Trials and Tribulations of Juicy and Tre...

[Brooke0707]

Actually even if a lawyer works on your case for a minute, common practice is to bill .1 - unless criminal lawyers have a different practice...

[Higgins]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law

 

This is the law I think you guys were referring to and I don't think it applies anymore. I believe she can write the book however, of course the government can take the proceeds to recover what she owes.

[zoeysmom]

Actually even if a lawyer works on your case for a minute, common practice is to bill .1 - unless criminal lawyers have a different practice...

Most charge a hefty upfront flat fee after indictment.  It is hard to collect from clients in jail.  In Teresa's case I am assuming they may have had a structured payment based around when the Bravo checks come in.

[zoeysmom]

I realize she hasn't contradicted anything yet; I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any legal consequences to disputing - in the future - what she is expected to say to the judge at sentencing (admitting guilt to the 4 charges, accepting responsibility, and showing remorse).

Only if she does it under oath in the future.  In others words she cannot allocate to one thing, then deny it in a civil legal proceeding at a later time, to avoid paying money.  Most defendants do minimize their crimes after the fact.  Many claim they only took the plea because their "lawyers made them" or they didn't have enough money to go to trial. 

 

With Teresa we will get a book. Her co-author Heather MacLean said there would be a book.  I think Caroline's prediction had more to do with Joe "going away" on the ID fraud case-which Teresa would have written a book.  My question is what is Teresa going to tell us we don't already know?  I guess she could give an account of their feelings-or reveal Joe beat her or something. 

[zoeysmom]

http://allthingsrh.com/teresa-giudice-struggling-find-new-home/

Another one of those inside sources say stories. If I were a landlord I would require the money up front for the term of the lease. That is what Brandi had to do the first year she filmed full time in BH-one year up front.  Unless Teresa has a relative that is willing to move into a house she has leased/owns I would think securing alternate housing before sentencing would be premature.  I mean they have the right to live in the McMansion until it sells, is seized or is foreclosed on.

[TheFinalRose]

I don't expect prison to change Teresa. She is obviously greedy and materialistic in a way that is very deep rooted. I do not think any kind of prison sentence will change her need to front. I do not think she will have a come to Jesus moment. She will endure her sentence and then come out, I predict, "better than ever!"  She will promote herself as a survivor, her children as survivors. She'll probably even say prison was not that bad, that everyone loved her, etc. I don't think she will ever say "I screwed up. Don't do what I did. It wasn't worth it."

 

Even if she was forced to sell her entire wardrobe on ebay she would just borrow Dina's clothes for appearances. She'll probably do a nightclub "Jailbreak" tour for cash after her release. She may "go away" for a little while, but when she comes out she will work it. It remains to be seen if reputable organizations or companies will want to take her on. She doesn't seem to have a conscience, and I doubt she will grow one at this stage.

[zoeysmom]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/09/24/mike-the-situation-sorrentino-indicted-on-tax-fraud-why-do-so-many-reality-stars-have-money-problems/

 

I posted this over here because the supervising US Attorney, in Teresa's case, has made a comment specific to reality stars.  The article also mentions Teresa. 

 

Am I the only one that finds it appalling  people, like this Mike, are even paid 9 million dollars over a short period of time?

[poeticlicensed]

My question is what is Teresa going to tell us we don't already know?  I guess she could give an account of their feelings-or reveal Joe beat her or something.

 

I'm guessing 90% of the book will be about her childhood, meeting Joe, getting married, her "career" and being a Bravolebrity etc, and one teeny little chapter will be devoted to her legal troubles and it will be full of denials and statements about how things were misrepresented to her. Shw will tease it enough to get her sheeple to buy it. Half the book will be family photos, methinks. Hopefully the govt will take every cent she makes from it if not because of the laws about profiting from crimes, but at least to pay back the debts they owe. 

Edited September 25, 2014 by poeticlicensed

[leisawoo]

I thought you're not allowed to profit from your crimes after being found/pleading guilty? If she includes any details about the trial, crimes, etc., isn't she making money off it? Or will the government allow it if they can get the money. I can see that.

[zoeysmom]

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/09/the-view-teresa-giudice-wendy-Feldman/

 

This article was just too funny to pass up.  If one ever wonders where the inside source is from the many Teresa stories on RadarOnLine, I am thinking this Wendy seems to have a pretty direct connection.

 

Who hires a crisis manager when their ratings are up?

[zenme]

Yeah, I think it's the Son of Sam Law that says one cannot profit from the crime they've committed, and I would think that a book of Teresa's would detail this time period in her life.  If she can sell her book and have all the profits go directly to the government, I wonder if that is okay--since she's not profiting.

[Giselle]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/09/24/mike-the-situation-sorrentino-indicted-on-tax-fraud-why-do-so-many-reality-stars-have-money-problems/

 

I posted this over here because the supervising US Attorney, in Teresa's case, has made a comment specific to reality stars.  The article also mentions Teresa. 

 

Am I the only one that finds it appalling  people, like this Mike, are even paid 9 million dollars over a short period of time?

 

Nope, you're not the only one.

[motorcitymom65]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law

 

This is the law I think you guys were referring to and I don't think it applies anymore. I believe she can write the book however, of course the government can take the proceeds to recover what she owes.

I think that is right. From what I have read in the past, the law has been ruled unconstitutional in many situations.  I think in Teresa's situation, it will be very hard to implement. First of all she is a Reality TV Star. This is how she has made all of her money. If writing a book and talking about it would be wrong, then what about being paid to be on a show and talk about it? Maybe that would be wrong as well. I think that in this case the interest of the government is that Teresa make money and pay her debts. I could easily see her having to turn over any money she made to pay her debts.  Of course this is what Teresa will claim, that she is just trying to hustle and make money because she wants to pay everyone back.  Right Teresa. 

[LotusFlower]

Only if she does it under oath in the future.  In others words she cannot allocate to one thing, then deny it in a civil legal proceeding at a later time, to avoid paying money.  Most defendants do minimize their crimes after the fact.  Many claim they only took the plea because their "lawyers made them" or they didn't have enough money to go to trial. 

This makes sense. Thanks. Anyone can say anything, anytime, even if it's a lie. Unless you're under oath.

When all is said and done , if Teresa "writes" a book, if she gets a publisher, she'll say next to nothing. As poeticlicensed said, it'll be about her life pre-Housewives, lots of family pics, and then just as little as possible about her "mistakes." But it won't sell. Her stardom is over.

[supermum]

Remember the car dealer that Joe and Melissa went to to get their bentley fixed?

Turns out the guy is as crooked as they come.  Is anyone surprised by this?  They appeared to be very familiar with each other and very friendly.

 

http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/ramsey-luxury-car-dealer-s-license-suspened-1.1096456

[jinjer]

I wonder who owns the title of that Bentley that Melissa was driving around in!  That's so funny, yet another potential criminal joins the ranks of RHNJ.

[supermum]

doughnuts to dollars that Bentley title is in someone else's name and the guy let them borrow it for free as long as he got to appear on the show.  I wonder if someone was sitting on the couch one night and happened to see their Bentley appear on TV and exclaimed...hey thats my stolen Bentley........again....raise your hands if this surprises you...Bueller ............Bueller.............Bueller 

[Lablover27]

Picked up the In Touch rag mag tonight.  "Pregnant Before Prison"  My favorite giggle was "Say what you will about Teresa, she's a devoted mom!"  Oh and last sentence "Teresa's losing it."   I would like to add "at the idea of wearing a prison uniform and sleeping on a mattress 214,204,388 prisoners has slept on.  Hee.   

 

In Touch must be her fav rag mag.

 

I'm more interested in the Federal Correctional Institution in Danbury, Con.  where she will go away to college. 

[MsTree]

With the latest scamming reality star (Mike Sorrentino) out in the open, if the judge doesn't make an example with the Juiceys (give them the maximum sentence!), then all these F-list celebs are going to try and get away with it too. It started with Richard Hatch (Survivor) not reporting his winnings, and if I recall, he did time for a "measly" million dollars!!

[breezy424]

The Bentley is a comp from the dealer in exchange for the dealership's name being shown on the show.  No surprise there.  Just like they have shown the license plate holder with the dealership's name on Teresa's Mercedes.

[Lablover27]

The Bentley is a comp from the dealer in exchange for the dealership's name being shown on the show.  No surprise there.  Just like they have shown the license plate holder with the dealership's name on Teresa's Mercedes.

 

When is this shit going to happen to us?  I would like a Range Rover and I will take a picture of it and put as my profile picture on FB.  I will tweet about it.  I will instagram about it.  I will put in my signature line at all the other message boards I visit.  I will visit 200 more.  Dang.  And we are not criminals!!!!   {No porn shots on the Range Rover, I have SOME standards.}  Stupid us, we pay for our vehicles.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Lablover27

[casey65]

I just saw an ad for a Fabellini signing.... October 8th, Theresa appearing at a NJ restaurant, when you purchase a bottle of Fabellini she will sign it and you can take a photo with her.....is this just optimistic thinking? How does she know she will be free to do this on the 8th.

?

[jaync]

Okay, I'll play:

Teresa - 22 months

Juicy - 39 months

 

If the kids were to be unfortunately separated, who would get custody of Audriana, Dina or the fertility clinic?

[jaync]

Fishnets and cooch cutters on a 13-year old...good fucking grief. Way to fly that pimp flag, Teresa.

[jinjer]

I just saw an ad for a Fabellini signing.... October 8th, Theresa appearing at a NJ restaurant, when you purchase a bottle of Fabellini she will sign it and you can take a photo with her.....is this just optimistic thinking? How does she know she will be free to do this on the 8th.

?

Last time this happened (Teresa announcing attending an event) the next thing that was announced was a delay in the sentencing.

[zoeysmom]

Federal differs from state court-usually if you are out on bond you have 45 days to report.  It can be extended if the BOC is waiting for beds.  There is always a chance this show could still be airing when and if she reports. 

[Rahul]

If the kids were to be unfortunately separated, who would get custody of Audriana, Dina or the fertility clinic?

 

My vote is for the fertility clinic. They can hold Audriana for ransom until the Giudices cough up at least half of the owed payments.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Rahul

[Rahul]

Trash begets trash, I suppose. Some cycles are hard to break.

[Almost 3000]

So is she really pregnant? Will they finally get that baby boy? Will it delay her prison time? The bad decisions just keep rolling along. I always thought a great story for them would have been living over the pizza parlor but I guess prison will have to do...

Edited September 26, 2014 by Almost 3000

[Rahul]

So is she really pregnant? Will they finally get that baby boy? Will it delay her prison time? 

 

If she is pregnant, I'm willing to bet Teresa thought her pregnancy would somehow evoke the judge's sympathy and lessen her sentence, if not do away with time served in prison altogether.

 

This kind of manipulative behavior really gets my goat. If there is any truth to this tabloid rumor, I hope Teresa is forced to deliver behind bars while incarcerated. That is how much I loathe this woman.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Rahul

[HumblePi]

Okay, I'll play:

Teresa - 22 months

Juicy - 39 months

 

If the kids were to be unfortunately separated, who would get custody of Audriana, Dina or the fertility clinic?

As long as it's not me, i don't care who takes custody of the little demon spawn.

[ghoulina]

I would like Kathy to get them, because A. Her kids seem fairly normal and B. I think it would really drive Tre nuts. 

[HumblePi]

If she is pregnant, I'm willing to bet Teresa thought her pregnancy would somehow evoke the judge's sympathy and lessen her sentence, if not do away with time served in prison altogether.

 

This kind of manipulative behavior really gets my goat. If there is any truth to this tabloid rumor, I hope Teresa is forced to deliver behind bars while incarcerated. That is how much I loathe this woman.

What's to love?

 

[mwell345]

 

If she is pregnant, I'm willing to bet Teresa thought her pregnancy would somehow evoke the judge's sympathy and lessen her sentence, if not do away with time served in prison altogether.

 

That's what I think - actually, when I heard the pregnancy rumor, my first though was it was a stroke of genius, or very, very good luck.  I can't imagine a judge is going to jail a pregnant mother with 4 other young children.  I just don't think it will happen, at least not in this case. I think  Joe will do the time and she'll get house arrest. And a spinoff.

[portia7]

The kids will probably be like the O. Henry story. The ransom demanders turn into people who actually pay the  parents to take their children back. So in this scenario, Audriana's fertility doc will pay the Giudices to take her back (esp if Aud is coupled with Milania).

[Lablover27]

The kids will probably be like the O. Henry story. The ransom demanders turn into people who actually pay the  parents to take their children back. So in this scenario, Audriana's fertility doc will pay the Giudices to take her back (esp if Aud is coupled with Milania).

 

Too funny.  Not that I would, but I would never commit a felony with my husband because the thought of my sister-in-law raising my 15 year old ...  crossing myself, probably the wrong way. 

 

I caught the rerun of the episode where Dina's psychic friend told Tre she would be moving.  She said no way back then.  I also caught the episode where Tre admitted she MAY have been wrong to her brother when they were taste testing the stupid other flavors of BLK water.  Wacko's head interview said Tre would never ever admit anything.  True dat.  {I know she pled guilty.}

 

Where can I send my letter via Fed Ex to the Judge?  ;)

http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/09/26/giudice-court-update-judge-allows-letters-from-concerned-citizens-in-teresagiudice-bankruptcy-fraud-case-rhonj/

Edited September 27, 2014 by Lablover27

[Jennifersdc]

Rhetorica - I want to change my Teresa jail sentence pool. I'm upping it from 9 months to 12. I've decided to go with my original gut feeling before I actually read the indictment. Never put in for Juicy, but I'm in for 36 months (assuming the DMV fraud will run concurrent). I'm also in for no deportation, but wouldn't that not be decided until after he serves his time? Hopefully at that point we'll have lost interest.

Remember the winner (loser) gets Fabellini and Milania hair care products! Just let me know where to send the check for my share.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Jennifersdc

[bosawks]

I say Joe initially gets 3 years but then gets time tacked on for distilling liquor out of cleaning supplies while jailed.

Tre gets sentenced to raising Milania devoid of help. So life......

Edited September 27, 2014 by bosawks

[mwell345]

OK -Jumping into the pool.

 

Joe - 36 months.

 

Teresa  - nothing (or house arrest) - by nothing, I mean no jail time.

 

I've had this feeling since day 1 that she was not going to do jail time. Don't know why.  She should, but I don't think she will.

[poeticlicensed]

Not going to speculate about sentences, but I have a warm fuzzy feeling because  Tre must be shitting her pants right about now, as the sentencing is right around the corner. Our last weekend as a family. Wah wah. 

[Rhetorica]

OK -Jumping into the pool.

Joe - 36 months.

Teresa - nothing (or house arrest) - by nothing, I mean no jail time.

I've had this feeling since day 1 that she was not going to do jail time. Don't know why. She should, but I don't think she will.

Got it, but what about the spinoff?

[mwell345]

 

Got it, but what about the spinoff?

 

Oh if she doesn't go to jail and he goes - definitely see the spinoff. 

[Jennifersdc]

I'm a no on the spinoff.

[zoeysmom]

Too funny.  Not that I would, but I would never commit a felony with my husband because the thought of my sister-in-law raising my 15 year old ...  crossing myself, probably the wrong way. 

 

I caught the rerun of the episode where Dina's psychic friend told Tre she would be moving.  She said no way back then.  I also caught the episode where Tre admitted she MAY have been wrong to her brother when they were taste testing the stupid other flavors of BLK water.  Wacko's head interview said Tre would never ever admit anything.  True dat.  {I know she pled guilty.}

 

Where can I send my letter via Fed Ex to the Judge?  ;)

http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/09/26/giudice-court-update-judge-allows-letters-from-concerned-citizens-in-teresagiudice-bankruptcy-fraud-case-rhonj/

I remember at the beginning of this thread the debate was about how much would the Court consider from the show-I would have never dreamed the Court would be considering reading letters from the public.  I guess technically all Americans are victims.  I wonder if there aren't corresponding letters from Teresa's fans attesting to what they have seen on TV and how she is an amazing mom and she shouldn't go to prison because Jacqueline and Chris filed BK too.  (Actually they didn't-Chris and his brother's company did-but I have found Teresa's more rabid fans tend to disregard the facts.)

 

I wonder if this will delay sentencing once again. 

[Higgins]

I think that is ridiculous. The judge should decide the sentence on what she is charged with and pled guilty to not what some reality star audience thinks........ period. What a circus. Is this even for real?

[TheFinalRose]

Not going to speculate about sentences, but I have a warm fuzzy feeling because  Tre must be shitting her pants right about now, as the sentencing is right around the corner. Our last weekend as a family. Wah wah.

 

 

Does anyone know what time the sentencing will take place? I'm beginning to think this is really going to happen and I want to clear my schedule for Thursday. lol

[zoeysmom]

I think that is ridiculous. The judge should decide the sentence on what she is charged with and pled guilty to not what some reality star audience thinks........ period. What a circus. Is this even for real?

It depends if the Giudices' crimes had an impact on the concerned citizens who wrote the letter.  Forever, defendants have gathered letters of support from friends and family and submitted them to the court for consideration.  If the concerned citizens are people that say lived in the apartments that had an overdue power bill of $51,000.00.  Joe used a generator to get power to the units that emitted potentially lethal fumes.  The paying tenants had to move out because of Joe's acts.  The loan that enabled Joe to own the property was fraudulent.  Or maybe the letters are complaining that in the past five years since filing for BK and lying to the Court they have continued to live high on the hog. Their fraud touched a lot people indirectly.  Maybe a person who applied for loans and didn't get them because there weren't funds available because of the felons.  I doubt the court will entertain a letter that says Teresa gossiped about her sister in law or Joe got into a fight with his BIL at his nephews' christening.

 

So maybe the decision will be if the concerned citizens letters can not be considered neither can the letters supporting the Giudices. 

[Higgins]

If the judge is asking victims for impact statements, that is different than putting the call out for letters from the general public (concerned citizens). I get impact statements. They are apt to get thousands of letter from fanatics and Teresa haters alike. How much will that cost in time and money to sift through?

[LotusFlower]

It reads to me like the letters have already been submitted. That's why Teresa and Joe's lawyers are objecting - they either know or are guessing that the bulk of the letters are from victims, and the contents of the letters are likely really harsh. The Sept 29 date (this Monday) is simply the hearing. The judge will hear arguments for and against the letters, and then make a decision.

[zoeysmom]

If the judge is asking victims for impact statements, that is different than putting the call out for letters from the general public (concerned citizens). I get impact statements. They are apt to get thousands of letter from fanatics and Teresa haters alike. How much will that cost in time and money to sift through?

It is the price of fame.  it is like letters written to the White House somebody goes through them all.  How many people do you imagine wrote the Court?  Really thousands?  There aren't even thousands of people writing on blogs and forums about these people. Then how many people who wrote the Court had a personal connection?  I think the can be easily whittled down to pertinent few.  I would think the Teresa fan letters would be easy to pick out.

 

 

It reads to me like the letters have already been submitted. That's why Teresa and Joe's lawyers are objecting - they either know or are guessing that the bulk of the letters are from victims, and the contents of the letters are likely really harsh. The Sept 29 date (this Monday) is simply the hearing. The judge will hear arguments for and against the letters, and then make a decision.

 

I think it is kind of a waste of time.  In order for the judge to rule on the letters the judge has to read them.  I know she has the amazing judicial mind that simply erases everything deemed inadmissible-by her, in this case.  This judge has had a pre-sentencing report since at the very latest June.  Since that time there have been probably many additions but I would think she has a pretty good picture of who the Giudices are and what sentence is appropriate.