Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Artsda]

13 hours ago, nilyank said:

I hope Dante tells Lulu if she gave thought to blowing up this secret so carelessly without a single thought to how this would effect Gio. Rather than focusing on himself, Dante would realize that the person hurt most was Gio. Everyone else can take a backseat.

The secret lasted 22 years. I could have waited another day, Girl Reporter.

She casually did not blow it up. She gave Lois more grace she deserved by giving her the opportunity to something that should have been done 2 decades ago. Lulu isn't the villain here. She didn't intentionally have Gio overhear. 

Lois used Sonny's money for Gio education all while lying to his face. 

Lois moved Gio in his family home down the hall from his parents and brother. Grandparents, etc.  

Lois had Gio grow up in plain site knowing Brooklyn as a cousin his entire life. 

Lois had Gio grow up in plain site knowing Olivia, Dante, Sonny his entire life all while spitting on the Quartermaines. 

Lois attacked the Qs as being bad people, those people, liars etc etc and did not want her child raised in that family. But she's move herself and Gio into that same house? 

Lois faked his birthday and took him in to raise never telling him or anyone the truth. 

Lois lied to her daughter for decades. 

Lois lied to Ned about their minor daughter being pregnant. 

Edited May 23 by Artsda

[Cheyanne11]

1 minute ago, Artsda said:

Lulu isn't the villain here.

Not the villain, but her hands aren't clean.  At the root of this is her wanting to get back/punish BL.  Whatever blowback she gets will be earned.

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

 

Hypothetical: BL did tell Dante she was pregnant, erasing the need for the lie to begin with. What then? Lois' convoluted plan to watch Gio grow up was put in place because BL "lied" to Dante about having his kid, but everything after that was Lois' doing. So really, all of this could have been avoided if BL has just told Dante that she was having his baby, but again, what then? We might as well really make this BL's fault, since that's why Lulu dug in on this so hard.

I don't entirely think Lulu is the "bad guy" here. BL was a teenager who confided in her mother, and the one thing Lois did respect her wishes on was not involving Dante. That said, I don't think Girl Reporter was being totally noble either, especially given her own past actions with Dillon. Again, I would have more sympathy for any anger she gets over this if I thought she had any sympathy or empathy for the kid caught up in this situation. She wanted to get back at BL, and now she's done it. I don't think she fully considered what would happen next.

I edited my post to "responsible for the situation" instead of bad guy because I agree with you that her motives aren't noble, when it comes to Brook Lynn at least. I think she does have sympathy because otherwise she would have gone straight to Brook Lynn or Gio and said YOU'RE ADOPTED KID and she just interviews/interrogated/stalked every adopted person including her own mother and asked them their experience. And I think the expression she had when Gio was having his band member breakdown (which was deliciously soapy haha) had lots of feelings including "crap" lol. Poor ER would have had shocked Pikachu open mouth.

[Daisy]

11 hours ago, driver18 said:

How is this Lulu's fault?! She made sure to take Lois to an unoccupied, closed room. They shut the door. The likelihood that someone, the guy they were talking about would rudely open the closed door, is not on Lulu. 

Lulu also specifically pointed out to Lois that it was unfair TO Gio as well.

This is on Lois. Lois is the one who has been lying about this. Not Lulu. 

It's Lulu's fault because she was a malicious cow about it. It wasn't her business. She insisted on making it her business even when countless people told her to drop it because it impacted more than she thought. 

It looked like to me the room they were in was a dressing room or a prop room so even with the door closed, during an event like this you can't ensure privacy. This was not the conversation to have in public period. If Lulu needed to be all Tom Cruise and flinging the truth at Jack Nicholson, at least confront her in her home or something like that.

Or here's an idea. If this was always about Dante knowing (because even taking into consideration what Lois did - let's say GIo knew he was adopted - but wanted nothing to do with his birth parents because Carmen and whatever his face WERE his parents, taught him everything he knew and shaped in as a person - Lulu didn't consider that at all and in my mind that's what makes it worse. She didn't think about the third person here). It was all about what about ME and Dante and ME and Brooklyn and ME but never about Gio. (ON EITHER spectrum here). 

She simply could have given the information to BLQ, Dante and say "this is what i found. you two deal with it and left). no. she wanted to be involved in the drama of it all. That's what makes it her fault. 

Time and place. This was not the time, this was not the place.  

[MarciNJ]

9 minutes ago, Daisy said:

It's Lulu's fault because she was a malicious cow about it

yes, this.  Lois and Lulu are both at fault here, for different reasons.  I'll cut BL some slack because she was a teenager who trusted her mother to do what she asked; her only mistake was never telling Dante about the pregnancy when they were older (but really, what would that accomplish?  I'm on the fence about this aspect); BL doesn't know a thing about Gio.  And for Lulu to assume that she does is gross.

[ulkis]

Just now, Cheyanne11 said:

Not the villain, but her hands aren't clean.  At the root of this is her wanting to get back/punish BL.  Whatever blowback she gets will be earned.

I'm sure Dante will be pissed at her but he's already not with her so what can he do, not be with her some more? And she already quit Deception so Tracy can't dump her. Maybe irrelevant Maxie will be mad at her, heh. What would be deliciously soapy if she and Cody had "everyone is pissed at us" sex and Brook Lynn took photos of the afterglow and gave them to Dante.

15 minutes ago, Daisy said:

It's Lulu's fault because she was a malicious cow about it. It wasn't her business. She insisted on making it her business even when countless people told her to drop it because it impacted more than she thought. 

Two people told her to drop it. Laura, and delusional Carly who thinks she was having sex with Jason in 1999. Was Lulu seriously supposed to just not say anything? To anyone? That would take the fortitude of a saint. Lois set this up. If he took a DNA kit before he overheard Lulu he might have smashed those results up as well lol. 

Don't get me wrong I don't think Lulu deserves a prize but sitting and saying nothing would have been bizarre. Tracy certainly didn't take that tack.

[ulkis]

And while I think of Gio as Gio Lawrence that musical performance was ecstasy. 

[Daisy]

7 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

yes, this.  Lois and Lulu are both at fault here, for different reasons.  I'll cut BL some slack because she was a teenager who trusted her mother to do what she asked; her only mistake was never telling Dante about the pregnancy when they were older (but really, what would that accomplish?  I'm on the fence about this aspect); BL doesn't know a thing about Gio.  And for Lulu to assume that she does is gross.

Honestly, (going from what I read here). she had thought of telling Dante if she thought they'd be together. (so mayybeee in her "I'm selfish me me me" phase she was thinking, I'll tell him, we can be together, we can get the kid who is X years old ala Edith Crawley from Downton Abbey  be happy and move on). That didn't happen. 

So she thought okay cool. I still kinda don't want to be a mom, why am I going to toss this into Dante's life (i already tried to ruin his life x2 already - and I don't even know where the kid i so what's the point? why rock the boat). do I personally agree with this. No. DO I understand it from BLQ's POV? Yes. 

And i think it should be something that BLQ/Dante hashed out, decided together if they wanted to know who/where this kid was and decided together if they should find him and decided together if they should tell the kid in their own way what happened. 

Lulu stole that from BLQ and Dante. Why? Because Lulu wanted to screw BLQ  because she couldn't get it through her peabrain BLQ had no clue about the kid she gave up when she was a teenager. so like I said. if this was solely about Dante knowing, Lulu had plenty of other ways to inform him including INFORMING HIM. which she chose not to do. She went Full Carly Maximum Damage on this. 

(this doesn't excuse Lois because this went waaaayyy too far and complicated. but again when Carly is the voice of reason, you kinda have to know that you are not in the right here). 

[rur]

26 minutes ago, Daisy said:

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It looked like to me the room they were in was a dressing room or a prop room so even with the door closed, during an event like this you can't ensure privacy. This was not the conversation to have in public period. If Lulu needed to be all Tom Cruise and flinging the truth at Jack Nicholson, at least confront her in her home or something like that.

It was the dressing room. The wraters actually had enough foresight to have  scene earlier in the show where Lucy was shooing people out, saying they were in the dressing room. So, it definitely would not have been a private space.

Portia and Curtis already had the more secluded spot, I guess, and Lulu just couldn't wait. 

[Auntie Velvet]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:42 AM, dubbel zout said:

LOL. Of course it's Michael. Who else would it be?  Shiloh won't be resurrected from the dead to make a surprise entrance at the Nurses Ball. Alas. That would be so much soapier.

I know I'm not the first to say this, but I think post-prison Drew is Shiloh. That would probably garner a lot of forgiveness towards Willow, since he was a famous manipulator after all. I'm just trying to remember if he had a beef against Sonny the way this version of Drew does?

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Lulu stole that from BLQ and Dante. Why? Because Lulu wanted to screw BLQ  because she couldn't get it through her peabrain BLQ had no clue about the kid she gave up when she was a teenager. so like I said. if this was solely about Dante knowing, Lulu had plenty of other ways to inform him including INFORMING HIM. which she chose not to do. She went Full Carly Maximum Damage on this. 

Whaaaaaat? Brook Lynn had plenty of chances to tell Dante. Her own husband told her to do it several times. And she should have done it for him. The poor guy finds out he's sterile, that his friend/partner knocked up his wife and that he couldn't say a damn thing.

Full Maximum Carly damage would have been announcing it on a bullhorn. 

[nilyank]

2 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I know I'm not the first to say this, but I think post-prison Drew is Shiloh. That would probably garner a lot of forgiveness towards Willow, since he was a famous manipulator after all. I'm just trying to remember if he had a beef against Sonny the way this version of Drew does?

Ugh, no to Shiloh but he had beef with Sam and Jason, not Sonny. Sonny had beef with him because Kristina was in his cult.

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I know I'm not the first to say this, but I think post-prison Drew is Shiloh. That would probably garner a lot of forgiveness towards Willow, since he was a famous manipulator after all. I'm just trying to remember if he had a beef against Sonny the way this version of Drew does?

But why? Drew's a dipshit but he has done nothing worse than Jason or Sonny or Nina or Ava. 

[Auntie Velvet]

On 5/21/2025 at 3:57 PM, YaddaYadda said:

I find it shocking that GH is spending money on clothes.

I was certain Frank had wardrobe find their items in the recycle bin.

It's probably easier to get on-loan clothes for the women that are literally sample sized, like Lulu. 

[Artsda]

44 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Not the villain, but her hands aren't clean.  At the root of this is her wanting to get back/punish BL.  Whatever blowback she gets will be earned.

Then she would have told the truth to Dante in 2 seconds. Which is what she should have done. 

BL had many chances to tell Dante the truth and lied, she then continued to lie and have Lulu lie for her. 

This is many members of Lulu's family. She's no diabolical liar than can keep Dante down the hall from his son or her son down the hall from his brother or Tracy down the hall from her grandson who she also is trying to find but it's not Lulu's business. It's her business. 

That's all disgusting Lois who can do those things. Yeah wasn't it Lois who was all about the truth and needed to run to Sonny to tell him about Nina?  Was that Lois's business? She was all about truth. Where is that now?

Lois's behavior at the hospital is what sent Lulu down the Gio path. Then Lulu couldn't let Dante, her family live with this lie. Lulu was right to tell Lois the truth had to come out.

What she was wrong on was where she chose to have that conversation. 

Edited May 23 by Artsda

[ulkis]

47 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I don't entirely think Lulu is the "bad guy" here. BL was a teenager who confided in her mother, and the one thing Lois did respect her wishes on was not involving Dante. That said, I don't think Girl Reporter was being totally noble either, especially given her own past actions with Dillon. Again, I would have more sympathy for any anger she gets over this if I thought she had any sympathy or empathy for the kid caught up in this situation. She wanted to get back at BL, and now she's done it. I don't think she fully considered what would happen next.

Get back at BL? Did she send her the fang collar outfit? :p

[Auntie Velvet]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

But why? Drew's a dipshit but he has done nothing worse than Jason or Sonny or Nina or Ava. 

Just the million anvils that he's "changed" since prison, plus the ones about medical records that Portia has on her desk, going back to his Jake Doe days. Unless it's just sloppy writing, I don't think their only significance was judging what does of Ketamine would work for him. I think she'll discover some anomaly in them.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Can't add more to what everyone else had to say.

NuNuLooLoo SUCKS. There was no urgency or need at that time and place for Lois to reveal the truth. But then we wouldn't have gotten that trashing of the beautiful violin.

And while I'm not adopted, I am really, really hating that adoption is now being used as TEH Ultimate EVUHL. An option to "throw away one's biological child because the bio parents didn't WANT them!" because clearly, there are no extenuating circumstances. I get Gio's shock at learning Camilla wasn't his biological mother.  But the reactions are always "my own parents didn't want me!"

That said, Drew/Cam constantly folding his hands against his heart, and now, his stomach, continue to drive me batty. He was doing it when talking to Ned. It's got to me his personal choice, right? I mean, really?

And what was that Anna was wearing for the Tango? It looked like a nightie robe or something.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Will beloved uncle Sonny get him a gold or silver new one, do you think?

Only a Stradivarius will do. With golden strings, though.

[nilyank]

3 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

NuNuLooLoo SUCKS. There was no urgency or need at that time and place for Lois to reveal the truth

Because Girl Reporter saw how Lois was looking at Gio during his performance and she knew that she was right and she wanted confirmation that she was right. She wanted the instant gratification that she was right.

She could have waited until after the Nurses Ball but nope it had to be then and there. No one else suspected it including Gio but just as long as Lulu got to be right.

[ulkis]

I can't find the post to quote it now but did someone say that Carly, CARLY is the voice of reason??? The woman who thinks if only Michael's paternity was kept under wraps she would be having sex with Jason??

[nilyank]

5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Only a Stradivarius will do. With golden strings, though.

You know Sonny will get him one. He bought Kristina a youth center and a bar. This would actually be appreciated and used by Gio when he gets it.

[ulkis]

9 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Just the million anvils that he's "changed" since prison, plus the ones about medical records that Portia has on her desk, going back to his Jake Doe days. Unless it's just sloppy writing, I don't think their only significance was judging what does of Ketamine would work for him. I think she'll discover some anomaly in them.

I DUN WAN IT[/JON SNOW]

yes my pop culture references are from 2018 leave me alone.

11 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Can't add more to what everyone else had to say.NuNuLooLoo SUCKS.

She's gonna be Emma's step mom in law! Leave her alone. :p

[JMO]

Kudos to the writers for giving us something with enough layers, controversy and head-banging behaviors to keep the comments going right through to the next episode.  Didn't think they had it in them.  

[ulkis]

27 minutes ago, Daisy said:

(this doesn't excuse Lois because this went waaaayyy too far and complicated. but again when Carly is the voice of reason, you kinda have to know that you are not in the right here). 

Wait wait what? Carly? Reason? She thinks she and Jason were having sex and would be to this day if it weren't for Michael's paternity. 

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Not the villain, but her hands aren't clean.  At the root of this is her wanting to get back/punish BL.  Whatever blowback she gets will be earned.

Dante: GIO AND LULU WHY DIDN'T YOU WASH YOUR HANDS???

Edited May 23 by ulkis

[Daisy]

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I can't find the post to quote it now but did someone say that Carly, CARLY is the voice of reason??? The woman who thinks if only Michael's paternity was kept under wraps she would be having sex with Jason??

that was me. 
from what i remember (reading quotes, I couldn't find the clip - but OTHER than that aspect) - Carly something to the effect that this also inpacted the kid right? (if i'm wrong, I'll totally take it back. trust me, I don't want to give Carly anything more than I have to LOL)

41 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Whaaaaaat? Brook Lynn had plenty of chances to tell Dante. Her own husband told her to do it several times. And she should have done it for him. The poor guy finds out he's sterile, that his friend/partner knocked up his wife and that he couldn't say a damn thing.

 

as I said several times I think personally that BLQ should have. 
but I also see why she didn't. as i said. Lulu (and Chase) and a few people here  just make it sound it should have been. "Hey Dante. we had a kid, don't know where it is, wanna go have lunch."  

now I'm the woman in this situation lol but if it were me (being the guy), I would want to have details. starting with - where's the kid. If its a closed adoption and everything, I'd probably wouldn't bother looking into it after all of this time. (I'd be a crappy soap parent). so basically what i mean about this is - BLQ was dragging her feet. She obviously lacked the courage to find out the information. Lulu had no qualms doing it - to which this is my point - if  this was just about giving Dante the information because he had the right to know - why go after Lois the way she did. she got her visual confirmation.  give Dante AND BLQ the info and have THEM deal with it.

i'm not excusing Lois (though i see her side) and I'm not excusing BLQ (though i see her side).I'm just saying that Lulu could have done this 31 flavours of differently and she 100 percent chose the wrong one. 

[ulkis]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

that was me. 
from what i remember (reading quotes, I couldn't find the clip - but OTHER than that aspect) - Carly something to the effect that this also inpacted the kid right? (if i'm wrong, I'll totally take it back. trust me, I don't want to give Carly anything more than I have to LOL)

as I said several times I think personally that BLQ should have. 
but I also see why she didn't. as i said. Lulu (and Chase) and a few people here  just make it sound it should have been. "Hey Dante. we had a kid, don't know where it is, wanna go have lunch."  

now I'm the woman in this situation lol but if it were me (being the guy), I would want to have details. starting with - where's the kid. If its a closed adoption and everything, I'd probably wouldn't bother looking into it after all of this time. (I'd be a crappy soap parent). so basically what i mean about this is - BLQ was dragging her feet. She obviously lacked the courage to find out the information. Lulu had no qualms doing it - to which this is my point - if  this was just about giving Dante the information because he had the right to know - why go after Lois the way she did. she got her visual confirmation.  give Dante AND BLQ the info and have THEM deal with it.

i'm not excusing Lois (though i see her side) and I'm not excusing BLQ (though i see her side).I'm just saying that Lulu could have done this 31 flavours of differently and she 100 percent chose the wrong one. 

But did she? 100 percent wrong would have been HEY KID YOU WERE ADOPTED. She asked Laura and crazy Carly and Cody.

And I'm one of the few who is a stan of BLQ *and* Lulu. I wanted them to go to pcpd and get Tracy out of prison.

8 hours ago, jsbt said:

Straight to Hell!

You're fine!!! Just like Railyard Hobo Luke!!

[Sheggy50G]

I hate that everyone is blaming Lulu. Imagine if you found out that the man you are in love with (Dante) has a child out in the world. Knowing what they went through with Rocco and Brit...how could she not tell him? She gave Lois time to tell Gio and Dante herself. Unfortunately, Gio overheard. That is not Lulu's fault.

I know if someone I loved had a baby in the world that they didn't know about, I would have a very difficult time not telling them.

Now imagine how Brooklyn is going to feel when she finds out that, contrary to what her mother has been telling her for 20+ years, her child was NOT adopted by strangers. Rather he was kept in "the neighborhood" so that Lois and her mother could keep their eyes on him. What did Lois say? Oh yeah, they just couldn't give him up for adoption so they just kept him.

The fault in all of this lies with Lois and no one else. She has been lying to EVERYONE for 20+ years about Brooklyn and Dante's baby. 

Lois is going to catch grief from everyone. But the one that she has done so horribly wrong is her daughter. She has lied to her again and again and again.

[KerleyQ]

36 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Wait wait what? Carly? Reason? She thinks she and Jason were having sex and would be to this day if it weren't for Michael's paternity. 

All I could think when she was bemoaning her lost opportunity with Jason was how if that had gone down that way, she wouldn't have had Morgan, Joss, or Donna. Does she really want to wish away three of her kids for Borg dick? 

[ulkis]

13 hours ago, DanaMB said:

Lulu is awful. 

Changing my user name to lulukis!

Just now, KerleyQ said:

All I could think when she was bemoaning her lost opportunity with Jason was how if that had gone down that way, she wouldn't have had Morgan, Joss, or Donna. Does she really want to wish away three of her kids for Borg dick? 

Yes lol.

[MarciNJ]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I know I'm not the first to say this, but I think post-prison Drew is Shiloh

I've heard this as well, and while I like the idea, I don't think so.  I don't think Shiloh would care so much about having the Q name; he'd have all kinds of other fucked up priorities but I don't think that would be one of them.

25 minutes ago, Sheggy50G said:

I know if someone I loved had a baby in the world that they didn't know about, I would have a very difficult time not telling them.

yeah, but look how Lulu found out; fruit of the poisoned tree, and all that.  If this were L&O (a much more realistic show), her knowledge of this would be tossed out and nothing could be done based on that knowledge.

Edited May 23 by MarciNJ

[Lugal]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Will beloved uncle Sonny get him a gold or silver new one, do you think?

[Sheggy50G]

20 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

I've heard this as well, and while I like the idea, I don't think so.  I don't think Shiloh would care so much about having the Q name; he'd have all kinds of other fucked up priorities but I don't think that would be one of them.

yeah, but look how Lulu found out; fruit of the poisoned tree, and all that.  If this were L&O (a much more realistic show), her knowledge of this would be tossed out and nothing could be done based on that knowledge.

Yes, how did she find out. She went to Martin's hotel hoping to find out information about Charlotte. While going through Martin's files she found information about LOIS' meeting with Martin. Lois told Martin (trying to protect herself) and Lulu found out. This all goes back to Lois and her lying.

[MarciNJ]

21 minutes ago, Sheggy50G said:

43 minutes ago, MarciNJ said:

Yes, how did she find out. She went to Martin's hotel hoping to find out information about Charlotte. While going through Martin's files she found information about LOIS' meeting with Martin. Lois told Martin (trying to protect herself) and Lulu found out. This all goes back to Lois and her lying.

It originated that way, but the current drama around Gio/BL/Dante comes straight back to Lulu and her breaking and entering.  And snooping.  And inability to mind her own business.

[Melgaypet]

A little late to this, but my thing is: it's possible for more than one person to be wrong at the same time.

Lois is the one most responsible for Gio's life just exploding. She set this whole ridiculous lie in motion.

Lulu isn't the villain in this story, but she's definitely not the hero either. She's been a dog with a bone about this whole thing, and its always seemed clear to me that her motive is not to reveal the truth for Dante's sake or Rocco's sake or even the truth's sake, but to fuck up Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is irritating. But she hasn't done much actual wrong, besides not tell Dante about the baby. And she was a teenager when she got pregnant, she went to her mom. She should have told Dante in the time since, but I can give her some grace, because: a) what would that actually accomplish? and b) keeping a secret for so long gets to be habit and the longer it goes on, the scarier it is to tell. Not right, but understandable.

[tessaray]

22 hours ago, JMO said:

Will Gio move in with his Uncle Sonny the mobster?  I doubt he wants to live with the Qs now. 

This is what Lulu's obsession took from Gio, his home, his security and his sense of self. If she could have just kept her mouth shut for a day, maybe there could have been a softer landing for him. 

BLQ and Chase are going to hate Lulu for this. That's not the kind of soapy aftermath I was hoping for. 

 

22 hours ago, JMO said:

 

Ugh... double post.  Sorry.

Edited May 23 by tessaray

[ciarra]

If Drew were Shiloh, wouldn't he have a flare gun scar, from where Sam shot him in the back? 

[JMO]

21 minutes ago, ciarra said:

If Drew were Shiloh, wouldn't he have a flare gun scar, from where Sam shot him in the back? 

Not if he went to the same clinic as Michael, wherever it was back then.  Maybe that's how he had a contact to bribe when Willow tried to visit her husband.

[PatsyandEddie]

Good soapy ending! 

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Lois is the one most responsible for Gio's life just exploding. She set this whole ridiculous lie in motion.

Yup. Preview for the next show has Brook Lynn sobbing and furious, confronting her mother about what she did.  I'm a little confused about the preview of Emma telling Gio she's going with him. Um, honey, of course you're not staying there - you don't live with Quartermaines.

I'm disappointed there was no confrontation between Gio and anyone or Dante and anyone today. I guess AS got an episode off from playing Brook Lynn?

I will say the smug look on Drew's face being replaced by utter shock when NuMichael walked in, picked up Wiley in front of everyone and then walked out was very satisfying. Same for Willow. 

I liked Ned's line to Chase about Lois, regarding Brook Lynn. 

I'm also shocked that we finally got to see Scout after however many months it's been. I thought the little actresses playing Donna and Scout did well together on stage with the tween Georgie actress and the two boys.

I LOVED the NuLucas and Elizabeth watch party on her couch. I adore their friendship!

Edited May 23 by Bringonthedrama

[driver18]

1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

A little late to this, but my thing is: it's possible for more than one person to be wrong at the same time.

Lois is the one most responsible for Gio's life just exploding. She set this whole ridiculous lie in motion.

Lulu isn't the villain in this story, but she's definitely not the hero either. She's been a dog with a bone about this whole thing, and its always seemed clear to me that her motive is not to reveal the truth for Dante's sake or Rocco's sake or even the truth's sake, but to fuck up Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is irritating. But she hasn't done much actual wrong, besides not tell Dante about the baby. And she was a teenager when she got pregnant, she went to her mom. She should have told Dante in the time since, but I can give her some grace, because: a) what would that actually accomplish? and b) keeping a secret for so long gets to be habit and the longer it goes on, the scarier it is to tell. Not right, but understandable.

Where are we getting that Lulu is doing this to get BLQ? If she did, she would have just blown up her world already. Or actually been doing what Brooklyn and Chase have been accusing her of doing, holding the baby knowledge over BLQ's head. Lulu would have been confronting her. She would have stuck around at Deception, making snide comments that no one but BLQ and Lulu knew. She would have actually been tormenting her.

Instead, Lulu was JUST concerned with the fact that BLQ had been lying to Dante, the man Lulu loved, for 20 years. She was concerned about the fact that, like her, Dante had a child out there he didn't know about.

Any concern about BLQ was based on the fact that she was a lying liar who lies! It was based on the fact that Brooklyn tried to destroy her relationship with Dante, drugged him and nearly raped him. Poopoohed the fact that Lulu was in a coma for 4 years and missed so much of her life with a "move on, we have, pfft!" and nary and apology. 

As for BLQ not doing much actual wrong? What?! She has lied to Dante for 20 years! To his face. Keeping the knowledge of a child from him despite knowing the kind of man he is. Called herself his friend despite lying to him for 20 years. Despite him forgiving her for drugging him and attempting to rape him.

If Lulu truly were basing her actions on wanting to get BLQ, she is more than justified, but could be doing so much more. But she's not. This is based on her concern for Dante, and how this will effect him, and Rocco. Her family.

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I will say the smug look on Drew's face being replaced by utter shock when NuMichael walked in, picked up Wiley in front of everyone and then walked out was very satisfying. Same for Willow. 

This will SO MUCH make up for the fact that there was no surprise Return of Robert!Fucking!Scorpio! Along with Robin!Fucking!Scorpio-Drake!

Whaat? I need whatever small pleasures I can, even though I may have to drop the SLS, if this NuNuRecast improves for the better. I only ever enjoyed him when AJ had returned and they developed a relationship before Ron ruined it when Burton returned and killed him off.

[tessaray]

7 minutes ago, driver18 said:

Instead, Lulu was JUST concerned with the fact that BLQ had been lying to Dante, the man Lulu loved, for 20 years. She was concerned about the fact that, like her, Dante had a child out there he didn't know about.

I am sympathetic to Lulu's concerns but it's been going on for 20 years. She could have taken a day off but she wouldn't. Blowing up a kid's life - that wasn't her decision to make. 

I actually like Lulu but she made a mistake here. Not that there isn't plenty of blame to go around.

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, tessaray said:

I am sympathetic to Lulu's concerns but it's been going on for 20 years. She could have taken a day off but she wouldn't. Blowing up a kid's life - that wasn't her decision to make. 

I actually like Lulu but she made a mistake here. Not that there isn't plenty of blame to go around.

and i'm sorry. 
She's so concerned that Dante didn't know that after she got the proof and everything she didn't take Dante aside and go "look I found this out, I wanted to make sure, I'm sure, here's the info, Go with God."

No. She made it drama. this wasn't all about Dante. sorry. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, driver18 said:

As for BLQ not doing much actual wrong? What?! She has lied to Dante for 20 years! To his face. Keeping the knowledge of a child from him despite knowing the kind of man he is. Called herself his friend despite lying to him for 20 years. Despite him forgiving her for drugging him and attempting to rape him.

So it should have been a teenaged girl's job to tell the guy she had unprotected sex with that she was going to have his baby, and what did he want to do about it? I just want a clear picture of the solution here. Would Dante have been expected to marry BL and they'd raise the baby together, being "the kind of man he is"? That doesn't sound very fair, especially if we bring Lulu into it since she just loves him so much.

Ultimately, BL involved her mother, which is where things spun out of control. I think she trusted Lois when maybe she shouldn't have, but I can understand why since that's her mom and she was a teenager when this happened. That doesn't change that Lulu went charging into the china shop and then was surprised when the dishes broke. What did she think was going to happen?

[JMO]

Wish we'd gotten a Gio scene today, especially since we don't get a new episode on Monday (encore of Lulu's return to PC).  I guess it makes sense, as there were so many different reactions to be processed for the people hearing the news for the first time.  And we only got about half of them.  I appreciated Ned's fatherly concern for Brook Lynn's plight, that Dante and Cody were able to preserve their friendship through the revelation---and that Lulu took Carly's advice to sit down and shut up.  Looking forward to the next episode.

The girls' singing was better than any of the other acts, and if the show hadn't already been packed to the gills, I would have appreciated a little reflection between them on the tragedies they've had in their lives, both alone and together.  The lyrics would have been a nice complement. 

Michael's arrival was appropriately soapy, but maybe a little anticlimactic after Gio.  Hope he remembers that he has a second child.  And yes, it was good to have proof of life for Scout.

I love Liz and Lucas, too.  There's a part of me that wishes, especially if Lucky is going to be MIA so much of the time, that they would both swear off men, bring Wiley back and set up house together.

Considering everything else that happened, I'll bet Portia and Curtis are breathing  a sigh of relief that they managed to get through the full Nurses Ball without their own public blowup.

[Daisy]

2 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

That doesn't change that Lulu went charging into the china shop and then was surprised when the dishes broke. What did she think was going to happen?

 

That Gio would be "Oh cool, thanks Lulu," and then Dante would go "Thanks babe, going to cut BLQ out of my life," and BLQ would go, "rats, i guess you figured it out. shame on me. 

[tessaray]

1 minute ago, Daisy said:

and i'm sorry. 
She's so concerned that Dante didn't know that after she got the proof and everything she didn't take Dante aside and go "look I found this out, I wanted to make sure, I'm sure, here's the info, Go with God."

No. She made it drama. this wasn't all about Dante. sorry. 

Technically she was hounding Lois for that verification. Everything other than the kid existing was mostly  circumstantial. It's open to debate if she should have gone to Dante with suspicions and hunches. 

Like another poster already said, this has turned into an interesting story with murky motivations and blowout that has touched a big part of the canvas.

[Daisy]

6 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Technically she was hounding Lois for that verification. Everything other than the kid existing was mostly  circumstantial. It's open to debate if she should have gone to Dante with suspicions and hunches. 

Like another poster already said, this has turned into an interesting story with murky motivations and blowout that has touched a big part of the canvas.

yeah it's very soapy. I like it. 
still pissed the baby's dante's. stupid Sonny Genes in the Q gene pool :(