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Portia tells Ava that everything she worked for all her life could be ruined because of Brad. No Portia, it's because you decided to break the law and alter Heather's test results.

Nice idea to team up Portia and Nina though.  Are we heading for Who Killed Drew?

Unless Lulu went to court and got full custody of Charlotte, it's not up to her whether Charlotte can see Valentin or not. And even if it is, it's a big mistake not to let Charlotte see her father. NuLu is a true Carly.

Speaking of which, am I supposed to respect Carly for fighting so hard to be with Brennan, a man she's only known a few months. And why? Because he finds her fascinating and she's flattered? And she is so easily manipulated by Jason.

There is a long list of people that I would rather lose than Valentin A long list.

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rur

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31 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Speaking of which, am I supposed to respect Carly for fighting so hard to be with Brennan, a man she's only known a few months. And why? Because he finds her fascinating and she's flattered?

Self-centeredness was strong in that one when she essentially told Jason that having her back meant if seeing Brennan got her in trouble, she'd expect him to bail her out. 

 

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

5 minutes ago, rur said:

Self-centeredness was strong in that one when she essentially told Jason that having her back meant if seeing Brennan got her in trouble, she'd expect him to bail her out. 

She has always expected Jason to come running when she is in trouble (or one of her kids might be in trouble), regardless of which man she's involved with at the time. The difference is Jason is strongly opposed to her dating Brennan.

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dubbel zout

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Don't lie detector tests need yes or no answers to be accurate? You'd think super trainee Josslyn Jacks would point that out. It's painful to watch her "training."

I hate how happy Alexis was when she learned that Valentin was the one who took away Ava's Cassadine money, but I appreciated she wouldn't bend the rules for Charlotte.

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

it's a big mistake not to let Charlotte see her father.

I don't see why it matters to Lulu if Anna is pushing a visit for Valentin's benefit only. Charlotte came to the PCPD and asked to see her father. To me that means she will get something out of it. Lulu is such a dumbass.

Portia is another dumbass. If she doesn't want her marriage to blow up because of secrets, don't keep secrets! Good lord. Though I like the Portia/Nina thing that's going on. I did laugh when Ava peaced out: "Not my fight, but you know where I am." Absolutely the right thing to do.

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YaddaYadda

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Carly is a mess and a nightmare for any sane person to deal with. I wanna be with Jack, but if I make a mistake, which you're telling me I am and I think I am, then I know you'll be there to rescue me.

I think Donna is a hell of a lot more mature than her mother.

Speaking of mature, Drew. That conversation with Nina was vomit-inducing. I hope Nina and Portia take him down. That's the only time I'll root for Portia.

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DanaK

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20 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate how happy Alexis was when she learned that Valentin was the one who took away Ava's Cassadine money,

That was fun to learn. Valentine certainly had his hands in a lot of things though I wondered if it was a contrivance from the writers to fill in an unresolved plot hole?

22 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Don't lie detector tests need yes or no answers to be accurate?

Yep, I was thinking exactly that when I watched the scene

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Sake614

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It’s a damn shame Nina didn’t have her phone recording that conversation. I’m sure Willow would be fascinated to learn her new boyfriend thinks her mother wants him all to herself. Of course then Nina would have to explain that she was fucking Drew before Willow. And Drew would either deny it or claim that she somehow forced herself on him multiple times. Someone PLEASE get this chick into serious therapy pronto!

Portia, Portia, Portia. Curtis already knows the worst of it. Just tell him that Brad blackmailed you and that Drew is doing the same. I’m quite sure he’ll support you and help take Drew down. But no, that would be too easy.instead she has to wring her hands and whine about how her life is ruined. How exactly did this ditz get to be COS?

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Bringonthedrama

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20 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

It’s a damn shame Nina didn’t have her phone recording that conversation. I’m sure Willow would be fascinated to learn her new boyfriend thinks her mother wants him all to herself. Of course then Nina would have to explain that she was fucking Drew before Willow.

How exactly did this ditz get to be COS?

I doubt that would be enough for Willow to turn against him because he can easily manipulate her into believing he was never really attracted to Nina, but she threw herself at him in the aftermath of losing her marriage and he told her a relationship wouldn't work out. It will take some in-your-face disgusting proof or witnessed behavior for her to dump Drew.

Dr. Randolph's real co-COS got murdered by Heather while saving Carly's mini-me. I think Portia was the only other on-screen doctor (actress on contract) at the time who wasn't leaving in the foreseeable future? (e.g. Finn)

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Is that really the WSB training site? Joss lives in a windowless bunker. They use 80's style lie detectors that look like they were bought at a police yard sale. Their physical combat training appears to consist of lame sparring. Shouldn't she be studying geopolitics, etc. I would laugh my ass off if they really had Joss in a drab wharehouse in Pautauk for Brenan's own reasons. 

Wow, Jason gives Carly a mobby promise/threat: taking her hand, looking her in the eye and telling her he would kill Jack if Jack gets her killed and that would be on her. She no likey. 

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rur

rur

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2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She has always expected Jason to come running when she is in trouble (or one of her kids might be in trouble), regardless of which man she's involved with at the time. 

I'm aware of that. But usually she talks about it in a more theoretical sense, or she goes to Jason after she's already in hot water. This particular instance stood out to me because she clearly had no part of her brain screaming "Do you hear yourself????"

 

ETA: Just once, I'd like to hear Jason tell her, "Get your own damn self out of this mess that you created." 

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I was surprised at how much I enjoyed Jason's being angry with Carly over her involvement with an unfamiliar bad guy/bad guy arena versus the more familiar one of low level mobsters.  I enjoyed the irony, but would still be happy never to see either of the story lines again.

I remember liking Jack when he was so kind to Joss at Christmas, and so philosophical with her, and I can't help but wonder if the change in casting is what turned that interaction retrospectively into a prelude of his recruitment of her. I don't like him now, and I'm actually sorry for that.  Would love to have been introduced to a new, sympathetic, character.

Which brings me to Daniel Cosgrove.  His character already comes across as a sleazy politician, even if it's just because of the company he keeps (Drew), but also because DC is too good at playing that type. If he's around for the long term, I hope they reconsider, and turn him into someone we can root for.  Too many bad guys on this show already.  

I'm a Lucky/Liz fan, but I feel like there was way too little prelude within this renewal of their relationship.  There's been a passage of time, but not of presence.  He arrived to PC, met Aiden again, disappeared for long periods of time, and showed up very intermittently to advance the investigation into Cyrus.  And now Liz wants to take him to bed?  I get that they have a prior relationship, but the "prior" part is what should make her more wary. Just feels rushed to me, even while I enjoy them together.  

Maybe the writers should ask for fan input as to what to do with Anna. She's still too invested in Valentin, whose portrayer is still too unavailable, and she needs something to do.  Shouldn't Robert be back in PC soon?

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Sake614

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Fairly certain the plan was always for Jack to recruit Joss into the WSB. CMe was more suave than CMcK but nuBrennan is growing on me. I like how he doesn’t bow down to Joss and even enjoyed his ‘does it matter’ reply to her question of whether he’s just using Carly. I mean of course it matters because Carly is her mother, but if this little girl truly wants to be an agent, she’s going to have to play a role at some point. We all know she doesn’t have the temperament for this work but we’re supposed to believe she’s brave and strong just like her mommy. And Vaughn is so going to be her next love interest because she can’t be alone. 🙄

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On 3/18/2025 at 12:22 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

I was really waiting for lightning to strike Sonny, who has had one son critically wounded in childhood and adulthood, one son dead, a daughter nearly killed by a car bomb he set, and children kidnapped, for telling Valentin "you don't deserve to be a father."

Me too! Although if lightning struck Sonny every time he said or did something hypocritical, he'd look like a charcoal briquette by now.

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Bringonthedrama

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2 hours ago, JMO said:

I'm a Lucky/Liz fan, but I feel like there was way too little prelude within this renewal of their relationship.  There's been a passage of time, but not of presence.  He arrived to PC, met Aiden again, disappeared for long periods of time, and showed up very intermittently to advance the investigation into Cyrus.  And now Liz wants to take him to bed?  I get that they have a prior relationship, but the "prior" part is what should make her more wary. Just feels rushed to me, even while I enjoy them together.  

Yes! They agreed when he was in that hospital bed that they "have a lot to talk about" but they haven't talked about Lucky officially moving in/talking to Aiden about being a family under one roof/a long-term relationship.

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I sort of hate how they write Portia as a scared little girl. She’s the same age as Carly, Ava & Nina but she has to be the weak one. Give her some backbone for gods sake. Although, I do like how everybody wants to take down Drew. I’m still trying to figure out how the show is going to kill off Drew. I mean, you just know they are going to right? How and WHEN?

I thought for a second Jason was going profess his undying love for Carly but alas he didn’t. Carly did have a point though. He can’t tell what to do when it comes to Brennen. She did ask for some hard proof. Unfortunately, for Carly she doesn’t know that Jack has her daughter enrolled in Scientology. LOL!!!! I think the whole thing of Joss in the WSB ridiculous. How long until Sonny, Anna, Jason or Carly find out? Will it be days, weeks, months or years? Once someone sees Joss and her new beau in a shootout behind a dumpster they’ll put 2 and 3 together. LOL!!!

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statsgirl

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16 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Fairly certain the plan was always for Jack to recruit Joss into the WSB.

Yes. CM Brennan and Bad Accent Chloe had a conversation about the primary purpose of the WSB being in Port Charles was to recruit Joss.🤪

Because she is just the bestest of the best. Just like Carly is so hot that International Man of Mystery Brennan can't resister her.

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27 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Yes. CM Brennan and Bad Accent Chloe had a conversation about the primary purpose of the WSB being in Port Charles was to recruit Joss.🤪

Because she is just the bestest of the best. Just like Carly is so hot that International Man of Mystery Brennan can't resister her.

This is so dumb. I feel like I can say that about so much of this show (hi, Sasha!, hi Portia!), but still THIS IS SO DUMB.

If Joss had showed any aptitude for languages, psychology, acting...but there's nothing. She is a cookie-cutter spoiled rich white girl. The only thing vaguely interesting about her is not her - it's her ties, or rather her family ties to shady figures.

I think I said once that if I were so unfortunate as to be tasked with writing this Girl Spy story, I would make the WSB's actions a convoluted scheme to get Jason under their thumb. But, really, why should the WSB care about Jason, a hitman for a small-time mobster in upstate New York? I was forgetting international terrorist/arms dealer(?)/League of Evil member Jerry Jacks. (Is he dead? No matter, death means nothing.) He makes sense as a WSB target. It would make far more sense that the WSB would try recruiting his niece.

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Daisy

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2 hours ago, driver18 said:

I dont want them to kill Drew. I would prefer an attempted murder that leads to amnesia, I don't care, yes again, and a personality overhaul because:

1) CamMat lost his house in the LA FIRES.

2) He really is hot.

3) He worked so well when he first showed up, so we know he can work.

 

i am going to say this. 
Just because he lost his home in the fires, doesn't mean that should determine if he should stay on the show or not if it's time for his character to be written off the show. (i know the sentiment is basically he needs to work etc, but he still has his big gig with Hallmark and everything, so it's not like he'll be unemployed). 

I don't want him to be murdered it would be nice if the show would freaking explain this total 180 of the CamMat version of Drew because while I am liking the sleezy nefarious guy (I saw him go off on Nina the other day). it makes no sense outside of some thoughts I have but the show needs to get it together and start splain' it to to Lucy. 

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driver18

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32 minutes ago, Daisy said:

 

i am going to say this. 
Just because he lost his home in the fires, doesn't mean that should determine if he should stay on the show or not if it's time for his character to be written off the show. (i know the sentiment is basically he needs to work etc, but he still has his big gig with Hallmark and everything, so it's not like he'll be unemployed). 

No, it shouldn't matter that he lost his home but it does.  The LA fires were a horrific event. That of all the actors on this show, GH would choose to get rid of the guy who lost his home to those fires shows an appalling lack of heart and compassion. Sure, this is a business, but the show has chosen to take an incredibly popular actor and written his character in a vile way, and incredibly OOC from the inception of Drew. This was their choice.

And the optics of potentially choosing to fire the one actor in their cast--when they have so much dead weight--who lost his home in the LA fires will likely get PR. And not of the good kind. And GH most assuredly does not need that right now. Especially with BTG doing as it is.

Because, again, this is a business.

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Sake614

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3 hours ago, driver18 said:

I dont want them to kill Drew. I would prefer an attempted murder that leads to amnesia, I don't care, yes again, and a personality overhaul because:

1) CamMat lost his house in the LA FIRES.

2) He really is hot.

3) He worked so well when he first showed up, so we know he can work.

He won’t suffer if he’s not on GH. He’s got his hallmark movies and a game show, both of which likely pay more than GH.

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

If Joss had showed any aptitude for languages, psychology, acting...but there's nothing. She is a cookie-cutter spoiled rich white girl. The only thing vaguely interesting about her is not her - it's her ties, or rather her family ties to shady figures.

I think I said once that if I were so unfortunate as to be tasked with writing this Girl Spy story, I would make the WSB's actions a convoluted scheme to get Jason under their thumb.

I think the only logical reason to recruit Joss for the WSB would be to lure (a recast) Jax back to the U.S. for some reason and to try to lure Jerry Jax out of hiding if they suspected he's still alive.

It's still ridiculous that devoted dad Jax has not been a part of Josslyn's life since before she started dating Cameron.

Hey nuBrennan, you need Carly like the audience needs a migraine. Spare me.

BLQ being smug to nuLulu that Dante had sex with her once and lied to/withheld that information from Lulu is not a good look.

It serves Sonny right that he collapsed while yelling at Ava. 

It's nice to see Elizabeth, Lucas, attorney Ric, etc. having conversations at the hospital when they're not worried about patients being murdered.

I look forward to seeing Tracy and Stella have a scene together tomorrow! 

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Pingaponga

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Just a couple of small questions here.

Shouldn't James have been with Maxie at the hospital if she had a meeting with his orthopedist? I would assume having the patient there would be useful.

And shouldn't Valentine have been convicted in a court of law before heading off to an international prison in Europe for possibly the rest of the life?

How exactly is Lulu going to get a place for her and her kids if she doesn't have a job?

And I now understand why I have to wait so bloody long to see my doctors at the hospital. It's because they are busy chatting and gossiping with the nurses and other doctors, so I'm left waiting for over an hour. Why did I not understand this before???

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Kristina, I'm begging you. Seek psychological help. This obsession with destroying Ava is helping no one, least of all Avery who needs her real mother, not pseudo mother Carly.

in the same vein, Lucas, Sonny's money does not replace Avery losing Ava. Why are you people so stupid?

And speaking of stupid, the Quartermaines should just threaten Drew with the publicity of having everyone know that he is trying to move the resting place of his father and grandparents for a vendetta. That plus never being in DC to do any work should lose him the next election.

Why does Ava owe money to the IRS? Hasn't she been paying her taxes on time? If she is making enough money to owe $2 million to the IRS, then she is making enough to leverage a loan.

Lulu suddenly doesn't need money? Even if Dante helps, how is she going to support her new house and Charlotte?

There are too many idiotic plots going on at the same time.

Ric apparently doesn't believe in whatever the legal equivalent of HIPAA is.

I really need Brennan to be playing Carly because a middle-aged super spy being willing to change his life for her is just too much to accept.

7 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

How exactly is Lulu going to get a place for her and her kids if she doesn't have a job?

It is in character for this Lulu to be so impulsive that she quits her job because her feelings were hurt by Chase. But it's not a good look.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

Uh-oh, Brennan has a sekrit child.

If the WSB expects Joss to use good judgement, they will be forever disappointed.

14 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

It serves Sonny right that he collapsed while yelling at Ava. 

He won't die, so big whoop. I'm so tired of main characters having "life-threatening conditions" that amount to nothing. Carly was poisoned and didn't spend 24 hours at GH. Okay, she checked herself out without being medically cleared, but that's typical Carly. 

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

And speaking of stupid, just threaten Drew with the publicity of having everyone know that he is trying to move the resting place of his father and grandparents for a vendetta.

I KNOW. He hated all of that bad press when everyone learned he was sleeping with his nephew's wife. This will be unflattering too.

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Ric apparently doesn't believe in whatever the legal equivalent of HIPAA is.

That would be attorney-client privilege. I kind of like that Elizabeth took advantage of his feelings for her and spilled. That's decently soapy.

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JMO

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Rick wants to help Portia by asking Liz to violate HIPAA ("I just need names and dates.")  After helping her avoid false charges, he's going to help her acquire real ones.  

What a unique plot point, holding someone's heart meds hostage while they writhe on the floor.  

I like the Maxie/Lucas relationship.  

The rest of the day was snooze material for me.

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absnow54

absnow54

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Uh-oh, Brennan has a sekrit child

Ugh, it’s Vaughn isn’t it.

1 hour ago, Pingaponga said:

And shouldn't Valentine have been convicted in a court of law before heading off to an international prison in Europe for possibly the rest of the life?

I get that there are some international courts that would like to get their hands on him, but, like he just poisoned someone in Port Charles. Maybe they approved of him being extradited and will wait their turn to convict.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Lulu suddenly doesn't need money? Even if Dante helps, how is she going to support her new house and Charlotte?

Bank of Tracy is always the answer. 

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