S16.E14: A Diagnosis

[PepSinger]

1 hour ago, DenverDogLover said:

I am just glad that Amelia has put herself first and is protecting her emotions and her heart. 

Amelia needs absolutely no help or encouragement to put herself first because that’s what she always does.

Amelia is wrong. This shit is ri-damn-diculous. You do not get to decide whether you will find out who the father of the baby is. Now, it IS up to her if she wants to determine paternity before birth, but after? No. Link —and Owen, for that matter— would be well in their rights to get a court-ordered paternity test. Fuck this, “My sisters will help me raise the child” crap. She willingly had sex with a man, and pregnancy is a consequence of sex. She knows that. When pregnancy happens and you decide to keep the baby, that man has a right to raise his own child! WTF?

Amelia is infuriating. Thanks, writers, for making her a shitty character again and destroying the only healthy relationship on this show. 

[statsgirl]

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Meredith: How do you tell a healthy obsession from mania?

Me:  You consult a psychiatrist. Or a psychologist. Someone who has had years of actual training in order to be able to tell the difference.

57 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Until now. I, too, have liked DeLuca up 'til now. I've never had a problem with him, but dammit, the show just can't have me liking a character, so he had to go and throw a childish temper tantrum for . . . reasons. I get that his father was bipolar but geez, he's been up for three days straight, you think it might be that instead? This is all so contrived and pointless.

I agree that it's very contrived.  Although I figure that the consulting doctor only dropped in occasionally and that's why she wanted Deluca to be on the case 24/7.

But there is a big difference between a temper tantrum, which is a regular on this show, and a manic episode. If it is BPAD, if might be interesting to see how a surgical resident could handle it, although personally I'd rather see a Tourette's storyline.

1 hour ago, UNOSEZ said:

But if the baby is what moved the relationship from a 5 to a 8...  Isn't it possible it could move it back... Or it could move to a 10...

It would be impossible for me in Amelia's position to go back to an 8 much less to a 10.

Linc thinking that he had fathered a son, and Amelia thinking that Linc loved her the way she wanted to be loved, was what moved the relationship. Now Amelia knows that for Linc, it's dependent on whether the baby has his DNA.

Everyone deserves to be with someone who wants to be with them for who they are, not someone who is with them only because she's the biological parent of their child. In Amelia's position, I'd be saying to Linc "Sayonara, I'll see you next when it's time to exchange the baby."

19 minutes ago, DenverDogLover said:

 And this is only Grey's Anatomy timeframe land...   do we even know if it's been days, weeks, months since this all came to light? Amelia needed a good cry session and realize that she has support, the support of her sisters, no matter what...   and now she can progress forward.

That's a good point, that now that Amelia knows she has the support of her sisters she can move forward. Everyone needs unconditional support, and especially in order to face difficult situations.

Even with the Grey's timeline, it has to be at least a week since Amelia first told Linc. It was three days that Deluca's patient was off all treatment and before that it was several days where first Deluca tried to solve it on his own and then the diagnostic doctor was brought in to consult and she tried for a few days.

ETA:  Whatever side we're on, I think that most of us can agree that the s how has ruined this relationship for the sake of stupid drama.

Edited February 21, 2020 by statsgirl

[h8omb]

When we first met Perez (I think that's his name?) at Pac North, I honestly assumed the guy playing him was a fan who had won some sort of contest for which the prize was a walk-on role on an episode of Grey's Anatomy. The acting was that bad.

But now he's at GSMH? With a band of misfit interns who are apparently all terrible? Great.

[iMonrey]

If there was such a short time period between Amelia's last hookup with Owen and her first hookup with Linc, then why hasn't Owen himself wondered if the baby is his? It's Owen we're talking about after all. This hasn't even occurred to him? That seems . . . unlikely. 

And I get that Amelia doesn't want to be with Linc if he's not sure whether he wants to be with her if the baby isn't his. That's fine. But the response to that should not be "then screw the paternity test I'm not even gonna do it." WTF. You still need to know who the father is, moron. These are two separate issues. 

[PepSinger]

1 minute ago, iMonrey said:

And I get that Amelia doesn't want to be with Linc if he's not sure whether he wants to be with her if the baby isn't his. That's fine. But the response to that should not be "then screw the paternity test I'm not even gonna do it." WTF. You still need to know who the father is, moron. These are two separate issues. 

EXACTLY.

[NUguy514]

It really feels like I jumped off this train at exactly the last second.  I'm now two weeks into non-watching, and I feel great, guys and gals!

It really does seem like Krista set Amelia and Linc, the only good thing about this disaster, on fire, and I'm fine not bearing witness to that.

I've always thought Alex was an asshole and a bully, so I don't care if they're writing him in the worst possible way for his exit.  Par for the course.

I agree with @iMonrey and @Ohwell that McWidower isn't attractive.  The shaved head makes him look like a dildo.

Oh, and Andrew is suddenly bipolar, maybe?  After exactly one episode with no prior clues or indications?  Uhhhhh......we've now reached the "Is this because I'm a lesbian?" circle of hell in our journey.

[ams1001]

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Me:  You consult a psychiatrist. Or a psychologist. Someone who has had years of actual training in order to be able to tell the difference.

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

 

Oh, I thought you had his OB/GYN sister come to work at the same hospital to keep tabs on him...I really don't understand doctorin', I guess.

14 minutes ago, h8omb said:

But now he's at GSMH? With a band of misfit interns who are apparently all terrible? Great.

Worse, I'm pretty sure Bailey referred to them as residents, not interns.

12 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

If there was such a short time period between Amelia's last hookup with Owen and her first hookup with Linc, then why hasn't Owen himself wondered if the baby is his? It's Owen we're talking about after all. This hasn't even occurred to him? That seems . . . unlikely. 

And I get that Amelia doesn't want to be with Linc if he's not sure whether he wants to be with her if the baby isn't his. That's fine. But the response to that should not be "then screw the paternity test I'm not even gonna do it." WTF. You still need to know who the father is, moron. These are two separate issues. 

Does Owen know she's further along than she thought?

Someone mentioned that Amelia is still processing everything...well, so is Link. She dropped this on him and now he's a terrible person for not being able to immediately and unequivocally say it doesn't change anything? I think it's naive to think that if the baby is Owen's it won't have an effect on his relationship with Amelia, even if he does genuinely love her. Why does Amelia get to "need time" but he doesn't? (But yes, that's definitely separate from the paternity test issue.)

Edited February 21, 2020 by ams1001

[ams1001]

4 minutes ago, NUguy514 said:

Oh, and Andrew is suddenly bipolar, maybe?  After exactly one episode with no prior clues or indications?

And after they made of point of acknowledging that he's been so caught up in this patient and her mystery illness that he hasn't slept in days. A few days of literally no sleep will begin to bring on symptoms of mental illness even in a healthy person. So the question then is: are his symptoms due to the lack of sleep (for which they have an obvious reason, since the guest doctor seemed to be encouraging him in not taking a break and they already knew he was determined to save the patient, which was why he brought her there in the first place), or is his "obsession" and lack of sleep a symptom of an illness that is just now beginning to manifest itself (my quickie google said bipolar typically manifests around age 25, and I think the character is a few years older than that, so I guess he's in the right age range for first onset)?

[iMonrey]

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Does Owen know she's further along than she thought?

No, but the split second he heard she was pregnant he should have wondered if he could be the father. Even if the way it's presented was "Amelia and Linc are having a baby" his first reaction should have been "are you sure? Could it be mine?" It's Owen. Even if it wasn't Owen, if your ex started dating someone ten minutes after you broke up and then announced she was pregnant, wouldn't you wonder? 

I had always assumed there was more of a lag between bed partners but apparently not, according to Amelia herself in this episode. 

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Oh, I thought you had his OB/GYN sister come to work at the same hospital to keep tabs on him...I really don't understand doctorin', I guess.

She can't make an official diagnosis, she's his sister. It's against medical ethics to treat a family member.

Andrew's mother took him and left their father in Italy. Carina grew up with her bipolar dad. She saw firsthand what it looked like and the toll it took on them.

BPAD is a heredity disease and it is very difficult for the person who has it to be aware that he or she has. That's one of the reasons people go off their medication and start the cycle again, they can't tell where they are even if they know they have the illness.

Carina was concerned that her brother had inherited their father's illness so she requested to do her research at the same hospital where he works so that she could keep an eye on him. Watching him now, with all the symptoms of a manic phase, she expressed her concerns to Meredith.

It's just Carina's bad luck that both Meredith and Bailey are conceited idiots. Neither of them would accept a dermatologist making a difficult surgical decision; why do they think they're qualified to determine whether Andrew is having a temper tantrum or a manic phase? When someone tells you that it may be a psychiatric disorder, get a specialist who is qualified to check it out. I'm sure Chicago Med would be happy to loan you Dr. Charles.

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

And I get that Amelia doesn't want to be with Linc if he's not sure whether he wants to be with her if the baby isn't his. That's fine. But the response to that should not be "then screw the paternity test I'm not even gonna do it." WTF. You still need to know who the father is, moron. These are two separate issues. 

I don't think that I've read anyone say that Amelia shouldn't do the paternity test at all.

The question is whether she should do it on Linc's timeline, immediately and with the risk of hurting the baby, or wait until he is born which is safer and gives everyone time to process the possibilities, although I don't think Owen should be told until it's definite that the baby is his.

[ams1001]

12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

She can't make an official diagnosis, she's his sister. It's against medical ethics to treat a family member.

I know; I was just being snarky.

12 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's just Carina's bad luck that both Meredith and Bailey are conceited idiots.

This is true.

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I'm sure Chicago Med would be happy to loan you Dr. Charles.

Just don't call in Dr. Frome at New Amsterdam.

[UNOSEZ]

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

The question is whether she should do it on Linc's timeline, immediately and with the risk of hurting the baby, or wait until he is born which is safer and gives everyone time to process the possibilities, although I don't think Owen should be told until it's definite that the baby is his.

But that's never been shown as the reason Amelia is dragging her feet on this... She's holding all this up( putting aside Link and his feelings for a second... a possible nuke on owen and teddy's new relationship) because she needs Link to pass some purity test "on her timeline" or he can't know if he's gonna be a father.. I think we can stipulate that both Amelia and Link fell deeper into each other after the news of.. And the decision to keep and parent this child... Now thru no fault of anyone Link's position has been changed.. Or possibly changed... He may be a dad.. He may be parenting with just Amelia.. He may look that kid in the face and see pieces of him... Or he may not.. And he may have to share parenting with the ex-husband and his new wife... Amelia is the Mom and only Mom in any scenario.. You would think with her position a little more secure and with her ability to clarify all of this.. So all involved move ahead accordingly she would.. But that wouldn't be the character at all... While not as bad I see her and the cheating wife's side-dude in the same vein... Causing chaos and pain while constantly telling yourself you're a good person... Hell he said it something like this " I don't care who I hurt as long as I'm not feeling the pain"

[limecoke]

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A Few thoughts. 

That speech about how you are not a terrible person, you're just terribly in love? Screw. you. Screw you and the horse you rode on. You are a terrible person...

...and everything that followed in the post by Daisy.  I was loaded and ready to fire but you basically said everything I was thinking.  Bottom line, pretty much everyone sucks.  So all of a sudden DeLuca is (maybe) bipolar.  Ok, show.  I can only assume the writer is clearing the decks for The Sun to hook up with The Irish Doctor.  I actually like Richard Flood after watching him for a season on the weirdly delightful Irish Cop Soap, "Red Rock."  He looks better with hair, at least to me.  One more thought on Andrew, I did enjoy the moment in his rant where he called out Meredith on her hypocrisy regarding rule following.  Considering Meredith's sanctimonious proclivity for breaking the law and getting away with it, his comment was pretty spot on.  Of course, she's The Sun and he's Pluto so I doubt she heard him.

[DenverDogLover]

I wonder.... if the Amelia and Linc's rolls were reversed....  and she got pregnant... and their relationship became deeper because of it....   if it would be acceptable to Amelia to say to Linc....

"You might not be the father... and if we find out that your are, well, I just don't know if I want to be with you anymore" 

And I wonder if it would be acceptable for Linc to be angry and hurt and want to end the relationship?  OF COURSE IT WOULD!!!!  

So why it is not acceptable for Amelia to say the same thing because Linc has professed that he may only want a relationship with her if the baby is his?

Amelia has never said that she will not take the paternity test. 

I get her wanting to understand where she stands in her relationship with Linc before preforming the test. 

[anna0852]

Wanting to be loved and desired for herself and not as a baby machine/mother isn't out of line. Amelia is more than her uterus. 

If Linc had said from the beginning that he wasn't sure of the relationship but let's try to make it work for the baby, then I'd have no problem with him pulling back with paternity in doubt.

But he didn't. He went all in and convinced Amelia that he loved her. That he wanted her. That they were good together. And for her to find out that that those things aren't actually true, Linc is really only with her because of the baby and now he's potentially out is incredibly painful. 

Amelia didn't do anything wrong. Going from one partner to another isn't a bad thing. Birth control failures happen and have to be dealt with. She was honest in telling Linc about the pregnancy and at that time had no reason to believe that paternity could be an issue. And when paternity became an issue, she was honest. Amelia could have just as easily kept her mouth shut. But she instead she faced up to the problem.

Only to find out the person who said they loved her didn't really mean it. He's not with her for herself, he's potentially with her provided she's really carrying his baby. Amelia is reduced (again! already been through this with Owen!) to her ability to provide children. Which sucks!

Not to mention, at the end of the day when the paternity is figured out Amelia is going to be stuck co-parenting with either Linc or Owen. For at least the next 18 years she's either going to have to deal with the guy who has apparently lied about loving her or the guy who's life she's going to have to blow up and will probably lose his s**t again when she does so. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by anna0852

[DEL901]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

If there was such a short time period between Amelia's last hookup with Owen and her first hookup with Linc, then why hasn't Owen himself wondered if the baby is his? It's Owen we're talking about after all. This hasn't even occurred to him? That seems . . . unlikely. 

And I get that Amelia doesn't want to be with Linc if he's not sure whether he wants to be with her if the baby isn't his. That's fine. But the response to that should not be "then screw the paternity test I'm not even gonna do it." WTF. You still need to know who the father is, moron. These are two separate issues. 

I thought Owen would catch on when Jo posed that hypothetical during surgery. 
 

And I feel for Linc.  Every time he turns around, another shock.  

Wanna have a fling?

Pretend to be Owen when we are with my family

Hey I’m pregnant... he had to deal with not ever wanting or expected to bea dad because he was afraid his child would get cancer, but he rose to the occasion.   
 

Then he gets another big shock... you know that baby you didn’t want but now you love and can’t wait to meet.... well... I might have been a bit off with my timing.  
 

I think he is still reeling from all the shocks.  I get Amelia is freaking out and wanted Linc’s unconditional acceptance, but he is freaking out too.  
 

My biggest fear now is that tptb will eventually get them back together and as soon as the baby is born, Linc has a relapse and dies.

[UNOSEZ]

1 hour ago, limecoke said:

season on the weirdly delightful Irish Cop Soap, "Red Rock."

Oh I loved that show.. God bless the Amazon algorithim that put that show in front of me... Sharon.. And Paudge.. The kielys and the hennessys... It was wonderful wish we'd get one more season 

 

51 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

Only to find out the person who said they loved her didn't really mean it. He's not with her for herself, he's potentially with her provided she's really carrying his baby.

Did I miss when he said this?... My understanding was that he needed some time.. And the expectation was that during this time he'd find out if the kid was his or not.. So he could figure out how he would be dealing with all this.. To ask him to go back to before when it was them in the baby bubble.. Well that burst.. The toothpaste is outta the tube.. All you can do now is accept and assess.. And Amelia seems to have decided unilateraly what Linc's decision was and Accepted it as fact.. Even tho he hasn't made one yet

[iMonrey]

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The question is whether she should do it on Linc's timeline, immediately and with the risk of hurting the baby, or wait until he is born which is safer and gives everyone time to process the possibilities, although I don't think Owen should be told until it's definite that the baby is his.

Amelia cancelled the test because she was afraid if it wasn't Linc's baby he wouldn't want to be with her. Now I guess she has no reason to do the test because she has decided she doesn't want to be with Linc after all so it doesn't matter either way. It seems to me that Amelia is just coming up with excuses not to find out who the father is. It may not matter to her but it sure as hell matters to him, whoever it is.

For what it's worth, Amelia has expressed no concern for the safety of the baby as a reason not to do the test. She said she's not doing the test because Linc didn't tell her what she wanted to hear. It's about her relationships rather than the baby. If she keeps this up after the birth, which wouldn't surprise me, Linc will have to go to court to get a paternity test.

Edited February 21, 2020 by iMonrey

[ForeverAlone]

I blame the writers and producers for the mess that is Amelia and Linc. Every dumpster worthy thing that is going on between the two of them is because the writers made conscious choices to create cheap, needless drama. I loved Amelia and Linc together, but now that they had to throw "who is the baby daddy drama" into the mix, I find that I can't even get behind them as a couple. The writers could have gone a different path, but they chose this one, and it pisses me off. 

[ams1001]

44 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

For what it's worth, Amelia has expressed no concern for the safety of the baby as a reason not to do the test.

They can do a DNA test with just a blood sample from the mother, these days - no risk to baby.

[KaveDweller]

10 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Also, also...are any of her "sisters" going to point these things out to her? Or are they just going to enable her selfishness?

 

Well the sisters are pretty selfish themselves, so I'm guessing no.

7 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Reality:  Even when both parents are in the same house, there is a primary caregiver and a secondary caregiver, especially for an infant. Equal co-parenting by separated parents is a judicial myth.

I agree there will be a primary caregiver, especially when the kid is a baby. But that doesn't mean that both parents can't have an important role.  Amelia shouldn't just get to decide she is going to do it alone

2 hours ago, DenverDogLover said:

And I wonder if it would be acceptable for Linc to be angry and hurt and want to end the relationship?  OF COURSE IT WOULD!!!!  

So why it is not acceptable for Amelia to say the same thing because Linc has professed that he may only want a relationship with her if the baby is his?

It's not unacceptable for Amelia to say she doesn't want to be with Linc, but it is pretty terrible for her to refuse to totally cut out the father and not even find out who it is. I didn't get the sense that she was waiting to do the paternity test after the baby was born. I got the sense that she just didn't think it was needed at all. Hopefully I am wrong.

1 hour ago, anna0852 said:

Wanting to be loved and desired for herself and not as a baby machine/mother isn't out of line. Amelia is more than her uterus. 

If Linc had said from the beginning that he wasn't sure of the relationship but let's try to make it work for the baby, then I'd have no problem with him pulling back with paternity in doubt.

But he didn't. He went all in and convinced Amelia that he loved her. That he wanted her. That they were good together. And for her to find out that that those things aren't actually true, Linc is really only with her because of the baby and now he's potentially out is incredibly painful. 

Am I remembering wrong, because I thought Amelia and Lincoln did say they weren't sure but wanted to try for the baby? Then they started to fall more in love.

I get why it would be painful for Amelia, but I don't think wanting to know if he's the father means he's only with her because of the baby. You can love someone and not be sure you want to be with them because of external circumstances. And I think a lot of people would be worried if they found out the person they were with was about to have a baby with their ex. It makes a very complicated relationship and he's probably afraid she'll eventually leave him.

Amelia can choose not to be with Linc, but I feel like it's a little unfair to villainize Linc over it.

But the whole storyline sucks, because in the first half of the season they were my favorite thing about the show. And now the storyline is my least favorite thing.

 

[Court]

12 hours ago, ams1001 said:

Thing is, she doesn't just get to unilaterally decide she's raising the baby with her sisters and that's the end of it for Link (or Owen, if it turns out to be his). He'd have every right to demand shared custody, and to take her to court if need be, and so far there's nothing in his story to suggest a judge would have any reason to rule against him. I'm guessing he'd have the right to ask a court to force a paternity test as well, especially since he knows there's a 50/50 chance it's his. And why is he not getting angry and telling her, "I have the right to know"? I don't buy that he'd be so passive in letting her get away with this.

Also, too many people know that it could be Owen's. How does she think that's not going to get out?

Also, also...are any of her "sisters" going to point these things out to her? Or are they just going to enable her selfishness?

 

You're correct, either Linc or Owen could. The baby deserves to know who his father is as well. Amelia needs to understand where Linc is coming from too. Instead,she's made this all about her.

 

I actually enjoyed McWidow speaking Italian. 

[PepSinger]

1 hour ago, Court said:

You're correct, either Linc or Owen could. The baby deserves to know who his father is as well. Amelia needs to understand where Linc is coming from too. Instead,she's made this all about her.

 

I actually enjoyed McWidow speaking Italian. 

I think my favorite thing about that is that it’s such an American thing to assume someone doesn’t know a second language. People who grow up in Europe, like the Irish doc and DeLuca, frequently know a second language. I was pleased, but I hardly found it surprising. Italian isn’t some mysterious language.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

5 hours ago, PepSinger said:

I think my favorite thing about that is that it’s such an American thing to assume someone doesn’t know a second language. People who grow up in Europe, like the Irish doc and DeLuca, frequently know a second language. I was pleased, but I hardly found it surprising. Italian isn’t some mysterious language.

I was going to say the same thing. I'm American but the people I knew who grew up in Europe speak at least two languages fluently and often a third or fourth conversationally.

[Sarnia]

14 hours ago, NUguy514 said:

It really feels like I jumped off this train at exactly the last second.  I'm now two weeks into non-watching, and I feel great, guys and gals!

Me too! And also feel fine!

16 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I know, right? This show has a penchant for making every single character unlikable at some point.

Exactly this. I figured I would stop watching until the Amelia/Linc plotline is resolved (which means i'm probably off for the season, at this point), and I started to figure out if there was still a character that I found likeable (or at least one I would have some interest in the story line). Maybe Bailey? Richard if Catherine is gone? Even those characters have been mangled behind recognition since the beginning of the show but I could be interested in what happens to them. Jo? Hopefully they can still find a storyline for her now that Alex is out (and please, not one that involves a love story with Linc). So what's keeping me into this show? Honestly at this point, not much.

[UNOSEZ]

6 hours ago, PepSinger said:

I think my favorite thing about that is that it’s such an American thing to assume someone doesn’t know a second language. People who grow up in Europe, like the Irish doc and DeLuca, frequently know a second language. I was pleased, but I hardly found it surprising. Italian isn’t some mysterious language.

Agreed,  my problem wasn't that he could speak Italian.. And I laughed at them being surprised that he does.. But it made me roll my eyes because its such a try hard thing for the writers to do to make him oh so perfect for Meredith... And its not like hes been paired up with anyone else for any substantial amount of time.. So they just been dropping 20 ton anvils every time the two of them are together... He's already got the Cristina stamp of approval ( hell he was gifted to Mer from Cristina... Which.. Is kinda gross but I'm not really stressing it)  he's age appropriate... He's A dept head... He's a widow..  With kids... Who aren't the same race... Oh he speaks Italian.. And he's always around Meredith... Blegh.. Maybe if they made him chase someone else around.. Maybe of they didn't make it obvious that Meredith was checking him out and comparing him to her loyal ass boyfriend who's stood by her and jumped on a grenade for her... Maybe then... But the way they're doing it now... Nope

[Bort]

14 hours ago, ams1001 said:

They can do a DNA test with just a blood sample from the mother, these days - no risk to baby.

I believe the results from that type of test only work if the mother has never given birth before. But Amelia has.

[ams1001]

2 minutes ago, kariyaki said:

I believe the results from that type of test only work if the mother has never given birth before. But Amelia has.

Hmm...that might make sense...The page I read didn't mention that.

[watch2much]

the good thing for me is I can go back to fast forwarding thru anything with Amelia in it.  given her many differing views on having a baby, she is in no position to judge Linc.  My last reaction to her last night was that I hoped she died in childbirth.  but she won't but there will probably be a crisis and Linc will realize he doesn't care whose baby it is, he lovers HER! barf.

and it makes no sense that if you have a world class diagnostician consulting to take the case and give it to a general surgeon.  I used to round with surgeons in surgical ICU  removing all drugs was a technique often used when a patient isn't responding.  but surgeons like to cut, not diagnose so they would always defer to internist.

also, I thought they had the patient on steroids at one point.  now maybe they weren't "high dose" steroids but one would still think she would have showed some improvement on them.

also, with someone with a pre-disposition to bipolar, going without sleep for that long could precipitate a manic attack.

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[iMonrey]

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I blame the writers and producers for the mess that is Amelia and Linc. Every dumpster worthy thing that is going on between the two of them is because the writers made conscious choices to create cheap, needless drama. 

I agree the writing is lousy. I don't think this show knows what to do with couples except break them up. The only reason Miranda and Ben are still together is because he left for another show. Everyone else? Splitsville.

At first, when Amelia found out she was further along than she thought, it seemed like it would just be "Uh-oh, it's Owen's baby." But then they had to make it "it could be Owen's or it could be Linc's." I agree that's pretty cheap, and needlessly contrived. They could have milked enough drama out of it just by saying it was Owen's and having Amelia and/or Linc wrestle with that. Leaving it up in the air this way compromises the integrity of everyone involved. 

[Bort]

8 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

They could have milked enough drama out of it just by saying it was Owen's and having Amelia and/or Linc wrestle with that. Leaving it up in the air this way compromises the integrity of everyone involved. 

The only one who doesn’t end up looking bad so far is Owen and that’s because he’s completely oblivious. It’s like they decided to spin this as an Owen-fluffing story. Bleh.

[Shellie]

I'm firmly on Linc's side and totally in agreement with what has been said here by those who are on Linc's side.

Neither Amelia nor Linc seemed like they were in love with each other until she found out she was pregnant. At first he was infatuated with her, then she began to like him a lot. They were comfortable together as FWB.  At first, neither was even sure they wanted a baby.  They knew they could fall in love and build a life together.  I think they both fell in love with the situation as a whole. 

The possibility of Owen being the father changed things for Linc, and that seems totally normal to me.  He's confused about how he feels and what to do, and Amelia is not understanding this at all.   

[UNOSEZ]

7 minutes ago, Shellie said:

He's confused about how he feels and what to do, and Amelia is not understanding this at all.   

She  wants an answer to a question he can't answer because he can't honestly know how he feels until he knows for sure... 

Someone upthread called the is it Linc or Owen's baby contrived... I don't totally agree... If her math was off... It was off.. If it happened in real life and you had two partners.. Who I guess both went unprotected or condom rips whatever... The question of who the bio dad is.. Is pertinent... Its Amelia's insisting that Linc Declare his unfettered love that seems contrived... Even her just wondering or asking him after the results came in.. If they were plunging ahead because of the baby, would make sense.. I'd imagine other women may have felt like that... I know some guys who have felt the need to " do the responsible " thing... They coulda explored that.. But honestly that type of reaction isn't really who they've ever written Amelia as... This kinda zero sum obliteration, selfish, confounding, self sabatoging move is right up her alley

[WinJet0819]

I am over Amelia at this point. Linc totally deserves to know who the father is. He's accepted she's pregnant. He accepted becoming a dad. He loves Amelia, and then she drops a bomb that the kid may not be his. Of course he'd want to know. He can't possibly know how he'd feel if he finds out the baby isn't is. But it doesn't mean he still shouldn't know.

Again, these storylines seem to keep catering to what the woman wants, and screwing over the man. The man has to accept what the woman wants or doesn't want. It's getting old.

[izabella]

I also think the issue for Linc isn’t just about whether he is the baby daddy.  It’s also about Owen and Amelia’s relationship.  What if the birth of an Owen-Amelia baby creates complicated feelings in both of them?  What if Owen gets possessive, like he did with Teddy and Koracik?  What if Amelia realizes she really loves Owen as baby daddy, and doesn’t really love Link despite believing she does now?  All kinds of things can change when the baby is born if it is Owen’s.  I think Link is perfectly right to say he doesn’t know how he’ll feel if Owen comes back into the picture/relationship with Amelia.  Amelia doesn’t know how she would feel either.

Edited February 23, 2020 by izabella

[Jeopardy15]

On 2/20/2020 at 10:04 PM, ams1001 said:

Getting really tired of them acting like it's somehow odd or unreasonable that Link would want to know if he's the father of this baby. He has a right to know, whether Amelia likes it or not.

This right here!!!

Amelia is being selfish. Link has every right to know if he is the father and so does Owen.  She doesn’t  just get to decide that no one will know.  

[UNOSEZ]

6 hours ago, izabella said:

I also think the issue for Linc isn’t just about whether he is the baby daddy.  It’s also about Owen and Amelia’s relationship.  What if the birth of an Owen-Amelia baby creates complicated feelings in both of them?  What if Owen gets possessive, like he did with Teddy and Koracik?  What if Amelia realizes she really loves Owen as baby daddy, and doesn’t really love Link despite believing she does now?  All kinds of things can change when the baby is born if it is Owen’s.  I think Link is perfectly right to say he doesn’t know how he’ll feel if Owen comes back into the picture/relationship with Amelia.  Amelia doesn’t know how she would feel either.

Well said... I know I have a preferred way for this to play out.. But that may or may not be in the cards.. So what I'm really hoping for is that Link.. Or somebody in Link's corner gets this message out there.. And some of the other messages that have been floating around... And then they let Amelia respond.. Say why she thinks her actions are right and proper and we go from there 

[iMonrey]

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Someone upthread called the is it Linc or Owen's baby contrived... I don't totally agree... If her math was off... It was off..

"Who's the daddy" is Soap Opera 101. It's right up there with amnesia and evil twins. This isn't top notch writing. I can't even remember the last time there was a planned pregnancy on this show, and these characters are all doctors. It's ridiculous.

[schnauzergirl]

This Amelia/Linc go-round is so contrived that I've even wondered if the writers are heading toward telling us that her brain tumor is back.

[Ohwell]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I can't even remember the last time there was a planned pregnancy on this show, and these characters are all doctors. It's ridiculous.

And they act like unprepared 16 year olds dealing with a pregnancy. 

[sarkygal]

On 2/23/2020 at 4:37 PM, schnauzergirl said:

This Amelia/Linc go-round is so contrived that I've even wondered if the writers are heading toward telling us that her brain tumor is back.

And Amelia will die during childbirth with Link raising the baby on his own. Then Jo (who is divorced from ghost Karev) gets together with Link so she doesn’t have to steal another baby.

What we come up with here can’t be any worse than the storylines we’re being fed now. 

Edited February 27, 2020 by sarkygal
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[Ohwell]

9 hours ago, sarkygal said:

And Amelia will die during childbirth with Link raising the baby on his own. Then Jo (who is divorced from ghost Karen) gets together with Link so she doesn’t have to steal another baby.

I could go for that scenario.

[RedbirdNelly]

Was this better than the last supper episode? yes. So that is good. But that is such a low bar.

* I liked Amelia and Maggie's scene together. It was nicely done.

* that's all I liked about Amelia. Her storyline makes no sense. It's impossible for Lync to give her an honest, reliable answer based on a hypothetical. She needs to give him concrete info so he can analyze reality and then see where things stand. 

* I just want Glasses and Nico to leave.  

[UNOSEZ]

38 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I just want Glasses and Nico to leave.  

Im ready for new interns.. But we as fans have to actually care.. And its hard with a cast so big full of characters whobwe care about... But I don't mind helm... And the smarmy guy who Koracik brought in could be somebody worth something.. I liked Quadri but they had her leave.. I'd like to see the doctors teaching again.. With interns dying for surgeries... I recently turned the clock back to the Mercy West Merger.. And man what a different atmosphere.. Plus I think it would give some of the more seasoned actors a break or a chance to do a lil somn else if they weren't tied up in plot lines it seems so many fans are at best ambivalent about... 

[iMonrey]

The show seems to do an increasingly worse job with each new batch of interns though. They're just never fleshed out enough for me to get a sense of who they are . . . or even remember their names. I think part of the problem is having scenes with just them, and nobody I already care about. That's not the way you get an audience to care about new characters. They need to be paired up with an established character - not necessarily in a romantic way, just paired off or involved with someone the audience cares about so they start paying attention. If you just have scenes with a bunch of newbies you've never seen before, who cares?

[Ohwell]

One of those new interns is a really heavy guy, and if I were a patient of his I'd wonder why I should listen to him if he can't even take care of himself?  

[RedbirdNelly]

the interns have gotten worse and I say that is a failure of good casting and writing. ER had its late in season issues but it did more than once bring in new people and gradually get you to care about them as they learned the ropes. I think that is what they have messed up--cast someone who can act and then work them into storylines organically--say some interesting medical cases--and gradually we start to care. Then you can expand into other storylines. 

Dr. Pratt did not join the ER cast for several seasons but I cried when he died.

[UNOSEZ]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

They need to be paired up with an established character - not necessarily in a romantic way, just paired off or involved with someone the audience cares about

Like Mark and Jackson... There are other ones but honestly that was the mentor Mentee that wasn't sexual that came to mind... Arizona was either a resident or an attending by the time we met her I can't remember... But Mark took Jackson under his wing... I learned Bout Stephanie a little with Jackson.. But more with Amelia... So I agree but we need some more mentor stories but also sleeping with the superior is kind if a right of passage for most of our fav docs and I don't see many of our established doctors hooking up with anyone... Jo will probably be off limits for a while... Koracik hooking up with someone that young would be cliche and he's slept around in that place... Maggie and Carina seem to be the only eligible doctors at the moment so even that avenue is closed... I still trust they'll figure it out

[Daisy]

17 hours ago, Ohwell said:

One of those new interns is a really heavy guy, and if I were a patient of his I'd wonder why I should listen to him if he can't even take care of himself?  

because there are a myriad of reasons why people are heavy. 
You can be actually extremely healthy (work out, eat well) and just be heavy. just as you can look like the paragon of health and be smaller - and not be healthy at all. 

 

 

[Sarnia]

18 hours ago, Ohwell said:

One of those new interns is a really heavy guy, and if I were a patient of his I'd wonder why I should listen to him if he can't even take care of himself?  

You can be overweight for a variety of reasons, including medical ones. You can have a very healthy lifestyle and still be overweight. Please don't assume that an overweight person is "not taking care of himself". I'm overweight, I take very good care of myself thank you very much, and honestly this hurts.