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S04.E03: Risky Business


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1 hour ago, Spike said:

There are plenty of disabled people in relationships with non-disabled people.  Would you make that argument about race as well?

Yes, I prefer to date ppl of my own ethnicity. That's not to say I won't date others. But my preference is ppl who are more similar to me in that way. Same w/ religion.

But that was not my point. My point is Ed feels self conscious bc of his physical appearance, which is a symptom of his medical condition. Why exacerbate his feelings of self consciousness? Why not choose someone who might also have an atypical appearance due to a medical condition? Again, wasn't talking about ppl in general w/ disabilities. I'm talking about those who are self conscious about them when dating.

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3 hours ago, Colfrmb2 said:

When they were professing their love for each other and talking about what they wanted out of life, he should’ve mentioned that he was done having children. Pretty much every single one of these people who want to immigrate to the US are determined to pop out a kid or two to solidify their stake in the American Dream.  

David Poor and Josh were at least somewhat honest w/ Annie and Aika about their vasectomies (tho kept dangling the reversal carrot).

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31 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Yes, I prefer to date ppl of my own ethnicity. That's not to say I won't date others. But my preference is ppl who are more similar to me in that way. Same w/ religion.

But that was not my point. My point is Ed feels self conscious bc of his physical appearance, which is a symptom of his medical condition. Why exacerbate his feelings of self consciousness? Why not choose someone who might also have an atypical appearance due to a medical condition? Again, wasn't talking about ppl in general w/ disabilities. I'm talking about those who are self conscious about them when dating.

When did he say he feels self-conscious?  He lied about his height, which many men do.  He couldn’t really hide his face, lack of neck, greasy hair etc.

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17 minutes ago, Spike said:

When did he say he feels self-conscious?  He lied about his height, which many men do.  He couldn’t really hide his face, lack of neck, greasy hair etc.

In the first episode he said he calls himself Big Ed bc he is uncomfortable about his height. He said when preparing for the trip he is nervous bc he knows Rose is out of his league. And in the airport, he self-consciously pointed out his height issue and asked her if she was OK w/ his appearance. It's fairly obvious he is self conscious bc of his appearance. 

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4 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

Wouldn't he feel less "unattractive" if he stopped measuring himself against typical-bodied ppl? Wouldn't he feel less judged and more confident? I know he wants the young hottie, as a lot of ppl do (especially men). But is it worth the insecurity and nagging feeling you're just paying for someone to who is out of your league to be with you? 

I'm not saying being typical-bodied means a person is better. I'm just saying this based on what he has shared about not feeling good enough for her.

There are dating sites for ppl w/ physical differences. There are support groups. There are drs offices and physical therapy centers. Plus just real life. He has never encountered anyone w/ a physical difference he was attracted to?

 

I've had a longstanding joke with my brother that older people who are either short or not traditionally handsome should dress like teenagers with dyed hair, piercings, tattoos, skate clothing, etc. since especially if they are short, it's not like they're taken seriously anyways, so the oddity of seeing an old man dress cool might make them more attractive. George Costanza is short, so it makes sense; Bill Nye isn't short, but he looks more hip with that shit on him (both pics are Photoshopped, if that wasn't obvious). I imagine Ed would look pretty cool in skate clothing and some red hair.

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

In the first episode he said he calls himself Big Ed bc he is uncomfortable about his height. He said when preparing for the trip he is nervous bc he knows Rose is out of his league. And in the airport, he self-consciously pointed out his height issue and asked her if she was OK w/ his appearance. It's fairly obvious he is self conscious bc of his appearance. 

Height and appearance are not the same thing.  A shorter man can be handsome and do well.

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6 minutes ago, calpurnia99 said:

Why was Ed wearing stockings underneath shorts? Or were they high knee socks? Leggins under shorts? WTF kind of look is this?

They are compression pants. It was laughed about upthread, that he is trying to look like a basketball player, etc. It is a cool look in certain circles, I guess. But I was thinking that being on a plane can be difficult for ppl w/ high blood pressure. It can cause extremities to swell. So he might need them for that reason.

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5 minutes ago, Spike said:

Height and appearance are not the same thing.  A shorter man can be handsome and do well.

His height is part of his appearance. And he dislikes his height. And admits he is scared Rose won't like the way he looks. 

It's not a therapy session. He's not deconstructing every single thought he has ever had about it. But it's clear he is not a man who is confident in his looks. That would include his height and his graying hair for sure. Would also prbly include his weight and neck issue (but I'm just guessing there).

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16 minutes ago, InternetToughGuy said:

I've had a longstanding joke with my brother that older people who are either short or not traditionally handsome should dress like teenagers with dyed hair, piercings, tattoos, skate clothing, etc. since especially if they are short, it's not like they're taken seriously anyways, so the oddity of seeing an old man dress cool might make them more attractive. George Costanza is short, so it makes sense; Bill Nye isn't short, but he looks more hip with that shit on him (both pics are Photoshopped, if that wasn't obvious). I imagine Ed would look pretty cool in skate clothing and some red hair.

 

 

 

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Oh gosh! Now I'm thinking of that weird baby clothes and diaper fetish. Taking your theory to the extreme LOL

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11 minutes ago, Spike said:

Height and appearance are not the same thing.  A shorter man can be handsome and do well.

For a long transoceanic flight they are supposed to lessen the chance of your dying like Heavy D. did.

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1 hour ago, calpurnia99 said:

 

We were very very very fortunate to have been born in the United States (or Canada) or a wealthy first world nation.

It's simply sad the discrepancy in this world. And most Americans go around with their noses in their air, like they actually DID something to be born here.

While I don't disagree w/ you totally, part of the issue is that the best and the brightest and most driven of many countries emigrate to places like the US to pursue better options. And in doing that, they hurt their home countries (by removing themselves as a resource). If the best and brightest and most driven Americans left, the US wouldn't be shit. We're great bc of the tiny contributions each one of us makes and the cumulative effect of the contributions of our foreparents over past generations.

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Paraphrasing Usman:  Well, I'm not attracted to her, but she DOES have lady parts, so what the hell.

Has anyone on this franchise EVER been more poetic?  More romantic?  More head-over-heels in love? 

Since I basically love the Yahoo boys (and don't want to think they'd be friends with an asshole) I'm going to interpret it as Usman saying "I'll lie there, close my eyes and think of the green card" NOT as Usman saying "It really doesn't matter who, as long as they have lady parts."  The first - I understand being willing to pay the price.  The second is just gross.

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7 hours ago, sasha206 said:

OMG, your poor friend and her family.  I cannot even imagine how you move on after that.

I'll never forget the funeral...they had a double casket and both little girls wore their Halloween costumes. It was horrible. The dad was in the burn unit for weeks. Though he technically recovered, it weakened his heart and he passed away last year. It was a sad story all the way around.

I re-watched this episode this morning and Geoffrey gets creepier with every viewing. He can go sit down with his sad sack act of her not sleeping with him on the first night.

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3 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

But that was not my point. My point is Ed feels self conscious bc of his physical appearance, which is a symptom of his medical condition. Why exacerbate his feelings of self consciousness? Why not choose someone who might also have an atypical appearance due to a medical condition? Again, wasn't talking about ppl in general w/ disabilities. I'm talking about those who are self conscious about them when dating.

I think besides the height, Ed was self conscious because he lied so badly about his age.  It's not fully a matter of like dating like, it's don't lie your ass off to someone you will meet in person who is younger than your daughter.

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1 minute ago, Kangatush said:

I think besides the height, Ed was self conscious because he lied so badly about his age.  It's not fully a matter of like dating like, it's don't lie your ass off to someone you will meet in person who is younger than your daughter.

How old did he claim to be?

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I will say that Lisa does dress age appropriately.  There's nothing flopping out, or being used for storage.

And Stacey is a total cow.  She could not love this situation more.  She gets to sit around, engaged to a younger man (they will never get married), and being all judgey about Darcey. 

 

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To me, Ed is repulsive because of his personality. He just gives me a creepy vibe.

Im the kind of person who is attracted to the personality. The most handsome man is ugly to me if his he is a chronic Ahole.  I went to high school with a guy who was the most unfortunate looking dude at boarding school. He had bad bone structure, severe acne scars, etc.  But due to his stellar personality and making us girls laugh non stop, he never lacked for a date. He had his choice of the ladies and this was at a school where the boys outnumbered the girl by about 10:1.;;

That dude had it going on! Sharp as a tack and wicked sense of humor that he used to keep our school well stocked in fun times. All these years later, we still swoon over our beloved Hawkeye ( his nickname). 

 

 

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Ed grew on me in the preview for the next episode, but we can't talk about that yet. I'm still not a fan, but I'm no longer totally turned off. 

My husband's gaydar was booming last night. First he wondered why "the gay guy was the bachelor" and then he wondered why the "gay guy was in Russia with a woman". (He had zero information about the behind-the-scenes stuff.)  I didn't understand why he kept pressing Varya and guilt tripping her. She just said she didn't want to share his hotel room that night, and he was acting like she'd donned an iron chastity belt and hired three chaperones. I'm glad she stood her ground. 

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2 hours ago, MrsBug said:

To me, Ed is repulsive because of his personality. He just gives me a creepy vibe.

Im the kind of person who is attracted to the personality. The most handsome man is ugly to me if his he is a chronic Ahole.  I went to high school with a guy who was the most unfortunate looking dude at boarding school. He had bad bone structure, severe acne scars, etc.  But due to his stellar personality and making us girls laugh non stop, he never lacked for a date. He had his choice of the ladies and this was at a school where the boys outnumbered the girl by about 10:1.;;

That dude had it going on! Sharp as a tack and wicked sense of humor that he used to keep our school well stocked in fun times. All these years later, we still swoon over our beloved Hawkeye ( his nickname). 

 

 

This is how I feel about Ash! I can't look at him objectively because he repulses me and therefore is 0% attractive in my eyes.

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9 minutes ago, Takitaki said:

This is how I feel about Ash! I can't look at him objectively because he repulses me and therefore is 0% attractive in my eyes.

I won't go so far as to say he repulses me, but I completely understand you.  Personality is a huge part of attraction.  I can't say that everyone would find my past boyfriends attractive, but I sure did.

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13 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I fully agree that he could do SOME things to improve his outward appearance - weight loss, better haircut, shaving. 

There were a couple of older close up pictures of him with shorter salt and pepper hair and a trimmed goatee and I thought he looked much better. Even his mother wanted him to get his hair cut, but Rosemarie thinks his long hair is sexy. 

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10 hours ago, MrsBug said:

Can we also agree that ash is not a relationship coach but instead is more like relationship roach?

Ash has got a pretty sweet deal. Young single women pay him to compliment them and spout relationship mumbo jumbo via Skype. 

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So, Ed was married and has a beautiful adult daughter. He claims to be divorced because he cheated. From one standpoint I feel Ed should be given a perpetual pass. I mean, come on! If someone was wanting to have sex with him...I mean, I’m sure he didn’t have a lot of hookups in his youth.  Who could blame him? But from his wife’s standpoint she was probably wondering what the hell he was thinking.

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14 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

Well, I'm not attracted to her, but she DOES have lady parts, so what the hell.

@DaphneCat- those were part of our wedding vows.  Frankly I am offended you are mocking them.

 

13 hours ago, Kangatush said:

I think like 45ish.

Oh Ed - just stick to your real age.

Geoffrey can go sit down with his butthurt feelings on NOT getting it on with Varya the first night.  My only beef is when she said "My girlfriends think......"  NO!  YOU think this, Varya!  Stand up and stand firm.  You owe him nothing.

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On 3/5/2020 at 9:55 PM, Leilani said:

Darcy's head looks like it was photoshopped onto the body with no neck.

Haha! And her body looked so weird running on the treadmill! She’s short inthe body and looked chunky. 

On 3/5/2020 at 9:55 PM, Leilani said:

Darcy's head looks like it was photoshopped onto the body with no neck.

 

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9 hours ago, magemaud said:

Even his mother wanted him to get his hair cut, but Rosemarie thinks his long hair is sexy. 

Rose could say:  "Go out and dress like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch* and that will really turn me on!" and Big Ed would be all! over! it!

*=Let's not getinto how Rose knows who Huggy Bear is - just work with me, folks.

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2 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

@DaphneCat- those were part of our wedding vows.  Frankly I am offended you are mocking them.

I said that was the MOST romantic they've shown us so far!!!  Did your vows also include he/she is "big a little bit" or "more belly than I expected"?  Or "I thought he/she was only going to be a one night stand"?  Had I been there, I would have wept at the sheer poetry of it all😍

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3 minutes ago, DaphneCat said:

I said that was the MOST romantic they've shown us so far!!!  Did your vows also include he/she is "big a little bit" or "more belly than I expected"?  Or "I thought he/she was only going to be a one night stand"?  Had I been there, I would have wept at the sheer poetry of it all😍

Well he did say that he was attracted to me 55% and called me lazy.  I said I wanted to cook his sister so so much and then I pulled my cell phone out of cleavage and insisted my sons call him Dad.  We decided it would be a too tough of a blow to deliver to talk about going raw dog.  Mixed company, ya know.

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10 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Well he did say that he was attracted to me 55% and called me lazy.  I said I wanted to cook his sister so so much and then I pulled my cell phone out of cleavage and insisted my sons call him Dad.  We decided it would be a too tough of a blow to deliver to talk about going raw dog.  Mixed company, ya know.

PLEASE, tell me you served the wine you tried to make in the closet, along with badly cooked snail, sheep's head and cow foot!!!

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1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Well he did say that he was attracted to me 55% and called me lazy.  I said I wanted to cook his sister so so much and then I pulled my cell phone out of cleavage and insisted my sons call him Dad.  We decided it would be a too tough of a blow to deliver to talk about going raw dog.  Mixed company, ya know.

Did the vows include "This could be a deal breaker." ?

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21 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

 I think if we even understood slightly what these worlds are like we would not judge someone like Rose. Someone up thread said she had a lot of nerve using Ed, he worked for his money. Pulled himself up by his bootstraps. Well he was born with boots.  

Oh how I wish more people could see this perspective.  You're making me swoon, Cal...this is the kind of heart this world needs.

Now...back to your regularly scheduled snark, people.  ☺️

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On 3/10/2020 at 1:13 PM, mmecorday said:

I grew up in the 1970s, but I watched a lot of reruns. "The Dick Van Dyke Show" was one of my favorites. So when I hear the name Rose Marie, I think of this actress:

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Yes! I grew up in the ‘90s and also watched a lot of Dick Van Dyke reruns! Every time I hear someone this season mention “Rose Marie...” the announcer inside my head exclaims “...Morey Amsterdam!!”

Now, the Rose Marie pictured above is a REAL broad. Unlike Lisa on this season who I think in her mind is a “cool broad” but in real life is a repulsive Simpsons character.

I appreciate Usman’s honesty when asked if he found her attractive and he responded (paraphrasing) that “she has a hole.”

As a man now in my latter 30s, I remember when having the “right anatomy” was enough to perform. Those days ended in my late 20s. And fun fact - pills like viagra don’t just make erections happen out of the blue. There still needs to be some base level of arousal for the pills to enhance. I’d imagine Usman will require lights off and perhaps some “inspirational visuals” displayed on his tv or computer / phone screen to perform.

Btw, One of the most horrifying moments ever on 90DF was when Lisa was taking to her friend about condomless sex and the friend said something like “it’s like taking a virgin!” 🤢 🤮 

Gross!! It was like two witches sitting around the cauldron talking about their next child victim. Imagine if it was Big Ed talking like that about a girl with a gross buddy of his. Wrong!

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2 minutes ago, HelloOutThere said:
On 3/10/2020 at 1:13 PM, mmecorday said:

 

Yes! I grew up in the ‘90s and also watched a lot of Dick Van Dyke reruns!

I grew up in the 60s watching the originals.  They still show reruns  and I have a couple dozen saved on my DVR.  The content is so dated and does not hold up well to contemporary standards, but I love all the actors and can still enjoy an occasional small dose.

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On 3/11/2020 at 4:13 PM, BallisticNikki said:

His height is part of his appearance. And he dislikes his height. And admits he is scared Rose won't like the way he looks. 

It's not a therapy session. He's not deconstructing every single thought he has ever had about it. But it's clear he is not a man who is confident in his looks. That would include his height and his graying hair for sure. Would also prbly include his weight and neck issue (but I'm just guessing there).

yet we wants and desires  "hot" girl. so forget about him dating someone who has a similar disability

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1 hour ago, HelloOutThere said:

Btw, One of the most horrifying moments ever on 90DF was when Lisa was taking to her friend about condomless sex and the friend said something like “it’s like taking a virgin!” 🤢 🤮 

I’m pretty sure that it was Lisa herself who made that comment TO her friend, but you’re right, they both cackled like witches! 

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On 3/11/2020 at 4:30 PM, Kangatush said:

I will say that Lisa does dress age appropriately.  There's nothing flopping out, or being used for storage.

And Stacey is a total cow.  She could not love this situation more.  She gets to sit around, engaged to a younger man (they will never get married), and being all judgey about Darcey. 

 

I gotta respectfully disagree.  That mullet dress?  That was straight off the forever 21 clearance rack.  And she generally appears to refuse a bra.  She cannot do anything about her gut (she can, but you know what I mean), but her insistence on wearing clothes designed for a much younger and slimmer woman aren't doing her any favors.  

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I don't get the whole calling Rosemarie a child thing. She's in her 20s and is clearly not a teenager. Even if she seems to look like a teenager, it's not like she'd date one. Even if she dated someone her age, what if they looked older than her? Would she still be a "child bride"? They're both adults. I don't know if they'll work out because it really seems like they might not.

I don't know if I like Ash or not. He seems okay, but kind of not okay. Relationship coach is a real job. I've mostly heard of people coaching men, but there has to be an audience to coach women. It's probably like being a life coach. There aren't really qualifications, it's just if people like what you say. 

I kind of like the one with the YouTube channel. I haven't seen her channel or anything, but she seems fine. The other girl's hair is nice. It's too early to tell how it will go. I don't think they're both dating a girl for attention. Way less people do that kind if thing than people think. It tends to just be a way for people to say bi people aren't real or something equally awful. And it makes sense she'd value her mom's opinion. They seem close and maybe her mom was really into her life going a certain way so it would be hard to break it to her that it's not.

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On 3/12/2020 at 9:43 AM, DaphneCat said:

PLEASE, tell me you served the wine you tried to make in the closet, along with badly cooked snail, sheep's head and cow foot!!!

That was the reception!!  Spot on!!  Then the fighting started, punches were thrown and we are all still having the same argument 2 and half years later.

 

13 hours ago, magemaud said:

I’m pretty sure that it was Lisa herself who made that comment TO her friend, but you’re right, they both cackled like witches! 

Yeah.....Lisa?  It does not work that way.

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13 hours ago, RealReality said:

I gotta respectfully disagree.  That mullet dress?  That was straight off the forever 21 clearance rack.  And she generally appears to refuse a bra.  She cannot do anything about her gut (she can, but you know what I mean), but her insistence on wearing clothes designed for a much younger and slimmer woman aren't doing her any favors.  

Did anyone else notice the footwear she had on when she arrived in Nigeria???😨

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1 hour ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

That was the reception!!  Spot on!!  Then the fighting started, punches were thrown and we are all still having the same argument 2 and half years later.

Was the fight over how to cut on the bias?

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8 hours ago, StitchPunk said:

I kind of like the one with the YouTube channel. I haven't seen her channel or anything, but she seems fine.

I've already chosen her as my most disliked (female) participant so far. She's trying way too hard to get attention and her comments are just juvenile, like "What are you going to do today?" "I don't know, I guess I'll eat some CHEESE" like it was a hilarious response. If that's any indication of her thousands of texts with Erika, they seem like a waste of time. I've read somewhere that some of her You Tube videos are just as ridiculous, like how instructions on how to poop! 

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8 minutes ago, magemaud said:

I've already chosen her as my most disliked (female) participant so far. She's trying way too hard to get attention and her comments are just juvenile, like "What are you going to do today?" "I don't know, I guess I'll eat some CHEESE" like it was a hilarious response. If that's any indication of her thousands of texts with Erika, they seem like a waste of time. I've read somewhere that some of her You Tube videos are just as ridiculous, like how instructions on how to poop! 

And since the majority of her videos are click bait and for shock value I have zero trouble believing she'd make something up to be on TV.

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