Trials and Tribulations of Juicy and Tre...

[WireWrap]

I am no Teresa fan, at all, but I don't see her as having *any* responsibility for 'standing up to Victoria Gotti.'  Unless I missed something and I mean that sincerely, because I find so much of this season cringe-worthy, I think only Gotti can be blamed for that, and only those idiot twins can be blamed for the fact that they are both rictus-faced cowards who prefer to confront as a mini-pack and whine and bitch at everyone but the person causing problems (e.g., ripping out Amber's hair, demanding apologies.  The twins need to think long and hard about their choices in male partners and also to grow the fuck up.)

 

In terms of the Jax bankruptcy, I personally also think that what may frustrate people about St. Jacqueline of Easter Island and her endless crying about Teresa and all of her other self-indulgent fucknuts-crazy bullshit is that she seems thirsty as hell to expose other people's problems when something is rotten in her own financial house.  I also agree that it's in incredibly poor taste to suggest that autism treatments are spurring the desire to downsize - that seems patently false, given the timing of the filings, the timing of Nicholas' regression, the reality of how the state works to help subsidize certain therapies:  that's all.  I completely and totally agree that nothing Chris or Jacqueline may or may not have done, filed or signed does anything at all to change anything that the Giudices admitted to in the plea agreement, nothing at all.  I think all of these women are tiresome and pointless and exhausting (but they used to make for some entertaining TV), but Jacqueline, to me, is in a special category because she's just such a manipulative person.  Her whole persona starting out was the 'nice one' who was always trapped between one antagonist and her fambly.  First Danielle, then Ashleeighy, then Teresa, then Dina.  She is a really hardcore liar not just about what she does, but what she feels, and she is very well-practiced at using tears and unfortunate situations with her kids (Ashlehowevertheeffshespellsit and now Nicholas) as an out of sorts, again strictly IMO.  So, not speaking at all for any other snarker, but her whole "I'm just so worried" shtick is just shtick as best I can see.  And frankly, maybe just me, but Kathy Wakile is the same way.  I have cousins who are out of control in different ways but I let them live and don't see it as my place to 'confront' things, and would sooner die than manipulate my way in doing so on camera.  I manage to do so even when someone gets out of their lane at a family event, and I am no saint.  Kathy's a giant fake AFAIC, and not an innocent relative who just so missed her family and so wanted to make things right.  I can offer no proofs but I find that entire way she's tried to come across as a giant frigging joke.  I *do* think Kathy's mom has a heart for her niece and those kids, and that Rosie feels close to Joe G. and feels a genuine concern, and that love may be more than Teresa and Joe deserve.  But I think Kathy and Richie are gleeful in private about the Giudices being caught and sentenced.  Which, hey, whatever floats their boat.  But I don't buy concern for one millisecond from them, at all.  

The problem I have with how many viewers view Jac, Kathy or any of the other cast members current or former, is that so much of it is based on what Teresa has said about her/them on camera and what Teresa's minions have said in blogs. Does Jac make a fool out of herself, YES , does she cry way too much, YES, does she lie about her fellow cast members like Teresa does, NOT that I know of. I don't think Jac is emotionally strong or even all that stable and most certainly not enough for the likes of this show or a friendship with Teresa. That they have kept quiet on the show about their business BK was the smart thing to do and Teresa/Joe should have done the very same thing about their personal BK instead of trying to make a quick buck off of it (that they kept for themselves instead of paying anyone back). I also remember how Jac went off the rails, according to her mother who I believe, when the producers TOLD her to come at Teresa and spill T's secrets or else get fired. What I never got is why is Teresa applauded by some for doing what the producers want, she has said that she "is a good employee" several times in interviews, but Jac is vilified for doing the exact same thing.

 

As for Kathy, unless a viewers is taking what Teresa tried to sell, that Melissa/Joe and Kathy/Rich, ONLY came on the show to hurt her and for no other reason, Kathy has done nothing to warrant the hate Teresa and her fans aim at her. Teresa has gone out of her way to demonize Kathy and I do believe that it ALL stems from Teresa not being asked to be in Kathy's wedding party. A rather petty reason  IMO but par for Teresa.

[Higgins]

They all suck.  Kathy might not be as bad but, she sucks too. This show is the worst of all of them. You can't like any of them even like Vicki or Ramona who you could never stand IRL but love to watch. This show has no one to enjoy.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Higgins

[One Tough Cookie]

CPS has their hands full trying to stay on top of homes with not just real problems, but huge problems. So no, there's no likelihood of getting involved in potential problems. The four girls are not the only kids in the state with an alcoholic single parent. But they're luckier than most because of the extended family.

 

 

All what has to happen is one of the girls has to go to school and the teacher has to hear "...daddy fell asleep in a bowl of spaghetti, daddy wouldn't wake up this morning to drive us to school, my sister fell on the stairs and daddy didn't wake up" and BY LAW they HAVE to call DYFS, they are mandated reporters.  They could lose their jobs if they didn't,  And those teachers know exactly what is going on in that house and will be watching those girls closely.  Gia is already receiving counseling {and wasn't her mother a bitch for announcing it for the country to know?}.

 

But I think Kathy and Richie are gleeful in private about the Giudices being caught and sentenced

 

OMG--YES!  YES!  YES!

Edited October 12, 2014 by One More Time

[charming]

It's so entertaining watching the old episodes knowing what we know now.

 

Season 2 Episodes 9 and 10. So much classic Teresa.

 

Crazy Danielle silently walks past Teresa with no drama. Teresa has to instigate and call out her name. She's so passive aggressive taunting Danielle with a little smirk. She even uses classic Teresa-isms saying how she's the sweetest and nicest person and how it was really all Danielle's fault for making her go to a table flipping level. Then the exchange.

 

Danielle: I saw the house you lived in before you moved into the mansion.

Teresa: So what I live in a 5 million dollar home now bitch.

Danielle: Yeah and it's in foreclosure.

Teresa: No it's not.

 

Teresa becomes unhinged and starts chasing Danielle through the Country Club as only a hit dog who hollers can. She needed to protect her perfect image at all costs. The attitude she gave the cop because he had the audacity to ask her what her involvement was in the fight was hilarious. That's the real Teresa.

 

I sincerely think she'll find herself back in jail at some point. There's no way she will be able to humble herself and live modestly. She'll have to dip in the stash her and Juicy have somewhere. Or divorce and try to snag a rich sucker.

 

I'm also not really seeing that many "great Mom" moments. Most of the time her kids are fighting, crying or being ignored. The only time she seems to pay attention to them is when she's attaching a hideous bow on their head and stuffing them in frilly dresses.

[LotusFlower]

All what has to happen is one of the girls has to go to school and the teacher has to hear "...daddy fell asleep in a bowl of spaghetti, daddy wouldn't wake up this morning to drive us to school, my sister fell on the stairs and daddy didn't wake up" and BY LAW they HAVE to call DYFS, they are mandated reporters.  They could lose their jobs if they didn't,  And those teachers know exactly what is going on in that house and will be watching those girls closely.  Gia is already receiving counseling {and wasn't her mothers bitch for announcing it for the country to know?}.

Yes, you're right, but you're describing an actual problem ("Daddy fell asleep in a bowl of spaghetti" made me laugh!), and the OP asked if CPS could be called for potential problems, with Joe an alcoholic being in charge of the girls. Still, I don't know about the likelihood of these things happening, because I bet Joe's mother will move in and help take care of things.

I also agree that Teresa talking about her daughters in the interview, esp. Gia seeing a counselor, was disgusting, and typical of Teresa's stupidity and bad judgement.

[TheFinalRose]

Gia is already receiving counseling {and wasn't her mother a bitch for announcing it for the country to know?}.

 

 

 

I'm also not really seeing that many "great Mom" moments. Most of the time her kids are fighting, crying or being ignored. The only time she seems to pay attention to them is when she's attaching a hideous bow on their head and stuffing them in frilly dresses.

 

 

 

A thousand times yes to both of these. Gia is just thrown to the reality television wolves. Her life is "a storyline." Teresa probably thinks "Gia is okay with it." There is no instinct to protect their children: see riding without seatbelts, filming personal growing pains, fist fighting in front of them. She doesn't even protect the girls from each other; their household seems like a chaotic nightmare to me. We have never seen Teresa or Joe even do a simple time out with the girls or teach them that "love, love, love" does not tolerate name calling, hitting, fighting, etc. You have to shut that stuff down immediately. If my children called their dad an ugly old troll they would have had a time out and one of those annoying parental lectures that they hate listening to but you have to deliver. 

 

You can bet that each of those Guidice girls is adopting specific coping skills to get them through the turmoil that their family lives in and those coping behaviors will  shape who they grow into. Thank goodness someone in the school system is helping Gia, it gives me actual hope for her. Just having one neutral, interested adult to guide Gia can give her some relief. I'm not sorry for the little girls that their parents are going away; I hope that it gives some other loving adult a chance to sneak in there and influence them in a good way.  It takes a village, you know, and sometimes when your parents are the village idiots it is good to have other options around. 

 

I had the similar problem with Jacqueline and Ashley and it's the reason I stopped watching RHONJ a few seasons ago. I was disgusted at how they used Ashley's growing pains as a storyline. I never understood how Jac and Chris allowed Ashley to continue participating with the adults on the show, even after said participation ended their daughter in court for the hair pulling.  HELLO? What were they thinking? This is the definition of famewhore: selling out their children's privacy for money and handbags. 

Edited October 12, 2014 by TheFinalRose

[One Tough Cookie]

Hey Guys--My Fios says Jimbo is on Watch What Happens Live Tonite--DVR ALERT!

[zoeysmom]

The problem I have with how many viewers view Jac, Kathy or any of the other cast members current or former, is that so much of it is based on what Teresa has said about her/them on camera and what Teresa's minions have said in blogs. Does Jac make a fool out of herself, YES , does she cry way too much, YES, does she lie about her fellow cast members like Teresa does, NOT that I know of. I don't think Jac is emotionally strong or even all that stable and most certainly not enough for the likes of this show or a friendship with Teresa. That they have kept quiet on the show about their business BK was the smart thing to do and Teresa/Joe should have done the very same thing about their personal BK instead of trying to make a quick buck off of it (that they kept for themselves instead of paying anyone back). I also remember how Jac went off the rails, according to her mother who I believe, when the producers TOLD her to come at Teresa and spill T's secrets or else get fired. What I never got is why is Teresa applauded by some for doing what the producers want, she has said that she "is a good employee" several times in interviews, but Jac is vilified for doing the exact same thing.

 

As for Kathy, unless a viewers is taking what Teresa tried to sell, that Melissa/Joe and Kathy/Rich, ONLY came on the show to hurt her and for no other reason, Kathy has done nothing to warrant the hate Teresa and her fans aim at her. Teresa has gone out of her way to demonize Kathy and I do believe that it ALL stems from Teresa not being asked to be in Kathy's wedding party. A rather petty reason  IMO but par for Teresa.

Melissa and Kathy have been quite transparent why they came on the show-for the opportunities.  The problem with Teresa is she wants to be the ONLY one to reap the benefits of RHONJ exposure.  First it was the cookbook deal and now it seems she has cut out her partners in the Fabellini partnership because she and Joe wanted to make more money.  I find typical Teresa, after her cousin made a name for herself with her dessert accomplishments that "Skinny Italian" Teresa raced out and found some one to underwrite a Teresa dessert line.   Not a low calaorie dessert line just a dessert line with including the dreaded sprinkle cookies. 

 

I find Rich hard to swallow and have stomached a friend or two that married someone I would not necessarily chosen to have been around but as a cousin for Teresa to go after Richie's looks was below the belt.  Richie teased her about spending too much money at the mall-same as her then friends Jacqueline, DINA, and Caroline had in the past.

 

I went back and found this article about Teresa and her "apology letters" to  her co-stars.  http://www.realitytea.com/2012/04/27/teresa-giudice-apologizes-to-co-stars-says-she-misses-them-caroline-insists-shes-not-sorry/

 

I believe at the end of the day Teresa never really expressed them on camera or personally to any of them-without a "I hate her f#$ing guts' which Jacqueline overheard.  She did however get paid $6,500.00 for the stories.  Something Teresa has never admitted to any of the others.  When it came to talk about the problems she was paid to address in the media she shot Jacqueline and Caroline down.

A thousand times yes to both of these. Gia is just thrown to the reality television wolves. Her life is "a storyline." Teresa probably thinks "Gia is okay with it." There is no instinct to protect their children: see riding without seatbelts, filming personal growing pains, fist fighting in front of them. She doesn't even protect the girls from each other; their household seems like a chaotic nightmare to me. We have never seen Teresa or Joe even do a simple time out with the girls or teach them that "love, love, love" does not tolerate name calling, hitting, fighting, etc. You have to shut that stuff down immediately. If my children called their dad an ugly old troll they would have had a time out and one of those annoying parental lectures that they hate listening to but you have to deliver. 

 

You can bet that each of those Guidice girls is adopting specific coping skills to get them through the turmoil that their family lives in and those coping behaviors will  shape who they grow into. Thank goodness someone in the school system is helping Gia, it gives me actual hope for her. Just having one neutral, interested adult to guide Gia can give her some relief. I'm not sorry for the little girls that their parents are going away; I hope that it gives some other loving adult a chance to sneak in there and influence them in a good way.  It takes a village, you know, and sometimes when your parents are the village idiots it is good to have other options around. 

 

I had the similar problem with Jacqueline and Ashley and it's the reason I stopped watching RHONJ a few seasons ago. I was disgusted at how they used Ashley's growing pains as a storyline. I never understood how Jac and Chris allowed Ashley to continue participating with the adults on the show, even after said participation ended their daughter in court for the hair pulling.  HELLO? What were they thinking? This is the definition of famewhore: selling out their children's privacy for money and handbags. 

One thing Jacqueline reminded us of is once Ashlee turned 18, after the first season, she was getting paid to be on the show.  I am quite certain Jacqueline and Chris preferred to be filmed with her than to leave her to her own devices.  Jac and Chris had no control over Ashlee entering into contracts with Sirens media.  I am always happier when Ashlee is off the screen but she is Jacqueline's daughter and for Chris and Jac to ignore or pretend she doesn't exist would just cause another level of criticism. 

Edited October 12, 2014 by zoeysmom

[SFoster21]

A thousand times yes to both of these. Gia is just thrown to the reality television wolves. Her life is "a storyline." Teresa probably thinks "Gia is okay with it." There is no instinct to protect their children: see riding without seatbelts, filming personal growing pains, fist fighting in front of them. She doesn't even protect the girls from each other; their household seems like a chaotic nightmare to me. We have never seen Teresa or Joe even do a simple time out with the girls or teach them that "love, love, love" does not tolerate name calling, hitting, fighting, etc. You have to shut that stuff down immediately. If my children called their dad an ugly old troll they would have had a time out and one of those annoying parental lectures that they hate listening to but you have to deliver.

You can bet that each of those Guidice girls is adopting specific coping skills to get them through the turmoil that their family lives in and those coping behaviors will shape who they grow into. Thank goodness someone in the school system is helping Gia, it gives me actual hope for her. Just having one neutral, interested adult to guide Gia can give her some relief. I'm not sorry for the little girls that their parents are going away; I hope that it gives some other loving adult a chance to sneak in there and influence them in a good way. It takes a village, you know, and sometimes when your parents are the village idiots it is good to have other options around.

I had the similar problem with Jacqueline and Ashley and it's the reason I stopped watching RHONJ a few seasons ago. I was disgusted at how they used Ashley's growing pains as a storyline. I never understood how Jac and Chris allowed Ashley to continue participating with the adults on the show, even after said participation ended their daughter in court for the hair pulling. HELLO? What were they thinking? This is the definition of famewhore: selling out their children's privacy for money and handbags.

I agree with you on most points, but Ashley, while young, was happy to be on the show, given modelling opportunities and lots of attention from her peers.

As someone pointed out above, Ashley(e?) was above the age of consent. To me, the portrayal of the relationship only pointed up how needy, neurotic and inept as a parent J was. So much for whoring your kids out for your benefit. That bit her in the ass big time, y'ask me.

Edited October 12, 2014 by SFoster21

[Jessie Q]

 

He's probably just gross enough to use someone else's cup as well......

 

Well, we all know he doesn't have a pot to piss in so...

[TheFinalRose]

I agree with you on most points, but Ashley, while young, was happy to be on the show, given modelling opportunities and lots of attention from her peers.

As someone pointed out above, Ashley(e?) was above the age of consent. To me, the portrayal of the relationship only pointed up how needy, neurotic and inept as a parent J was. So much for whoring your kids out for your benefit. That bit her in the ass big time, y'ask me.

 

 

One thing Jacqueline reminded us of is once Ashlee turned 18, after the first season, she was getting paid to be on the show.  I am quite certain Jacqueline and Chris preferred to be filmed with her than to leave her to her own devices.  Jac and Chris had no control over Ashlee entering into contracts with Sirens media.  I am always happier when Ashlee is off the screen but she is Jacqueline's daughter and for Chris and Jac to ignore or pretend she doesn't exist would just cause another level of criticism.

 

 

 

 

I've had my own 18 year olds and so I know that age alone is no indicator of maturity and that's probably why I was so turned off by Jac. Look at Ramona's daughter Avery.  She has participated on the show but it's been the nicer milestones...learning to drive, prom, going to college. I am sure Avery had her down times and challenges during the filming but we never saw them. Ashley, however, was a mess from Season one on and that's what Jac's storyline was. I thought it was wrong and it didn't matter to me that Ashley participated in it willingly because she did not know better. It really bothered me that her parents didn't care enough to suck it up and say let's not use her for our benefit anymore, especially after she wound up in court.  They filmed a lot of scenes that focused on Ashley's behavior and they just should have worked harder on focusing their screen time in another direction for Ashley's sake. 18 is still young and Ashley was living under their roof; none of their scenes reflected well on any of them and I couldn't stand to watch such terrible parents in action.

 

 

[LotusFlower]

Just read this on TMZ. Apparently they have to keep their personal and business accounts separate. It also said they EACH owe over $400k. Did we know this? I think I always thought the amount was how much they owed jointly. Anyway, here's the copy:

Teresa Giudice and hubby Joe Giudice are each criminals, but together they are diabolically criminal ... so says the sentencing judge who ordered each of them to put a wall between the other's finances.

According to court docs ... the "Real Housewives" stars were ordered to keep their personal and business accounts completely separate.

They've each been ordered to pay more than $400K in restitution. It appears at the very least the judge does not want Teresa to pay Joe's debt and vice versa. Fact is ... it's unclear what Joe really does for work, so he's the one who apparently is screwed by the order.

Another factoid in the docs ... the judge said she did not consider "anonymous letters and phone calls from the public in regards to sentencing."

We're guessing those letters and calls did not contain the word "mercy" ... at least for Joe.

[motorcitymom65]

I'd like to see Joe suffer.  I haven't seen that masochist act like he's in love with Teresa since the show began.  Unless I have a change of heart, I hope that he'll be deported.  On WWHL, he tossed off living in Italy by shrugging and saying, "It's a nice country."  (And it is.)  But let's just see him over there after a year or two with no Teresa, no daughters, no mother, no brother.  I'd like to see him miss his loved ones and miss the USA and wish he hadn't taken it all for granted.  I think that would be a very important lesson for Joe, whether it changed him or not.  I wonder about Teresa, too, after a couple of years of Joe over there acting like a single guy, would she change her mind about him?  It should be interesting.

I find myself not really caring one way or the other if Juicy gets deported. I certainly don't see it as something he will hate, except perhaps for missing his daughters. I will always believe they hid assets when they went there back in S2, and he seems to have a lot of family over there. I can actually see life being much easier for him. It would probably be easier to find work, and life would be much slower paced. The debt that exists in the US wouldn't be his worry, and he could just make homemade wine and smoke cigars all day long. I actually think he would love it and consider it to be a very exceptable alternative to having a $13 million dollar debt and a screeching Teresa at home, no doubt reminding him every day that the fault of all their problems belonged entirely at his feet.

[Rahul]

Did anyone catch this commercial on TV by the State of New Jersey Office of the Attorney General? My DVR caught it right before last night's airing of SNL on NBC. It doesn't reference the Fraudices by name but I'm fairly certain the entire thing was conceived and produced post sentencing.

 

I couldn't find the ad online anywhere so I captured it on my cell phone:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr4ysfxdoeh9nop/VIDEO0009.mp4

Edited October 12, 2014 by Rahul

[ginger90]

Gia is already receiving counseling {and wasn't her mother a bitch for announcing it for the country to know?}.

 

The country and Joe too, apparently. She said to Joe (on WWHL) she wasn't sure if she had gotten to tell him yet.

[Padma]

Just read this on TMZ. Apparently they have to keep their personal and business accounts separate. It also said they EACH owe over $400k. Did we know this? I think I always thought the amount was how much they owed jointly. Anyway, here's the copy:

Teresa Giudice and hubby Joe Giudice are each criminals, but together they are diabolically criminal ... so says the sentencing judge who ordered each of them to put a wall between the other's finances.

According to court docs ... the "Real Housewives" stars were ordered to keep their personal and business accounts completely separate.

They've each been ordered to pay more than $400K in restitution. It appears at the very least the judge does not want Teresa to pay Joe's debt and vice versa. Fact is ... it's unclear what Joe really does for work, so he's the one who apparently is screwed by the order.

Another factoid in the docs ... the judge said she did not consider "anonymous letters and phone calls from the public in regards to sentencing."

We're guessing those letters and calls did not contain the word "mercy" ... at least for Joe.

Good for the judge! She really seems to have these crooks' number and is anticipating their next shady effort. I also think making Joe, himself, come up with $400k may force the Italian relatives to fork over some of the boodle he stashed there on that vacation (you KNOW they figured out some scheme to hide assets when they lugged all those heavy suitcases up there. Not sure what was up, but I'm convinced, since they were already contemplating bankruptcy to avoid creditors, they had figured out some way to hide assets and cash abroad. Maybe even bank accounts. Whatever it is, he's going to have to pay up. And so will Teresa. It's a great example to others who follow these kinds of shows but may not be that familiar with the consequences of committing fraud.

 

As for the girls, they have other, better, relatives and apparently adults at school who like them and take an interest. It's all to the good, imo, to have their criminal parents out of their lives for a while (I think both of them are awful parents--completely disrespectful of their children's life and privacy, "anything for a buck").

[Gigi43]

I wonder if the separation of assets thing is really a way of making it easier to keep track of whatever they may "earn" from now until January. As far as I know there's no law saying a person cannot use their spouses money to pay restitution; it's joint funds no matter who works. Technically if a family member wanted to "lend" them money to pay it could they?

[WireWrap]

 

 

 

I've had my own 18 year olds and so I know that age alone is no indicator of maturity and that's probably why I was so turned off by Jac. Look at Ramona's daughter Avery.  She has participated on the show but it's been the nicer milestones...learning to drive, prom, going to college. I am sure Avery had her down times and challenges during the filming but we never saw them. Ashley, however, was a mess from Season one on and that's what Jac's storyline was. I thought it was wrong and it didn't matter to me that Ashley participated in it willingly because she did not know better. It really bothered me that her parents didn't care enough to suck it up and say let's not use her for our benefit anymore, especially after she wound up in court.  They filmed a lot of scenes that focused on Ashley's behavior and they just should have worked harder on focusing their screen time in another direction for Ashley's sake. 18 is still young and Ashley was living under their roof; none of their scenes reflected well on any of them and I couldn't stand to watch such terrible parents in action.

I am not so sure that Jac/Chris used Ashley as her storyline as much as, 1. that is how she really is in real life, 2. that is how the editors wanted it, 3 Jac IS that bad of a parent or a combination of all 3. I suspect that it is a combo. JMO

[WireWrap]

Just read this on TMZ. Apparently they have to keep their personal and business accounts separate. It also said they EACH owe over $400k. Did we know this? I think I always thought the amount was how much they owed jointly. Anyway, here's the copy:

Teresa Giudice and hubby Joe Giudice are each criminals, but together they are diabolically criminal ... so says the sentencing judge who ordered each of them to put a wall between the other's finances.

According to court docs ... the "Real Housewives" stars were ordered to keep their personal and business accounts completely separate.

They've each been ordered to pay more than $400K in restitution. It appears at the very least the judge does not want Teresa to pay Joe's debt and vice versa. Fact is ... it's unclear what Joe really does for work, so he's the one who apparently is screwed by the order.

Another factoid in the docs ... the judge said she did not consider "anonymous letters and phone calls from the public in regards to sentencing."

We're guessing those letters and calls did not contain the word "mercy" ... at least for Joe.

I remember reading, I think it was NJ.com but I am not sure, that showed EACH, Teresa and Joe, were ordered to pay $400K. Here is a breakdown of the stipulations they must abide by......  http://tamaratattles.com/2014/10/12/teresa-and-joe-giudices-supervised-release-conditions-explained/#more-12595

[motorcitymom65]

Good for the judge! She really seems to have these crooks' number and is anticipating their next shady effort. I also think making Joe, himself, come up with $400k may force the Italian relatives to fork over some of the boodle he stashed there on that vacation (you KNOW they figured out some scheme to hide assets when they lugged all those heavy suitcases up there. Not sure what was up, but I'm convinced, since they were already contemplating bankruptcy to avoid creditors, they had figured out some way to hide assets and cash abroad. Maybe even bank accounts. Whatever it is, he's going to have to pay up. And so will Teresa. It's a great example to others who follow these kinds of shows but may not be that familiar with the consequences of committing fraud.

 

As for the girls, they have other, better, relatives and apparently adults at school who like them and take an interest. It's all to the good, imo, to have their criminal parents out of their lives for a while (I think both of them are awful parents--completely disrespectful of their children's life and privacy, "anything for a buck").

I agree that they were lugging something besides gaudy clothes in all of that luggage.  

 

The thing is, they had actually already filed for BR when they filmed these scenes in Italy, it just hadn't been reported yet.  They filed for BR in October of 2009, but the news came out in July of 2010.  That particular episode aired in August 2010, so they had already filed for BR at that point (even if it was filmed months before). This is one of the things that always bugged me so much. When Teresa was running down the streets looking for Chanel, she thought that she had filed for BR and her debts would be basically forgiven. Time to go shopping.  We learned later that even though they had filed for BR protection 8 months before it was reported in the media, that none of her co-stars had known that they had filed. They went to Italy not knowing that the Giudice's were basically broke.  

[WireWrap]

Good for the judge! She really seems to have these crooks' number and is anticipating their next shady effort. I also think making Joe, himself, come up with $400k may force the Italian relatives to fork over some of the boodle he stashed there on that vacation (you KNOW they figured out some scheme to hide assets when they lugged all those heavy suitcases up there. Not sure what was up, but I'm convinced, since they were already contemplating bankruptcy to avoid creditors, they had figured out some way to hide assets and cash abroad. Maybe even bank accounts. Whatever it is, he's going to have to pay up. And so will Teresa. It's a great example to others who follow these kinds of shows but may not be that familiar with the consequences of committing fraud.

 

As for the girls, they have other, better, relatives and apparently adults at school who like them and take an interest. It's all to the good, imo, to have their criminal parents out of their lives for a while (I think both of them are awful parents--completely disrespectful of their children's life and privacy, "anything for a buck").

I think they filed for or had started the process of filing BK BEFORE that trip, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[kacesq]

Did anyone catch this commercial on TV by the State of New Jersey Office of the Attorney General? My DVR caught it right before last night's airing of SNL on NBC. It doesn't reference the Fraudices by name but I'm fairly certain the entire thing was conceived and produced post sentencing.

 

I couldn't find the ad online anywhere so I captured it on my cell phone:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr4ysfxdoeh9nop/VIDEO0009.mp4

 

Sorry but NJ has been doing the insurance fraud public service announcements for a while. There are also billboards here in NJ. I think they started doing a lot more of them post- Hurricane Sandy.

 

And as loath as I am to defend Teresa, insurance fraud is not something she was charged with or convicted of, AFAIK.

[Rahul]

Sorry but NJ has been doing the insurance fraud public service announcements for a while. There are also billboards here in NJ. I think they started doing a lot more of them post- Hurricane Sandy.

 

And as loath as I am to defend Teresa, insurance fraud is not something she was charged with or convicted of, AFAIK.

 

Ah, ok. It was first time I encountered this commercial (usually skip them with TiVo). I thought the NJ attorney general's office was trying to make an example of the Giudices and capitalize on the opportunity to send a message to the public.

[zoeysmom]

I think they filed for or had started the process of filing BK BEFORE that trip, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You are right.  They had the baby in September and filed in October and went to Italy in between appearances in BK court and Teresa perjuring herself.  it was a busy six months.

 

I don't think they took anything of any value to Italy and left it because that would have required they not spend every penny that passed through their hands.

[featherhead]

Didn't Andy, at one of the reunions, bring up Theresa and Joe filing BK and warn her of something being illegal if they didn't claim something? This was a couple of years ago and I remember Theresa shutting him down. Does anyone else remember this?

Edited October 12, 2014 by featherhead

[zoeysmom]

Didn't Andy, at one of the reunions, bring up Theresa and Joe filing BK and warn her of something being illegal if they didn't claim something? This was a couple of years ago and I remember Theresa shutting him down. Does anyone else remember this?

Whatever Reunion had the tabloids as an issue Andy brought it up to Teresa.  By then the United States Attorney had filed an objection to the discharge and Teresa's attorney had said in an interview she could be facing jail time.

[Lablover27]

Whatever Reunion had the tabloids as an issue Andy brought it up to Teresa.  By then the United States Attorney had filed an objection to the discharge and Teresa's attorney had said in an interview she could be facing jail time.

Zoeysmom,

 

So, does Juicy have to pee in a cup before he reports?  Is he going to be monitored?  I didn't see that anywhere.  He is not on 'probation' now regarding the alcohol?  Meaning, he's just refrained from opening credit cards and they must divide their finances?  I'm sorry if it was already posted.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Lablover27

[happykitteh]

 

But let's just see him over there after a year or two with no Teresa, no daughters, no mother, no brother.

 

I think no Teresa would make him happy. If it weren't for missing his girls, mom and siblings I really do think Joe would be happier in Italy.

[Lablover27]

I think no Teresa would make him happy. If it weren't for missing his girls, mom and siblings I really do think Joe would be happier in Italy.

Ding ding ding.  Same here.  Where the wine can be flowing at 9 am and all that wonderful food!  Reminds me of my ex.  Wasn't he a happy camper when he moved out and didn't have to do homework, dishes, wash, yard work, take out the trash, buy milk and feed the dog.   Del Taco and Papst beer made him happy in the little room he rented.  Until another man came to be his sons' father....

Edited October 12, 2014 by Lablover27

[WireWrap]

Here is the official release, the $400+ K is owed JOINTLY, not separately. Not all the conditions are listed though.....

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/Giudice,%20Giuseppe%20and%20Teresa%20Sentencing%20PR.html

[BostonBlonde]

This part just kills me. They did have the money, they just didn't want to pay it. They never pay their bills. Why start now? But what I don't understand is how they're getting away with it. This isn't a creditor to whom they can say they're bankrupt. This was payment to the court which was part of the plea agreement! How do they ignore this payment and just shrug it off? Do they face any repercussions?

 

Did they actually have the money? Who the hell knows how they afford anything at this point...

 

Hehehe - I've been watching the first season today in bed after some intrusive dental work (TMI) via Hulu. Beyond the too many words about the Giudice's ostentatious show of stolen wealth, just saw the "I have no skeletons in my closet" post table flip (IMO in retrospect Teresa was trying to get the camera back on her since it was all about the Laurita's vs Danielle at that point).

 

I saw that too...No clue how she could claim she had no skeletons all the while this was going on. Good criminals keep their mouths shut & lay low.

Edited October 13, 2014 by BostonBlonde

[WireWrap]

Did they actually have the money? Who the hell knows how they afford anything at this point...

 

 

I saw that too...No clue how she could claim she had no skeletons all the while this was going on. Good criminals keep their mouths shut & lay low.

Well it depends! Do you believe what Teresa told the Judge/court, that the accountant messed up otherwise she would have had the check with her OR do you believe what she told Andy during the interview, that they did NOT have the money at all? LOL, She is lying to someone and she had better hope it was NOT to the Court, having that money was an important part of her/their Plea Agreement!

[chabelisaywow]

Anyone on Probation with a testing clause has to submit to random drug tests.  Sorry TMI, but there are mirrors around the toilet, you are trained to watch people who put their *hand in the "stream", and for other shenanigans.

 

(*urine comes in contact with something on the hands - usually bleach, to skew the results)

 

If you are on Probation for a DUI, then yes, officers who work those caseloads, also have portable breathalyzers.

 

Then you every once in  awhile come into the real desperate people who use things like these:

http://www.thewhizzinator.com/

 

What skin tone do you think Juicy is?

[zoeysmom]

Zoeysmom,

 

So, does Juicy have to pee in a cup before he reports?  Is he going to be monitored?  I didn't see that anywhere.  He is not on 'probation' now regarding the alcohol?  Meaning, he's just refrained from opening credit cards and they must divide their finances?  I'm sorry if it was already posted.

They are on conditional release prior to reporting and be monitored by probation so yes he subject to alcohol and drug testing as it is a condition of his conditional release.

 

Teresa and Joe were both ordered to keep personal and business accounts.  Just like everyone is suppose to do.  They don't have to separate accounts from each other they just can't co-mingle their personal and business finances.  She cannot apply for any credit and must report the sale of any assets.

[zoeysmom]

Here is the official release, the $400+ K is owed JOINTLY, not separately. Not all the conditions are listed though.....

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/Giudice,%20Giuseppe%20and%20Teresa%20Sentencing%20PR.html

If Joe gets deported Teresa is on the hook for the entire $400K+++.  The Court also has 90 days to assess more restitution.

[LotusFlower]

If Joe gets deported Teresa is on the hook for the entire $400K+++.  The Court also has 90 days to assess more restitution.

What about the $13 million they owe their creditors? Where are they, btw? I would have thought at least some of them would talk to the press. Have any filed suit yet?

[WireWrap]

They are on conditional release prior to reporting and be monitored by probation so yes he subject to alcohol and drug testing as it is a condition of his conditional release.

 

Teresa and Joe were both ordered to keep personal and business accounts.  Just like everyone is suppose to do.  They don't have to separate accounts from each other they just can't co-mingle their personal and business finances.  She cannot apply for any credit and must report the sale of any assets.

Does anyone really believe that Teresa/Joe will sell anything? The mansion is priced at almost double its real market value and the other 2 properties are upside down and will be hard to sell. My guess is that they will over price everything possible so that it does NOT sell so they can truthfully say they "tried" to sell but there were NO takers. It will be nothing more than another scam to get out of paying anything again for as long as possible. JMO 

[WireWrap]

What about the $13 million they owe their creditors? Where are they, btw? I would have thought at least some of them would talk to the press. Have any filed suit yet?

 

I find it irritating that the press and tabloids have not tried to write an article on the real victims of the Giudice scams, the people they ripped off. All they need to do is get the victims names off of the BK petition, contact them and ask if they have been paid as of yet or if Teresa/Joe have even contacted them to arrange payments. They do NOT have to print their names but can give some background material about how much they are owed, for how long they have been owed and if they ever expect to see a dime from the grifters and how not getting paid affected their lives.

[AnnA]

Does anyone know how much Bravo pays Teresa for being on the RHONJ?

 

While there's no way for us to know for sure, I honestly doubt that Bravo paid them the $325k for that interview.  I would think that Bravo would have an "interviews required"  clause in their contracts.

[WireWrap]

Does anyone know how much Bravo pays Teresa for being on the RHONJ?

 

While there's no way for us to know for sure, I honestly doubt that Bravo paid them the $325k for that interview.  I would think that Bravo would have an "interviews required"  clause in their contracts.

Andy denied paying them for that interview, I do believe it was a part of their Bravo contract. I have read that Teresa gets anywhere from 700K to 800K a season. Whatever they post/write is just a guess though.

[SFoster21]

I find it irritating that the press and tabloids have not tried to write an article on the real victims of the Giudice scams, the people they ripped off. All they need to do is get the victims names off of the BK petition, contact them and ask if they have been paid as of yet or if Teresa/Joe have even contacted them to arrange payments. They do NOT have to print their names but can give some background material about how much they are owed, for how long they have been owed and if they ever expect to see a dime from the grifters and how not getting paid affected their lives.

If the bankruptcy was dismissed, the creditors can act to collect, somany unpaid creditors have sued Joe or his business - I'm assuming he was incorporated. They may have settled or absorbed the loss over the past five years.

[AnnA]

Andy denied paying them for that interview, I do believe it was a part of their Bravo contract. I have read that Teresa gets anywhere from 700K to 800K a season. Whatever they post/write is just a guess though.

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RealityTea just confirmed that you were right on the money.  She was paid $750,000 (plus bonuses) for S6.  I guess they throw that "bonus" incentive out there to get the cast to step up the drama.

 

There's a few interesting tidbits in this article.....including the visitation setup.  Apparently, it's only 4 hours per month.  I didn't realize that Joe would be handcuffed upon his release and handed over to immigration.

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/10/12/teresa-giudice-on-prison-admits-life-lesson-learned/

Edited October 13, 2014 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

If the bankruptcy was dismissed, the creditors can act to collect, somany unpaid creditors have sued Joe or his business - I'm assuming he was incorporated. They may have settled or absorbed the loss over the past five years.

According to the BK trustee, only $7500 was paid toward their combined debt and that was done through the BK court. I doubt that in the few weeks since that final statement was released they paid anymore. I think Teresa and Joe are hoping that the statue of limitations runs out on the majority of these debts. Many of these people still owed may have waited until their fraud case was over with and maybe they will file soon. 

[WireWrap]

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RealityTea just confirmed that you were right on the money.  She was paid $750,000 (plus bonuses) for S6.  I guess they throw that "bonus" incentive out there to get the cast to step up the drama.

 

There's a few interesting tidbits in this article.....including the visitation setup.  Apparently, it's only 4 hours per month.  I didn't realize that Joe would be handcuffed upon his release and handed over to immigration.

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/10/12/teresa-giudice-on-prison-admits-life-lesson-learned/

 

I wonder if Joe will even be allowed to take the girls to whatever prison Teresa ends up in, doesn't he need permission to leave NJ still? If Teresa is assigned to the WV facility, those trips to see her would most likely be longer than a single day and instead be a weekend trip 1 or 2 times a month. I also do not see him making that trip with the girls alone, he will need someone to help him with them.

[AnnA]

I wonder if Joe will even be allowed to take the girls to whatever prison Teresa ends up in, doesn't he need permission to leave NJ still? If Teresa is assigned to the WV facility, those trips to see her would most likely be longer than a single day and instead be a weekend trip 1 or 2 times a month. I also do not see him making that trip with the girls alone, he will need someone to help him with them.

 

 

I agree with you about Joe not being able to make that trip without help.  I'm not sure if he's allowed to leave the state or not. Whoever is "supervising" him while he's waiting to be imprisoned, would probably have to OK it.  No one has mentioned this so it may not be true but I always thought that convicted felons were not allowed to visit inmates in any correctional facility whether it be federal, state or county.

[zoeysmom]

Does anyone really believe that Teresa/Joe will sell anything? The mansion is priced at almost double its real market value and the other 2 properties are upside down and will be hard to sell. My guess is that they will over price everything possible so that it does NOT sell so they can truthfully say they "tried" to sell but there were NO takers. It will be nothing more than another scam to get out of paying anything again for as long as possible. JMO 

I think Joe is a sneaky bastard and probably is selling things off.  As to the house-if they didn't have the $200k to pay the court I can't imagine they will be able to make the mortgage payments much longer.  The first to go back to the bank will probably be the rental and the shore house.  I agree the mansion was outrageously overpriced.  I expect by the time the mansion goes back to the bank it will be pretty much stripped of anything of value.  I also think there are probably a fair number of folks who are waiting for the big auction of the mansion. I may be mistaken but I think both the shore house and the rental are priced under what is owed.  The third mortgages on those homes are the $400k restitution due Wells Fargo. 

 

I am not reading about any upcoming interviews with the Giudices so I am wondering if they have possibly priced themselves out of interview market or  there are no takers.  Maybe a story when they move out of the mansion.

[Bossa Nova]

 

I think Joe is a sneaky bastard and probably is selling things off.

I think so too. I could well imagine a scenario where say, Joe uses his brother, Pete, as a middle man to privately and quietly sell off items from the house: tools, furniture, bric a brac, appliances, chandeliers, etc. Stripping the house and property. Wonder what Teresa might find left when she returns at the end of her prison sentence. Wonder if he'd sell off her personal stuff too, ...i.e. designer name handbags.

 

I also can't help but wonder how the heck they pay for stuff during did they this phase of sentencing, with big money owed to the court. How do they keep on living and paying for normal family stuff. I know the court allows them some money just to live, but I think of:

 

 - Groceries for a family of 6

 - Utility bills, electric to cool and heating for that monstrosity....NJ summers are stinking humid....and the last few winters have been fucking COLD (l live in NJ). I would bet that monthly utility bills almost year round are into the 4 figures. 

 - What about healthcare for the girls? dental bills? orthodontics? clothes? haircuts?

 - And of course, the cars and gas and maintenance

 - And car insurance. NJ has the highest car ins. cost in the US. 

 - Paying for the girls' school and activity needs? Do the girls get to continue in the standard activities that do have out of pocket costs: cheerleading, dance, music, clubs, Brownies ? 

 

I always wondered if the Tre and Joe even bothered with silly health and car insurance. Or did they let that slide too. Did they pay their doctors and dentists with cash !? Imaginary scenario: Joe to dentist, " hey, ....about we settle Milania's cleaning and two fillings; and call it just an exam and one filling, and I 'll pay in cash. Deal?" 

 

Hey and just how do they handle PAYING property, state, and federal taxes from here on. Well, now that I think of it, federal taxes are automatically deducted from Teresa's Bravo checks. But what about NJ local property taxes, also one of the highest in the US.

 

Is 13 year old Gia going to have to get a part time job? I say that with no snark and no malice against her. And nothing wrong with a teen getting a little job for pin money. Of course it builds character. But will it even be enough for a normal teenage girl whose parents have no extra to supplement her activities and needs. I truly feel for her the most. She is entering high school shortly with the usual peer pressure and this nightmarish family scandal will hang over her entire teen years. "Normal" teen years can be tough. I do hope her teachers and parents of her circle of friends support and protect her. I think this awful mess her parents created will be hardest on her. But she does seem like a bright, talented, and aspirational young lady. I hope she gets scholarships. Be strong, Gia. Stay gold....

Edited October 13, 2014 by Bossa Nova

[ginger90]

I picture (not hope for, of course) a teen pregnancy in the Giudice house.

[Kellyee]

Will Joe and Teresa serve their entire sentences, or will they get time off for good behavior, jail overcrowding, etc?

 

Watching Teresa at the spa and getting her pedicure was a little shocking last night when you consider how much trouble they were in financially at the time. Of course, they threw a big party right before sentencing too. Even if Bravo and/or someone else paid for all that, it just LOOKS bad. Really bad. I know Teresa is an idiot, but you would have thought that fixer chick they showed on one of the entertainment shows who Teresa hired would have told her that. Or that her lawyer would have told her that.

 

And both Teresa and Joe act like this is a case of them not understanding paperwork, but the news sure makes it sound like this was a willful and deliberate act committed repeatedly.

[amarante]

The Juicys are not employees of Bravo so no taxes are withheld. BRAVO sends a 1099 form for all amounts paid. Theoretically one is supposed to make quarterly payments of amounts anticipated to be paid for taxes - Federal and State. Federal taxes are a bit higher for independent contractors since you are responsible for FICA payments for both employer and employee (Medicare/SS). 

 

Any creditor with a judgment can slap a lien on payments owed the Juicys but I would imagine the bulk of their payment for this season came before this was possible since the bankruptcy wasn't dismissed until fairly recently (well after payment for the season) and the restitution/fines etc. were imposed fairly recently. Any FUTURE earning streams are subject this.

 

The Juicys actually owed relatively little to individuals except for the judgment owed to Juicy's business partner which was about $300,000. Most of the amounts owed were for the mortgages on various properties and then a relatively small amount - i.e. $100,000 or so owed for consumer debt to Nordstroms. 

 

The Juicys have supported their lifestyle because they are spending all of the amounts that are coming in. I would imagine between paychecks - personal appearances and any kind of ancillary income streams their income was more than enough to support their current expenditures. Of course, that didn't factor in making payments to their creditors or saving for restitution. I think they have managed to pay their mortgages; lease their cars and pay their lawyers with money for blowouts, pedicures and clothing. I think they are dead broke at the moment and I don't see any income streams coming in for the near future. On the other hand, I can certainly see Teresa being paid a LARGE advance for a tell all book after she gets out of prison.

 

Will Joe and Teresa serve their entire sentences, or will they get time off for good behavior, jail overcrowding, etc?

 

 

As has been stated numerous times, in the Federal prison system, prisons get 15% off for "good behavior" so Tre will serve a minimum of 13 months. 

Edited October 13, 2014 by amarante