Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[JMO]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

She didn't go about Gio; she thought Martin might have information where Valentin and Charlotte were.

That's why Lulu went.  But she found the notes from Martin's meeting with Lois, and I can't remember why Lois went to meet with Martin in the first place.

[dubbel zout]

Lois was wondering if there were any legal ramifications of Gio's "adoption." 

She didn't get a chance to say much because Lulu interrupted them to talk to Martin. He told her he had no idea where Valentin and Charlotte were, Lulu was convinced he was lying (he wasn't), so she hatched her plan to go back and illegally snoop.

Edited May 29 by dubbel zout

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

She didn't get a chance to say much because Lulu interrupted them to talk to Martin

Not quite. Tracy showed up at Martin's door first, I think?

Edited May 29 by GHScorpiosRule

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Lois was wondering if there were any legal ramifications of Gio's "adoption." 

She didn't get a chance to say much because Lulu interrupted them to talk to Martin. He told her he had no idea where Valentin and Charlotte were, Lulu was convinced he was lying (he wasn't), so she hatched her plan to go back and illegally snoop.

And then had the nerve to get pissy when Chase suggested she could be arrested for breaking and entering and actually used "he's my uncle" as her defense.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

37 minutes ago, JMO said:

Dante needs to have a long internal conversation---or maybe one aloud, with his friend Cody---to figure out if he thinks he and Gio might have been better off if they'd never known about one another. If he decides yes, then he can be angry at Lulu for investigating it and leading to the blow up.  But if he thinks they are better off being father and son, he will have to come to terms with the fact that, of the four women who knew about the pregnancy, only Lulu thought Dante had the right to know, and only she was in favor of making that happen.  He'll figure it out.  And I agree that they'll be back in each other's lives soon enough.

Plus Lulu was correct that knowing this secret, even after finding out accidentally, and being asked to keep quiet about it meant that she would now also be lying to Dante, and she's entitled to not be okay with that.

[Daisy]

You know. I am actually, really mad at show now for making Drew into this big giant walking Red Flag. because to me it just paints it now as "The Carlys were Right All Along." 

Like im sorry. I am saying this in my best Clair Huxtable voice let the record show  that this man was melted in his father's apartment. Why? Because he's a mobster. Michael was shot in his head because of his father. Morgan is dead. because of mobster connections. 

But Drew is too horrible to have kids around? And the fact that Willow didn't even spit that in Michael's face makes me so mad. 

And. also also, so if Michael decides he doesn't like Willow's next love interest, is he going to pull that card out again? 

I wanna know how Willow's life "imploded." She fell in love with someone else, and ended (or would have ended) her marriage to Michael had he not been burned to a crisp. She still has her job. She still has some friends. and she's knowing what it's like not to have Carly/Joss on your side (better off for it)  Like.. major big bruh here. 

[Cheyanne11]

This show loves to give everyone babies and then have them fight over them like a bunch of assholes.

[absnow54]

Sasha must have been reading the boards with her half assed, “I guess I’m kind of a hypocrite for helping Michael steal his kids!” And Jason’s quick, “Oh no, it’s totally fine when you do it!” Girl, Michael is going to take your kid from you too. 

[Cheyanne11]

Carly will be adding another bedroom to the house as soon as she finds out.

[dubbel zout]

4 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Sasha must have been reading the boards with her half assed, “I guess I’m kind of a hypocrite for helping Michael steal his kids!” And Jason’s quick, “Oh no, it’s totally fine when you do it!” Girl, Michael is going to take your kid from you too. 

I hate when the show lampshades like this. It doesn't make any sense anyway: If it's totes okay that Michael's kids with Willow can live with him, why can't Michael's kid with Sasha do the same? If the Qs/Corinthii are so terrible, why is Sasha okay with Michael's kids being under their influence? So dumb.

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

Dante needs to have a long internal conversation---or maybe one aloud, with his friend Cody---to figure out if he thinks he and Gio might have been better off if they'd never known about one another. If he decides yes, then he can be angry at Lulu for investigating it and leading to the blow up. 

As Dante told Lulu, she should have gone to him and told him about her suspicions instead of having a blow-up with Lois and giving her an ultimatum to come clean, it wasn't her place. As he said, Lulu was trying to be Dante's hero instead of thinking how what she was doing would affect Gio.

Dante can be angry at Brook Lynn but he also has every right to be angry at Lulu for how she handled it.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Willow, I'm not sure your kids would notice if you were wearing your wedding rings.

Amelia won't, but Wylie is old enough to notice if she stopped wearing that huge rock.

41 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I wanna know how Willow's life "imploded." She fell in love with someone else, and ended (or would have ended) her marriage to Michael had he not been burned to a crisp. She still has her job. She still has some friends. and she's knowing what it's like not to have Carly/Joss on your side (better off for it)  Like.. major big bruh here. 

Exactly. She has her job, her mother, her friends at the hospital, a lovely home. her relationship with her mother. The only thing that she's lost is the Spencer/Corinthos connection. It's not the end of the world, no matter what Carly and his kids think.

Edited May 29 by statsgirl

[norahs99]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Maybe he should have put two and two together, but boys/men aren't expected to worry about unwanted pregnancies as much as girls/women are. 

It's the fact that he never thought to ask the question is what I have a problem with. Men feel no obligation to even ASK if the possibility of a baby even exists, let alone make it clear they want to know should that be the result. There are several young male characters on this show. I wish they would use this opportunity and have Dante and Jason make their sons aware of THEIR responsibility when it comes to bringing a child into the world.

[GHScorpiosRule]

First, we don't get to SEE Dante's reaction when Brook Lynn tells him that it was Lulu who knew and held it over Brook Lynn's head? No, of course NOT. We see him just show up at her door. More on those scenes later.

THEN, we get another offscreen revelation from Tracy to Ned that it was Lulu.

What the Fuck, Show?

I was so thrilled to see Dante's anger. Yes, truly. Because this twaddletwat STILL kept INSISTING that Brook Lynn KNEW Gio was her kid. She yelled it, while Dante let loose with "SHE KNEEEWWWW!!!" and while she's been trotting that "Dante deserves to KNOW" all these months, no one will convince me she also had an agenda to stick it to Brook Lynn at the same time. 

Yeah, like she doesn't want Dante back. They were thisclose to talking about it when they got the news about Rocco's alcohol poisoning.

So, Willow was shocked, SHOCKED! that the SLS is pretty much doing the same to her what she had been planning to do to him? With the exception being that he, oh so is willing to let her see their kids if she dropkicks Drew? Alrighty then. It's all so stupid.

And granted, Drew isn't a murderer or linked to the mob, but he is dirty, manipulative, and lying piece of 💩.  If he's so confident of Willow's wuv, then why arrange for the receptionist in Germany to lie to Willow that her husband refused to see her? And convincing her to name him guardian of her spawn if SHE dies? And a host of other things. But damn if I didn't want to bitchslap him when he said he was entitled to the ring that Lila gave to the SLS because he's also her grandson? Like, what? If Willow wants to keep the Princess Diana knock off engagement ring for Amelia, that's one thing. Drew should have no say in that.

And really, Willow? NOW your marriage is over? What have you been doing, shacking up with your gtanduncle-in-law, then?

Boy, did Olivia do a quick 180. Either that, or she has sense enough to keep what she thinks (what she said to Lois) to herself. But I think she was being sincere. 

I laughed at the scenes between her and Tracy with the psychic comment, and also loved, loved, LOVED the scenes with Ned and Brook Lynn (made me cry, did Wally) and the ones with Ned and Tracy.

I'm trying to understand Gio, I really am. Because I suddenly remembered. A good close family friend-my honorary uncle. When his first wife died, his second wife adopted their baby son. As far as my aunt was concerned-He WAS/IS her child.

I consider the son my baby cousin. Anyhoo. They never told him that his mom wasn't his bio mother until he was...Gio's age. He was upset with both of them for awhile. I can't recall how long. But it was a good space of time. 

Topic? Show is still having Gio act like adoption is something like throwing away a child you didn't want, and that is still rubbing me the wrong way. Camilla was still his mother, even if not by blood. People who adopt? They aren't "fake" or not real parents. They ARE the parents. But apparently, on this show, only BLOOD counts.

Boy does Lois look hideous with that flat and fried hair style.

Edited May 30 by GHScorpiosRule

[Cheyanne11]

6 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Topic? Show is still having Gio act like adoption is something like throwing away a child you didn't want, and that is still rubbing me the wrong way.

LOL 'still?'  It hasn't even been 24 hours since his life was turned upside down and everything he believed to be true has been revealed to be a lie.  Maybe give him just a little grace here.

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Brook Lynn was thinking of Dante, she said that she didn't want him to have the pain of knowing that he has a child out there and could not find him. Was she right? Maybe, maybe not.

But it wasn't Lulu's job to make the decision to find the baby and then force Lois to reveal the information to everyone, as Dante told her today.  Lulu is so convinced that she is always right that she never looks for the consequences if she could be wrong.

Yet the way Brook Lynn said it esp. to Dante, made it sound like her decision not to "share the pain" was more of a justification to herself, so she wouldn't have to face guilt that she made a decision regarding their baby without his knowledge or consent when she is supposed to consider him a good friend. This storyline has been very much a "my body, my baby, my choice" perspective.  

Absolutely.

2 hours ago, JMO said:

Dante needs to have a long internal conversation---or maybe one aloud, with his friend Cody---to figure out if he thinks he and Gio might have been better off if they'd never known about one another. If he decides yes, then he can be angry at Lulu for investigating it and leading to the blow up.  But if he thinks they are better off being father and son, he will have to come to terms with the fact that, of the four women who knew about the pregnancy, only Lulu thought Dante had the right to know, and only she was in favor of making that happen.  He'll figure it out.  And I agree that they'll be back in each other's lives soon enough.

I think it's obvious he does want to be a father because of the way he said, "my boy" when recalling to Cody a memory of Gio as a child during Independence Day, when he snapped at Brook Lynn "our kid I barely know" and when he yelled at Lulu about her ruining any chance of him having a relationship with Gio. He's angry and hurt that Lulu found out about the child and investigated on her own, instead of going to him with the information so he could make choices that may or may not have included her.

He's saying you also took away my agency and hurt Gio in the process because you want me and other people to see Brook Lynn the way you see her.  He already is well aware that out of four women, Lulu is the only one who felt he had a right to know, genuinely loves him and cares about his feelings. That's why they were both in tears.  He knows his feelings of hurt and anger aren't important to Lois or Brook Lynn.

He's hurt and angry toward Lulu now, but I don't expect it will last long. What he feels toward Lulu is not even close to the deep hurt, anger and betrayal he feels toward Brook Lynn and Lois. In time it will "sink in" that if Lois had come clean to Gio, Brook Lynn and Dante at any point, there would have been no reason for Lulu to confront Lois and Gio never would have found out that way.

Edited May 29 by Bringonthedrama

[JMO]

I agree that Lulu should have told Dante right away.  It would have been the best way to honor their relationship.  But since she gave in to BL's request not to do so, I get her desire to get Lois or BL to tell Dante.  The bottom line is that Lulu had a strong sense that Dante needed to know, and the other women didn't.  The second big mistake Lulu made was confronting Lois about it in a relatively public setting, and she'll have to be responsible for that.  But Dante only knows he has another son because Lulu felt strongly that he needed to know, and I think he will eventually come to realize that.  

8 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Topic? Show is still having Gio act like adoption is something like throwing away a child you didn't want, and that is still rubbing me the wrong way. Camilla was still his mother, even if not by blood. People who adopt? They aren't "fake" or not real parents. They ARE the parents. But apparently, on this show, only BLOOD counts.

 

This is the main fault I find in how they've handled this story.  Why, when he had such a loving relationship with his adoptive mother, would Gio's anger be so quickly focused on this idea of being rejected by his birth parents?  I could understand it better if he'd had a miserable childhood, but it doesn't sound like that was the case, even considering the death of Camilla. I'd have expected Gio to be stunned at the idea that Camilla wasn't his bio mom, and at being lied to.  But I couldn't quite get to his sense of rejection.  Maybe it's just because it all happened in the space of a few minutes.  And because he'd not even tried to verify it.  I know it was dramatic license, but...wouldn't you even try to make sure you'd heard correctly?

[Sake614]

21 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

It hasn't even been 24 hours since his life was turned upside down and everything he believed to be true has been revealed to be a lie.  Maybe give him just a little grace here.

Hell it hasn’t even been SIX hours! It’s still the same night lol!

[dubbel zout]

21 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

If Willow wants to keep the Princess Diana knock off engagement ring for Amelia, that's one thing. Drew should have no say in that.

What Willow should do is return the ring to whoever controls the Q jewelry vault—you know they have one—and then wait to see who else might want it. Just because Drew is a Q doesn't give him automatic first dibs.

24 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Boy, did Olivia do a quick 180. Either that, or she has sense enough to keep what she thinks (what she said to Lois) to herself. But I think she was being sincere. 

I thought that at first was an about-face too, but it's not, not exactly. For one thing, Olivia has calmed down and can see the obvious parallels with her own history. I think she was sincere that BL made the right decision for her; what Olivia is irate about is that Lois was so underhanded about how she went against BL's wish for a closed adoption.

 

[TVbitch]

Lulu should have just taken her lumps from Dante instead getting defensive and  being all "we are never ever getting back together." That was just a preemptive counter-attack she launched cuz he had the gall to be mad at her (instead of just being mad at BLQ). She's her own worst enemy.

NuMichael has a bit of stately Bruce Wayne about him that I'm digging. 

[statsgirl]

55 minutes ago, JMO said:

 This is the main fault I find in how they've handled this story.  Why, when he had such a loving relationship with his adoptive mother, would Gio's anger be so quickly focused on this idea of being rejected by his birth parents? 

His whole world blew up in the space of a few seconds and he found out that the mother that he thought he had inherited his musical talent from wasn't his bio mom at all.

In addition, it's only a couple of days since Dante had laid into him about getting Rocco drunk and Gio is convinced that Dante hates him and has the lowest of opinions about him. It's not a leap to think that someone who thinks that way about him would have rejected him at birth.

Edited May 29 by statsgirl

[YaddaYadda]

59 minutes ago, JMO said:

This is the main fault I find in how they've handled this story.  Why, when he had such a loving relationship with his adoptive mother, would Gio's anger be so quickly focused on this idea of being rejected by his birth parents?

I think that we have to give him a minute. I don't think he means it when he says that his mother wasn't his mother. I think it's just the shock of finding out that he was given up for adoption.

I think that once he has had the time to calm down and wrap his head around everything, which might take time, he will remember just how much Camilla loved him and that her being his adoptive mother doesn't maker her less his mother than the one who gave birth to him.

I was actually satisfied with the scenes between Olivia and BL. That Olivia showed a lot of understanding and empathy. I didn't think she would.

[jsbt]

I am still catching up on the reveal eps because I enjoy DZ, Rena and Giovanni Mazza and his chest, but I wanted to note that Rory Gibson, who I remembered being somnambulant on Y&R, has impressed me so far as Michael. There is the edge and steel or danger to him that recalls not just Drew Garrett's Michael but Chad back when he cared (and had decent day to day writing in his first couple years), as well as some of Kanan and Billy Warlock.

(I'd still put his Michael with screwball Maxie way far down the road though - opposites attract.)

[dubbel zout]

6 minutes ago, jsbt said:

(I'd still put his Michael with screwball Maxie way far down the road though - opposites attract.)

I was against this when Duell was in the role and played Michael as such a downer, but the new guy might actually be able to put in some effort and not leave KSt to do all of the heavy lifting.

[jsbt]

12 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I was against this when Duell was in the role and played Michael as such a downer, but the new guy might actually be able to put in some effort and not leave KSt to do all of the heavy lifting.

I think Chad (again, when he tried) was very good at playing both the straight man and scheming exec as well as the dangerous young kid, and I just think that straight-laced or more intellectual energy (even with Gibson) opposite kooky Maxie would be unique. She's usually put with plastic hunks or, well, Spinelli. I also think it would put her in the funky position of being the slightly 'older woman', which is new for her character.

But for the time being I am fine with Spixie back together - Kirsten and the brief PM writing team made me care about them again last year - and I think they should be happy for a good while. God knows I and others have not always been a fan of them, but they've had their ups and downs and they both come off a lot better lately to me than they did in the years when I thought he was much better off with Ellie. Frankly if you're going to soft reboot the show's canvas you couldn't hurt things much to do it with a happy wedding for Spixie, a longtime couple a lot of the audience truly cares for (unlike the attempt with BLQ/Chase last year).

Edited May 29 by jsbt

[PatsyandEddie]

Drew is hanging onto the ring just to piss people off. I know an engagement ring belongs to the bride but this is a family heirloom and Willow was thinking that when she said she should return it. Drew knows Tracey will go ballistic. 

[YaddaYadda]

4 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Drew is hanging onto the ring just to piss people off. I know an engagement ring belongs to the bride but this is a family heirloom and Willow was thinking that when she said she should return it. Drew knows Tracey will go ballistic. 

Drew is a dick. He did try to have the crypt bulldozed while his grandmother's remains were still there. 

The only person I feel really sorry for in all of this is Scout. Lost her mother and her father is a total asshat.

[Cheyanne11]

30 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Drew is hanging onto the ring just to piss people off. I

 

30 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Drew is a dick. He did try to have the crypt bulldozed while his grandmother's remains were still there. 

He can fucking miss me with the "this was my grandmother's ring" when he LITERALLY tried to dig up her corpse because his itty bitty feelings got hurt.  Total d-bag.

TeamNobody.

TeamGiveTheKidsToStella

TeamBetterYetShipThemOffToBoardingSchool

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 5/27/2025 at 2:37 PM, Daisy said:

For someone who doesn't want her baby to be raised by Michael Sasha's involving herself a lot in what Michael does with his kids. like bruh. 

Oh Sasha.  So eager to play, so reluctant to admit it.

On 5/27/2025 at 3:25 PM, Sake614 said:

Does she? Have legal custody? I don’t recall any papers being signed to that effect.  Michael let her take the kids the night of the reveal and then got blowed up. Not sure if the legalities but either way it wasn’t cool for Jason and Sasha to just walk off with Amelia. And that babysitter should be fired for allowing it 

agree with everyone re JE. That woman really needs to teach a master class in acting. She went from righteous indignation to gentle and caring in the blink of an eye. Was she a bit overbearing with her ‘this is your family and all of this is yours?’ Yeah but I’ll forgive it 

glad BL read Lois for filth and I hope Ned does too. 

could’ve done without the love scene. Ka is handsome but there’s no ‘there’ there.

Given how nonsensically the legal system is depicted on GH, who knows?  All kind of court decisions flying around without any judicial notification or warning to all parties involved.

[Daisy]

10 minutes ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

Oh Sasha.  So eager to play, so reluctant to admit it.

seriously. i bet you if Michael were to put a ring on it she'll forget all about "oh i can't have my baby raised this way." 

[Artsda]

Lulu's mistake was listening to Brooklyn and keeping her secret at the start and getting involved.  Now Dante throwing that in her face.  Lulu is at fault for blowing up Dante relationship with his son? The son he verbally attacked, the son he didn't know about, the son he would have continued hating? 

Lulu should join the PCPD, she figured out Gio while nobody else could. 

New Michael so great in those scenes with Willow. 

Willow is still so blind and stupid. Drew played her like a fiddle. 

Willow kept the rings on because she didn't want the kids to see, but it was ok for them to see her sharing a bed with Drew? 

Now Brooklyn wants a chance to love Gio? A child she was never gonna find. 

Drew saw that ring and looked at it like he was Gollum, "my precious" and snatched it. 

Lol at Tracy saying Ned was bad son, she's not wrong she got arrested and he continued to party.  Jason went to get her. 

[Daisy]

Okay. 

Drew. Did you forget that Scout is your daughter too. Maybe she would like to have Lila's ring, and also. do you think for ONE MOMENT Tracy is going to let you live when she realises you have it? She will end you, fool. 

[Winston Wolfe]

Something occurred to me today. Willow is a Stepford Wife with Stockholm Syndrome...

Almost everyone involved in the Gio reveal is bringing their "A" games, something we haven't seen for a while. I'm wondering if Dante and Lulu's blow-up is setting the stage for a Cody/Molly/Lulu triangle. Not sure anyone wins there.

Watching WK and JE today was like Christmas in July. Two very talented vets who can amaze just through muscle memory. Very nice.

3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

NuMichael has a bit of stately Bruce Wayne about him that I'm digging. 

NuNuNuNu(?) Michael is a handsome young son-of-a-gun. Also, the new Emma actress is stunning, and really evokes what FH must have looked like at a comparable age. Mikey and Emma would make a drop-dead gorgeous couple, even though she's clearly into Gio.

Man, this show suddenly got interesting. Didn't see that coming.

 

Edited May 30 by Winston Wolfe

[Artsda]

25 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

I'm wondering if Dante and Lulu's blow-up is setting the stage for a Cody/Molly/Lulu triangle. Not sure anyone wins there.

Yeah I hope no to that, this would be good time for Johnny return. 

[KerleyQ]

The Olivia/BLQ scenes were probably the best Olivia scenes in I don't even know how many years. I can totally get why Olivia would be furious with Lois but supportive of BLQ. 

Dante, you think Lulu made Gio hate you?  Do you even remember all the venom you've been spewing at him over the past couple weeks? The good news is you didn't shoot him in the chest, so there's hope you can come together at some point. 

And, Lulu, stop kidding yourself. You were absolutely this dog with a bone with this whole thing because it was BLQ and Dante. If the parents were any other two people in town, you would not have been so over the top about it all. And you were right that Dante deserved to know that his son is right there. But you went about it all so wrong. And you really couldn't have waited one night? You just had to confront Lois in a busy crowded area? It would have been so much better to talk to Dante after the NB was over and lay out what you've learned and what you suspect. Let him decide how he wanted to move forward with the information. 

NuMichael seems to have aged the character about a decade, in a good way.  Chad's Michael always felt like a kid playing grown up. This Michael is a grown man. Jason is playing the role with him that he plays with Sonny and Carly - "I think you're making a mistake, I'm going to try to get you to see things differently, and then I'm still going to support your impulsive reactive ass as you do the thing I tried to steer you away from." He's just a bit more subtle in his disapproval with Michael than he is with Carly or Sonny. 

I laughed out loud at Willow declaring her marriage was over. Honey, you've moved in with and been fucking another man for months now. Were you really thinking there was some chance your marriage was not over? Did you not want your marriage to be over? 

I cannot wait until it comes out in court that Sasha is a hypocrite who hooked up with Willow's husband and has been actively keeping the resulting pregnancy secret from the Q's while simultaneously doing everything in her power to keep Willow's children away from her and with the Q's. 

Edited May 30 by KerleyQ

[bybrandy]

Yeah I’m going to give Gio some grace here everything he thought he knew about his family was just outed as a lie. He’s feeling all the things. But I don’t think he’s throwing away his adoptive mom on the other hand he went through the pain of losing his adoptive mom and if Brooke hadn’t given him up he wouldn’t have been orphaned so bonus pain. 
 

Also something we haven’t talked about in this show is it has been well documented that you shouldn’t lie to adopted kids since I was a kid and I’m well old enough to be Gio’s mom. His mom was an active part of letting this betrayal happening by not being honest about his being adopted, but she had to be because of your cousin turns up with a brand new adopted baby a few weeks after you’ve placed a kid for adoption…

 

When Lois was rounding up money from Sonny to educate the kid she could have gone to Ned. Sure Ned isn’t from the neighborhood but he’s wealthy as hell and a musician. Lois is just trash. 

[ciarra]

Anyone else think NuMichael looks like the dude from Titanic?  Or is it just the tux?

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

4 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Anyone else think NuMichael looks like the dude from Titanic?  Or is it just the tux?

 

I don’t see the resemblance to Billy Zane, but perspective and all that. I mentioned up thread that he does remind me of Billy Warlock/Tyler Christopher though. 

[MissPriss]

Let me preface my comment with my age… 75 years young. To me NuMichael resembles a young Richard Chamberlain, especially in profile. 

[sashabear21]

My mom's first husband found out when he was 18 in 1962 that his sister who was 16 years older than him was his biological mother and the parents that raised him were his grandparents.  It messed him up because no one was honest with him his whole life. There were a lot of things he could have understood about the need for the lie, but they lied to him specifically.  Also he wasn't raised in Bensonhurst so that probably adds to it! Gio should be way more grateful because Bensonhurst! 

[ulkis]

What is not connecting with me is that while Gio is very young, he is a grown up. I don't get Cody regretting it or Dante thinking he doesn't have a chance with Gio when his own father shot him and they're freaking hugs snd kisses. Yes, he's upset, but give him a damn week to process. Brook Lynn and Dante could have been literally holding his hands and he would have been pissed and shocked and upset but that doesn't mean he should not have been told. Like I said he's a grown up and when you're grown up sometimes you get shitty news and it is devastating. That's life. He had a right to know and this is the 21st century, Lois was crazy to think she could not tell Gio for the rest of his life.

Could Lulu chosen to confront her in a secured bomb shelter? Sure, but this is a soap and these people drive over 15 minutes to each other's houses to ask if they want to go out to lunch instead of texting or even calling lol. (And come on Lois totally would have said "this isn't the time and place!!") Chase discovered Finn took a DNA test by peeking at his phone. Lulu took Lois to another room, it's not like she was screaming on the stage.

Of course Lulu's motives weren't pure but if it was just about Brook Lynn she would have plastered the news first thing on whatever cornily named soap magazine she's working for now. 

What cracked me up is Dante saying he would be at Lulu's again the next day to tell him about Gio. He can't pick him up and take him to one of Port Charles' hundreds of two-table cafes and restaurants?

I gotta have time to digest NuMichael. I'm not ready for a verdict. I hate everyone in this mess though so I can relax and enjoy the messiness.

Feels like JJ/Lucky has been gone another 13 years lol.

Edited May 30 by ulkis

[bybrandy]

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Feels like JJ/Lucky has been gone another 13 years lol.

I’m back from a long trip on the barge for JJ and honestly I’m ready for a Lucky recast. If JJ can’t or won’t commit to being on the show then why bother?

[ulkis]

7 hours ago, jsbt said:

 you're going to soft reboot the show's canvas you couldn't hurt things much to do it with a happy wedding for Spixie, a longtime couple a lot of the audience truly cares for (unlike the attempt with BLQ/Chase last year).

Hmmph. The attempt worked with me!

But seriously I don't know how after being a Spin hater for years, but I genuinely like Spin/Ellie and thought it was stupid they broke up after 7 years. But since Spixie are together and have been for a while, and they are not doing anything with either, I don't get why they aren't at least engaged now. 

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[ulkis]

14 hours ago, driver18 said:

So, yeah, all of this sympathy for Dante that Im reading, his reaction to what happened and how dismissive overall the reaction to him and what was taken from him is why I've understood Lulu's point of view. In this whole scenario, no one else gives a flying Fig Newton for Dante and what he lost. The right to know he could have raised a child. A good friend, who he knows now lied to him for 22 years and doesn't care that she did. His police partner whom he has to trust 100% lied to him, so how can he trust him now?

Only Lulu has been thinking of Dante. Was she thinking as much of Gio? No, only a little, but she was certain that given time he would bounce back because of Dante, Tracy, Ned, and yes, Brooklyn. And BLQ, Dante, Tracy, Ned, etc. are thinking of the child. And Chase, Tracy, Ned are thinking of Brooklyn. But no one else was thinking of Dante.

Look at yesterday... Brooklyn gave excuses to Dante. Chase didnt even apologize. Tracy told him not to be mad at BLQ. Olivia was all about herself when railing at Lois. Sonny was all about Sonny. Who cares about Dante?  I'm not saying that BLQ and Gio don't deserve or need others in their corner, they do. I'm just saying that Dante having someone who's only skin in the game is him is not the worst thing.

I applaud this with my ten fingers and toes. However, I will say that both Brook Lynn and Chase cared that they lied to Dante. Chase wanted to tell but Brook Lynn stopped him, and I don't blame him for that, although if he doesn't explode soon I'll call bullshit, and Brook Lynn she cared but she didn't want to tell him because it would open up a lot of painful stuff for her,and that's fine but don't act like it was for their son.

I could have sworn in the 90s RS didn't make expressions straight from silent film acting 101:

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[graight]

15 hours ago, ciarra said:

Except for Gio, who looks nothing like Dante or BLQ. 

Maybe they could do a non-GH DNA test and discover that the baby was switched at birth, and Gio isn't related to the Q's or Sonny.

Gio looks like he could be Jax's son.  Wouldn't that be interesting.

[CeChase]

13 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate when the show lampshades like this. It doesn't make any sense anyway: If it's totes okay that Michael's kids with Willow can live with him, why can't Michael's kid with Sasha do the same? If the Qs/Corinthii are so terrible, why is Sasha okay with Michael's kids being under their influence? So dumb.

Yeah, and that may come up in court, if the Sasha paternity secret is revealed there. 

[ljr]

Gio and Emma are great together. 
New Michael is more menacing than old Michael. Great casting

[KittenPokerCheater]

I think Gio and Dante kind of share the same hair, so I can hand wave the rest.

I hope nuMicheal keeps his hair, because poor Billy Zane lost his glorious locks as he got older.

I know Willow is a stepford wife, but I’d like to see her go villainess for awhile.  Let her and Drew got all McBeth.

[Noneofyourbusiness]

16 hours ago, JMO said:

This is the main fault I find in how they've handled this story.  Why, when he had such a loving relationship with his adoptive mother, would Gio's anger be so quickly focused on this idea of being rejected by his birth parents?  I could understand it better if he'd had a miserable childhood, but it doesn't sound like that was the case, even considering the death of Camilla. I'd have expected Gio to be stunned at the idea that Camilla wasn't his bio mom, and at being lied to.  But I couldn't quite get to his sense of rejection.  Maybe it's just because it all happened in the space of a few minutes.  And because he'd not even tried to verify it.  I know it was dramatic license, but...wouldn't you even try to make sure you'd heard correctly?

I think at first, at least, when he thought they both knew the truth, he was angry that apparently they were okay with seeing him there in the neighborhood and lying to him and not making a claim on him even though he was right there in front of them because they didn't want him.

15 hours ago, jsbt said:

but I wanted to note that Rory Gibson, who I remembered being somnambulant on Y&R, has impressed me so far as Michael. 

I didn't see him on Y&R because I've never watched it, but the consensus I've seen among commenters has been that the problem with his character there was the writing rather than his acting.

I'd like him and Sasha to stop dancing around their feelings for each other and get together.

I've always liked Maxie with Spinelli.

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[Noneofyourbusiness]

14 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

The only person I feel really sorry for in all of this is Scout. Lost her mother and her father is a total asshat.

Yeah, can Dante get custody of Scout again? I'd settle for Michael and Sasha, but she knows Dante better.

12 hours ago, Artsda said:

Now Brooklyn wants a chance to love Gio? A child she was never gonna find. 

To be fair, she said before that she'd thought about trying to find him. Her reason for not trying to find him was that it should be his choice to reach out, with her not knowing that could never happen because he was lied to.

[dubbel zout]

14 hours ago, jsbt said:

I just think that straight-laced or more intellectual energy (even with Gibson) opposite kooky Maxie would be unique.

I do, too, but I think CD was so checked out as Michael for so long that the pairing would have been another dud. I don't think the writing would have been that great, either. I'n hopeful the recast revives Michael and inspires better stories.

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

The good news is you didn't shoot him in the chest, so there's hope you can come together at some point. 

Not literally, at least. Hee.

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I laughed at loud at Willow declaring her marriage was over. Honey, you've moved in with and been fucking another man for months now. Were you really thinking there was some chance your marriage was not over? Did you not want your marriage to be over? 

IKR? Did she need the signed divorce papers to finally grasp things? Gah.

3 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Yeah, can Dante get custody of Scout again? I'd settle for Michael and Sasha, but she knows Dante better.

Michael has enough kids, and we certainly don't need to add to Carly's collection. Dante is the best person to raise Scout.