Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[pinkandsparkly13]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Thanks to everyone trying to help me (again!), but save yourselves. Until they wear name tags or something when they're in the same scene, Rocco and Danny will be forever one to me.

Yeah it's like "blah blah blah" to me. How dare someone not be able to tell them apart! Lol 🫠😛😱

[boes]

If I saw nothing else other than those scenes today with Jane Elliott, those alone would make me glad I started watching Show again.  She's always good, often great, and today she was perfection.  Wow.

And she elevates everyone lucky enough to share a scene with her.

Now Cam Mat, on the other hand, is nothing but a bundle of tics held together by nervous energy, unblinking eyeballs and stutterbarking that I wish only dogs could hear.

From the sublime to the ridiculous.

Edited May 3 by boes

[ljr]

How old is Vaughn supposed to be? 30? 
Lucy never stops talking about the nurses ball. Remrmber when she was angry Bobbie was going to plan it

Drew was drugged but he still chose to do body shots and go home with that lady. He must have been attracted to her.

[YaddaYadda]

8 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Brooke Lynn is over-reacting but my sympathies are still with her because it is easier for Lulu to drop it than it is for BL. Going by Lulu's interviews with her cousin Lucas and her mother, she doesn't really have a focus for her article [eyeroll on the writing].  It would be easy to swerve to something nothing to do with Brooke Lynn's story and reassure Brooke Lynn that she will keep her secret. Heck, do something on the Sixties Scoop and how both children and parents are dealing with it now.

I think Lulu's interview with Lucas lasted a whole 2 minutes and was about his adoption.

What about Lucas being the adoptive parent and having to give up the child he loved and raised for some two years?

Are there plans to tell Wylie the truth about the first two years of his life? Are there plans to tell him how he was someone else's child for that time?

There is more than one perspective here. There are the people who give their children up for adoption, the adopted children and the parents who adopt them.

Edited May 3 by YaddaYadda

[30 Helens]

15 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Until they wear name tags or something when they're in the same scene, Rocco and Danny will be forever one to me.

Here’s my trick: Danny’s the one who looks like a cabbage patch kid. So I just imagine Sam giving birth in a cabbage patch. Through her jeans. While wearing stilettos.

It took me forever to tell them apart, too.

[YaddaYadda]

Just now, 30 Helens said:

Here’s my trick: Danny’s the one who looks like a cabbage patch kid. So I just imagine Sam giving birth in a cabbage patch. Through her jeans. While wearing stilettos.

Where did Sam give birth? 

I know for Scout it was at the bottom of a bridge. I feel like Danny was born in a cabin, delivered by one of RH's characters, but for the life of me, I just can't remember.

I also feel like looking it up is a colossal waste of time.

[KittenPokerCheater]

Joss as a secret agent is laughable.  I wish to hell they’d move on from this.

[Sake614]

8 hours ago, boes said:

stutterbarking that I wish only dogs could hear.

What do you have against dogs? They don’t deserve to be tortured by that sound!

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

What about Lucas being the adoptive parent and having to give up the child he loved and raised for some two years?

She did ask about that as well.

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Are there plans to tell Wylie the truth about the first two years of his life? Are there plans to tell him how he was someone else's child for that time?

Fairly sure Michael and Willow already told him and he was all ‘yeah? Okay can we have ice cream now?’ Or something like that. He couldn’t have cared less. Probably didn’t even know what they were talking about.

[Bringonthedrama]

11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Brooke Lynn is over-reacting but my sympathies are still with her because it is easier for Lulu to drop it than it is for BL. Going by Lulu's interviews with her cousin Lucas and her mother, she doesn't really have a focus for her article [eyeroll on the writing].  It would be easy to swerve to something nothing to do with Brooke Lynn's story and reassure Brooke Lynn that she will keep her secret. 

But she won't because Lulu doesn't want to let Brook Lynn off the hook. She wants her to suffer.

I guess I missed the scene where she interviewed Lucas. I have sympathy for Brook Lynn, but it only goes so far. She has been hostile toward nuLulu from their first scene, when nuLulu brought up how Brook Lynn tried to break up her and Dante's relationship years ago. Instead of apologizing to Lulu (she never has) for her actions back then, she snapped at her that she moved on from her devious past and that Lulu should too. But has she? While Lulu was in a coma, she let Lulu's daughter believe she was a big sister when she faked a pregnancy and motherhood to try to manipulate Valentin in an attempt to "fix" her bad judgement regarding Q family business. I found that appalling because as a child, there was a period of time where she believed she and Kristina were sisters. Yet she was okay doing that to another young girl, who had been Dante's stepdaughter?

More recently, Brook Lynn gave Tracy/Lulu the evil eye when Lulu came to see Tracy at Christmas. She showed zero empathy toward Lulu when Lulu was upset about Sidwell entering Deception's office and she realized he was the one who held her brother Lucky prisoner. After all that, would you be gentle/kind and reassuring to someone upon realizing that they'd also been lying for decades to the one you love when you know she looks him in the face on a weekly basis because they live in the same home? I'm not sure I would be.

Now Brook Lynn is shrieking in rage over Tracy praising Lulu for the recording of Drew with Jacinda. It's clear that she hates that "Granny" loves both of them. She can't force Tracy to choose between them, so she is trying to make Lulu's best friend choose between their friendships instead. 

Both of these women have some level of obsessive hatred/anger toward each other. I am under the impression that Brook Lynn also wants Lulu to suffer.

9 hours ago, ByaNose said:

 I do have one question. When Brook Lynn was going on and on and on how terrible Lulu was/is and  she’s holding the baby over her head did she mention to Tracy that Dante was the father? I can’t recall. 

No. She said Lulu felt the "baby's father" had a right to know. Selective truth telling.

9 hours ago, boes said:

Now Cam Mat, on the other hand, is nothing but a bundle of tics held together by nervous energy, unblinking eyeballs and stutterbarking that I wish only dogs could hear.

He did the hand-over-heart thing in his conversation with Mac today. It really stood out to me for the first time because I found it weird/creepy that he would make that gesture when talking to a PCPD representative. 

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think Lulu's interview with Lucas lasted a whole 2 minutes and was about his adoption.

Are there plans to tell Wylie the truth about the first two years of his life? Are there plans to tell him how he was someone else's child for that time?

I assumed the interview was off-screen. I guess I missed that scene?

Yes, Willow and Michael told him in a brief scene (at former Kelly's/now Bobbie's) right after he met nuLucas there and introduced himself. Since he's a young child, he basically just shrugged and said okay and went back to what he was doing.

Edited May 3 by Bringonthedrama

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Where did Sam give birth? 

I know for Scout it was at the bottom of a bridge. I feel like Danny was born in a cabin, delivered by one of RH's characters, but for the life of me, I just can't remember.

I also feel like looking it up is a colossal waste of time.

"On June 1, 2012, Sam goes into labor in John McBain's motel room during a torrential storm that prevents her from getting to the hospital. She gives birth to a baby boy, with help from John. John leaves to get Sam's car to take her and the baby to the hospital but is attacked by thugs sent by Jason. Meanwhile, Sam noticed the baby had some breathing complications and when John does not return, Sam tries to find a way to the hospital herself, but after stumbling upon a cabin and placing her baby in an empty flower planter for safekeeping, she passes out and is found by Todd Manning and Heather Webber. Todd is distraught over the death of Téa Delgado's newborn son Victor Lord III and upon hearing crying from outside the cabin, finds Sam's son on the porch. At the same time, Téa stumbles upon the cabin and sees Todd holding Sam's child, falsely assuming that the child is hers and she then proceeds to thank Todd for saving him. Heather convinces Todd to switch Téa's dead son with Sam's."

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Are there plans to tell Wylie the truth about the first two years of his life? Are there plans to tell him how he was someone else's child for that time?

Fairly sure Michael and Willow already told him and he was all ‘yeah? Okay can we have ice cream now?’ Or something like that. He couldn’t have cared less. Probably didn’t even know what they were talking about.

Yeah, he was like 3 years old or something. Nina mentioned Mommy Nelle to him during a visit when she had the nerve to want to see her grandson and was threatening to sue for access, or whatever supremely irritating custody-related thing was happening then.

And then they told him about Lucas, as @Bringonthedrama relates above. He was like 5 or 6 then, so of course ice cream would be more interesting. Frankly, ice cream trumps nearly everything on this show for me, so on that point, Wylie and I are in agreement.

 

[Cheyanne11]

35 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Nina mentioned Mommy Nelle

And Michael, Willow, and Carly acted like she had Wiley sitting in the middle of a pentagram while chanting "hail Satan."  Fun times. 

[YaddaYadda]

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

She did ask about that as well.

Thank you. Must have fallen asleep with my eyes wide open again.

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Fairly sure Michael and Willow already told him and he was all ‘yeah? Okay can we have ice cream now?’ Or something like that. He couldn’t have cared less. Probably didn’t even know what they were talking about.

Of course they told the brightest child ever all about it and he has the perfect grasp on it. I remember when barely able to string letters together to make a word Wylie told Willow she wasn't his mom.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I still don’t understand why BrookLynn and Chase are losing their shit over Lulu writing an article on adoption. Let me preface again that I’m aware she has her own agenda in doing so, but she’s not writing about them, Chase’s fertility issues which is why they are now looking to adopt. Or about BrookLynn’s teenage pregnancy. If she were adding that BrookLynn and Chase’s trying to adopt was a failure, that would be one thing and I could see how that would be painful. But she’s not doing that.

That those college girls actually thought Danny and Rocco were also actually college freshman had me rolling my eyes. Frank and his horde of hacks have no self-awareness AT ALL.

Unless Drew had a urinalysis, the ketamine should not have shown up in his blood test. But, PLOT! And we can’t have this wonderful STAR/CROSSED WUV STORY of the AGES derailed in ANY way! Is the hands to the chest and leaning down Cameron’s choice or a directing instruction? Because he looks ridiculous and comes off as insincere.

Edited May 3 by GHScorpiosRule

[YaddaYadda]

32 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Unless Drew had a urinalysis, the ketamine should not have shown up in his blood test. But, PLOT! And we can’t have this wonderful STAR/CROSSED WUV STORY of the AGES derailed in ANY way! Is the hands to the chest and leaning down Cameron’s choice or a directing instruction? Because he looks ridiculous and comes off as insincere.

The one thing that would make Willow dump Drew is him sleeping with her mom and not saying anything. But the writers refuse to go there for some reason and everyone who knows about it will not say anything.

So we have to sit and suffer through this nonsense of Willow looking at her Svengali with heart eyes.

Willow can whine and cry about losing her children as much as she wants, but she chose him over them when she agreed to go home with.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Willow can whine and cry about losing her children as much as she wants, but she chose him over them when she agreed to go home with.

Hey, now! Drew said he'd fight Michael. That's all the insurance Willow needs.

[ciarra]

I'm sure I've seen these fugly U-shaped candlestick holders before, and I think they were on Sam's mantle. 

 

[YaddaYadda]

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Hey, now! Drew said he'd fight Michael. That's all the insurance Willow needs.

Sorry. My bad. Forgot how Drew sabotaged Willow's meeting with Michael so that he could be her hero.

16 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I'm sure I've seen these fugly U-shaped candlestick holders before, and I think they were on Sam's mantle. 

 

Sam's liver and Sam's candle sticks? What's next? Her fiancé?

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

That those college girls actually thought Danny and Rocco were also actually college freshman had me rolling my eyes. Frank and his horde of hacks have no self-awareness AT ALL

This. I get that some people have baby faces and all. But when you've got two people together who you've never seen on campus, and they both look that young? It would be one thing if it was NuAidan and Rocco or Danny, because then one of them would look old enough, so you'd give a pass to the other guy looking young. But those two together?  When I was in college, I would have pretty quickly guessed they were a couple local high school kids. 

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Is the hands to the chest and leaning down Cameron’s choice or a directing instruction? Because he looks ridiculous and comes off as insincere.

I've been trying to remember if it was something he did on AMC, but I really can't recall.  I don't even remember if he was doing it when he first came on as Drew or if it started after he started turning evil. But it cracked me up when he started doing it while he was standing outside Nina's closed door. 

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

The one thing that would make Willow dump Drew is him sleeping with her mom and not saying anything. But the writers refuse to go there for some reason and everyone who knows about it will not say anything.

I'm fully expecting it to come out at the Nurses' Ball. 

[boes]

17 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I'm sure I've seen these fugly U-shaped candlestick holders before, and I think they were on Sam's mantle. 

 

That's just not right.  WhoLu is alive because of a transplant from Sam and NOW she has her candlesticks, too????

Will the horror never end?  Will she write a story about it?  Will she continue to talk as if she's going to break into tears at the drop of a hat? 

Stay tuned....

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Instill don’t understand why BrookLynn and Chase are losing their shit over Lulu writing an article on adoption. Let me preface again that I’m aware she has her own agenda in doing so, but she’s not writing about them, Chase’s fertility issues which is why they are now looking to adopt. Or about BrookLynn’s teenage pregnancy. If she were adding that BrookLynn and Chase’s trying to adopt was a failure, that would be one thing and I could see how that would be painful. But she’s not doing that.

Is the hands to the chest and leaning down Cameron’s choice or a directing instruction? Because he looks ridiculous and comes off as insincere.

I'm not sure whether it's the writing, or how AS is being directed (could be both), but it seems like Brook Lynn has been on edge about Lulu from the moment she heard that Lulu woke up from the coma. As of late fall 2024, Brook Lynn had a good relationship with Tracy (Lulu's stepmother) a close friendship with Maxie (Lulu's best friend) and was living in the same house as teen crush/stepbrother Dante (Lulu's ex-husband) and Dante and Lulu's son.  So, she knew she was about to lose her comfortable life where Lulu wasn't a factor. Brook Lynn's retconned secret pregnancy was increasingly weighing on her mind since the moment Violet pressured them to have a baby as she went back to live with Finn. Then we got to see Chase's guilt stricken 'I can't get you pregnant/you deserve to experience pregnancy" scene(s) and Brook Lynn felt like shit for lying to him. So, she shared the whole truth of her secret. Chase felt jealous of Dante but then guilty for knowing his best friend has a son that was given up for adoption yet has promised his wife he will keep her secret.  It's like this fresh wound on the surface of their marriage.

Then nuLulu inadvertently found out and confronted Brook Lynn that she had Dante's baby and gave it up for adoption, with Dante completely in the dark about it. Unlike Chase, Lulu had made no vows of love or loyalty to Brook Lynn, and this secret has to do with her own family so she remains undecided about the secret. Since they can't control Lulu, Brook Lynn seems to be obsessively angsting about the baby and her adoption choice now as they consider adoption for themselves.

Then they found out Lulu is working on an article about adoption and reacted with "Lulu needs to back off and stop trying to hurt us" because in their wounded state, they are hyper-focused on Lulu, esp. Brook Lynn's relationships that coincide with Lulu's relationships, and Lulu's choices.  As the saying goes, Lulu lives rent-free in Brook Lynn and Chase's minds. 

I get the impression that the real issue is that Brook Lynn knows her husband isn't comfortable with the secret staying a secret, and Chase wants Dante to find out the truth and then sympathize with Brook Lynn but blast Lulu for a) confronting Brook Lynn about it and b) daring to consider writing an article about a topic that is sensitive to Brook Lynn.  Yet neither of them can control Dante's reaction, whom he might tell, or what actions he could decide to take. 

It's very disappointing to me because I liked the Brook Lynn who was joyfully planning a honeymoon in Italy with her new husband. Now all they care about is talking about babies and hating on Lulu.

 

I wonder the same thing about Cameron's hands over chest/heart gesture because it looked rather ridiculous as he was swearing to Mac Scorpio that he didn't/does not use ketamine. 

Edited May 3 by Bringonthedrama

[YaddaYadda]

44 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I'm fully expecting it to come out at the Nurses' Ball. 

The only thing that might make the whole thing interesting.

[driver18]

55 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I'm not sure whether it's the writing, or how AS is being directed (could be both), but it seems like Brook Lynn has been on edge about Lulu from the moment she heard that Lulu woke up from the coma. As of late fall 2024, Brook Lynn had a good relationship with Tracy (Lulu's stepmother) a close friendship with Maxie (Lulu's best friend) and was living in the same house as teen crush/stepbrother Dante (Lulu's ex-husband) and Dante and Lulu's son.  So, she knew she was about to lose her comfortable life where Lulu wasn't a factor. Brook Lynn's retconned secret pregnancy was increasingly weighing on her mind since the moment Violet pressured them to have a baby as she went back to live with Finn. Then we got to see Chase's guilt stricken 'I can't get you pregnant/you deserve to experience pregnancy" scene(s) and Brook Lynn felt like shit for lying to him. So, she shared the whole truth of her secret. Chase felt jealous of Dante but then guilty for knowing his best friend has a son that was given up for adoption and has promised his wife he will keep her secret.  It's like this fresh wound on the surface of their marriage.

Then nuLulu inadvertently found out and confronted Brook Lynn that she had Dante's baby and gave it up for adoption, with Dante completely in the dark about it. Unlike Chase, Lulu had made no vows of love or loyalty to Brook Lynn, and this secret has to do with her own family so she remains undecided about the secret. Since they can't control Lulu, Brook Lynn seems to be obsessively angsting about the baby and her adoption choice now as they consider adoption for themselves.

Then they found out Lulu is working on an article about adoption and reacted with "Lulu needs to back off and stop trying to hurt us" because in their wounded state, they are hyper-focused on Lulu, esp. Brook Lynn's relationships that coincide with Lulu's relationships, and Lulu's choices.  As the saying goes, Lulu lives rent-free in Brook Lynn and Chase's minds. 

I get the impression that the real issue is that Brook Lynn knows her husband isn't comfortable with the secret staying a secret, and Chase wants Dante to find out the truth and then sympathize with Brook Lynn but blast Lulu for a) confronting Brook Lynn about it and b) daring to consider writing an article about a topic that is sensitive to Brook Lynn.  Yet neither of them can control Dante's reaction, whom he might tell, or what actions he could decide to take. 

It's very disappointing to me because I liked the Brook Lynn who was joyfully planning a honeymoon in Italy with her new husband. Now all they care about is talking about babies and hating on Lulu.

Yes, this, all of this.

And to add some further points about Lulu that I do think have been overlooked.

While it was wrong (and illegal) to break into Martin's room. There were extenuating circumstances at play.

1. Martin is her uncle. While he would be upset, it's highly doubtful he would press charges against his niece.
2. She was looking for information to find Charlotte because she was in danger. Yes, yes, that was all she talked about, but it made sense. Charlotte, her teenage daughter, was on the run with a world-wide fugitive. And the last time Lulu had seen her, there was literally gunfire.

As for the article she's writing, while we may scoff at Lulu, Girl Reporter, that is the job that Lulu had before she went into the coma. It makes sense that she would try and get back into the field in getting her life back to sorts. And that's what she's trying to do, put her life back together. Instead of her miraculously just getting a job handed to her, she reached out with a proposal with a pitch of ideas. Some suggested that she just threw out 2 lame ideas and then the adoption one. That makes zero sense. Lulu is trying to restart her career. She is going to give them three good pitches. The Banner chose the adoption pitch.

What does make sense is why Lulu would consider an adoption pitch, and it has nothing to do with wanting to make Brooklyn suffer, but rather that because of the current situation, adoption is on Lulu's mind and so the idea of the pitch came to her. The adoption pitch as a human interest story built around statistics featuring 2-3 specific stories would be a good one. Which is why she interviewed Lucas, Cody, and Laura who all have different types of adoptive backgrounds; that is how many human interest stories read. And as someone mentioned the idea that an adoption story has nothing to do with Lulu is ludicrous: Her mother was adopted. Her brother, Ethan, was adopted. Her daughter, Charlotte, was adopted the first four years of her life. Lulu has most definitely been affected by adoption.

And, as @Bringonthedrama wrote, Lulu has not been holding anything over Brooklyn's head. She didn't even go to Brooklyn and tell her she was considering the adoption piece. And, again, she didn't pick that one. The Banner did. Brooklyn heard about it from Lucas. And then, Brooklyn, who was *not* minding her own business, stormed over to Lulu's home, barged in and began verbally attacking her. 

What did Lulu do? She opened up to her mother, while still keeping Brooklyn's secret, trying to understand the best way to handle this, trying to figure out what to do. Meanwhile, Brooklyn is out there still accusing Lulu of holding her secret over her head--which she emphatically is not doing--to Chase, to Tracy, and now to Maxie--expecting Maxie to choose between her and Lulu. Meanwhile, Lulu, despite constant pushes from Dante to explain what the hell is going on, is keeping her mouth shut. She is not telling Brooklyn's secret because, as she told Laura, it's not her secret to tell.

How Lulu is still considered in the wrong in this scenario, I truly do not understand. Yes, to start, she was upset and judged Brooklyn, but after Brooklyn explained herself, Lulu understood where she was coming from. Lulu just made it clear that she didn't believe it was fair to Dante. That Dante was a good man, a great father, and that he deserved the truth. That Brooklyn lying to him all these years was wrong, but she agreed not to tell him. And she hasn't.

Edited May 3 by driver18

[Bringonthedrama]

15 minutes ago, driver18 said:

1. Martin is her uncle. While he would be upset, it's highly doubtful he would press charges against his niece.

As for the article she's writing, while we may scoff at Lulu, Girl Reporter, that is the job that Lulu had before she went into the coma. It makes sense that she would try and get back into the field in getting her life back to sorts. And that's what she's trying to do, put her life back together. Instead of her miraculously just getting a job handed to her, she reached out with a proposal with a pitch of ideas. Some suggested that she just threw out 2 lame ideas and then the adoption one. That makes zero sense. Lulu is trying to restart her career. She is going to give them three good pitches. The Banner chose the adoption pitch.

Which is why she interviewed Lucas, Cody, and Laura who all have different types of adoptive backgrounds; that is how many human interest stories read. And as someone mentioned the idea that an adoption story has nothing to do with Lulu is ludicrous: Her mother was adopted. Her brother, Ethan, was adopted. Her daughter, Charlotte, was adopted the first four years of her life. Lulu has most definitely been affected by adoption.

How Lulu is still considered in the wrong in this scenario, I truly do not understand. 

I absolutely agree that Martin would not press charges against Lulu - mostly because he was heartbroken about how Laura and her grandchildren have suffered (years lost with Lulu because their brother Cyrus ordered Julian to place the bomb which resulted in Lulu's coma) and how Lulu suffered, almost losing her life because Cyrus tried to kill her in the coma but damaged her liver instead. He told Laura he should have figured out what Cyrus was up to and looked like he was going to have a breakdown upon hearing Cyrus both murdered Sam and caused Lulu's liver failure.

As someone who used to work in journalism, I totally agree with you.

At least one person posting has responded that Laura was switched at birth, not legally adopted. Regardless, my point was her brother Ethan was adopted and her Aunt Bobbie adopted Lucas as well as the late B.J. Carly was adopted by Virginia and then came into their lives as an adult to meet bio mother Bobbie and her family. 

I feel like we're getting an anvil that this adoption article plot point is going to be used similarly to how Scott used a trial - with Nikolas as his witness on the stand - to dredge up the Luke raped Laura history/ blindside young Lulu about her dad and years later how Ric used a trial - Elizabeth as his witness on the stand -  to alert Lucky that she had cheated on him and baby Jake was likely Jason's son.

From Brook Lynn's perspective, Lulu has been in the wrong since well before the coma. I can still recall that Brook Lynn heard about Lulu dating Dustin after Dante sent her divorce papers. She snarked to Lulu and others present in the Q mansion at the time about (ER's) Lulu giving up on Dante who was the best guy, that she should have torn up the divorce papers, and judged her about having a new boyfriend. I remember because I was like, WTH you tried to break them up before they were married, and now that they are broken up, you're still being awful to her about her love life?

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, boes said:

WhoLu is alive because of a transplant from Sam

Why isn't Girl Reporter writing about that? She has direct experience with organ transplant. She could talk to Isaiah, Maxie, Felicia, Mac, and probably some random day player patient. But somehow, adoption is the more attractive topic....

41 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I absolutely agree that Martin would not press charges against Lulu

Which for me makes it worse that Lulu illegally broke into his hotel room and pawed through confidential papers. Way to take advantage of your family, Lulu.

Edited May 3 by dubbel zout

[YaddaYadda]

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Why isn't Girl Reporter writing about that? She has direct experience with organ transplant. She could talk to Isaiah, Maxie, Felicia, Mac, and probably some random day player patient. But somehow, adoption is the more attractive topic....

Because it wouldn't send Brooklyn into a tizzy over it.

I noticed that it was not even one of the stories that she pitched to that paper.

[JMO]

I don't know.  My gut reaction to the suggestion that Lulu should write about organ transplantation at this point is that it's too soon, and too tender a spot for her to probe.  Especially because of the specifics of her situation, and Sam dying and both of them in love with the same person.  It's for another time.

On the other hand, I completely understand why she offered the topic of adoption as a possibility.  I think it's only natural for a freelance reporter to delve more deeply into a topic that has piqued their interest.  It allows them to satisfy their curiosity and make a living at the same time.

As a frequent constant critic of the writers, I must acknowledge that they have managed to give us a story that still has the comment thread actively growing in the middle of a weekend!  

[RedRockRosie]

3 hours ago, driver18 said:

How Lulu is still considered in the wrong in this scenario, I truly do not understand.

Because NuLu is still Babe to me. 🤷‍♀️

And apparently all things Babe still really annoy the heck outta me.

 

Edited May 4 by RedRockRosie

[Lugal]

6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So we have to sit and suffer through this nonsense of Willow looking at her Svengali with heart eyes.

Just remember Willow's motto: "These aren't the droids I'm looking for"

2 hours ago, JMO said:

My gut reaction to the suggestion that Lulu should write about organ transplantation at this point is that it's too soon, and too tender a spot for her to probe.

Can't be that tender, she flew to Prague not that long after the transplant.  Sorry, I couldn't help it.

[boes]

1 hour ago, RedRockRosie said:

Because NuLu is still Babe to me. 🤷‍♀️

And apparently all things Babe still really annoy the heck outta me.

 

I'm right there with you!  Every time she opens her mouth and starts with that halting, teary voice all I hear is "Babe is love".  Just like Cam Mat will always remind me of douchecanoe Ryan Lavery - though, with him, at least THIS time his Drew character is supposed to be insufferable.

[RedRockRosie]

10 minutes ago, boes said:

I'm right there with you!  Every time she opens her mouth and starts with that halting, teary voice all I hear is "Babe is love".  Just like Cam Mat will always remind me of douchecanoe Ryan Lavery - though, with him, at least THIS time his Drew character is supposed to be insufferable.

 I truly wish I could un-hear "Babe is love" but it just seems to keep rattling around for me too as soon as I hear that voice. (Perfect description btw.)

Yeah...he is still & always will be Ryan Lavery...douchecanoe.

Edited May 4 by RedRockRosie

[ulkis]

Gio when he knows who his parents are:

 

@jsbt

 

Edited May 4 by ulkis

[ulkis]

8 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Why isn't Girl Reporter writing about that? She has direct experience with organ transplant. She could talk to Isaiah, Maxie, Felicia, Mac, and probably some random day player patient. But somehow, adoption is the more attractive topic....

Because organ transplants are slightly depressing and adoption isn't. 

8 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Why isn't Girl Reporter writing about that? She has direct experience with organ transplant. She could talk to Isaiah, Maxie, Felicia, Mac, and probably some random day player patient. But somehow, adoption is the more attractive topic....

Which for me makes it worse that Lulu illegally broke into his hotel room and pawed through confidential papers. Way to take advantage of your family, Lulu.

From the guy who wouldn't turn his serial killer brother until forced into it.

[30 Helens]

My problem with NuLu is she has two modes: coma or obsession. 

After she woke up (and bounced out of bed, fresh as a daisy), all she could think about was Charlotte Charlotte Charlotte (Rocco who?). 

Then Charlotte returned to PC, whereupon NuLu promptly forgot about her. (Where is Charlotte, BTW? Is she still in town? Is anybody watching her?) This freed NuLu to redirect her fixation to Brook Lynn’s teenaged womb. So now we have an endless loop of Dante has a Right to Know Right to Know Right to Know.

And once Dante Knows, what then? What will Girl Reporter obsess over next? I don’t know, but I’m already exhausted thinking about it.

[Bringonthedrama]

4 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Then Charlotte returned to PC, whereupon NuLu promptly forgot about her. (Where is Charlotte, BTW? Is she still in town? Is anybody watching her?) 

She's living with nuLulu (off-screen it seems) in the new house. Danny and Rocco had a scene in the last week where Danny complained that Rocco is constantly with his mom and sister. From how Rocco responded, he still officially lives in the Quartermaine mansion with his Dad and Danny. 

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, ulkis said:

Because organ transplants are slightly depressing and adoption isn't. 

I disagree somewhat, especially as Lulu is focusing on the loss aspect of adoption. IMO, both organ transplants and adoption are gifts.

But ultimately, I hate this story for a panoply of reasons, and the writing isn't doing anyone any sort of service.

[Cheyanne11]

48 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

From how Rocco responded, he still officially lives in the Quartermaine mansion with his Dad and Danny. 

There was a throwaway comment somewhere about Rocco splitting his time between the two houses.

[Melgaypet]

I don't find either Lulu or Brooklyn sympathetic here. Brooklyn is ridiculous and over-the-top with her claims that Lulu is a monster who has been constantly taunting her. But it seems pretty clear to me that Lulu is doing this, in part, to make Brooklyn squirm.

Brooklyn's best move now would be to tell Dante everything. But of course she won't. Hell, Lulu should also tell Dante. Not her secret to tell! you say. (General you.) To which I say, it's not her secret to keep.

If I were writing this, I would've had Lulu found this out another way. Like the paper assigns her the topic of adoption and she finds out while actually doing journalism.

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

IMO, both organ transplants and adoption are gifts.

They're also a tragedy* for the other party.  (*non-live donor in the case of organ transplant)

Lulu hasn't pestered Alexis, yet.  I doubt Alexis would say giving up Sam was a gift.

 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

If I were writing this, I would've had Lulu found this out another way. Like the paper assigns her the topic of adoption and she finds out while actually doing journalism.

I like this so much better than Lulu illegally breaking into Martin's hotel room and rifling through his private papers. For me it removes a lot of the ick factor I have for her part in the story.

ETA:

10 minutes ago, ciarra said:

They're also a tragedy* for the other party.  (*non-live donor in the case of organ transplant)

Lulu hasn't pestered Alexis, yet.  I doubt Alexis would say giving up Sam was a gift.

Of course it's especially tragic for the organ donor and their family. 

And of course on a soap the story will be as dramatic as possible, though this is pathetic compared to BJ's heart going to Maxie.

There's a lack of delicacy and nuance that really bothers me. Everyone is just stomping through the story.

Edited May 4 by dubbel zout

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Lulu hasn't pestered Alexis, yet.  I doubt Alexis would say giving up Sam was a gift.

Maybe not pester, but she did go to Alexis, who put her off for the time being as she was headed to Drew’s to get Scout’s stuff in light of his night of drunkenness going viral.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

Not her secret to tell! you say. (General you.) To which I say, it's not her secret to keep.

Given the way Lulu found out the secret, I'd say it is her secret to keep. Had BL told her, that's different.

(This story pushes a lot of buttons I didn't know I had.)

Edited May 4 by dubbel zout

[statsgirl]

On 5/3/2025 at 12:39 AM, ciarra said:

Is this all they have for Isaiah to do?  Run a basic blood test?

I guess there are only so many transplants that GH can do. Although come to think of it, it should be a lab tech taking the blood, not a transplant specialist.

And while we're talking of that, Brad, the lab tech should ot have been able to get access to ketamine since he's not allowed access to the narcotics cabinet. Although Portia has.

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

it should be a lab tech taking the blood, not a transplant specialist.

But Willow had specifically asked Isaiah to run it. Though why she would ask him as if they were friends is beyond me. But this is FAKAKTA GH, after all.

10 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

And while we're talking of that, Brad, the lab tech should ot have been able to get access to ketamine since he's not allowed access to the narcotics cabinet. Although Portia has.

Simple answer: PLOT. 

[driver18]

I really dont understand why so many found it so annoying that Lulu was fixated on saving her daughter. Charlotte was on the run with Valentin who was literally a worldwide fugitive with law enforcement agencies AND criminal organizations all over the world out to capture or kill him. It would have made zero sense had she not been obsessed with that. 

The reason she broke into Martin's room is because she knew it in her gut that he was lying. He was cagey when she asked him about Valentine. And the last time she saw Charlotte with Valentine, they were literally shot at. Again, of course, she was going to take drastic measures. Charlotte's life was literally in danger.

Also, sure they were throwaway lines, but we were told often enough that she was spending time with Rocco. Just as we get throwaway lines now that she's spending time with Rocco and Charlotte. We just don't see the scenes.

As far as being obsessed with Brooklyn's adoption, no, she's not. Yes, she's thinking about it a lot but it's because of the story she's writing. Again, the story that THE BANNER CHOSE. Lulu pitched them 3 ideas. They chose the adoption story. Had they chose another one, she'd be focused on that. 

I didn't watch AMC when AH was on it so I have no preconceived hate towards her cuz of Babe. I dunno, maybe that's why I have no problem with Lulu. OTOH, I loathe Brooklyn with the heat of a million fiery stars and I'm giving her zero grace at this point.

Edited May 4 by driver18

[nilyank]

49 minutes ago, driver18 said:

The reason she broke into Martin's room is because she knew he was lying. He was cagey when she asked him about Valentine. And the last time she saw Charlotte with Valentine, they were literally shot at. Again, of course, she was going to take drastic measures. Charlotte's life was literally in danger.

 

Was he lying? Because I don't think she found any evidence about Valentin and Charlotte when she stumbled on the information about Brooklyn and the adoption.

Girl Reporter doesn't have any investigative skills.

51 minutes ago, driver18 said:

As far as being obsessed with Brooklyn's adoption, no, she's not. Yes, she's thinking about it a lot but it's because of the story she's writing.

What does having a file on her computer with the details of Brooklyn and the adoption have anything to do with her story? Like most of her history as a Girl Reporter, she is not very good at it and her big scoops always were about her family and friends.

By putting that file on her computer, she is keeping the information at hand because she is still thinking about using that information someday. In fact, since Dante has been around her place a bit helping out with repairs and stuff, I think he may stumble upon that piece of information accidentally.

[driver18]

39 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Was he lying? Because I don't think she found any evidence about Valentin and Charlotte when she stumbled on the information about Brooklyn and the adoption.

Girl Reporter doesn't have any investigative skills.

What does having a file on her computer with the details of Brooklyn and the adoption have anything to do with her story? Like most of her history as a Girl Reporter, she is not very good at it and her big scoops always were about her family and friends.

By putting that file on her computer, she is keeping the information at hand because she is still thinking about using that information someday. In fact, since Dante has been around her place a bit helping out with repairs and stuff, I think he may stumble upon that piece of information accidentally.

She knew he was lying in that she "knew" as in she believed it with her gut--and she was right about that. Martin did know something.

She has the notes on her computer because she made copies w/her phone and it was likely transferred. And now it's on her mind, because as she's writing this adoption story--which again, the Banner picked--she is thinking about it. It's hard not to think about it. She has that information "on hand" because she's thinking about it. It's gnawing at her, but we have seen her looking at it once. It's not like we're seeing her constantly pulling it up, working on this, obsessing over it. But to look at it, think on it, makes sense. This is a pretty dang big deal.

Lulu found out info she shouldn't have, sure, but she's respected Brooklyn's wishes. She is not the person who lied to Dante for 20 years. That's Brooklyn. She's not the person who lied to Brooklyn for 20 years. That's Lois (and Gloria). She's not holding this over Brooklyn's head. That's Brooklyn's delusional paranoia. She's not the one who used her power of authority to threaten someone. That's Chase.

Edited May 4 by driver18

[Sake614]

Lulu never would have come up with the adoption angle if not for the files she found in Martin’s locked briefcase. In his locked room that she stole a key card to enter. And then made copies of files that had absolutely nothing to do with why she went there in the first place. 

[Melgaypet]

Gio should be more active in this story. Hear me out! I can't say I'm any more eager to spend more time with this generally inoffensive but unnecessary and bland 20-something than any of you. But on a basic, storytelling, narrative level? Gio should be driving more of this.

Maybe he hears something from Rocco about his (Rocco's) mom's mad Girl Reporter skillz and he goes to her to help him look into finding his birth parents and things go on from there.

Okay, that's pretty weak, but I made it up as I was typing it and I still don't find it as weak as Lulu finding out about this secret while illegally riffling through her uncle's legal files on a completely unrelated errand.