............................. (menacingly) need to be taken care of."

 

Dorit's new face looks exactly like J.Lo's new face.  They all have that same Instagram face and it's so gross.

If I see Dorit do the "You've been making a looooooot of jabs at me" hand gestures again I am going to lose it!

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

She didn't steal the money and if she didn't know why she be punished for Tom's actions?  People are constantly attacking her with no proof.  Is she supposed to just take it? For every action there is a reaction.  Just because there is an Erika hate train, she's supposed to modify her behavior and who she is for people who aren't being fair to her in the first place? I'd give my ass to kiss to everyone too who was accusing me of something with no proof.  It's scary to me how easily people condemn, convict and assassinate someone's character without indisputable proof.

I’ll say it she stole the money she didn’t give a fuck where it came from and when she found out still could give a fuck. She is fighting tooth and nail NOT to repay that 20 million she “borrowed” shes just as guilty NOW that she doesn’t even wanna repay that “loan” knowing where the money came from. She literally is stealing knowingly from widows and orphans. Like she said she could give a fuck 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[bencr]

The Erika Jayne persona was sort of fun when she was just a rich lady using her elderly husband's millions to create a fantasy world of sex and glamour. However, now that we know that the Erika Jayne persona was funded on the backs of defrauded widows and orphans, the whole thing is just grotesque. As PK rightly pointed out, that branding is no longer appropriate.

Edited September 9, 2021 by bencr

[Dutchgirl]

11 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks when it comes to Erika being complicit or not.  There is absolutely no proof and she is not charged with anything.  If someone is prepared to call her a liar to her face, then be prepared for her to clap back.  Was Erika supposed to let Sutton attack her character and just sit there?

lol Attacking Erika's character would imply that she does indeed have character. Straw man argument. One look at her ZERO ZERO ZERO FUCKS video and the court would toss her case with prejudice.

[sistermagpie]

5 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

Who TF is Sutton to be questioning Erika? 

Who TF do you think she has to be to question her? She works with a woman that's telling stories that contradict each other. She doesn't have to be a trial lawyer to not believe her any more than Rinna has to be a trial lawyer to defend her. 

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  If you insinuated one of your co-workers/friends was lying and/or complicit if their husband was charged with fraud at an unrelated job, you'd probably get cursed out too.

So? Sutton's not the first person to have said something that made Erika curse them out on the show. Also, this is not an unrelated job. It's exactly Sutton's job to be talking to Erika about this stuff, which Erika herself brought into the show. 

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Sutton is a flip flopper because she was saying one thing to Kyle one on one before Kathy's dinner but then at the dinner said she was going to support Erika.  Sutton is getting a pass for being two-faced because a lot of people are on the Erika hate train, but that is shitty, duplicitous behavior.  

Yes, Sutton does seem to be bowing to pressure to be protective of Erika. As the guys said on that podcast, she'd be doing better if she didn't come at her from such a weak position, leaving herself open that way. But yeah, obviously most here are not mad at Sutton for not supporting Erika enough.

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Erika hasn't done anything to these women.  I understand asking questions or being suspicious but it's crazy for anybody to think that someone should be able to accuse her to her face of being a liar and she's just supposed to take it.  It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or believes because the truth is that they don't know what she knew.  I think Sutton saw the fan reaction as things were coming out and decided to make her mark (work hard for a diamond) by going after Erika . I can't stand her.

I don't buy this focus on "accusing her of being a liar." Erika said one thing, then said something else, and she's told stories that sound fake. Saying nobody's allowed to call her a liar basically means everyone has to just nod and act like everything she says makes perfect sense, which nobody on this show has ever been expected to do. 

Doesn't really matter why Sutton's questioning Erika, she's still the only person pointing out the obvious. Sure, what anyone thinks on the show doesn't tell us the exact truth. Sutton questioning her story doesn't make it false, Rinna buying her story doesn't make it true. Erika doesn't have to "take it" when Sutton says she didn't buy her story. But people are obviously going to notice when she has nothing at all to say that actually explain any of her inconsistencies. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

It's fucking seafood.  Lisa Rinna is acting like Garcelle is serving monkey penis.

I'm nowhere near rich and I've been to the Caribbean several times.  I'm sure Lisa has been a billion times and she's acting like this is all so foreign to her?

Edited September 9, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Talented Tenth]

7 minutes ago, chick binewski said:

Tom and by extension Erika have squandered millions - Erika's "music" career is one large tab charged to the GK law firm. Perhaps Erika didn't know everything, but a federal judge has ruled the victims can collect directly from Erika. Erika is not handing over anything and has fought every effort to aid the victims. She's spent five seasons rolling around in cash, told different stories this year that not only contradicted each other but were a 180 from how she presented Tom through the years. Now she decides to bear her teeth when someone challenges her? Sorry, she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

Erika was a sugar baby.  Do we think Hugh Hefner's wives knew about his business affairs?  Was Anna Nicole balancing a checkbook?  If Madonna marries one of her sugar babies, do we think he's going to be in the know about her business?  A sugar baby's job is to look good and give up the sugar, and in exchange they get to live in luxury.  It hasn't been substantiated for me that Erika is fighting recovery efforts, but let's say she is.  My issue is not with anyone disliking Erika's behavior.  My issue that she is getting called complicit, a criminal and a scammer with no proof.  Let's say she has zero sympathy for Tom's victims or misrepresented her marriage -- that still doesn't mean she was complicit.

 

[Thumper]

Yeah, I’m sure Kathy Hilton had “another appointment” the day of Garcelle’s dinner!  I wouldn’t want to see that group either.  lol

[Shannah Banana]

4 minutes ago, Dutchgirl said:

Attacking Erika's character would imply that she does indeed have character.

She does have character...but it's bad character.

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

Erika was a sugar baby.  Do we think Hugh Hefner's wives knew about his business affairs?  Was Anna Nicole balancing a checkbook?  If Madonna marries one of her sugar babies, do we think he's going to be in the know about her business?  A sugar baby's job is to look good and give up the sugar, and in exchange they get to live in luxury.  It hasn't been substantiated for me that Erika is fighting recovery efforts, but let's say she is.  My issue is not with anyone disliking Erika's behavior.  My issue that she is getting called complicit, a criminal and a scammer with no proof.  Let's say she has zero sympathy for Tom's victims or misrepresented her marriage -- that still doesn't mean she was complicit.

 

Did they have their own LLc’s and brag about signing tax documents? And not wanting to repay the loan knowing where the money will be going is being complacent 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[Ms Blue Jay]

Why did Dorit , Rinna leave all of a sudden?  

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, charliesan said:

I have to be honest I was a bit disappointed Sutton started to cry, but she’s the bravest of them all. 

PK bringing the facts Dorit didn’t know what to do with it. 

I really don't blame Sutton for crying - at least she waited until she had left the table.  I can't imagine anyone who would not have started crying when faced with the she-devil, Erika.  Regardless of what we say here, Erika is an intimidating person.  Her height, stature and size, along with her bitchiness and coldness is enough to intimidate anyone, and her threats and nasty words just add to it.  I agree, Sutton is brave, at least she had the nerve and backbone to say what she's thinking to Erika.  

As far as PK and Dorit - Dorit knows PK is right, but she is afraid to say anything because she may wind up as the next recipient of Erika's vitriol.  

Edited September 9, 2021 by njbchlover

[Talented Tenth]

11 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Who’s Erika to expect anyone to blindly believe and never question her? She brought ALL of These inconsistencies to the show. Being caught lying isn’t Sutton’s fault for pointing that out 

People don't have to believe her, but I really want to know how anyone expects her to react when her character is attacked being that her position is that she didn't know and isn't a liar.  Beliefs aren't indisputable facts.  People go off on Housewives for much less than it being insinuated that they are a liar and complicit scammer.

[charliesan]

2 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

It's fucking seafood.  Lisa Rinna is acting like Garcelle is serving monkey penis.

Lizzard just didn’t want to eat. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Crystal looks so stupid right now that I'm physically in pain.  How could anyone read what Erika and Tom are accused of in the paper and react like that?

[BluishGreen]

Yeah, Kyle, SUTTON is the one who is two-faced. 

Did I not see Sutton asking questions, but pulling back when things started getting ugly?  No one else had the guts to go even that far. The rest of them are mewling over Erika but Kyle calls out Sutton for not cornering Erika on the spot, or be called two-faced, weak and dishonest.  You have to go in,  humiliate and attack someone -- like Kyle did to her own sister and her bestie, LVP, --or you are an asshole. 

Oh, yeah, that's right, Kyle was just trying to HELP Sutton.  Ugh. She is just so dumb and so rotten all in the same moment.

And Rinna, of course, had to be all "remember when you wore those yellow pants, Kyle?  At the thing... you know, the thing when we ALL gossiped about Erika,  even "I'm up here and you're down here" Crystal, but then we all pinned it on Sutton?"   Friggin' cowards.

Edited September 9, 2021 by BluishGreen

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Okay, Dorit, you are just being oversensitive re Garcelle. 

 

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

That wasn’t a passive aggressive dig you freaking Moron. 

That is what's called "creating a storyline so I can keep my job".  

[RealHousewife]

It's totally possible Erika isn't shady. 

Just like it's totally possible I might go for a run at 5 am. 

 

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, sistermagpie said:

So when Erika was threatening Sutton with suing and said it was other people who were going to do it because she was talking about their health...was she saying that Tom was going to do it? Like was this hinting at the return of Tom the shark lawyer who knows exactly what he's doing and crushes ordinary people like bugs if they get in his way? What was she implying? I was really wishing Sutton would ask for details. Really, it seems like the best thing anybody can do for her at all times is make her run her mouth with details. That's how we got the info about Tom calling her every day.

Yes, she was specifically referencing Tom!  Didn't she say something like "He's not dead and buried!" all winkingly into the camera??????  What happened to the man who has Alzheimer's who can't get into a car without it falling down a conveniently nearby cliff????

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Cupcake04 said:

Right?  But then they can blame it on the husbands and are off the hook.

Let's see what happens after next week's episode - from the previews, it looks like PK and Mauricio are being realistic about all of the Erika bullshit.

1 hour ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I want to eat all of this food. 

I'm sure there were tons of leftovers!!  

[mothmonsterman]

19 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I was completed disgusted watching the whole thing, and I was also perplexed as to why Kathy, as the hostess, did not step in at any point.  I guess it would have taken Erika breaking one of those $950.00 Baccarat candle holders to get a reaction from Kathy.

I hate to be this blunt, but Kathy don't love dem hoes. They could probably fall off the face of the earth and she wouldn't care. She made Kyle beg on her knees for years just to get near her again. AND the butler didn't know who the heck Kyle was-that should tell you something about their closeness. 

[Lady of nod]

Because there isn’t really anything  I can say about the human trash that is Erika that hasn’t been said, I’ll just say this.  Kyle, stfu you 2 faced shit stirring dumb ass hypocrite. When is someone going to finally come for her and Rhinna?…Should we bring back Camille and her friend Alison?

[sistermagpie]

1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yes, she was specifically referencing Tom!  Didn't she say something like "He's not dead and buried!" all winkingly into the camera??????  What happened to the man who has Alzheimer's who can't get into a car without it falling down a conveniently nearby cliff????

Yeah, seems like Erika finds it hard to stick with that story, she's so used to having the shark to threaten people with or something. That was the story she started out with, after all.

Along those lines, seems relevent to remember that Sutton isn't accusing Erika of being complicit in Tom's stealing from orphans at the time. She's saying that if she was given those funds, she's responsible for giving them back. The only part where Sutton's suggested she's working with Tom is with the defense, like how she changed her story about Tom in a way that fit the one his lawyers were telling, that was different from the one Erika originally told. And also the thing about the LA Times article, how she knew it was coming out before it did--which of course she did, they called her about it, I believe.

[chick binewski]

1 minute ago, Talented Tenth said:

Erika was a sugar baby.  Do we think Hugh Hefner's wives knew about his business affairs?  Was Anna Nicole balancing a checkbook?  If Madonna marries one of her sugar babies, do we think he's going to be in the know about her business?  A sugar baby's job is to look good and give up the sugar, and in exchange they get to live in luxury.  It hasn't been substantiated for me that Erika is fighting recovery efforts, but let's say she is.  My issue is not with anyone disliking Erika's behavior.  My issue that she is getting called complicit, a criminal and a scammer with no proof.  Let's say she has zero sympathy for Tom's victims or misrepresented her marriage -- that still doesn't mean she was complicit.

 

I really hate quoting Bethenny Frankel but she nailed it when she said you can't play smart AND stupid. Erika proudly dropped her husband's age in conversations as a kind of weird method to "out" people's preconceived notions, then would talk about how much time she spent in "Tom's world" and how he thought she knew enough to take the bar. Erika has always presented herself as a smart, tough, icy person who had a handle on everything. She can't switch tracks to being a "kept" woman with no idea about her husband's reputation and expect most people to find it plausible.

I don't think any of us here have stated EXACTLY what Erika knew, but I believe the hostility is escalating based on 1. the wildly inconsistent stories and 2. how Erika is treating others. Sutton not only tried to walk through the forensic accounting process - she offered Erika a loan. Erika was immediately dismissive of Sutton's experiences bc Erika still thinks she's the smartest person in the room. And I think that's when Sutton smelled Erika's bullsh*t.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

People don't have to believe her, but I really want to know how anyone expects her to react when her character is attacked being that her position is that she didn't know and isn't a liar.  Beliefs aren't indisputable facts.  People go off on Housewives for much less than it being insinuated that they are a liar and complicit scammer.

She’s a liar she’s admitted to lying why would anyone trust anything from that point on that comes out of her mouth? Nothing she says can be trusted. She’s a bully she’s a lair and she’s a conwoman 

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Talented Tenth said:

I think Sutton saw the fan reaction as things were coming out and decided to make her mark (work hard for a diamond) by going after Erika . I can't stand her.

The show isn't live.  I'm sure this was all taped a long time ago.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Shannah Banana]

21 minutes ago, Thumper said:

I agree with your assessment of Kyle.  She likes to twist things around.  I wanted Sutton to ask her why SHE (Kyle) didn’t support Sutton at the dinner.  Kyle could have asked the questions.  She left Sutton hanging.

At times Kyle is very two-faced.  When she told Sutton she was coming across as two-faced-it was like BINGO.  That was real projection at play. 

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, Andi27 said:

Yeah, is this a new event, with someone breaking into Tom's house, him confronting this person then as a result needing eye surgery? And I think it was Erika's son who rolled his car?

If these things happened, they would have been in the press at the time. Anyone aware?

 

Well....you know that super-powerful Los Angeles lawyer, Tom Girardi?   The guy who has been in declining cognition and brain function since his car crash three years ago-you know - the one that also was never reported in the press?  

Maybe he was lucid enough for at least a few hours one day to contact some of his high-powered publisher friends to keep the stories out of the press.  

Something tells me that will be the next part of the preview clip we saw--that is, if Kyle has the balls to ask Erika why none of that was in the news/press.  You know - Kyle, who says she isn't afraid at all of Erika.

Edited September 9, 2021 by njbchlover

[RealHousewife]

16 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I really don't blame Sutton for crying - at least she waited until she had left the table.  I can't imagine anyone who would not have started crying when faced with the she-devil, Erika.  Regardless of what we say here, Erika is an intimidating person.  Her height, stature and size, along with her bitchiness and coldness is enough to intimidate anyone, and her threats and nasty words just add to it.  I agree, she is brave, at least she had the nerve and backbone to say what she's thinking to Erika.  

As far as PK and Dorit - Dorit knows PK is right, but she is afraid to say anything because she may wind up as the next recipient of Erika's vitriol.  

I get annoyed by crybabies, but I agree. A lot of us would start to cry with someone in our face like that. Props to Sutton. She's a lot braver and stronger than I thought. 

Right! As Dorit likes to say, have some guts!!!

[Talented Tenth]

You guys win.  The hate train is too strong.  One sweet day, when all of this is over, I'm going to remember who was against us.

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

You guys win.  The hate train is too strong.  One sweet day, when all of this is over, I'm going to remember who was against us.

It’s not a hate thing. Until last year I was Team Erika 100% like I was you defending her so I get it. But there is just to much inconsistency to much back peddling to much stories evolving even mid telling to ignore 

[RealHousewife]

Another former Erika fan here, the shame! 

[chlban]

47 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

Who TF is Sutton to be questioning Erika?  Sutton is not a trial lawyer and Erika isn't on the stand.  Erika is a co-worker/"friend" and Tom's embezzlement has absolutely nothing to do with Sutton "Fragility" Stracke.  If you insinuated one of your co-workers/friends was lying and/or complicit if their husband was charged with fraud at an unrelated job, you'd probably get cursed out too. Sutton is a flip flopper because she was saying one thing to Kyle one on one before Kathy's dinner but then at the dinner said she was going to support Erika.  Sutton is getting a pass for being two-faced because a lot of people are on the Erika hate train, but that is shitty, duplicitous behavior.  

Erika hasn't done anything to these women.  I understand asking questions or being suspicious but it's crazy for anybody to think that someone should be able to accuse her to her face of being a liar and she's just supposed to take it.  It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or believes because the truth is that they don't know what she knew.  I think Sutton saw the fan reaction as things were coming out and decided to make her mark (work hard for a diamond) by going after Erika . I can't stand her.

WTF was Erika to be questioning Vanderpump or Denise? WTF was Erika going off on Eileen who was always more than kind to the evil witch? Far kinder than she ever deserves. It's the Housewives. This is what they do unless they are afraid of the snarling liar.

Edited September 9, 2021 by chlban

[njbchlover]

54 minutes ago, Shannah Banana said:

I don't think Kyle is a good friend to Sutton at all.  She uses Sutton to do her dirty work while pretending to be her friend. 

Erika could have a bright future in the adult porn film industry.  She has all the makings to be the big star she wants to be in that field. 

I don't know much about the adult film industry, but I wouldn't be surprised if she is not even a good enough actress for porn.  She would actually have to look like she is enjoying the sex - I don't think that is possible for Erika.  She always looks so world-weary or just totally bored over everything.

[Ms Blue Jay]

I don't think it's fair to lump in porn actors with somebody as disgusting as Erika.

[hoodooznoodooz]

50 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

If I see Dorit do the "You've been making a looooooot of jabs at me" hand gestures again I am going to lose it!

The WWCL guys say it looks like she just washed her hands, but can’t find a towel, so she’s trying to flick the water off.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I don't think it's fair to lump in porn actors with somebody as disgusting as Erika.

Well, maybe Ron Jeremy. 😂

[Ms Blue Jay]

3 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

The WWCL guys say it looks like she just washed her hands, but can’t find a towel, so she’s trying to flick the water off.

She looks like she's trying to give a massage to someone with a doughy stomach but doesn't want to get too deep in there.

[chlban]

25 minutes ago, Talented Tenth said:

You guys win.  The hate train is too strong.  One sweet day, when all of this is over, I'm going to remember who was against us.

Us? 

[njbchlover]

46 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

It's fucking seafood.  Lisa Rinna is acting like Garcelle is serving monkey penis.

I'm nowhere near rich and I've been to the Caribbean several times.  I'm sure Lisa has been a billion times and she's acting like this is all so foreign to her?

It cracked me up when the chef asked Rinna if she had ever been to Haiti.  Rinna's reply - "No, but I've been to the Bahamas."  World of difference there, Rinna!!!  I wish these women would have done some reading up on Haiti's recent history.  Something tells me that not one of them (except for Garcelle, of course) would even know who Papa Doc was and what happened under his regime.  I'm sure that they did not really understand the reason why Garcelle, the chef and their families were not allowed to eat pumpkin soup.

I think that a lot of the housewives are just ignorant of anything that isn't exactly in their little bubble.  

I also wonder what kind of vacations that Rinna and Harry Hamlin take together.  We know they travel separately - she for the show, and he for "whatever" in Canada.  I don't know how well traveled Rinna actually is.

[chlban]

22 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Another former Erika fan here, the shame! 

Proud to say I never liked the bitch and pretty much hated her since her completely unprovoked attack on Eileen way back when.