Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[YaddaYadda]

9 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

What the Hey????  She has nothing to do with the Africa caper or even anyone adjacent to it!  Guess this gets Robert, Mac and Cody involved, too. I suppose it's gonna be a 90s-style GH action S/L where almost everyone is in play.

No, but Holly stole $100 million worth of diamonds.

[Auntie Velvet]

A couple of years ago someone asked Tristan which of Robert's love interests was his own favorite and his answer was Katherine. I was like -- eh? But I'm sure daytime actors especially have their own idiosyncratic reasons, which include a combination of personality interactions and how interesting the SL itself is.

These days, Tristan seems to light up most in scenes with Diane, however the viewers might feel about it.

Edited November 5 by Auntie Velvet

[GHScorpiosRule]

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Give NLG and DZ all the awards. Everyone else (OK, mostly everyone else) was good as well, but the two of them have been on a whole other level. 

This right here. Nancy especially gutted me yesterday. And while I have no use for these two that now play Kristina and Molly, I really liked in the last hug together, that they reached out and held each others' hands.

9 hours ago, TessHarding2 said:

Hold on one second while my head stops spinning around really fast - Holly's mother?? They resurrected Holly's biological mother who died when Holly must have been 10 years old or something?  When Holly came on the show in 1982 her mother was gone, she was raised by Nanny McTavish and Holly's father who was an inlaw to the family of con artists.  Holly's first con on her own was as an alluring young woman who would con Luke and Port Charles.  (And dontcha know that Anna's nanny was Nanny McTavish - and Nanny McTavish's son was Cesar Faison.  Another magical rewrite by the idiot revisionists from way back when.

THANK YOU! But par for the course for this show! I remember when Anna was trying to suss out Holly and claimed they had the same nanny.

As far as I'm concerned, it's Robert and Anna for me, even though I loved Robert and Holly. Even in Night Shift II, when Robert had his cancer story line, his emotional "I Love YOU MORE" to Anna just about had me in puddle of goo. The writing was so awesome and respected this show's history. Then again, it was Sri Rao who was running and writing, so there you go.

Please let this be Emma's swan song and Holly never  come back again. Since the show is doling out all these nice Robert flashbacks, how about giving me some JJ/Lucky flashbacks?

And up until when Finn proposed to Anna, Robert still wanted Anna. Not sure when that changed, though.

Edited November 5 by GHScorpiosRule

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

A couple of years ago someone asked Tristan which of Robert's love interests was his own favorite and his answer was Katherine. I was like -- eh?

I think he just gave the most diplomatic answer he could give.

[dubbel zout]

14 hours ago, dkb said:

Carly is surprisingly not annoying me as she usually is. I liked her conversation with Danny.

One thing I've always appreciated about LW is that she knows when to dial it back. 

I've been pleasantly surprised at how good the writing has been for Sam's death. Some of it has been a bit much (people saying it's their fault she died [not Rocco; his feelings felt more realistic than, say, Dante's here]; railing at God), but for the most part, it's been very thoughtful. The stuff with the younger kids has been especially strong, I think, probably because there's an experienced actor with them to set the tone.

[YaddaYadda]

Honestly, the writing has been good and the acting has been good. The only one who doesn't seem to be able to emote is Drew. Drew survived 2 years in captivity because of his daughter, but can't even reassure his daughter when she asks who will make her lunch and take her to school. This is a guy who grew up an orphan but can't even use his experience to tell his daughter the things she needs to hear.

Drew is a complete shitshow.

[ciarra]

Not that I want her around, but where is Olivia?  Her son's significant other has died, and she's not at the Q house or the hospital.

[dubbel zout]

I was thinking the same thing. I don't need to see her weep and wail and keep crossing herself, but she is Dante's other parent. And a pan of baked ziti wouldn't go amiss right now.

[KerleyQ]

33 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I was thinking the same thing. I don't need to see her weep and wail and keep crossing herself, but she is Dante's other parent. And a pan of baked ziti wouldn't go amiss right now.

That reminds me, I laughed when Molly said she'd set up a meal service for Sam.  Like Olivia wouldn't have already stocked Sam and Dante's freezer before Sam went in for the surgery. 

[JMO]

5 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

A couple of years ago someone asked Tristan which of Robert's love interests was his own favorite and his answer was Katherine. I was like -- eh? But I'm sure daytime actors especially have their own idiosyncratic reasons, which include a combination of personality interactions and how interesting the SL itself is.

These days, Tristan seems to light up most in scenes with Diane, however the viewers might feel about it.

I actually enjoyed Robert's romance with Katherine.  He was like a fish out of water, for the first time dating someone who wasn't a spy or trying to pull a con.  It's my understanding that the actress wanted to leave, which ended the duo.  

Still, my favorite pairing for him is with Anna, even if it's not a romance.  A deep affection can be nearly as powerful, and sometimes more so----but it has to be written for, and it has to be on screen, neither of which have been happening.  I agree that he lights up with Diane these days, but I can't help but wonder if what we're seeing is his glee at finally getting screen time.  ☺️

Edited November 5 by JMO

[sashabear21]

When Scout was asking who would take her to school, I halfway expected Drew to ask her where she went to school. 
 

I know it’s weird that she hasn’t been onscreen, but shhhh….don't summon the meatball monster. Then we’ll have to hear, “This is so tragic, it’s like when my cousin Maria Theresa Angelica Luisa Giulia Isabella Violetta Francesca perished while saving nuns from a fire and we made a beautiful mascarpone cake!” 

[dubbel zout]

5 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

When Scout was asking who would take her to school, I halfway expected Drew to ask her where she went to school. 

Same! And he had no idea who would make her sandwiches? Uh, you could do it, Drew. Slapping something between two slices of bread is something even you could manage.

[tessaray]

Eww. Eww. Eww. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Turned on the TV to catch the preview before I queued up the dvr. Can someone pass the brain bleach?

[mariah23]

The F@&&KENING™️ has happened on a different holiday than I thought.  Thanksgiving at the Q’s will be interesting.

[Cheyanne11]

29 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Same! And he had no idea who would make her sandwiches? Uh, you could do it, Drew. Slapping something between two slices of bread is something even you could manage.

"You are looking at an expert sandwich maker right here" - the correct answer, Drew, you loser.

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

Not that I want her around, but where is Olivia? 

In church saying 50,000 Hail Marys.

[YaddaYadda]

Were Willow and Drew having sex in the children's playroom? Because it's creepy AF. I hope there's a nanny cam in one of those teddy bears.

I know Drew kissing Willow's fingers was meant to be sexy, but I thought he looked extra sleezy. And Willow too for that matter.

[Pingaponga]

When we saw Scout in that room drawing a picture of her family, I had assumed that was her bedroom at the Q's, particularly as there were so many stuffed animals around. But I'm now guessing it's not.

How the heck does Sidwell know Sasha is Holly's daughter when no one else in the world did?

[mostlylurking]

I just finished Monday and YALL…..Nancy is just TOO REAL.  Sniffling into tissues as we speak.  I think everyone has been on point.  Spinelli got me; I remember how tight he, Sam and Jason used to be when he lived with them in the “regrettably pink room”.  Scout asking who’s going to make her lunch and take her to school (SOB).  Rocco actor surprised me actually.  Danny was probably the weakest of the kids, but I think he was also trying to stay strong for Scout.  I don’t think there was really anything wrong with Drew’s reaction.  Not everyone is going to be over the top grieving, plus he was trying to be there for Scout.  A good thing I did see was Molly and Kristina holding hands so please let’s squash their ridiculous beef now.

I am actually super surprised how horribly sad these last few days have been and how hard they’ve hit me.  Dare I say it but this is BJ’s heart levels of sadness which I didn’t expect.  

Forgot to add that although I did watch the flashbacks I fast forwarded through everything else Holly and Robert related.  It just felt wedged in and out of place with everything else happening.  I’m not mother material my ass.  Well then maybe some precautions should have been taken?  It’s a personal pet peeve of mine when people take absolutely no precautions and then have the nerve to be surprised when they fall pregnant.  News flash:  that’s what’s supposed to happen!  Be surprised if you are not taking precautions and never fall pregnant, that might be a bigger problem.  Getting off my soapbox now.

[JMO]

So many things today...

Kristina not wanting her sister "cut open", days after a major surgery.  Not wanting an autopsy despite demanding to know what happened.  Both overdone tropes, but I guess someone had to say them.

Moving to the chapel and arguing with God.  KM did a good job, given that she was saddled with the dialogue.  But what I think the writers don't understand is that these kinds of scenes only have real impact when they represent a disruption of an established relationship, which is to say that the character involved needs a history of being religious or praying in some way.  Many people remember the scene from West Wing where Bartlet lets loose, but that scene was only impactful because Barlet's faith life had already been a thread running throughout. 

Molly and TJ are acting like acquaintances, rather than like a couple, and I don't understand the point of it, nor of them.

I applaud Sasha for delivering some truth bombs to Willow, even as she held back some new, crucial information herself. As to the rest....eewwww.

More anvils about Holly being Robert's true love, and I don't appreciate them.  Does anyone else think that Diane's hair looks like a wig? 

KW looked like she'd been through something in that short scene with Alexis, and I'm drawn to wonder the toll it takes on her to play the death of a child, both in character and in real life.    

If they play this Sidwell/Sasha thing out without heavy involvement of Robert, I think I will need to be done.

[dubbel zout]

LOL that Sam's engagement ring was in a Ziploc bag. 

Another LOL was Sasha taking elaborately decorated cookies off a baking sheet instead of a cooling rack.

I loved the Nina/Ava apology and gossip sesh.

"I don't know how to be a parent, Willow." Maybe if you stuck around for more than two minutes, you'd have a better chance of figuring it out, Drew, you nimrod.

Of course Drew and Willow fuck. So much for wanting your marriage to work out, Willow. Ugh, they're gross.

Is Yuri the only security on the Q grounds?

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Were Willow and Drew having sex in the children's playroom? Because it's creepy AF. I hope there's a nanny cam in one of those teddy bears.

UGH! Willow and Michael had sex for the first time in the children's playroom while painting it. Their first time together, under paint drop cloths, was the opposite of hot.  Or was it Wiley's bedroom they were painting? Either way, yes so gross and creepy. 

[Josh371982]

Willow can fuck off with her self righteous hypocritical ass  She don't know her husband screwed Sasha, gets all pissed at Sasha cause SHE can't keep her lips out his disgusting Uncle and says she wants to work on her Marriage yet goes and fucks Creepy Uncle Drew after Sasha dropped some truth on her. Her and Drew are disgusting. Hope somehow their nasty asses get found out quickly screwing in a child's room. Can't stand Cujo and Cujo Jr but it might be good when they find out all the trouble in the Marriage. Sorry for the rant but can't stand Willow and Drew. And I'm quite Aware Micheal and Sasha aren't innocent. I really wished if the disgusting pairing was gonna happen that it would've happened before Micheals dalliance with Sasha 

Edited November 5 by Josh371982

[TVbitch]

Could someone do a Carrie Mathison chart for who has had sexual congress* with whom and who is lying to whom, cuz I am getting confused now. 

*The only congress Drew is gonna see now. 

[Bringonthedrama]

14 minutes ago, Josh371982 said:

 Her and Drew are disgusting. Hope somehow their nasty asses get found out quickly screwing in a child's room. Can't stand Cujo and Cujo Jr but it might be good when they find out all the trouble in the Marriage. Sorry for the rant but can't stand Willow and Drew. And I'm quite Aware Micheal and Sasha aren't innocent. I really wished if the disgusting pairing was gonna happen that it would've happened before Micheals dalliance with Sasha 

This marriage blow-up couldn't happen to two more deserving people. Michael slept with Willow knowing she was married to his "good friend" Chase (and Willow knew Chase was deeply in love with her) while Chase was working to get out of a wheelchair). Before that, Michael got involved with his brother Morgan's gf/wife, Kiki. 

Carly and Joss will probably run their mouths at Willow but they have no room to talk either. Michael is taking after his mother: Carly had sex with ex-husband Sonny in a limo, took a shower and then had sex with her husband Jax in the same day. Joss cheated on her boyfriend, Cameron, (who had been her friend since childhood) with Dex.

I hope Michael, Willow and Drew get some public humiliation. 

[KittyQ]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

Moving to the chapel and arguing with God.  KM did a good job, given that she was saddled with the dialogue.  But what I think the writers don't understand is that these kinds of scenes only have real impact when they represent a disruption of an established relationship, which is to say that the character involved needs a history of being religious or praying in some way.  Many people remember the scene from West Wing where Bartlet lets loose, but that scene was only impactful because Barlet's faith life had already been a thread running throughout. 

So true! The argument with God is getting overdone. You make a great point that it is only really effective if the character has a history of faith that makes this behavior jarring. For everyone else, just whining and questioning is more on point.

[KittyQ]

So Michael now knows that Drew and Willow kissed. Surprisingly, no one has posted anything about Cody's rant online, so this scandal is "contained". What makes the most sense for Drew and Willow to do? Why, now is the perfect time to finally consummate their flirtation! Clearly Willow no longer really cares about her marriage, and Drew is willing to toss his congressional aspirations out the window. 

Also, Didn't Willow and Michael have sex only a short while ago? Is this going to lead to a "Who's the Daddy" plot?  What a tangled web....

[YaddaYadda]

It's actually frightening that we might have two pregnancies at the same time and one of them might end up being a WTD.

[Josh371982]

1 minute ago, KittyQ said:

So Michael now knows that Drew and Willow kissed. Surprisingly, no one has posted anything about Cody's rant online, so this scandal is "contained". What makes the most sense for Drew and Willow to do? Why, now is the perfect time to finally consummate their flirtation! Clearly Willow no longer really cares about her marriage, and Drew is willing to toss his congressional aspirations out the window. 

Also, Didn't Willow and Michael have sex only a short while ago? Is this going to lead to a "Who's the Daddy" plot?  What a tangled web....

Yep Yep! I freaking knew when shit started blowing up and Micheal slept with Sasha and Willow both in a short time frame that Willow would fuck Nasty Uncle Drewfus shortly after screwing her husband . I bet Sasha and Willow both get pregnant. 

I'm BEGGING the writers PLEASE have Hypocritical Not Saint Willow confess to Nina that she slept with Drew! Let's get this drama rolling! Let's get Carly Joss Jason Christina Tracy Ned all learning about the gross bed hopping 

7 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

So Michael now knows that Drew and Willow kissed. Surprisingly, no one has posted anything about Cody's rant online, so this scandal is "contained". What makes the most sense for Drew and Willow to do? Why, now is the perfect time to finally consummate their flirtation! Clearly Willow no longer really cares about her marriage, and Drew is willing to toss his congressional aspirations out the window. 

Also, Didn't Willow and Michael have sex only a short while ago? Is this going to lead to a "Who's the Daddy" plot?  What a tangled web....

LOL did you see her lying ass in the preview? All teary eyed " this can't happen again" miss me with your bullshit Willow 

[JMO]

33 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

It's actually frightening that we might have two pregnancies at the same time and one of them might end up being a WTD.

Do we know for sure that Cody and Sasha haven't slept together?  We could have a WTD double whammy.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, JMO said:

Do we know for sure that Cody and Sasha haven't slept together? 

Yes. Either Sasha or Cody said something along the lines of "at least we didn't" sleep together before we found out we were related.

[sashabear21]

Yeah Sasha and Cody addressed all the near misses and interruptions they had as a good thing once they found out they were related. Although I could still care less. 

Edited November 5 by sashabear21

[statsgirl]

I really enjoyed Sasha truth-telling Willow that it's her fault that she's in this situation. So of course she goes straight to Drew.. Good thing the episode ended with Sasha's abduction because otherwise there was no reason to tune in tomorrow..

"Domesticity is not my strong suit." No Holly, responsibility is not your strong suit. Domestic talents can be hired.

He may forgive her but after this latest "reveal", there is no way that Robert should  take Holly back. Poor Robert, he deserves better than Holly or Diane.

Molly: "Kristina's in the chapel. She asked me if you needed anything and I told her that you didn't. I didn't tell her that what you needed most was to have her here."  What. A. Bitch. Her sister just died, her mother is mourning but she still needs to play the superior card.

Both Drew and Jason were all too happy to let Carly take care of Scout and Danny.  Poor kids.

On 11/2/2024 at 6:31 PM, Winston Wolfe said:

I've always been kind of "meh" on Kelly Monaco, but her treatment on GH makes me hope she goes on to better things. For some reason, I see her as a great romantic lead for Hallmark or Great American Family movies.

It's a good thought but unfortunately Hallmark has a large roster of women in her age group making one or two movies a year. They really need to increase the twenty-something group. As for GAF, I find their movies too hard to swallow.

[Sake614]

This episode was another really good one vis a vis the Sam story. The rest? Well let’s just say not only did I see Drillow sex coming (pun intended), I laughed like a hyena when she walked upstairs to ‘comfort’ him. I was really hoping someone would walk in on them, preferably with a phone set to video. And she can miss me with the whole ‘this can never happen again’ BS. It would never have happened the first time if you’d just stayed away from him!

I'm no Holly fan but anything that keeps Diane away from Robert is okay in my book. But Sidwell finding out about Sasha when Robert just found out like yesterday, is a bit out there. 

[Auntie Velvet]

8 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think he just gave the most diplomatic answer he could give.

Maybe? But he did go on and on about how cultured her character was, the piano playing, etc.

Meanwhile, I know we joke about the Q mansion being the dumping ground for unwanted kids. But it really would be ideal, at least in the short-term following Sam's death, for the three kids and their three dads to stay there. Drew's already there, Jason obviously has a right to be there, and Dante's mother is the current mother hen of the house.

 

 

Edited November 5 by Auntie Velvet

[mostlylurking]

It was so disappointing seeing Molly and Kristina STILL sniping at each other while Alexis just slumped despondently in her chair. Get it together you two!

Sasha’s truth telling was a long time coming. Sasha wouldn’t have anything to keep secret if Willow hadn’t kissed Drew. Also, are we supposed to be surprised at any of this?  Willow is a serial cheater and so is Michael for that matter.

[statsgirl]

3 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

How the heck does Sidwell know Sasha is Holly's daughter when no one else in the world did?

Pillow talk with Holly?

LOL at Scout wondering who is going to make her sandwiches and take her to school now. That says it all about Drew's hands'on [not] parenting.

When Scout drew a picture of Sam taking her, Danny and Rocco to the park, I wondered 'What do two teenage boys do at the park with their mother?' Maybe it was Scout's fantasy and the start of art therapy around her mother's death.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL that Sam's engagement ring was in a Ziploc bag.

That is how the hospital returned my mother's wedding ring to me.

It seems icky but safer than in an envelope that could fall open.

[YaddaYadda]

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Both Drew and Jason were all too happy to let Carly take care of Scout and Danny.  Poor kids.

I'll give Jason a pass. He's been going around town telling people Sam died, although none of the Qs seem to even know what happened. Drew was bemoaning how he has no idea how to raise his daughter then banged his nephew's wife.

There is so going to be a nanny cam in that room.

23 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

I'm no Holly fan but anything that keeps Diane away from Robert is okay in my book. But Sidwell finding out about Sasha when Robert just found out like yesterday, is a bit out there. 

the only thing that can explain it is if there's a leak at the WSB.

[dubbel zout]

17 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL that Sam's engagement ring was in a Ziploc bag.

That is how the hospital returned my mother's wedding ring to me.

I've always gotten stuff in a specimen bag, not a sandwich baggie.

[FilmTVGeek80]

Ugh.....My one bright side from today's episode is that after crying during several of the last ones, I didn't cry once today (other than my soul crying a little in frustration). The closest I came to crying was with Felicia and Alexis, especially knowing about KW's loss in real life. But, the scene was too brief - though still good. I was also almost moved during Kristina's chapel tirade, but just like with Alexis' yelling at God scene last week, I was too caught up in thinking about the actor acting. 

The last few episodes have been depressing, but they were filled with characters I care about not really doing anything stupid. Now, we're back to the regularly scheduled theater of the moronic with so many characters competing to see who can be the biggest idiot. 

I know a lot of people here hated Robert and Diane, but I hope her breaking up with him doesn't lead to a Robert/Holly reconciliation. I hate the thought of him forgiving her that fast after what she did. And if, after she gets his newfound daughter kidnapped, Robert looks the other way, I won't be able to help thinking less of him.

I know Kristina was being an idiot drama queen by whining about Sam's autopsy, but Molly handled it really well at first. Then she had to go in ruin because she could not help throwing a barb at her. Later, she complains about Kristina having the audacity to get comfort from her brother. Shut up, Molly. 

Speaking of Michael, was he seriously checking his phone while his sister was weeping in his arms? It's nice to know he can multitask, but that seemed weird.

Also weird was Jason being Diane's sounding board as she droned on about her drama with Robert. I know she acknowledged at the outset that it was a comparatively insignificant problem, but I don't buy Jason sitting there listening to her talk about that, even if he did need a distraction.

Nina, Nina, Nina, does she ever learn? When Ava has to be the voice of reason, you have to know you're doing something galactically stupid. Isn't this the third time she's kept a secret from Willow? She forgave her once, but Nina didn't learn her lesson and kept secret her turning Drew in. That secret blew up in her face with both Sonny and Willow. And both, I think, expressed that they were more hurt by the cover-up than the initial lie. Now, she's got another secret and doesn't want to 'fess up yet again. Once again, she's using the excuse that she and Willow are getting close, and she doesn't want to ruin it. She just watched this secret blow up in Willow's face, but for some reason, she thinks she's going to have a different outcome. Stop being an idiot!

I have so much more to say about this Drew/Willow grossness, but this post is already long enough.

[dkb]

Didn't watch the Sasha reveal, has Holly mentioned Ethan at all? What's the timeline here, is Ethan older than Sasha?

Did Holly raise her son and abandon her daughter? I don't remember the Ethan is Luke's reveal that much. Was she an involved mom with him? Does Ethan know he has a half sister?

Willow and Drew is gross even though I love anything that gives the Corthinos clan a taste of their own medicine.

The scene of Sasha getting nabbed had a nice zip too it and was a great stinger for next episode.

[YaddaYadda]

12 minutes ago, dkb said:

Didn't watch the Sasha reveal, has Holly mentioned Ethan at all? What's the timeline here, is Ethan older than Sasha?

Ethan was mentioned. Holly apparently dropped Sasha during one of their cons because Ethan was in trouble and Sasha's reply was that Ethan is always in trouble.

[Daisy]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Another LOL was Sasha taking elaborately decorated cookies off a baking sheet instead of a cooling rack.

 

cookie baker here. sometimes you want the cookie to cool on the sheet complete vs. on the rack and it's easier to do it on the sheet because the mess is contained. 

So Willow and Drew finally experienced the la petite mort? About damn time. but everyone already got all pissy with the kissy so what's the point?

[FilmTVGeek80]

I can barely begin to describe how much I loathe this Drew/Willow/Nina/Michael/Sasha storyline. I've long hated triangle storylines. I first discovered that when watching Dawson's Creek and quitting that show because I hated the Dawson/Joey/Pacey storyline. I especially hate triangles (quadrangles) between family members or friends. So, I was always destined to hate this storyline. It sucks for me on so many levels because I'm in the minority of liking Willow and Drew individually and loving the beginning of the Nina/Drew hook-up storyline. They were on their way to being my favorite pairing in some time. I also like the Sasha/Willow friendship. Now, it's all being ruined for what...some gross storyline that I don't even think is being enjoyed by people who thought they wanted this. I miss a lot of old-school storytelling, but this type of storyline is not one of them. The current writers can't handle it in even a so bad, it's entertaining way.

For months, people kept talking about how Willow was thirsting for Drew, but I never saw it. When Patrick Mulcahey took over, the show's decision to explore that idea was one of the only new things I wasn't looking forward to. I have no idea how he would have handled it, but it has to be better than what's happening now. This storyline is doing absolutely no one any favors.

Sasha - She had some really good points with Willow today, but it was really hard to take her seriously knowing what happened with Michael. She can complain about the Quartermaines being a nest of vipers and tell Willow to take some responsibility for her actions and tell the truth, but she should take her own advice. She seems to have no desire to tell her "best friend" she slept with her husband.

Michael - After hearing about one kiss, he decides to cheat on his wife. Even though it happened with her best friend, he decides to keep that a secret and immediately has sex with his wife upon coming home. 

Nina - Like I said in my previous post, despite the fact that it started with hate sex, I loved the beginning of Drew and Nina. But, it's gone off the rails in so many ways - including Nina deciding to continue to have sex with Drew to distract him from his attraction to her married daughter. That's a level of dysfunction the Royal family would even find a little much. She can claim that she was doing it for Willow's sake, but it's clear it was just as much about her attraction to Drew as anything. She's compounding all this by idiotically refusing to confess about the affair with Drew, which is going to make everything worse.

Drew and Willow - Seriously?! I think I'm almost as mad at the predictability as how gross this is. People predicted grief sex, but I never imagined it would happen on the same freaking night as Sam's death. And, despite the two kisses, the sex came out of absolute nowhere. She spent most of the episode with Sasha. One scene with Drew, and suddenly, they're having sex. Willow's spent weeks now trying to avoid Drew because of her attraction to him. She seemed genuinely distraught when Michael found out and grateful when he forgave her. Yet, as soon as Michael's back is turned (after he finds out someone he was close to died), she has sex with Drew. I know a lot of people like to put all the blame on Drew, but for once, he wasn't chasing after Willow. She came to see him. All he did was say he was sad, touch her hair, and she pounced. Forget being married; if that's all it takes, she has no business being in any kind of relationship. And, I know Scout was asleep, but given her grief, she could have woken up at any time. Really great idea to add to her trauma by having sex next door where she could walk in at any moment. He kept talking about how he didn't know how to be a single father. Having sex with your nephew's wife isn't a good way to begin. Unless his solution was to find a replacement mother - STAT.

I think the only winners here are those who hate the Willow/Michael pairing. I don't see anyway they survive this after everything comes out.

[ljr]

where’s Leo? 
 

Is sidewal going to play poker with Sasha? Is he taking her to Africa?

 

[FilmTVGeek80]

8 hours ago, ciarra said:

Not that I want her around, but where is Olivia?  Her son's significant other has died, and she's not at the Q house or the hospital.

Not to mention that she is the mother of Sam's other half-brother. At this point, I don't know if the show even remembers that. I can't remember the last time they acknowledged that connection. I don't know if the show will bother to have Leo find out on-screen.

6 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

When Scout was asking who would take her to school, I halfway expected Drew to ask her where she went to school. 
 

 

That is something he would definitely know. After he got out of jail, there was a mini-drama where Drew wanted Scout to go to some sort of elite school, but Scout didn't want to switch schools.

6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Same! And he had no idea who would make her sandwiches? Uh, you could do it, Drew. Slapping something between two slices of bread is something even you could manage.

Despite how grossed out I was by the Drew/Wilow sex today, I'm going to defend yesterday, Drew. I actually liked that he didn't lie to her when she asked that question. He told her there were things that needed to be figured out. Even if Drew were to drop out of the race, he'd probably never be a stay-at-home dad. They'd mostly likely live at the Quartermaine's, where Sasha or some other cook would make the kids' lunches.

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 

I loved the Nina/Ava apology and gossip sesh.

 

Despite their history, I've always liked the Nina/Ava friendship. The actresses have wonderful chemistry together. After the new/old writers took over, I thought their friendship was slapped back together much too fast, but I like that in their last few scenes, they've acknowledged that their friendship was damaged (and Ava's taken responsibility) and are trying to re-establish trust.

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Both Drew and Jason were all too happy to let Carly take care of Scout and Danny.  Poor kids.

To defend both of them, Jason has been delivering death announcements to some of Sam's loved ones. Drew didn't let Carly take care of Scout. He was with her after she came to the house until she fell asleep ( and then he went off and banged his nephew's wife.)

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Willow is a serial cheater and so is Michael for that matter.

This might be a nitpick, but I don't think Willow qualifies as a serial cheater (well, until today.) Serial, to me, indicates something that's happened repeatedly. Other than Michael, her only other relationship was with Chase. She cheated on him when they basically had a marriage of convenience. That's only once, so it's not a serial pattern.

[Daisy]

11 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

She cheated on him when they basically had a marriage of convenience. That's only once, so it's not a serial pattern.

but honestly, it wasn't a marriage of convivence to Chase (Like I get what you mean) but I know a lot of people on reddit and other platforms are like "well Chase bullied Willow into Marriage/Willow didn't love Chase so it didn't matter" but i am like... Chase did lol and I'd think he'd say it was cheating (if he was allowed to by the writers)

[FilmTVGeek80]

8 minutes ago, Daisy said:

but honestly, it wasn't a marriage of convivence to Chase (Like I get what you mean) but I know a lot of people on reddit and other platforms are like "well Chase bullied Willow into Marriage/Willow didn't love Chase so it didn't matter" but i am like... Chase did lol and I'd think he'd say it was cheating (if he was allowed to by the writers)

Yes, I realize Chase thought it was a real marriage, but Willow didn't. She never intended to be with him for the rest of her life. I know that a lot of people hold that whole thing against Willow & Michael, but I agree with the Reddit users who thought it didn't matter and never thought it was some horrible sin. Chase had every right to feel hurt, but I just never cared. What's happening now is much worse because it is a real marriage - on both sides - and she is betraying someone she says she truly loves. And Chase did get to be angry. He forgave them pretty quickly because he was mature about the situation, but their relationship has never gotten back to what it was before. But, my main point was, even counting the infidelity in her marriage to Chase, to me, that doesn't fit the definition of her being a serial cheater because it's not happened more than that one time (until today.)

[pinkandsparkly13]

What's the point of having to say "The Brown Dog bar" when referring to what happened with Cody and Drew? Everyone has specified that when talking about it. Can't they just say "the bar?" Or just say they got in a fight? 

When did they change it so that Willow confided in Sasha about Drew? I thought Sasha just saw them and told Cody. I don't recall her talking to Willow about it. Was it the second kiss? I thought Willow only told Nina about all that. 

[ciarra]

I thought Ned should be there for Alexis.  Other than them (cough, cough) sleeping together, and him cheating on Olivia, he makes a good, supportive friend.  Better than her self-absorbed, shrieking daughters.

[tessaray]

24 minutes ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

When did they change it so that Willow confided in Sasha about Drew? I thought Sasha just saw them and told Cody. I don't recall her talking to Willow about it. Was it the second kiss? I thought Willow only told Nina about all that. 

Sasha did finally talk (awkwardly) to Willow after agonizing about it and discussing it with Cody. Willow blamed it on getting caught up in the fireworks and assured her that it wasn't a big deal. What I'm not recalling is how Cody knew about Drew and Nina.