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NOW Portia remembers HIPAA and that she can't tell Trina anything? Which actually isn't true, she can give Trina her opinion of the medical procedure, just how what she's going to tell Kai.

Trina's a beautiful young woman but her shirt does her no favours. It wouldn't do anyone any.

In the juxtapostion of their scenes, it occurred to me that just as Drew is manipulating Willow (telling her what she wants to hear, steering her in a specific direction), so too is Brennan manipulating Carly.

Drew and Willow are idiots if they think that Drew is going to have custody of Wylie and Amelia if anything happens to Willow when they have a father and two grandmothers there to take them.

Just how does Sonny think that he's going to keep the city from expropriating the pier if they vote for it? He and Carly deserve each other.

On 4/11/2025 at 7:05 PM, rur said:

I was wondering about that, too, since it's the middle or last month of a term, and being a RA is a paid position that grad students compete to get, but undergrad Joss will just become the new assistant? I guess the writers have never gone to college.

This super secret mission could have been slightly more believable if she had been told to enroll in the class next term . . . 

True about enrolling in the class next term. But then they couldn't write a conflict with Emma.

Being an RA used to be for grad students but in the better universities (which PCU supposedly is) competition is so fierce that an undergrad looking to get into grad school will need to take on unpaid internships for recommendations and the research experience.

On 4/12/2025 at 8:25 PM, KittyQ said:

Hilarious that Carly seems to think that she has the ammunition to keep Willow from ever seeing her kids again once Michael gets back. Compared to the many, many, many bad acts that she, Michael, and Sonny have done and haven't had to give up any of their kids, a little thing like stepping out on your husband with his uncle shouldn't make any difference.

Carly thinks that she can keep the kids from Willow because it's worker for her in the past. The bad writing has taught here that she never has to face consequences for what she does wrong.

20 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I think being a danger to oneself or others is a reason to involuntarily commit someone IRL, and Diane and Alexis did discuss that.

Here it is grounds for a 72 hour hold for an assessment. But realistically, Kristina isn't so far gone that they would keep her locked up. She knows that what she did was wrong.

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All of this tiptoeing around people who are fragile snowflakes and can't be upset is so aggravating. 

LOL that Carly says Willow cares only about herself and what she wants. Again, how does lightning not strike Carly on an hourly basis? And also LOL that Willow suddenly sees Carly for who she is now that Carly's bile is aimed at her. As if watching that anger aimed elsewhere shouldn't have told Willow who Carly really is. What an idiot.

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Laura's public speaking advice to Rocco was so much more useful than Sonny's banal platitude: "Believe in yourself and people will believe in you." Not really, you simpleton.

If Willow had any brains, she'd be concerned that Drew already had guardianship papers drawn up without talking to her about it first. But she has no brains, so...

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55 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

If Willow had any brains, she'd be concerned that Drew already had guardianship papers drawn up without talking to her about it first. But she has no brains, so...

If this was a real show, it would be revealed Drew wants these papers signed so he can kill Willow and somehow gain access to the kids' trusts.  

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24 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Just how does Sonny think that he's going to keep the city from expropriating the pier if they vote for it? He and Carly deserve each other.

I mean he could tie up the city in court for years especially as the original location was going to cost the city less money to build there because it already had the infrastructure and public transportation. It was only because Drew wanted to strike back at Sonny and Jason that he suggested the new location by the piers where Sonny has his warehouse where there is no infrastructure/public transportation.

It is going to cost more regardless if Sonny sue the city. And the city would still have to pay Sonny for the actual value of his property.

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

OL that Carly says Willow cares only about herself and what she wants. Again, how does lightning not strike Carly on an hourly basis? And also LOL that Willow suddenly sees Carly for who she is now that Carly's bile is aimed at her. As if watching that anger aimed elsewhere shouldn't have told Willow who Carly really is. What an idiot.

i've been saying this. all the time. 
Like. remember when everyone was treating Nina like poo on the shoe? that's how carly is. 


Im just trying to figure out how Drew can be claimed legal guardian if anything happens to Willow....and Michael isn't dead. Like there are several layers of people before they get to Drew right?

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So...I think Drew is actually Shiloh.

  • t's no mistake that Sasha said that Willow went from Dawn of Day to Dawn of Drew.
  • I think Portia having Brad look into Drew's medical files is going to show us that this dude is not Drew. Brad is going to find something.
  • Portia saying that she was surprised that Drew knew about this procedure he is suggesting for Kai is because, somehow, Shiloh will have lived but needed the procedure so that he could walk again. I don't know why he wants to help Kai other than to increase his "what a wonderful guy" image.
  • I think Drew is somewhere else and Shiloh took over when Drew was in prison.
  • His target was and always will be Willow. He wants those kids because he thinks that if they are Willow's kids, they are his.

Just my thoughts.

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2 minutes ago, Daisy said:

m just trying to figure out how Drew can be claimed legal guardian if anything happens to Willow....and Michael isn't dead. Like there are several layers of people before they get to Drew right?

I haven't watched yet, but apparently Drew had the papers drawn up and I'm assuming his pitch to Willow is "with Michael currently incapacitated we have to 'protect the kids from the Q's'" and Willow is so lobotomized that she'll just nod along.

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6 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Im just trying to figure out how Drew can be claimed legal guardian if anything happens to Willow....and Michael isn't dead. Like there are several layers of people before they get to Drew right?

He can't. He keeps telling Willow that he has the power to make sure that Willow keeps custody of the kids. It's all for show. He drew up the papers to show her that he could protect the "kids" if something happens to her. 

And of course there are no warning bells for Willow as to why he drew up these papers without talking to her first (e.g. like buying the house for them both) or at least having any of the 12 lawyers in town reading it over before she signs any legal documents.

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2 hours ago, JMO said:

So, Willow is unilaterally signing legal papers to make Drew the kids' guardian in the event she is incapacitated or dies?  Seems like there's a Michael-sized hole in that idea, and I can't imagine there's any chance the papers would hold up in court.  But they could bode ill for Willow's well-being, which would be fine by me.

There was something unbelievable creepy about Drew having drawn up documents to take over the lives of Willow's children and her just nodding and signing the papers. Yes, it was a brilliant idea, Drew!!!

He was getting rid of Nina for this. 

Willow didn't read anything, she just signed like the absolutely dumb fuck, cult moron that she is.

I hope Alexis finds out that Drew is giving away her granddaughter.

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34 minutes ago, Sheggy50G said:

So...I think Drew is actually Shiloh.

I fear this might be true, and once again, I despair at the laziness of the writers.

If Drew isn't Shiloh, he isn't going to be yet another new character. He'll be Franco in his pre–brain tumor serial killer guise. 

Either way, ugh.

23 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I hope Alexis finds out that Drew is giving away her granddaughter.

The bigger issue is if she decides to do something about it. She's already partially caved on committing Kristina (not that that was a surprise).

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GH is the Mad Libs of soaps. Its like they have a book of worn out soap plots (secret family member! back from the dead! coverup! murder! blackmail!), and they just randomly write character's names in. It's all so random. At this point, I don't understand the motivations of half the people for their lying, crimes, relationships, or extreme emotions about everything!

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1 hour ago, Sheggy50G said:

So...I think Drew is actually Shiloh.

  • t's no mistake that Sasha said that Willow went from Dawn of Day to Dawn of Drew.
  • I think Portia having Brad look into Drew's medical files is going to show us that this dude is not Drew. Brad is going to find something.
  • Portia saying that she was surprised that Drew knew about this procedure he is suggesting for Kai is because, somehow, Shiloh will have lived but needed the procedure so that he could walk again. I don't know why he wants to help Kai other than to increase his "what a wonderful guy" image.
  • I think Drew is somewhere else and Shiloh took over when Drew was in prison.
  • His target was and always will be Willow. He wants those kids because he thinks that if they are Willow's kids, they are his.

Just my thoughts.

Given what the show has done before, this sounds very plausible.  And I hate that we find out years later that people aren't who we've been told they are, have simply moved into someone else's life,  and/or have other people's memories.  I have enough trouble remembering who is related to whom, and how.  I don't need to have to keep track of who would remember what, and whether the new memories created during their fake life will be incorporated or not into the next memory transfer.  I don't want to have to explain why all of the other characters thought they looked exactly like the person they're impersonating, whose memories they may or may not have, and not like the completely different person that I see with my own eyes.  

It's just lazy, and as @TVbitch said, it feels like they're playing Mad Libs.  It makes me not want to be invested in any of the characters, nor any of the storylines.  And I realize I'm ranting on something that hasn't happened yet.  But it's happened before, and it feels like it's about to happen again.

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I think so too, and I blame the Reddit sub.  That's where I first saw this Shiloh idea being suggested and it was like a year ago.  I definitely believe the writers read the message boards and Reddit and do get ideas.  I'm so annoyed.  I don't want this, I hated Shiloh, and just btw, this would mean we watched three women being raped.  Carly, Nina, and now Willow.  I mean, this would actually be sick.  

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3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

If this was a real show, it would be revealed Drew wants these papers signed so he can kill Willow and somehow gain access to the kids' trusts.  

Today was the first time I actually thought Drew was playing Willow and was plotting to kill her, to gain control of the kids. 

I don't think the show would go the Shiloh route ... That would mean Willow was seduced by her rapist. 

But maybe post- prison angry Drew decided to play the long con and getting control of all the next gen Qs is his way of wresting control of ELQ from everyone. ( I mean, no one thinks Valentin is gonna run the company from prison)

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36 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

Today was the first time I actually thought Drew was playing Willow and was plotting to kill her, to gain control of the kids. 

 

 

Let's see. let's assume that Willow has some trust now because of Nina. that's her money. do the kids even have Quatermaine stock? (like the more they divide it the more it's akin to being the prize in the cracker jack box). but anyway. let's assume they do and that's what? 10 percent? +Scouts 10 percent. + the fact he's Proxy to every Q they can't be bothered to have show up for meetings. so that would give him massive control - even when you consider

Monica's seven percent
Jason's x percent. 
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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I fear this might be true, and once again, I despair at the laziness of the writers.

If Drew isn't Shiloh, he isn't going to be yet another new character. He'll be Franco in his pre–brain tumor serial killer guise. 

Either way, ugh.

Franco was where my mind went, too. And that would make some kind of sense (well, GH sense, anyway), with the Franco/Drew/Jason memories being some kind of weird mixed up stew. 

I'm going to hate if he's Shiloh.  First, because they killed Sam off too soon if that's the story they're doing. I'm not a huge Sam fan, but she should get to have a reaction to the fact that, not only did she not really kill him, but he has had access to her daughter for a few years now. Second, because we all know that, despite the fact that Willow would be a rape victim then (because she would not have let Shiloh within 100 yards of her, let alone consent to have sex with him), we'll most likely see people shaming her for being with him, along with a side of Carly throwing down some 'that's what you get" bullshit. I also feel like they'd make things so that Drew and Shiloh switched places at some point after he last slept with Carly, so that she doesn't have to deal with any of that fallout. It will just be Willow and Nina and the whole town will be all "how could you fall for that?"  (I'm basing this theory on Carly having said something about how Drew isn't the same man he was when he was with her.) 

Overall, it would be one of the more disgusting things a soap has done to a woman - have her happily enter into a relationship with a man who is secretly the man who has already raped her in the past. And it's going to feel like some kind of icky punishment for daring to stray from Michael. 

If it is Shiloh, though, I'm going to call it right now - Willow will kill him, and Nina will take the blame and go to prison for her. And then somehow, the real Drew will be found. 

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Nina should have told her daughter that she did do something wrong.  She cheated on her husband with his uncle. 

I also think Nina is wrong, Willow is mentally unwell just different than Nelle. 

Ric knew Ava messed up giving Alexis time. 

Alexis sign the papers. 

How is Drew in charge of the kids if anything happens to Willow when her kids  have a father. 

Jack sure knows Drews MO. While he speak there they sign the papers. 

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"I didn't do anything...wrong." says Willow.

Well, some would say cheating on your husband with his uncle could be considered wrong; kissing him in a romantic way could be considered wrong.

But that's just me.

And excuse me, but no one forced you to marry the SLS. That was the idea that Diane put into your soft-headed brain, as if you all were living in the 1950s. You were already in a good, committed relationship with Chase; Sasha's con woman past would have been used against the SLS to gain control of Wiley. So you decided you would marry his ass. And then marry his ass AGAIN the second time after you cheated on Chase when he was your husband.

So just STAHP.

Show has been telling us for months that Ava is now flat broke, to the point where she has to now live in a "shudder" apartment. Because the Cassadine Estate took back the money she got from Nik in their divorce. All her credit cards are frozen.

So please, Show, explain to me, where Ava got the money to bribe the tow truck dude? Because I'm sure $20 or even $100 wouldn't have been enough for him to lie and keep his trap shut.

Well, Alexis disappointed me. Guess she's willing to risk Kristina's ass getting arrested.

That Molly or Alexis can't see that Kristina can't even look at Molly in the eyes when talking to her is mind boggling. But whatever. She's Mooby's spawn, so nothing will happen to her, more's the pity.

 

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Was Willow ever a compelling character?   In the time I've been watching, all I've seen is a humorless, self-satisfied person who seems to celebrate her life by constantly proclaiming she's a MOTHER and LOVES Drew.  Other than her natural decibel level being lower, she's pretty much the same as Carly.

 And that ain't no compliment.

I would expect her to be seeking out an orthopedic specialist because her shoulder must ache from how constantly she pats herself on her back.

I wouldn't blame any semi-sentient being for cheating on SLS, but anyone who DID cheat and chose Drew, well........ any romantic scenes with that mistake of nature should automatically come with the Looney Tunes musak.  

THIS is what Show considers Must-See TV??

 

 

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34 minutes ago, boes said:

THIS is what Show considers Must-See TV??

Just wait until professor cow tipper shows up and both joss and Emma compete for his RA. Then when Joss gets it, we can all look forward to whatever her assignment is supposed to be. Surely special agent Jacks will foil whatever nefarious plot he’s involved with and save the good citizens of Port Charles.  After which she’ll be given the congressional Medal of Honor and usurp Drew as the next congressperson for PC en route to becoming the youngest president in history! 

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1 hour ago, boes said:

I would expect her to be seeking out an orthopedic specialist because her should must ache from how constantly she pats herself on her back.

I actually wouldn't say that.  I think she's riddled with self-doubt and that's why she gravitates towards these men who will constantly validate her and assure her she's the best/the brightest/the bravest/etc.  

Also, the absolute hilarity of her now realizing Carly is a monster.  Big "I never thought the leopard would eat MY face cries woman who voted for the Leopard Eating People's Faces person" vibes.

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How long was Elizabeth in the hospital? LOL at her enthusiastic welcome home party. I mean, it's sweet, but not really necessary. There's no way she'd need an RN as a home aide, but I guess the show wants to throw Risa Dorken some time.

Ugh, I smell a coverup on Rick and Elizabeth's accident, and all because poor fragile Kristina will break and not be able to be repaired.

Blackmailing is such a boring soap plot. While I'm enjoying watching Alexis squirm, the reasons she's paying Ava are gross.

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Alexis is not a dumb character.

No good will come from caving into Ava's blackmail. Ava has already shown that she will ask for more than the divorce settlement and she has no motivation to stop increasing her demands. Also if Alexis doesn't confront Kristina with her behavior, there is no guarantee that Kristina has learned her lesson and woill be able to control her emotions when she gets near Ava.

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I don't know how she does it, but MW manages to make Ava sympathetic and manipulatingly evil at the same time.  That's talent.

No, Lulu, your brother should not attend to the personal hygiene of the woman he is trying to woo.  

I'm finding both Gio and Emma more likeable, and the actors demonstrating more range, each time they're on screen.  The inevitable revelation will be emotional across the board, but I think I'm looking forward to Gio's reaction the most.

It occurred to me that, just as Anna suspected when Emma first arrived to Port Charles, Brennan may have recruited her as well as Joss, and he may have done so before she arrived to Port Charles.  Could we have two budding female superspies, each unknown to the other?  It would raise the WSB's chances of success in whatever they want to do with the physics professor.

I don't really care whether Kai has the surgery or not.  But I do like Trina, so I wish they would get her out of this story.

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13 minutes ago, JMO said:

Could we have two budding female superspies, each unknown to the other?

If we do, Joss will get the upper hand. Carlys never lose.

13 minutes ago, JMO said:

I don't really care whether Kai has the surgery or not.  But I do like Trina, so I wish they would get her out of this story.

We need to know what Drew's angle is here. What can Kai do for him? Throw a game if the surgery is a success and Kai is back on the team? I don't see why Drew would care about some college kid. Maybe he'll have Drew go to DC and do all of his Congress work, LOL.

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Is all day care a benefit at GH, cuz no way is Liz's insurance paying for 8 hours of professional nursing every day.

Environmental physics professor is cute, and didn't give Joss the time of day. For these reasons, I hope it turns out he's actually a good guy. The last fooking thing this show needs is yet another villain. I hope he's doing altruistic work that the WSB wants to use for nefarious purposes. Maybe Joss and Emma can team up to "do the right thing" and save him.  

Last episode I got the impression that Jack was working Carly, building her up and coaching her on how she needs to go at Drew ~but I'm not sure why or what he wants from her.

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1 hour ago, JMO said:

I don't know how she does it, but MW manages to make Ava sympathetic and manipulatingly evil at the same time.  That's talent.

Couldn’t agree more! And it’s why I will always be an Ava fan as long as MW plays the role. Yes, Ava does questionable, even evil things at times. But she’s not one dimensional. She’s not written as being always heroic and virtuous on one hand or just villainous. There are many shades of gray to the character that MW is able to play beautifully. Writing this is making me wonder if the writers realize the limitations of some of the actors (I think you know who I mean!) doesn’t allow for them to be able to deliver performances with this kind of nuance.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

We need to know what Drew's angle is here. What can Kai do for him? Throw a game if the surgery is a success and Kai is back on the team? I don't see why Drew would care about some college kid. Maybe he'll have Drew go to DC and do all of his Congress work, LOL.

This is what I can't figure out. Why is he so invested in this?  They don't need to give us all the details up front, but give us a little hint at why he's taking such an interest in Kai. 

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Is all day care a benefit at GH, cuz no way is Liz's insurance paying for 8 hours of professional nursing every day.

I'd find that more believable than when nurse Liz and cop Lucky had shitty insurance years ago.  The best insurance coverage I've ever had was when I was in HS and college, and my mom worked at a hospital. 

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I know Ava blackmailing Alexis is wrong, but I'm totes with her, and those side-eyes, sighs of frustration, forbearance, and annoyance from Alexis, she can just stawp! Her daughter intended to MURDER Ava. And in such a way that could have caused the death of other individuals including passengers in the car with Ava, like Kristina's younger sister, or pedestrians, or other drivers. It could have caused property damage, fires, oil spills, environmental damage, etc. 

Instead, Kristina *just* almost murdered her sister's father, and his passenger. And he, fortunately, took a backroad to avoid traffic. Had he not done so, there's a possibility more injuries and/or bodies would be added to Kristina's scorecard.

And this all happened in part because, no, Alexis is NOT a good mother, Diane. She coddles Kristina to an absurd degree to the point that Kristina has lost her grasp on reality. And due to her current state, she believed that MURDER was a reasonable, viable option to sate her delusion.

Upon finding out just how far gone Kristina is, Alexis' reaction is not to course correct at all... nope. She still wants to save her. Then after a few hours of seeing Kristina happy with her sister, she focuses only on the 'happy with her sister' part, ignoring the bright-neon glaring lack of guilt her psycho daughter is clearly not feeling.

What does Alexis decide to do? She doubles down on coddle-town and continues to treat with disdain the woman her psychotic daughter has impugned for months, and attempted to murder.

So, blackmail away, Ava... make Alexis squirm and squirm, squirm, squirm!!!! I am on your side 100%.

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2 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

This is what I can't figure out. Why is he so invested in this?  They don't need to give us all the details up front, but give us a little hint at why he's taking such an interest in Kai. 

Maybe Drew wants to buy a football team and he thinks he can get Kai as his future quarterback for dirt cheap. I dunno.

 

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9 hours ago, JMO said:

I'm finding both Gio and Emma more likeable, and the actors demonstrating more range, each time they're on screen.  The inevitable revelation will be emotional across the board, but I think I'm looking forward to Gio's reaction the most.

Completely agree with this.  I keep wondering how the truth about Gio will come out.  I can only think it will be one of those "classic" overheard conversations.  After seeing Gio and Brooklyn so happy today, I can't wait.

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15 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

We need to know what Drew's angle is here. What can Kai do for him? Throw a game if the surgery is a success and Kai is back on the team? I don't see why Drew would care about some college kid. Maybe he'll have Drew go to DC and do all of his Congress work, LOL.

If Drew is Shiloh like it has been speculated, who better than a popular athlete to bring in new cult members? He fixes Kai's whatever, Kai is grateful, Kai comes around with his friends, Drew brainwashes the friends. He rebuilds his flock, gets more girls to rape.

I can live with this being Shiloh. Let the real Drew rest in peace untainted by this abomination of a character. But the absolute creepiest thing is if this is Shiloh, then he's got Sam's daughter.

Isn't the house he lives in the former Dawn of Days house? 

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25 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

I'm thinking Joss uses WSB contacts to get Emma"s sealed criminal file and reveals the info to push Emma out of the running for the job. Joss gets grief for a bit until her mission reveals the prof is an evil doer and everyone has to kiss Joss's ass, even Emma, because Carlys Nevah lose!

I have a feeling that if Joss does reveal Emma's file, she'll do it on the sly and only the WSB knows. Even if she does find out the professor is a bad guy, it will be revealed in a way that doesn't reveal Joss' part in it. She clearly has to keep her being a WSB spy a secret, at least for now

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What, is Elizabeth a child? Or like the boy in the plastic bubble, that she needs a humidifier, foods that are "anti-inflammatory" causing (that's a new one for me), and that she has scheduled naps?

Is Amy a nurse Rachet, or a nutritionist, or just a moron?

GTFOH with this nonsense and stupidity.🤬

I had nurse care after my reconstructive surgery, but they came once a day, to help with my drainage thingies and redoing my bandages-all covered by insurance.

Hey, let's just reset everything with a disclaimer that Show doesn't give any bluedilly fucks about even showing a sliver of believability about how law and hospitals work, mmmkay? It would save me from my constant head banging.

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Like Alexis' utter delusion about Kristina The Deranged One. Just give up your law license this time before it's taken away. Again. I'm hoping Ric will somehow let Molly know the truth.

While I had no use for the character when he was on Young and the Restless (yes, I watched for a hot minute when BOTH Tristan and Genie were there, but it was a disaster and my love wasn't enough to remain), I'll enjoy him for the slight Aussie accent I heard yesterday.

But...is he in cahoots with Not!Brennan? Because I swear, as Emma left yesterday, he was in the corner, and it looked like he was smirking as he looked toward Mini-Cujo.

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But...is he in cahoots with Not!Brennan? Because I swear, as Emma left yesterday, he was in the corner, and it looked like he was smirking as he looked toward Mini-Cujo.

Yeah how creepy it was for the professor to track down one of his students just to tell her how great she is and she apply to be his research assistant. The were not at PCU or even a restaurant close to PCU.

Alarm bells anyone?

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21 hours ago, nilyank said:

Alexis is not a dumb character.

No good will come from caving into Ava's blackmail.

THIS. No good ever comes from giving into a Blackmailer, as Natasha should know. Seems like she forgets her Cassidine heritage - when Ava brought that ish to her, the correct response should have been - "Bitch, I'm Mikkos Cassidine's Daughter - you know, the Dude that tried to freeze the entire world? Just imagine all the creative ways I'm going to make you suffer."

Stefan, Mikkos, Stavros and Victor would all be doing cartwheels in Hell. Luke would have a Gin and Tonic in her honor.

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