2020 Auditions, Finals, and Training Camp

[scorpio1031]

8 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

Besides Jayln not making it back to show group last year, when is the last time a girl hasn't made it the next year? (Aside from being cut all together?) I know someone said ,"it's not the first time, or the last time", even though we haven't seen it in the show. I feel like the first we saw was Jayln. Now this year we have Cianna and Hannah not making it, but we didn't hear anything about it. 

Emma didn't make it back for her second year

[go4luca]

21 minutes ago, scorpio1031 said:

Who is really surprised by this though?

Oh I'm definitely not.  Especially considering their so-called bubble and what appears to be lack of overall consistent Covid protocol.

9 minutes ago, KellyKapowski said:

😒😆I don't know who this @esc_nl is but i legit see them being ridiculous EVERYWHERE 

She was on here under a couple names.

Edited December 30, 2020 by go4luca

[pinkandsparkly13]

And Kelli looked like she didn't give a damn about Meredith's emotions or cutting her. But she had the audacity to say it was so hard for her. Please bitch! And I'm not even a big fan of Meredith. I felt bad for her. 

[5678Pixie]

Shelly commented on Kristin's solo.  

shellybramhall

Beautiful

 

[Tinydancerxo28]

7 hours ago, Lona said:

Kristin speaking out!

YEEEES! Go girl! You didn't deserve that.

So glad she’s speaking out but I hope TPTB don’t punish her for it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a current cheerleader stand up for herself like that. I think it was a huge error on their part to make her solo that is about systemic racism and injustice look bad. 
 

also, can the show please stop pretending they were adhering to guidelines? In one scene, you have an assistant telling them only 5 on a stage at a time and then you see the girls talking with each other without masks on🙄

[ClassicPegg]

17 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

Besides Jayln not making it back to show group last year, when is the last time a girl hasn't made it the next year? (Aside from being cut all together?) I know someone said ,"it's not the first time, or the last time", even though we haven't seen it in the show. I feel like the first we saw was Jayln. Now this year we have Cianna and Hannah not making it, but we didn't hear anything about it. 

Emma, season 7

[5678Pixie]

This episode was fun to watch, they showed so much dancing.  These girls are a great group.  Kelli and Judy are so cold though.  How do they cut a vet and not even feel remorse?  Kelli fake wiped a tear.  

[ClassicPegg]

18 minutes ago, Trixi said:

And Melissa’s thoughts on VK for point🤮

I find it interesting they showed nothing of Jalyn’s solo. Makes me think if they did they wud have a hard time justifying her not making show group🤔

I'm happy to see that Melissa still has her head firmly planted up Victorrhea's ass...  🙄

[kalibean]

Heather making it official that she’s retiring...not a surprise, but it’s a sweet post.
 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJaDqGFMCsN/?igshid=zkjs3hal8k63

Edited December 30, 2020 by kalibean
Clarity about Heather’s post.

[scorpio1031]

5 minutes ago, kalibean said:

Heather making it official...not a surprise, but it’s a sweet post. 

Ok.  I am missing it.  Is she engaged?

[LizzyBeth]

33 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

And Kelli looked like she didn't give a damn about Meredith's emotions or cutting her. But she had the audacity to say it was so hard for her. Please bitch! And I'm not even a big fan of Meredith. I felt bad for her. 

Agree. She had this cold look on her face while Meredith was crying and talking. Then, when Meredith was walking out, she looked at Judy and saw that she was crying so she started wiping her eyes.

[incaprincess]

1 hour ago, Blue hues said:

Best get used to seeing this...VK for point!  Who is her biggest competition for point?

Wait . . . Isn't Maddie point again this year?

[Blue hues]

2 minutes ago, LizzyBeth said:

Agree. She had this cold look on her face while Meredith was crying and talking. Then, when Meredith was walking out, she looked at Judy and saw that she was crying so she started wiping her eyes.

Kelli has always seemed cold and fake.  Her “smile” seems fake, as if she is just exposing her teeth, and the emotion never makes it to her eyes.  Rachel W has more feeling behind the yes when she smiles!

[Holly85]

1 hour ago, go4luca said:

Well, well, well.  

We don’t know how true that is or who this person is I take  it with a grain of salt 

[lemonbus230]

3 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

We don’t know how true that is or who this person is I take  it with a grain of salt 

It’s true. Victoria hasn’t danced at the last two games. Kelli was not at the second to last game.

[jammen]

Ok but the main question I have not concerning the dancers but Judy and Kelli themselves..haha like that's anything new.. but anyway, why aren't they wearing masks in the bubble? Tonight for instance, when they were announcing SG members all of the girls were wearing masks. If the staff has to, what makes it so different for them not to wear their masks at all times as well? This is a genuine question and I was highly confused. Anyone else? 

Edited December 30, 2020 by jammen

[Holly85]

2 minutes ago, lemonbus230 said:

It’s true. Victoria hasn’t danced at the last two games. Kelli was not at the second to last game.

Victoria was there tho at the eagles game this past weekend I’m so confused 

[laprin]

2 hours ago, BossKeyBlessed said:

I’m sure this will be unpopular but Kristin’s solo she posted is horrible. Just because someone WANTS to speak out against social justice (And most of us do!) and chooses a particular “song” to play, does not make a dance performance good. Kudos to Kristin for what she tried to do… some of her dance moves were good.  But no one can say that she did the song justice. The judges reaction on the show was live and immediate after they saw it with the correct music. No conspiracies to taint Kristin...It just wasn’t good.  This is supposed to be Show Group auditions, not a social justice performance art gathering.  Also, like EVERY other dance on the show, they can’t use the actual music she used because of that artist’s licensing prohibiting them to do so, so CMT has to pick something else.  What other music would you have chosen to go with such a strange solo??

As a black woman, I am grateful for all allyship. I have also always liked Kristin. However, i agree that the solo was not great. If you take away the message and look at it objectively, it really did not hold up well against most of the other performances. I was not moved at all while watching it. 

[BunnyHop96]

2 hours ago, TUOwl84 said:

Gorgeous pics! But those god damn tan jazz shoes are coming back to haunt me lol

[onthebubble]

3 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

Victoria was there tho at the eagles game this past weekend I’m so confused 

Not sure  when VKs quarantine was meant to start / end and I am not even sure what the specific rules are there but is there anything to prove that VK was actually there at the game?  I do social media for a local sports club and we have a bunch of photos taken throughout the year that we use on socials but we could use a photo in December that was taken in July. If VK wasn't there and this is just a photo that they have chosen when she was meant to be quarantining, then that's not a good look for sure, but it wouldn't be the first time their social teams have messed up. 

[Jennv]

Wow, Kristen's family are calling Kelli put now.  hope Kristen was planning on retiring, because i think she is toast for sure now. 

[Holly85]

1 minute ago, onthebubble said:

Not sure  when VKs quarantine was meant to start / end and I am not even sure what the specific rules are there but is there anything to prove that VK was actually there at the game?  I do social media for a local sports club and we have a bunch of photos taken throughout the year that we use on socials but we could use a photo in December that was taken in July. If VK wasn't there and this is just a photo that they have chosen when she was meant to be quarantining, then that's not a good look for sure, but it wouldn't be the first time their social teams have messed up. 

Thank you so much for the explanation I was so confused I appreciate you for clearing that up for me and make it make sense 

[Tuxcat]

All of the Melissa R. commentary tonight was done in the outfit she wore in last week's episode.

In the show group judges grid she is wearing a longer sleeve orange shirt with blue earrings and her hair down. But all the commentary is done in a sleeveless red shirt with dangly blue hoops (last week's episode) and hair up The comment about Marissa being a rockstar - VK being point - Alora Rose dancing next to VK.. all of them. I guess that is more evidence to add to the incredibly scripted nature of this show. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Tuxcat

[Holly85]

1 minute ago, Jennv said:

Wow, Kristen's family are calling Kelli put now.  hope Kristen was planning on retiring, because i think she is toast for sure now. 

Or Kelli is burnt toast crispy bacon or whatever lol 

[Pau84]

2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

I really can't figure out what they were hoping to achieve by featuring negative criticism about Kristin's solo. Did they not consider the ramifications of editing and harping on it specifically? Kristin is on the team - they don't have to build a story for her. So the big question - did Kelli and Charlotte know this was the direction MTT took?

So true.

Yes, Kelli and Charlotte know this was the direction MTT is taking since they are executive producers. This makes it even more crazy. Kelli and Charlotte took a no win scenario when they could have easily just bunny-hopped over this hot potato. Another bad decision.

 

1 hour ago, BossKeyBlessed said:

I’m sure this will be unpopular but Kristin’s solo she posted is horrible. Just because someone WANTS to speak out against social justice (And most of us do!) and chooses a particular “song” to play, does not make a dance performance good. Kudos to Kristin for what she tried to do… some of her dance moves were good.  But no one can say that she did the song justice. The judges reaction on the show was live and immediate after they saw it with the correct music. No conspiracies to taint Kristin...It just wasn’t good.  This is supposed to be Show Group auditions, not a social justice performance art gathering.  Also, like EVERY other dance on the show, they can’t use the actual music she used because of that artist’s licensing prohibiting them to do so, so CMT has to pick something else.  What other music would you have chosen to go with such a strange solo??

I am on #TeamKirstin but I agree there is a clear distinction between speaking out on issues (which is good), the time and place one chooses to do so (which could be counterproductive) and the actual way how this speaking out is executed.

It should be very clear to Kristin that this performance just flew miles over Kelli's and Charlotte's head and as always when these two mental midgets don't understand something they disapprove of it.

 

[kalibean]

1 hour ago, scorpio1031 said:

Ok.  I am missing it.  Is she engaged?

Edited my post for clarity! She’s hanging up her poms and moving back to Arizona. Four years of long distance is a lot, so extra good on her and her bf for sticking it out. (And their dog is adorable too!)

[sweetietee]

5 hours ago, SMP637 said:

Kristin just posted her solo with music to her Instagram.  I don't know how to post it here, but it was beautiful....CMT and TPTB did her dirty. They should be ashamed of themselves. 

And to see the team all in the comments supporting and uplifting her makes me so glad because CMT and DCC should be ashamed of what they just tried to pull on that woman. 

[go4luca]

52 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

We don’t know how true that is or who this person is I take  it with a grain of salt 

Of course.  Everyone decides for themselves what they choose to believe.  For me, it doesn’t surprise me one bit.  But I definitely think that chick responding to dcc_insider, the one with her own DCC Insta fan group, is whacked.

I’m also midway surprised this comment was allowed to remain up on the MTT IG page.

17 minutes ago, kalibean said:

Edited my post for clarity! She’s hanging up her poms and moving back to Arizona. Four years of long distance is a lot, so extra good on her and her bf for sticking it out. (And their dog is adorable too!)

I guess now I’m the one missing something. We already knew that Heather retired and moved back to AZ.

[dbell1]

Ironically, the DCC instagram has Kristin doing a Merry Christmas sign language spot a few days ago. And then they do this hatchet job? I’d have more respect for them judging the dance than distorting the message. 

And Gina deserves better for her solo than to have a rookie doing a half screen with her. Fuck the editing this year.
 

[Trixi]

7 hours ago, BunnyHop96 said:

You mean to tell me some damn good veterans got cut... and she didn't? Kelli literally says she "just" made it on the team last year and now this?

I get that there is DEFINITELY editing going on here and hopefully the solo would have been better with the original music but good lord I am getting tired of Kelli's double standards with these girls. Kat is consistently below the 36 line but "she's so pretty!" Gah! I'm just annoyed and taking it out on this board lol

Now Kristen barely made it last year?🤔 I thought it was Kat, Lily and Meredith. For a world class team, they sure do keep a lot of just so-so dancers🤷🏼‍♀️

[DCCFan2021]

9 minutes ago, Trixi said:

Now Kristen barely made it last year?🤔 I thought it was Kat, Lily and Meredith. For a world class team, they sure do keep a lot of just so-so dancers🤷🏼‍♀️

Last year's class was very obviously split between a few fabulous dancers and a bunch of relatively weak dancers. Aside from those few standouts, it was a weak year and they had to keep some strugglers to meet that 36 mark. Why the hell they took 37 in such a weak year I will never understand.

[Trixi]

11 minutes ago, DCCFan2021 said:

Last year's class was very obviously split between a few fabulous dancers and a bunch of relatively weak dancers. Aside from those few standouts, it was a weak year and they had to keep some strugglers to meet that 36 mark. Why the hell they took 37 in such a weak year I will never understand.

I could have sworn I heard Kelli say that this was the most talented group she has ever seen last year😂

[DCCFan2021]

1 hour ago, Trixi said:

I could have sworn I heard Kelli say that this was the most talented group she has ever seen last year😂

Of course it was, because her darling Victoria was part of that class and her talent outweighed everybody else's flaws! (Not bashing Victoria, just Kelli's blatant favoritism)

[vanillagum]

4 hours ago, go4luca said:

I guess now I’m the one missing something. We already knew that Heather retired and moved back to AZ.

lol mte, is she even on the squad this year? i thought she retired at the end of last season

[Lona]

7 hours ago, Spunkyyy said:

 

Also no talk on why Cici didn’t make it back!

 

Or Erin making it!

[JapMo]

8 hours ago, vanillagum said:

Ok, I just watched Kristin's solo on her insta, and I'm getting legitimately emotional. She is so wonderful. She went WAY out of her way to do something devoted to racial injustice, when she didn't have to, for a group of people she knew wouldn't welcome or care for it. That was so brave of her. She knew she was on thin ice with these people (they never seemed to like her, and I'm sure she knows she "barely made the team"), and she did it anyway. She went out of her way to make an actual statement, and they edit it with some garbage track and make it seem like she's some wack job who has no idea how to dance to music. FUCK them. This is actually so amazing to me; I never expected a DCC to do anything like this. 

I know people will be upset with my opinion, but there's an old saying.....if you got a message, call Western Union.  Kristin is auditioning for a professional, competitive cheerleading team.  Arguably the best in the country.  I've had a lot of complaints about Kelli, Judy, et al in the past, but they were watching 42 or something dancers who each had composed a solo routine with the intention of being judged on it to make/stay on the team and possibly get into Show Group.  And they are supposed to recognize that one woman is using it to make a statement about racism?  Was that all Kristin wanted to do....make a statement?  Or was she also trying to deliver a top notch, quality dance performance that shows off her incredible talent?  Because that's what she was supposed to be doing.  That's what Charlotte, Melissa, Kitty and the others were judging her on, yet now those same people are being roasted for being insensitive and the show lambasted for editing. 

You're upset that Kristin got a bad edit?  I wonder how Vivian feels watching You Tube for the last 5 plus years and hearing K&J pretty much laughing at her for the original poem she wrote and read to them, or Chelsea, in Groundhog Day fashion, reliving her embarrassing dismissal from TC over and over.  I'm sure Victoria would love to crawl in a hole everytime CMT airs the episode where she got cut from the team and responded with tears mixed with non-waterproof mascara that created black rivulets all the way down her cheeks.  Ever think how frustrating and humiliating it must be for all the veterans who got cut in Training Camp over the last 10 years to know that particular painful moment in their lives is now available to any Pluto subscriber and there's nothing they can do about it?  Unfortunately, if you sign up to be on a reality show, this is the kind of thing that can happen to you.  They want ratings, and they aren't above making people look like idiots to do so.  I don't believe, like some, that Kelli or even Charlotte have any real say-so in the editing process.  They may have the title of Executive Producer, but from what I've read no one gets editing privileges except the owners of the show.  

[sATL]

Is there ONE place we can see everyone's full solo? Or can we put all of the Instagram snippets (if there is where the  solos links are coming from) in one place - like a thread of its own? It would be easier to follow that way...

Edited December 30, 2020 by sATL

[JapMo]

1 minute ago, sATL said:

Is there ONE place we can see everyone's full solo? Or can we put all of the Instagram snippets (if there is were the  solos links are coming from) in one place - like a thread of its own? It would be easier to follow that way...

I'd LOVE to see that.

[sATL]

to all of who know about the dance moves/skills - 

Marisa did a move towards the end of what was shown of her solo, where she got up from the floor, on the front of her foot/toes. What is that move / skill/ technique called ?

Edited December 30, 2020 by sATL

[Wahoodancer]

10 hours ago, Peanutflutter33 said:

Misrepresenting performances and using editing to support their storylines and justify their bad decisions in disgusting. I hope there is major backlash from vets after this season...more ladies need to speak up. It’s clear the entire DCC organization does nothing to promote female empowerment or a healthy work environment for women. 

Yes! And stop calling it a bubble! If the women did not quarantine for 14 days with their own bathroom and bedroom, wear masks around others, and socially distance before entering a training camp, they did not create a bubble. There was time for the virus to incubate in someone. Add to training camp the obvious times where there was not strict social distancing or masking and the one day audition  members, and it was definitely not safe. 
 

For Hannah, if we’re just going by editing, give her a pass for school. She doesn’t have time to put in extra hours for practice like other team members do with her finals and projects in the two weeks she was there. Some could argue that other people did full time jobs, but at least with those, if you’ve been in them long enough, you could get less sleep to practice and go on autopilot with them. This is newer material that requires more sleep, and it’s masters level material. 

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, vanillagum said:

6 hours ago, go4luca said:

I guess now I’m the one missing something. We already knew that Heather retired and moved back to AZ.

lol mte, is she even on the squad this year? i thought she retired at the end of last season

Yeah, I think she's just listing good things that happened to her in 2020, which included having completed 4 years with DCC (retired spring 2020):

[sATL]

1 hour ago, Wahoodancer said:

Yes! And stop calling it a bubble! If the women did not quarantine for 14 days with their own bathroom and bedroom, wear masks around others, and socially distance before entering a training camp, they did not create a bubble. There was time for the virus to incubate in someone. Add to training camp the obvious times where there was not strict social distancing or masking and the one day audition  members, and it was definitely not safe. 
 

For Hannah, if we’re just going by editing, give her a pass for school. She doesn’t have time to put in extra hours for practice like other team members do with her finals and projects in the two weeks she was there. Some could argue that other people did full time jobs, but at least with those, if you’ve been in them long enough, you could get less sleep to practice and go on autopilot with them. This is newer material that requires more sleep, and it’s masters level material. 

Good point about Hannah busy with school. Goes back to my mystery question as to what did the vets do with their time .. who are the other Vets that are in school ?

Yes some did work full time jobs at home, but statistically, from an unemployment rate viewpoint, I would think some vets would have been laid off, or had more time on their hands , due to the shutdown. So they had time to create and polish routines.  Also at their level of dancing, it is possible they knew of of a small studio location where they could go dance and train.  Yes - ABC studio couldn't hold classes for children, but they could open up at 5 AM for a private solo client. And many studios did transition to online/zoom sessions.

Edited December 30, 2020 by sATL

[Agent Gully]

1 hour ago, JapMo said:

I know people will be upset with my opinion, but there's an old saying.....if you got a message, call Western Union.  Kristin is auditioning for a professional, competitive cheerleading team.  Arguably the best in the country.  I've had a lot of complaints about Kelli, Judy, et al in the past, but they were watching 42 or something dancers who each had composed a solo routine with the intention of being judged on it to make/stay on the team and possibly get into Show Group.  And they are supposed to recognize that one woman is using it to make a statement about racism?  Was that all Kristin wanted to do....make a statement?  Or was she also trying to deliver a top notch, quality dance performance that shows off her incredible talent?  Because that's what she was supposed to be doing.  That's what Charlotte, Melissa, Kitty and the others were judging her on, yet now those same people are being roasted for being insensitive and the show lambasted for editing. 

You're upset that Kristin got a bad edit?  I wonder how Vivian feels watching You Tube for the last 5 plus years and hearing K&J pretty much laughing at her for the original poem she wrote and read to them, or Chelsea, in Groundhog Day fashion, reliving her embarrassing dismissal from TC over and over.  I'm sure Victoria would love to crawl in a hole everytime CMT airs the episode where she got cut from the team and responded with tears mixed with non-waterproof mascara that created black rivulets all the way down her cheeks.  Ever think how frustrating and humiliating it must be for all the veterans who got cut in Training Camp over the last 10 years to know that particular painful moment in their lives is now available to any Pluto subscriber and there's nothing they can do about it?  Unfortunately, if you sign up to be on a reality show, this is the kind of thing that can happen to you.  They want ratings, and they aren't above making people look like idiots to do so.  I don't believe, like some, that Kelli or even Charlotte have any real say-so in the editing process.  They may have the title of Executive Producer, but from what I've read no one gets editing privileges except the owners of the show.  

 "In television, an executive producer may often be the writer, creator or lead in the series. An executive producer will be on the project of a television series or film from start to finish. They are in charge of multiple aspects of the projects including casting and hiring, writing, editing, financial decisions and scheduling." (Source: https://careertrend.com/what-does-an-executive-producer-do-13709780.html )EP's have a great deal of power.

Full disclosure: I refuse to purchase this season of DCC: MTT. I get my information from this board, and clips from here, IG, etc.

Having seen Kristen's performance to her original music and the clip of her audition (with ill fitting music), I personally would have like to have seen her do more. However, she was given more than a bad edit, it was a very deceptive edit. In using their choice of music (which was the equivalent of using jive music to a waltz), of course she wasn't hitting poses or moves on specific beats. When seeing it with the original music, she did put emphasis type moves where they belonged. The words of Kanye West made the theme of her dance obvious. We were not allowed to see/hear it as it was intended to be seen/heard in any way shape or form. 

The fact that several CURRENT DCC commented on or liked Kristen's practice video when they normally are too afraid to say anything but "Yes Ma'am" to TPTB, speaks volumes. I'm sure this season hasn't been a lot of fun for the rookies not being allowed to announce they made the team til after the season has ended and the veterans for not having many opportunities to perform. Add in losing 4 of their team mates through cuts,  perhaps many of them have decided to hang it up after this season and are upset enough to speak out regardless of the consequences. Everyone has a breaking point, and some of these gals seem to have reached it.

[sATL]

How long must the rookies keep quiet , if the made the team ?

When can the vets announce they are retiring ? 

Kinda a heard secret to keep quiet as I imagine they told quite a few people they were trying out in the 1st place (parents , siblings, cousins, boyfriends, former teachers, cheer/dance mates, personal trainers, etc).. so all of these people are supposed to not say anything or one just keeps avoiding the question/answer..

{just trying to think of how many family secrets of good news were kept in my own family...}

Edited December 30, 2020 by sATL

[Wahoodancer]

19 minutes ago, Agent Gully said:

 "In television, an executive producer may often be the writer, creator or lead in the series. An executive producer will be on the project of a television series or film from start to finish. They are in charge of multiple aspects of the projects including casting and hiring, writing, editing, financial decisions and scheduling." (Source: https://careertrend.com/what-does-an-executive-producer-do-13709780.html )EP's have a great deal of power.

Full disclosure: I refuse to purchase this season of DCC: MTT. I get my information from this board, and clips from here, IG, etc.

Having seen Kristen's performance to her original music and the clip of her audition (with ill fitting music), I personally would have like to have seen her do more. However, she was given more than a bad edit, it was a very deceptive edit. In using their choice of music (which was the equivalent of using jive music to a waltz), of course she wasn't hitting poses or moves on specific beats. When seeing it with the original music, she did put emphasis type moves where they belonged. The words of Kanye West made the theme of her dance obvious. We were not allowed to see/hear it as it was intended to be seen/heard in any way shape or form. 

The fact that several CURRENT DCC commented on or liked Kristen's practice video when they normally are too afraid to say anything but "Yes Ma'am" to TPTB, speaks volumes. I'm sure this season hasn't been a lot of fun for the rookies not being allowed to announce they made the team til after the season has ended and the veterans for not having many opportunities to perform. Add in losing 4 of their team mates through cuts,  perhaps many of them have decided to hang it up after this season and are upset enough to speak out regardless of the consequences. Everyone has a breaking point, and some of these gals seem to have reached it.

Yes, I think some of her accents could have been harder. But it was still technically proficient and well choreographed to the music. The edit made it look much worse. 

[Trixi]

2 hours ago, JapMo said:

I know people will be upset with my opinion, but there's an old saying.....if you got a message, call Western Union.  Kristin is auditioning for a professional, competitive cheerleading team.  Arguably the best in the country.  I've had a lot of complaints about Kelli, Judy, et al in the past, but they were watching 42 or something dancers who each had composed a solo routine with the intention of being judged on it to make/stay on the team and possibly get into Show Group.  And they are supposed to recognize that one woman is using it to make a statement about racism?  Was that all Kristin wanted to do....make a statement?  Or was she also trying to deliver a top notch, quality dance performance that shows off her incredible talent?  Because that's what she was supposed to be doing.  That's what Charlotte, Melissa, Kitty and the others were judging her on, yet now those same people are being roasted for being insensitive and the show lambasted for editing. 

You're upset that Kristin got a bad edit?  I wonder how Vivian feels watching You Tube for the last 5 plus years and hearing K&J pretty much laughing at her for the original poem she wrote and read to them, or Chelsea, in Groundhog Day fashion, reliving her embarrassing dismissal from TC over and over.  I'm sure Victoria would love to crawl in a hole everytime CMT airs the episode where she got cut from the team and responded with tears mixed with non-waterproof mascara that created black rivulets all the way down her cheeks.  Ever think how frustrating and humiliating it must be for all the veterans who got cut in Training Camp over the last 10 years to know that particular painful moment in their lives is now available to any Pluto subscriber and there's nothing they can do about it?  Unfortunately, if you sign up to be on a reality show, this is the kind of thing that can happen to you.  They want ratings, and they aren't above making people look like idiots to do so.  I don't believe, like some, that Kelli or even Charlotte have any real say-so in the editing process.  They may have the title of Executive Producer, but from what I've read no one gets editing privileges except the owners of the show.  

I think more people are upset with the horseshit edit than Kristen making a statement.  They went on and on about how awful it was but she still made the squad. So basically they said ‘Who’s solo can we mercilessly rip for ratings/drama?’  We’ve still not seen any reason for Brennan and Lily’s cuts. Can we please just see dancing?  

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3 hours ago, JapMo said:

I know people will be upset with my opinion, but there's an old saying.....if you got a message, call Western Union.  Kristin is auditioning for a professional, competitive cheerleading team.  Arguably the best in the country.  I've had a lot of complaints about Kelli, Judy, et al in the past, but they were watching 42 or something dancers who each had composed a solo routine with the intention of being judged on it to make/stay on the team and possibly get into Show Group.  And they are supposed to recognize that one woman is using it to make a statement about racism?  Was that all Kristin wanted to do....make a statement?  Or was she also trying to deliver a top notch, quality dance performance that shows off her incredible talent?  Because that's what she was supposed to be doing.  That's what Charlotte, Melissa, Kitty and the others were judging her on, yet now those same people are being roasted for being insensitive and the show lambasted for editing. 

You're upset that Kristin got a bad edit?  I wonder how Vivian feels watching You Tube for the last 5 plus years and hearing K&J pretty much laughing at her for the original poem she wrote and read to them, or Chelsea, in Groundhog Day fashion, reliving her embarrassing dismissal from TC over and over.  I'm sure Victoria would love to crawl in a hole everytime CMT airs the episode where she got cut from the team and responded with tears mixed with non-waterproof mascara that created black rivulets all the way down her cheeks.  Ever think how frustrating and humiliating it must be for all the veterans who got cut in Training Camp over the last 10 years to know that particular painful moment in their lives is now available to any Pluto subscriber and there's nothing they can do about it?  Unfortunately, if you sign up to be on a reality show, this is the kind of thing that can happen to you.  They want ratings, and they aren't above making people look like idiots to do so.  I don't believe, like some, that Kelli or even Charlotte have any real say-so in the editing process.  They may have the title of Executive Producer, but from what I've read no one gets editing privileges except the owners of the show.  

I don't think making a statement on racism is 'unprofessional.' It's not like she thought that would give her an in—if anything, the opposite, as we saw. Just because she put more meaning behind it didn't mean she gave up on making the dance good and showing off her talent. Was it the most amazing, most trick-filled spectacle ever? No. Was it beautiful and cool to watch? Yes. She thought it did both things at once—showed off her skill and said something she wanted to say. I don't see anything wrong with that. 

And yes, I can be upset/annoyed that Kristin got a bad edit. I've been annoyed with lots of bad edits. Just because they happen all the time doesn't mean we can't discuss or be upset about them. I don't really get your point. 

Also, it's one thing to get cut from TC on camera. It's another to have the people in charge go out of their way to make you look bad when it really wasn't that fucking bad. They tried to make her look like a clown. 

Seems like you're basically saying we can't critique or have an emotional reaction to anything this show does ever, because that's just 'how it is.' Which completely defeats the purpose of a message board. 

[M1977G]

I should have started with this thread after watching the episode rather than going to the episode thread first! All the news and tea are here. Someone posted on the other board that they thought Kristen was getting punished for bringing a social agenda to her solo, and I innocently asked, what do you mean? I did not expect the answer or fallout to be what I found here.

I also commented on the other thread (in the same post) that I thought Kristen's choreography and execution looked kind of strange and sloppy, which it did. But seeing the whole routine to the music she chose, night and day difference. She did hit musical accents and I disagree with Charlotte about the dance missing the emotional point of the song. Was it the most outstanding solo of the night? Nope. Was it "terrible," as Kelli said? Nope. She showed solid (if not impeccable) technique, a couple strong tricks, graceful, and mostly pretty lines and feet. If Kelli can bring some unknown token black country singer to talk with them about speaking out and being true to themselves, I don't see how or why picking a song that speaks to racial injustice is unprofessional or inappropriate for the context. Now, would I choose a Kanye song if I wanted to make any kind of social statement, especially one about race? Never. But that is just me and doesn't reflect on Kristin's solo.

I'm impressed with Kristin's clap backs online! She is not caring about burning bridges, and she probably feels the organization burned its bridge with her and may not care what they think of her response. I noted that Lexie, Gina, Brianna, Brennan, Rachel A, Lily, Ashlee, Kelcey, Erin, Marissa, and Taylor J all commented on her post of the full dance to the original music. I may have missed some but I'm not willing to scroll through all the messages. The point is, I agree that an unusual number of current DCC are posting in support of a teammate who openly critiques how she has been treated on the show. It's strange to me that they would distort her performance and drag her like that AND keep her on the team. That seems more cruel than if they had cut her, somehow. I am expecting this to be Kristin's last year (obvi) as well as Briana's.

Edited December 30, 2020 by M1977G

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Someone did post Kristen IG link solo on the eposide thread, which may be quicker to find than going through the 160+ pages on this thread looking for a specific source.

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32 minutes ago, vanillagum said:

I don't think making a statement on racism is 'unprofessional.'

Agreed - look how many Fortune 500 companies made statements this year! Shoot, my own CEO not only made recorded statements to our entire org but he also took the opportunity to declare Juneteenth a company-wide holiday. Disregarding and blatantly ignoring human rights is unprofessional. 

Not to mention the ENTIRE NFL org rebranded to support BLM with special messaging in the end zones, allowing players to wear apparel and display messaging on their helmets, etc. And what about MBMC? That's literally the TPTB encouraging the team to support causes.