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2 hours ago, jsbt said:

Oh: And I do think they are potentially going there with Cody and Tracy, finally; another thing I suspect Mulcahey was setting up in spring-summer. But while I was all for it then I don't trust this team to do it right at all.

I hope not. While it isn't quite "Harold and Maude" levels of weird, it would hurt both of their characters. One of Tracy's biggest strengths is her steadfast friendships with select individuals. Cody's, too. 

My fear is they've set up this paternity reveal to show that Sasha isn't Robert's but instead Luke's daughter so Tracy can be ashamed of treating Sasha like crap. 

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So nice to see the Anna I have long known and loved back on screen, and the nod to her relationship with Robert.  Now just keep her away from Jason.

Wonder if we'll actually get some joint musical performances between Gio and Trina.  It's too bad the show forgot they had another musician in the cast until the day he was leaving.  

Lots of concern about Lucas operating on Sam, and none about Isaiah not having privileges at a hospital where he does not work, in a country in which he has not been living.  Details, shmetails.  

Are they setting up a Heather who-done-it?

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8 minutes ago, tessaray said:

My fear is they've set up this paternity reveal to show that Sasha isn't Robert's but instead Luke's daughter so Tracy can be ashamed of treating Sasha like crap. 

I’m almost sorry to try and make sense of this show but the test would only reveal that Robert is not her father. Someone would have to scrounge Luke’s DNA or have Lucky, Nik or lying in bed Lulu to see if they’re siblings, no?

I liked the Holly/Sonny scenes because they both looked like they were enjoying themselves. Too bad MB couldn’t be bothered to shave.

Also enjoyed both days of Anna/Holly and seeing Robert - “you’re going to forgive her, aren’t you?” Blue eyes twinkle. 💕 

This Sam donor plot is taking forever and is so ridiculous. Not sure what KM’s motives were in telling us ahead of time she was a goner (we haven’t heard anything recently about her “telling all”), but that and waking up a woman who’s 1 step from death’s door, killed the whole emotion for me.

To top it off, as @statsgirl mentioned, the stupidity of having her brother operate on Sam is also completely absurd. And NuLucas doesn’t even look the part of a surgeon and it bugs me to no end.

 

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24 minutes ago, Desperado said:

I’m almost sorry to try and make sense of this show but the test would only reveal that Robert is not her father. Someone would have to scrounge Luke’s DNA or have Lucky, Nik or lying in bed Lulu to see if they’re siblings, no?

I'm pretty sure the WSB already has Luke's dna on file. But yeah, the other way that could happen is if Holly was confronted with the results and then belatedly realized the other potential candidate. They've ruined the Luke/Holly relationship anyway with Ethan so why not Sasha too? 🤷‍♀️

The main reason I'm still considering Luke is that I've enjoyed Robert's reaction to Sasha potentially being his daughter and that's usually a blinking red sign not to get too invested. 🙂

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23 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Not sure what KM’s motives were in telling us ahead of time she was a goner

It wasn’t necessarily KeMo. It was reported in the soap press, which means someone leaked it. since there was no outrage from the show (that we’ve heard), my guess is it was someone with clout, like Frank or Nathan Varni.

I just think it’s so disrespectful that everyone else is getting a proper send off and a 21 year vet is just being thrown under the bus. Or in this case, a scalpel. We still don’t know if she dies on the table, immediately after the surgery or at home, although the timing seems to suggest one of the first two options. As for KeMo spilling all the tea, I imagine that won’t happen unless she has the receipts to back it up. ‘They fired me because they don’t like me’ or ‘because I yelled at them for firing Billy Miller’ isn’t going to cut it. There must be some serious bad blood there but I’m not sure we’ll ever know what really happened.

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46 minutes ago, Desperado said:

To top it off, as @statsgirl mentioned, the stupidity of having her brother operate on Sam is also completely absurd. And NuLucas doesn’t even look the part of a surgeon and it bugs me to no end.

Surgeons have a look?

There’s a lot of unrealistic stuff on this show that bothers me, but Lucas operating on Sam doesn’t. I’m not expecting documentary levels of realism. Honestly, I’m surprised they even addressed the issue since they’ve had medical professionals treat/operate on relatives without acting like it was unusual. I was glad they addressed it and offered up a plausible enough (even if not real world accurate) explanation by having Lucas say Sam could sign a waiver acknowledging the conflict, but this was what she wanted. Same with the Cody DNA test Sasha faked. I expected the show to have forgotten about it, but they addressed it with a plausible explanation for why Sasha could still be Robert’s daughter. 

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 hour ago, tessaray said:

My fear is they've set up this paternity reveal to show that Sasha isn't Robert's

I’m hoping this is the case. And please! Robert KNOWING Sasha is his daughter because of her eyes? He’s seen her before I’m sure, right?

I was SO hoping Diane would have walked in on Robert and Anna clasping hands.

Less said about Portia and Curtis blaming Ric for the judge vacating Heather’s sentence said, the better.

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JMO

JMO

3 minutes ago, Desperado said:

I’m not seeing oozing self-confidence to possible arrogance of a surgeon, more pediatrician really.

I'm a pediatrician, and I kind of agree.   And considering how many kids the Quartermaines have on site, and since they killed off psycho Ryan, they could use one.  

12 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I’m hoping this is the case. And please! Robert KNOWING Sasha is his daughter because of her eyes? He’s seen her before I’m sure, right?

I was SO hoping Diane would have walked in on Robert and Anna clasping hands.

I flashed on Harry Potter when Robert made that comment about Sasha's eyes.  I don't know, though---would he have interacted enough with her before to notice?

Diane walking in on the moment between Robert and Anna would have been gold.  

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perkie1968

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1 hour ago, tessaray said:

but instead Luke's daughter so Tracy can be ashamed of treating Sasha like crap. 

That's what I said before the Robert reveal because Tracy was being so hard on Sasha about asking MIchael for money.  But do we know Luke's whereabouts storyline wise around that time?  

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about Isaiah not having privileges at a hospital where he does not work, in a country in which he has not been living.  Details, shmetails. 

Grey's Anatomy does it all the time.  Random poeple showing up and suddently they know all about that kind of surgery and jumping in.  At least Isaiah is a transplant surgeon unlike Lucas who isn't.  

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

That's what I said before the Robert reveal because Tracy was being so hard on Sasha about asking MIchael for money.  But do we know Luke's whereabouts storyline wise around that time?  

It will still be a retcon because as I and @jsbt have stated, Holly was ONSCREEN in front burner storyline at the time she would have supposedly been pregnant and given birth.

53 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Has he though?  Until she started dating Cody, they didn't run in the same circles and Robert has spent a lot of time in offscreen land that I don't think they  knew eeach other existed until she showed up in his office.  

I figured he would have seen her even offscreen, after Brando’s murder, online and in magazines when she was the face of Deception.

But bottom line, this whole plot and “story line” is beyond STOOPID.

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4 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

So how is it that when nuLucas expresses empathy regarding the loss of the baby and says he went through "something similar", it seemed like brand new information to Molly's partner? It's recently been pointed out that they've been together for 10 years, so they were definitely a couple during the baby switch storyline.

Probably because TJ was too self-involved at the time to get more than the basic info?

Who thinks that whatever Curtis has in mind to get Heather out of PC is going to be completely legal and ethical? Anyone? 

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tessaray

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1 hour ago, perkie1968 said:

That's what I said before the Robert reveal because Tracy was being so hard on Sasha about asking MIchael for money.  But do we know Luke's whereabouts storyline wise around that time?  

Tbh, trying to figure out who was where, who was presumed dead and who was on-screen gives me a massive headache. It was over 30 years ago and while I may not like it, I'll reluctantly roll with it. (Unless it's a massive retcon like Luke cheating on Laura. Still ticked off about that.)

The retcons that annoy me more are things we just saw in the last couple of years. This show likes to gaslight us. 

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jsbt

jsbt

3 hours ago, tessaray said:

I hope not. While it isn't quite "Harold and Maude" levels of weird, it would hurt both of their characters. One of Tracy's biggest strengths is her steadfast friendships with select individuals. Cody's, too. 

I think audiences just are out of practice with May-December romances on soaps. When they're done well they work again and again. But that's me.

It would be hilarious if Holly's con is revealed simply because apparently no one left on the show remembers 1992. One day Mac or Felicia goes 'hey, wait a second...'

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GHScorpiosRule

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3 minutes ago, tessaray said:

It was over 30 years ago and while I may not like it, I'll reluctantly roll with it. (Unless it's a massive retcon like Luke cheating on Laura. Still ticked off about that.)

It is a massive retcon. For Sasha to be Robert’s kid, he would have had to have cheated on Anna, who he was married to when they both “blew up” and “died” courtesy of Faison.

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23 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

 I'm starting to think that the writers just want to see the actress in her underwear because those sex scenes serve zero purpose and the couple is as bland as recycled printing paper.

Your heart wasn't thrilled when Dex wanted to kill Heather for Joss? On this show, that's Twu Luv.

22 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Uncut, unpolished diamonds.

The size of a child's fist. Sure, show, sure.

20 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Surgeons have a look?

Surgeons are the alphas egos of the medical world. Lucas' aw shucks diffidence feels off.

However, I can see Isaiah getting privileges at GH in the two days we're waiting for the transplant.

18 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I know I'm bored when I spend too much time thinking of the likelihood of two college-age girls having a meat mallet in their kitchen.

A bright, shiny, never-used meat mallet. Maybe the kitchen came furnished.

I know that they don't know what to do with Gio, but suggesting Trina put her feelings into music? Really, writers?

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tessaray

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7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It is a massive retcon. For Sasha to be Robert’s kid, he would have had to have cheated on Anna, who he was married to when they both “blew up” and “died” courtesy of Faison.

I wasn't watching regularly back then so I trust your memory. But once they screwed up Luke and Laura's backstory, we shouldn't be surprised they would do it again with Robert and Anna. 

The only true thing about any of this is that both Luke and Robert were in love with Holly at some point. I suppose for these writers that's enough. 😒

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5 hours ago, JMO said:

Are they setting up a Heather who-done-it?

That would perhaps explain the upcoming Steven Lars visit. 

I'm not sure how I feel about the possibility.  I wouldn't miss Ally Mills but I would feel a pang for Heather and the link to the past. I still remember Diana and Peter, Heather and Alice, the LSD and all that stuff. Sigh. 

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sashabear21

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Jeez Portia, have you ever considered that one of the possible reasons your daughter likes to hang out with Ava is because she doesn't treat her like she's in kindergarten? (unlike me who would be hanging out with Ava for skincare tips and to see if she's generous with gifting her handbags when she's done with them).  It's really gross how Portia infantilizes her, even Curtis recognizes that she's an adult and he's been her dad for like five minutes.  Portia acts like she's still fixing her a lunchbox every day with a juice box and a sandwich cut into a star shape. 

Between Dex and Holly's wooden acting today, Sonny won't need to drive out to the Pine Barrens next time he has to drop a body, there's currently enough wood in Port Charles to cover it up.  

Wouldn't two doctors working on a transplant surgery maybe meet and confer on the surgery sometime other than meeting randomly in the break room the night before the surgery?? I mean even at GH that seems like terrible protocol (although if it gives us a scene like the hilarious one that happened on OLTL eons ago where the surgeon broke down after surgery went wrong because "a brain is not a foot", I'll just thank the soap gods for the cheap lolz).  

 

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13 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Heather murdered a cop, a cop killer would not just walk. 

Heather murdered a cop, a cop killer would not just walk. 

Heather murdered a cop, a cop killer would not just walk. 

honestly i'm surprised Heather's alive because she murdered a cop. 

and i am again just saying everyone is like OMG HEATHER IS OUT OF JAIL SHE'S A MURDERER... and then they kiss Sonny and Jason's behinds and ignore that they are too

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jsbt

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2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It is a massive retcon. For Sasha to be Robert’s kid, he would have had to have cheated on Anna, who he was married to when they both “blew up” and “died” courtesy of Faison.

It's less about that for me, as a ONS with Robert while gross and character-assassinating could've happened. It's that Holly (like Dominique re: Cody) was onscreen during the entire timeframe, was heavy in frontburner action-packed story and romance for the better part of two years after Robert exited and during that time she was never, ever pregnant.

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Bringonthedrama

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4 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I’m hoping this is the case. And please! Robert KNOWING Sasha is his daughter because of her eyes? He’s seen her before I’m sure, right?

 

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I figured he would have seen her even offscreen, after Brando’s murder, online and in magazines when she was the face of Deception.

Yes, when she entered his office he greeted her as "Ms. Corbin" - she was Brando's wife when Heather murdered him. I can't recall if Robert/his office tried to build a case against Cyrus when the drugs he gave Sasha caused the heart attack that almost killed her. 

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13 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The blithe way the show is treating Lucas operating on Sam is ridiculous. It's not an emergency situation, which at least would give him more of a reason to get involved.

But a few days ago, it WAS an emergency situation.  Lulu was going downhill fast and now the doctors involved sit around talking about their personal problems instead of operating.

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I actually thought it was nice that Gio slept on Trina's couch.  Honestly, why are Dex and Joss leaving Trina alone?  They can't have sex in Joss' apartment?  This seemed like very unlikely behavior from Joss, who does love Trina.  I didn't buy it.  I know they did it because they wanted a Jex sex scene, and they probably don't have the set for a Joss (or Trina) bedroom at their apartment.  But that just means they sacrifice characterization for a 2 minute agenda.  Joss wouldn't do that.  And so it rang so false to me.  

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14 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

 

Excellent scenes between Rick and Kristen.  They play very well off each other as father/daughter and give off the vibe that they've been working together for years (like Kirsten and Kristina yesterday when Maxie pulled Felicia in for a hug) 

Seconded! It's shocking how good Ric/RH's return has been when you look at... Well ... Everything else on this show. 

And Ric's whole, I want to prove this was an accident so you can heal/move on was a surprisingly subtle nod to Ric's history. 

Ric/Liz lost a kid, Ric blamed Sonny (although Faith was to blame) and that was why the whole Carly/ Panic Room story happened. 

It was just great stuff from both Ric and Molly. 

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If this were a really good show on premium cable, created and overseen by David Simon or someone of his caliber, and it was rigorous in its commitment to a lifelike quality on medical matters, I might join in saying I don't look at or hear the new Lucas actor and think "surgeon." But this is GH, which just in the last ten years has given us brain worms, childbirth through jeans, disfiguring facial burns that disappear with two applications of The Treatment™, and the ability to extract memories and store them on a flash drive for easy re-uploading. On that background, he'll do. I like this actor so far.

Even on better-written soaps, doctors tend to fill the roles that will get the contract players the most scenes. There's stupidity I'll complain about and then there's stupidity that's such a genre convention that I don't even realize I'm auto-hand-waving it anymore.

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12 hours ago, JMO said:

I would have been happy with Tracy having a May-December romance with Finn.  But with Cody, it would be more like a "two years ago January-December" romance, and it just wouldn't feel right to me.

I'm 16 years older than my husband of 20 years, so I'm all in on May-December romances, but the idea of Tracy and Cody is just creepy to me. She could be his grammy. Just  no

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30 Helens

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1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

I might join in saying I don't look at or hear the new Lucas actor and think "surgeon." But this is GH,

Which also pushed Jordan as Police Commissioner on us. And plenty of insta-docs and other professionals who completed basically a 2-week correspondence course. Speaking of which, I wonder what career-she’s-totally-unqualified-for Lulu will try next. After she goes through the requisite 6 days of recovery/rehab, of course.

1 hour ago, luna1122again said:

but the idea of Tracy and Cody is just creepy to me. She could be his grammy. Just  no

Great-Grammy, maybe. I am older than my husband, but even I have to refrain from thinking where we were in our lives at various years because when I was a (young) adult, he was still a child. And for much of Tracy’s adult life, Cody wasn’t even an embryo yet. They have a good friendship, can’t we just keep it that way?

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13 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Your heart wasn't thrilled when Dex wanted to kill Heather for Joss? On this show, that's Twu Luv.

My first thought was that Joss is a hypocrite.

My second thought was that we moved on from Sonny talk as foreplay to Heather talk as foreplay.

My third thought was that Dex's value on the show is getting it on with Joss.

My last thought was questioning my life choices when it comes to this show.

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Daisy

Daisy

1 hour ago, CeChase said:

  I was actually sad when they killed him off, though I know that's an unpopular opinion.  

no most people were not happy about it. 
the only reason why i wanted him to die is beause they gave him that disease. if he had like another disease that wasn't fatal i would have been a-okay with him being around. 

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dubbel zout

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16 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Tracy was being so hard on Sasha about asking MIchael for money

But that was inappropriate. Tracy didn't have to be so snobby about Sasha's "place," but she absolutely right that you don't ask your employer for a large amount of money, especially for someone else.

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I know I'm bored when I spend too much time thinking of the likelihood of two college-age girls having a meat mallet in their kitchen.

LOL. I figured it came with the apartment. I don't think Joss or Trina cooks at all.

12 hours ago, jsbt said:
13 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

although if it gives us a scene like the hilarious one that happened on OLTL eons ago where the surgeon broke down after surgery went wrong because "a brain is not a foot"

Thank you for making me look up that scene again.

A OLTL camp classic, for sure. The running flailing down the hall throwing chairs out of the way is etched in my mind forever. Oh, Greg.

 

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Asp Burger

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1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

Which also pushed Jordan as Police Commissioner on us. And plenty of insta-docs and other professionals who completed basically a 2-week correspondence course. Speaking of which, I wonder what career-she’s-totally-unqualified-for Lulu will try next. After she goes through the requisite 6 days of recovery/rehab, of course.

Now that Alexis is out of the journalism sphere, Lulu will probably resume her brilliant career as Girl Reporter. Even if she's not up to pounding the pavement yet, she can write powerful thought pieces on the racial angle of Heather Webber's reprieve.

I haven't loved any of the three Jordans overall, but the middle one (Briana Nicole Henry) was the only one I slightly bought as a law-enforcement professional. She had a little more toughness and savvy to her. The first (Vinessa Antoine) was the most charismatic and likable.

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tessaray

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

But that was inappropriate. Tracy didn't have to be so snobby about Sasha's "place," but she absolutely right that you don't ask your employer for a large amount of money, especially for someone else.

OTOH, Michael isn't her employer just because he's a Q.  I doubt he signs her paycheck. She doesn't have to curtsy to every member of the family and the mansion isn't Buckingham Palace. That whole scene with Tracy bugged me, obviously. 🙂

Michael, Willow, Chase and Sasha are friends. Or were, for years. Was it awkward? Yes, especially since Cody only had just come up with the idea and didn't have a business plan or anything concrete. Michael handled it well* and didn't seem to be offended, though I suppose he's had years of practice. I do sympathize with people who get hit up by everyone if they're wealthy or connected in a popular  industry. 

* I'm just shocked to have anything nice to say about Michael.

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dubbel zout

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22 minutes ago, tessaray said:

OTOH, Michael isn't her employer just because he's a Q.  I doubt he signs her paycheck.

No, Michael doesn't literally sign her checks, but Sasha works for his family and Michael's own family is at the house a lot and eats her food. If he didn't have as much interaction with Sasha as an employee, then at least she'd be approaching him more as a friend, not as a friend and employee. 

The whole thing was dumb, since Michael (correctly) turned her down. If Cody wants a giant loan, Cody should be the one to ask for it. It's okay for Sasha to grease the wheel a bit, but he has be the one to do the hard part.

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