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Culture Check: How can we discuss a character's or actor's appearance without objectifying them? How can we express likes or dislikes and still respect an individual's humanity or be mindful that a character represents a person someone else might relate to or identify with?

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Ugh, Felicia is now a Carly supporter. And the hitman is dispensing heartfelt wisdoms. And Kirstina is... well, Kristina. But Anna still wins for most annoying on the day: "Oh hi Jason, I just came all the way over here to ask you if we are ever going to talk about that kiss I keep obsessing about, cuz just so you know, I don't want to talk about it, and it will never ever ever happen again! But I'll see you around, right?!" 

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I'm going to defend Joss. I was quite irritated her for jumping all over Lucky because READ THE ROOM, JOSS! I mean, obviously something was going on there especially since she knew the reason he was back (for Lulu).

The thing is, she said exactly that in her scene with Dex later. She realized as she was cleaning up that he must have learned he wasn't a match, and was devastated. And Bobbie's was the only place in PC he could go and just lose it without fear of arrest. And she felt awful because instead of being there for him, she was judgemental.

Moving on, I wasn't too fond of the scenes with Jason, cuz wonderful, wise Jason, but I did appreciate the insight into Lucky's mindset overall. And I loved the chapel scene. I was nearly tearing up along with him. When Laura walked in.... ah, my heart!!!! I can't wait until tomorrow! I'm so glad that wasn't Friday's episode.

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Bringonthedrama

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51 minutes ago, driver18 said:

I'm going to defend Joss. I was quite irritated her for jumping all over Lucky because READ THE ROOM, JOSS! I mean, obviously something was going on there especially since she knew the reason he was back (for Lulu).

The thing is, she said exactly that in her scene with Dex later. She realized as she was cleaning up that he must have learned he wasn't a match, and was devastated. And Bobbie's was the only place in PC he could go and just lose it without fear of arrest. And she felt awful because instead of being there for him, she was judgemental.

Moving on, I wasn't too fond of the scenes with Jason, cuz wonderful, wise Jason, but I did appreciate the insight into Lucky's mindset overall. 

I was irritated because Joss came at him with a bitchy "I don't recognize you" when he appeared unwell and had made a huge mess that looked like a robbery to her. She's talking like they know each other. They never had a relationship. All she knows is who his parents are and who his sister is, that he used to be married to Elizabeth and he's Aiden father. She knows nothing of his history with Bobbie and Ruby. Her mother never had any use for him; in fact  was always obsessed with Jason and would put Lucky down when there was a Lucky v. Jason scene that had to do with Elizabeth. 

The awareness in the scene with Dex was good- but would have been so much better if she acknowledged that she knows so little about Lucky because she and her mom have been focused on immediate family over the years.

Lucky confirmed what I thought this POV would be. I'm wondering if the Show is trying to make Jason some sort of combo of replacement for brother Nikolas and a new-ish friendship for Lucky that is comparable to Luke's old friendship with Sonny. SB and JJ are actually friends in real life and worked together on this Show both in the '90s and when JJ was on the show from Fall 2009 - late 2011.  I guess we're supposed to believe that Lucky has gotten over the Elizabeth-Jason history because a) he knows she slept with Jason and conceived Jake after seeing him (well, GV-Lucky) with Maxie and b) Jason isn't the reason he and Elizabeth broke up the last time?

I don't know yet if JJ and the most current re-cast of Nikolas will have any scenes together, but working with a nuNikolas actor would have to be emotionally difficult given that original Nikolas, TC, is actually deceased now and he and JJ were real life good friends. I want to know if Lucky feels at all comfortable talking to/having a relationship with Nikolas. I assume Lucky will find out from Laura that Nikolas is in prison and had a baby with Spencer's (ex) girlfriend. That may seem to him like a greater family betrayal than when Nikolas had the affair with Elizabeth, because a) Aiden turned out to be Lucky's son, b) Nikolas got Elizabeth involved in yet another mess but this time she could have gone to jail for it, and c) Spencer is presumed dead because of what Nikolas put in motion when he took baby Ace.    

In trying to emphasize the point that Lucky is sooo much like Luke, I'm wondering if Jason is supposed to be Lucky's Sonny friendship/brotherhood, and Isaiah is supposed to be Lucky's Robert friendship.

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I loved Lucky truth-speaking to Joss because it's past time someone said those things to her. There are too few characters speaking truth to the Carlys and now we've lost Felicia too. (If Carly is going to run a con for Sonny, have the guts to stop flirting with other men.)

And then Lucky lost me because he wants to run away again just because he can't be a donor. All those speeches to everyone including Sonny about how wrong he was for staying away and abandoning his family mean nothing now.

Why is Lucky asking Jason to get him a new passport? Shouldn't that come from the federal government? Jason is the person to go to for a fake passport.

This show tries too hard to sanitize people. Sonny is good because he donates money, Jason is a hitman but it's excused because he saves people like Carly and Lucky, Luke was forgiven his misdeeds because he was charming, and now Lucky being unable to be a donor is because he went to places to save people and got parasites instead of it being a consequence of hi alcohol and drug use.

Did Kristina have a lobotomy that I missed? Because she was never this stupid before this set of writers.

We're stuck with Bigot Natalia, aren't we?  sigh

6 hours ago, tessabq said:

I think it was mentioned that being in a coma for years disqualifies Lulu from being on the national transplant registry. Or, I could easily have GH mixed up with another show. LOL

Yes. There aren't enough livers for everyone who needs one (sign up, people!) and being in a coma disqualified Lulu from being on the registry.

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Mirabelle

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I get the primary concern is Lulu's declining health but I hope someone tells Lucky to get treated for his parasites. Just because he's been living with them doesn't mean he should keep living with them. Yeah, Jason chose to but it'll take a lot more than a course of ivermectin or antibiotics to get rid of Carly.

Lucky facing the fact he's a deadbeat isn't going to work for me if Cam and Jake, especially Cam, are not going to get a mention. Lucky left for good when Cam was old enough to feel the loss of a father. Six or seven is old enough to retain memories of a dad. Lucky literally told Cam to his face he'd always be there. If Cam stopped mentioning Lucky, it's not because he doesn't remember, it's because he does and probably figures there was no point in bringing up a man who, by his actions, obviously had no interest in him or his brothers. 

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I don't blame Joss at all, and I don't find a man going lunatic, screaming at people to get out, and then destroying a place of business to be understandable, relatable, or okay.  I thought it was totally gross.  But I don't like men screaming.  It's my biggest turnoff and gives me deep anxiety.  There's no excuse for what he did, but he will be excused.  This is why men are the way they are.  "oh poor thing, he's soooo baby girl!"  Please, gag me. 

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driver18

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10 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I was irritated because Joss came at him with a bitchy "I don't recognize you" when he appeared unwell and had made a huge mess that looked like a robbery to her. She's talking like they know each other. They never had a relationship. All she knows is who his parents are and who his sister is, that he used to be married to Elizabeth and he's Aiden father. She knows nothing of his history with Bobbie and Ruby. Her mother never had any use for him; in fact  was always obsessed with Jason and would put Lucky down when there was a Lucky v. Jason scene that had to do with Elizabeth. 

The awareness in the scene with Dex was good- but would have been so much better if she acknowledged that she knows so little about Lucky because she and her mom have been focused on immediate family over the years.

Lucky confirmed what I thought this POV would be. I'm wondering if the Show is trying to make Jason some sort of combo of replacement for brother Nikolas and a new-ish friendship for Lucky that is comparable to Luke's old friendship with Sonny. SB and JJ are actually friends in real life and worked together on this Show both in the '90s and when JJ was on the show from Fall 2009 - late 2011.  I guess we're supposed to believe that Lucky has gotten over the Elizabeth-Jason history because a) he knows she slept with Jason and conceived Jake after seeing him (well, GV-Lucky) with Maxie and b) Jason isn't the reason he and Elizabeth broke up the last time?

I don't know yet if JJ and the most current re-cast of Nikolas will have any scenes together, but working with a nuNikolas actor would have to be emotionally difficult given that original Nikolas, TC, is actually deceased now and he and JJ were real life good friends. I want to know if Lucky feels at all comfortable talking to/having a relationship with Nikolas. I assume Lucky will find out from Laura that Nikolas is in prison and had a baby with Spencer's (ex) girlfriend. That may seem to him like a greater family betrayal than when Nikolas had the affair with Elizabeth, because a) Aiden turned out to be Lucky's son, b) Nikolas got Elizabeth involved in yet another mess but this time she could have gone to jail for it, and c) Spencer is presumed dead because of what Nikolas put in motion when he took baby Ace.    

In trying to emphasize the point that Lucky is sooo much like Luke, I'm wondering if Jason is supposed to be Lucky's Sonny friendship/brotherhood, and Isaiah is supposed to be Lucky's Robert friendship.

Exactly, re: Joss. She doesn't know Lucky. He's just a guy in some pictures. She has no real emotional attachment to him. So she just has the name and face from pictures, and here he is destroying the diner. WTH? Of course, she was pissed. Of course, that was her first reaction. Especially since this guy didn't match at all with the stories she'd heard. It was only after she had time to think about it that she realized... OHHH! Yeah, I get it.

As for Jason, well, it's been nearly 20 years, and a looooooot has happened since then. I think it makes sense that Lucky is no longer holding a grudge there. I mean, all three of them have been married and been in relationships, multiple even, since then.

Lucky and Nikolas? Eh. I still wish they would find a good, permanent recast for Nik cuz Adam Huss ain't it. I'm sure JJ will make it work, but yeah, I'm not expecting the feels.

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GHScorpiosRule

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1 minute ago, driver18 said:

Lucky and Nikolas? Eh. I still wish they would find a good, permanent recast for Nik cuz Adam Huss ain't it. I'm sure JJ will make it work, but yeah, I'm not expecting the feels.

Quoting this first because I agree with this. I've never been a fan of Huss, and don't think he has the skill to portray Nik as who he is: someone who is sophisticated and able to show he is of royal bearing, if you will. He just always has come off as a thug. But Frank is cheap and couldn't be bothered to find someone to recast. 

That said, JJ is just so amazing. And talented. AND professional. I expect there to be scenes with his brother since this isn't a short visit back to Port Charles for Lucky. Will it be the same? of course not. It couldn't be. But I do believe JJ will work and make me believe, yeah, these two are brothers.

10 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I was irritated because Joss came at him with a bitchy "I don't recognize you" when he appeared unwell and had made a huge mess that looked like a robbery to her. She's talking like they know each other. They never had a relationship. All she knows is who his parents are and who his sister is, that he used to be married to Elizabeth and he's Aiden father. She knows nothing of his history with Bobbie and Ruby. Her mother never had any use for him; in fact  was always obsessed with Jason and would put Lucky down when there was a Lucky v. Jason scene that had to do with Elizabeth.

THIS! SO MUCH. The entitled little brat made me want to reach into my screen and slap her. And not for nothing, but her belated realization came oh so conveniently how long after the fact? And the cops insisting that she needed to report it and they'd be back if she changed her mind? Please. And Dex coming back, while still on duty? Double Please, with a couple orders of rolling eyes so hard they fell out of my head.

As for Lucky and Jason's friendship? There's history there back when Lucky found out Luke had raped Laura and he left home to live in that train boxcar. Jason helped him out there, as he was working in the garage at the time. I can't recall if Jason gave Lucky a job there or not, but before the Yeller McYellerson and Larry recasts, Lucky and Jason were friends, so I can see why now, with JJ back, Lucky would go to Jason. Also, not surprised Jason has wads of cash lying around. Coffee may be legitimate, but he still is a fucking hitman, so of course he'll have bricks of moolah around. What I HATE is Lucky going to him, and the need to run away again. I'm hoping Laura will metaphorically slap the sense back into him, because Lucky's heart? It's all LAURA.

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dubbel zout

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I don't care that Lucky was upset he couldn't be a donor to Lulu. You don't throw people out of a business and then trash it. Joss had every right to yell at him for that. That she later was able to figure out why it did it and did it there doesn't change the fact that Lucky caused a lot of damage, physical and financial. Misplaced violence is still violence.

I think it's reasonable Lucky has a cordial/friendly relationship with Jason at this point, and it's also GH law, so whatever. I can't get too worked up over this. But like others, I wonder why Lucky asked Jason for a passport. Was it merely because Jason could get one faster? That's what the expedited process is for! But again, whatever. Jason is the go-to when anyone needs life assistance of any sort, apparently. Okay, Show.

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Bringonthedrama

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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I expect there to be scenes with his brother since this isn't a short visit back to Port Charles for Lucky. Will it be the same? of course not. It couldn't be. But I do believe JJ will work and make me believe, yeah, these two are brothers.

As for Lucky and Jason's friendship? There's history there back when Lucky found out Luke had raped Laura and he left home to live in that train boxcar. Jason helped him out there, as he was working in the garage at the time. I can't recall if Jason gave Lucky a job there or not, but before the Yeller McYellerson and Larry recasts, Lucky and Jason were friends, so I can see why now, with JJ back, Lucky would go to Jason.

Yes, JJ would of course make the audience believe he and any nuNikolas actor are brothers. I know that JJ said he's back for a long run, but there hasn't been an announcement of Huss (or any other actor) being on-screen anytime soon, let alone on-contract, to play Nikolas. So I'm uncertain about seeing a brothers scene in the future. I guess we'll eventually see a Nikolas and Lucky reunion. 

I remember that Jason helped Lucky when he left home, he gave Lucky jobs to do, etc. and Lucky was living above the garage because Jason offered it to him. They were friends-ish. But I thought that Jason sleeping with Elizabeth while she was married to him, and conceiving Jake (regardless of the circumstances), would change that friendship - how Lucky looked at Jason - forever. 

As for today, Laura sobbing on Lucky's shoulder as they hugged and saying "I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful" looked to me like it's GF as much as Laura, thrilled and emotional at her reunion with JJ. And of course, the I missed yous, the talk of Luke, and holding her son's hand. Oh, my heart!!! Laura's devastated look when he said his liver isn't healthy to be Lulu's donor. I also liked him crediting Elizabeth for all the good about Aiden and acknowledging that he's lived recklessly. Did not expect him to say he's failed Lulu twice now. Or Laura's flashback to the Triple L explosion. I loved Laura telling Lucky emphatically she needs him to be with her. GF and JJ really made me cry, wow.

For once, Diane says something important/useful. Of course it didn't occur to him to think of Danny and Jake as he's going on about Sonny and Carly.

One major disappointment: Why on God's green Earth would Elizabeth call Carly to give the news about Lucky not being a viable donor, yet she sees Lulu's MOTHER and only tells her that Lucky's in the chapel?!! 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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So the gun has resurfaced. I guess it's safe to say that Sam will not die in a diving accident. And with that, they closed a whole storyline avenue and cut a bunch of possible drama.

Jason is the biggest schmuck in the universe. Carly and Sonny are so much more important than me.

Thank you Diane for calling him out on his BS. Words I never thought I'd say. But what Jason really needs is to be kicked in the teeth and be driven into that tree once more. Maybe he'll regain some common sense then. Loser. 

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statsgirl

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I`d forgotten that Olivia was on the show. Nice that she`s talking to Nina now that Nina is useful. But am I supposed to think that

Michael is so amazing, Kristina wouldn`t listen to Alexis or Sonny but she listens to Michael.

Diane, I think that Jake is just fine without Jason around.

Diane is with Jason at the warehouse on the pier, she picks up the phone and it`s Sonny. Next scene Jason is walking into the suite as Sonny is hanging up with Diane. How did Jason get there so fast? Is the warehouse down the hall?

Of course the gun gets found just in time to keep Sonny from admitting that he murdered Jagger.

Another day of Lucky beating himself up for not being in Port Charles for the people who need him even as he's getting ready to leave again.

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GHScorpiosRule

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2 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

As for today, Laura sobbing on Lucky's shoulder as they hugged and saying "I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful" looked to me like it's GF as much as Laura, thrilled and emotional at her reunion with JJ. And of course, the I missed yous, the talk of Luke, and holding her son's hand. Oh, my heart!!! Laura's devastated look when he said his liver isn't healthy to be Lulu's donor. I also liked him crediting Elizabeth for all the good about Aiden and acknowledging that he's lived recklessly. Did not expect him to say he's failed Lulu twice now. Or Laura's flashback to the Triple L explosion. I loved Laura telling Lucky emphatically she needs him to be with her. GF and JJ really made me cry, wow.

OMGEEEE!!!! I'm misting up just reading this and now I can't wait until I get home! I'll be keeping this on my dvr queue to watch again and again!

Yes! Another flashback!!!!!

4 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

One major disappointment: Why on God's green Earth would Elizabeth call Carly to give the news about Lucky not being a viable donor, yet she sees Lulu's MOTHER and only tells her that Lucky's in the chapel?!! 

Because Korte and Frank are INSISTENT that these two are now "friendlies" which just makes my gag reflex go into overdrive. Cujo should be NOWHERE near this, but I can't have nice things.

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Bringonthedrama

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Side note: Does Lucky know Luke is dead? Maybe he and Laura will talk about it today. 

Yes, he already knew. He and Laura talked about it. He apparently already knew Nikolas is in prison. He empathizes with his brother's desire for redemption (since he's feeling the same) and his mother's hardship about seeing his brother in prison.

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

OMGEEEE!!!! I'm misting up just reading this and now I can't wait until I get home! I'll be keeping this on my dvr queue to watch again and again!

 

Because Korte and Frank are INSISTENT that these two are now "friendlies" which just makes my gag reflex go into overdrive. Cujo should be NOWHERE near this, but I can't have nice things.

You're welcome, lol. 

It's not about them being "friendlies" in this case. It's that Carly is a cousin - she's NOT Lucky or Lulu's POA or immediate family/next of kin. She's absolutely not entitled to know a damn thing, although I figured she knew already from Josslyn. The only person who should get that information from Portia or Elizabeth unless Lucky volunteers it to Carly's face, is Lucky's and Lulu's MOTHER.

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Bringonthedrama

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58 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

So the gun has resurfaced. I guess it's safe to say that Sam will not die in a diving accident. And with that, they closed a whole storyline avenue and cut a bunch of possible drama

I think that transplant surgeon Isaiah's line to Lucky about the surgery to save Lulu being risky and the recovery time, etc. was an anvil - and now that we know she's not in a diving accident, I'm leaning toward Sam dies because there's some major complication while she's undergoing surgery as Lulu's donor. The guilt for multiple characters, especially Dante and Rocco, that all family and friends are so focused on saving Lulu and that culminates with Sam ending up being sacrificed, would be Emmy reel worthy for several actors. Laura and Alexis have a long-term bond over Nikolas and Spencer; can you imagine that Alexis's daughter/Nikolas' cousin dies saving Laura's daughter/ Nikolas' sister? I'm thrilled that GF, BHerbst and JJ are working together again but still there is sadness that TC's Nikolas will not be a part of the storyline. The one downside is Carly running to Jason sobbing that she's so sorry that saving her family - her beloved cousin (gag me) cost his son a mother.

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54 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Michael is so amazing, Kristina wouldn`t listen to Alexis or Sonny but she listens to Michael.

I'll never understand why. She needs to tell Michael to shove it, which of course she never will. And how gross he had Spin put a tracker on her phone!

Whenever anyone mentions Jake and/or Danny to Jason, he always has an expression on his face like, "Who?" So dumb to give him kids in the first place. There's no way to reconcile Jason's inexplicable loyalty to the Corinthii over his sons. The kids will never come first. But Jason doesn't care: "They're better off without me." I'm supposed to feel sorry for Jason? Or find him noble for his sacrifice? Spare me. He's trash.

1 minute ago, Bringonthedrama said:

think that transplant surgeon Isaiah's line to Lucky about the surgery to save Lulu being risky and the recovery time, etc. was an anvil

Isaiah also said he'd never step foot in an OR again, so of course he will.

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I've said all along that as a Sam and Kemo fan, the only outcome that would  make her death worth something, would be her dying trying to find that gun to prove her mom's innocence.  And that then Jason turns against Sonny.  For good.  But of course, they aren't going to do that.  I should have known.   So everything stays the same as always.  Sonny will end up winning believe me. 

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Jason, Lucky, Sonny, Carly, Anna - they need to throw a pity party for themselves. It would be a rager.

Anna is slipping, she wasn't able to talk Kristina out of trying to provide actual evidence on Cate's murder! (Thought she tried really hard!) She did give Kristina the nod to leave with Michael when he arrived with all the gravitas of a schoolboy. Well done, Commish!  

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2 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

If GF ever retires, I will be gone too. Damn she is so natural! Broke my heart to hear her talk about letting “ our girl” go and asking Lucky to hold her hand 

She was so good in that last scene. 😭😭😭

Michael acted like a control freak stalker who lost it because his half-sister left his grasp. I hate shows that make this behaviour look like love, it’s absolutely not.

Loved this new and improved (from weakling and incompetent) Martin though, and also Alexis annoyed that Carly has gotten a piece of the  Brennan pie. 😂

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tessaray

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1 hour ago, jqdeco said:

If Nik, Lulu’s half brother, had been a match in the past, where is Ethan? He is also Lulu’s half brother and should also be tested. I know a lot of people were never a fan of Ethan, but might as well bring back Nathan Parsons since Lucky is back and eventually nuLulu.

Nik, Lucky and Lulu have Laura in common. I would guess the odds of Ethan being a match aren't as good. But it would be nice to see NP again for a short visit. I wonder if he would still have chemistry with the latest Kristina.

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dubbel zout

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26 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Nik, Lucky and Lulu have Laura in common.

And Ethan, Lucky, and Lulu have Luke in common. I don't want Ethan back for even a second, but he's related to Lulu as much as Nik is, so there should be some mention of him regarding this. Didn't Holly say he was off running scams somewhere? Of course she was proud. *rme*

28 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

It could be some random gun someone has sent to the PC PD for reasons.

You're new here, aren't you? 😉

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tessaray

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53 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

And Ethan, Lucky, and Lulu have Luke in common. I don't want Ethan back for even a second, but he's related to Lulu as much as Nik is, so there should be some mention of him regarding this.

Until I just Googled it, I didn't realize liver donation isn't nearly as finicky as bone marrow. Since Lulu is Type A, either Type A or O would be okay. According to the GH wiki, Luke was O-, not that familial matches really matter as much for a living donor.

Just guessing but it seems more that it's mainly relatives who will undergo a painful major surgery with a 6-8 week recovery to save someone else. 

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Cheyanne11

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Michael essentially stalking and controlling Kristina is super creepy.  Hey, Mikey, you might want to pay attention to what's happening in your OWN house with your wifey and Uncle.  

I wasn't really that emotionally invested in the Laura/Lucky scenes until Laura breaking down and pleading with Lucky to stay with her in case she had to say goodbye to Lulu.  GF has always excelled at that sorrowful kind of scenes so not shocking she nailed it.

 

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Bringonthedrama

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

And Ethan, Lucky, and Lulu have Luke in common. I don't want Ethan back for even a second, but he's related to Lulu as much as Nik is, so there should be some mention of him regarding this. Didn't Holly say he was off running scams somewhere? Of course she was proud. *rme*

Eh, I don't think a DNA test was ever run to prove Ethan is Luke's. I still think of Ethan as the retconned "son" because Geary wanted Luke to have a son not played by GV, an actor he didn't care for. I prefer to believe Holly knows that Luke isn't Ethan's real father, so she didn't bother volunteering to reach out to him about Lulu. I think she told Mac that Ethan is safe and doing well. 

That reminds me, has JJ ever worked with ES and/or FH before? I know that Lucky knew of Holly and Anna because of his parents', especially Luke's, history with Robert but I can't recall JJ-Lucky ever being in scenes with either actress prior to this storyline.

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10 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

That reminds me, has JJ ever worked with ES and/or FH before? I know that Lucky knew of Holly and Anna because of his parents', especially Luke's, history with Robert but I can't recall JJ-Lucky ever being in scenes with either actress prior to this storyline.

Well Anna was “dead” in 1993 when wee Lucky showed up. I think Holly may have been around for Robin? But Finola didn’t return until 2006, and I don’t remember if she was there in 2009-2010 when JJ returned as Lucky.

YaddaYadda

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7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Didn't Holly say he was off running scams somewhere?

He's apparently keeping out of trouble.

If I'm a cop and Michael showed up like that to get his sister, screaming not another word and so on, I'd put Kristina at the top of my suspect list.

This whole Cates situation is just gross. Yes, he went off the deep end, but the bozos will not acknowledge why. If someone started watching the show tomorrow, they'd think Jagger was a corrupt FBI agent who had it out for Sonny, who has such a heart of gold under the gruff exterior.

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ciarra

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Back to the guns.

Kristina shot Jagger. (speculation) (Gun 1)

Sonny is shown shooting Jagger. (Gun 2)

So Kristina made the kill shot, Sonny added to it to confuse the medical examiner.  (Not sure why he lets her run off, seeing as though he was standing there, shout-whispering at Jagger only seconds before the gunshot).

Why is there no mention of bullets from two different guns in the report?

Alexis throws Gun 1 off bridge, Jason acid baths Gun 2.

 

Gun 3, Stephen Lars shoots Jagger from the bushes, just because. lol.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, ciarra said:

So Kristina made the kill shot, Sonny added to it to confuse the medical examiner.  (Not sure why he lets her run off, seeing as though he was standing there, shout-whispering at Jagger only seconds before the gunshot).

Is this your speculation, or is Show telling us this is what happened? DESPITE that Kristina was nowhere near there, and there were no "sparks" showing two different shots. And that we saw/were shown Mooby shot Jagger TWICE.

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