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On 1/24/2025 at 5:23 AM, sacrebleu said:

Boo to Laura for bailing on Ava, now that she's not horrified by Sonny's criming. ( This week)

Yeah that was shitty.  Hypocritical Laura is the worst Laura.  Along with resting cry face Laura who acts utterly SHOCKED when her criminal friends and family do criminal things 🙄 

On 1/24/2025 at 2:59 PM, dubbel zout said:

Everything Maxie said to Lulu about why she'd be unhappy at Deception was accurate. And BL is entirely right to not want her to work for her because it would be uncomfortable. Lulu is an idiot to think none of that matters and she can put it aside. Also: WHAT ABOUT ROCCO? Her complete lack of attention to him is approaching Drew/Jason levels of parenting.

Yes it’s so strange!  I’m pretty sure she has enough family help to not have to rush back to work.  And maybe Maxie was just trying to make her feel better but given that Lulu was in a coma for four years she’s not “overqualified” at all.  And as far as Brooklyn, she’s totally right.  Why would she hire an assistant who openly dislikes her (and the feeling is mutual)?  Dumb.

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8 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

And as far as Brooklyn, she’s totally right.  Why would she hire an assistant who openly dislikes her (and the feeling is mutual)?  Dumb.

Shenanigans ensue. Lulu needs to be as much in BLQ's face as possible when it's revealed she had a teen pregnancy, gave up the baby, never told papa Dante about it.

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On 1/24/2025 at 4:03 PM, YaddaYadda said:

Jack Brennan, you are so uncool. You also look like a thirsty puppy, begging for treats from your owner because you've been such a good boy. Honestly, spare me.

Did Brennan get Michael accepted into this German clinic, arrange medical transport, and pay for it with WSB money? Because Carly is just that special to him? GMAB. I could maybe see the WSB approving this if the critically injured patient had been Robert or Anna or their daughter/Robin's son or daughter, or Maxie or one of her kids since Frisco is her birth/biological father. But Carly and her kids have zero value for the WSB.

Brennan has been many places and has many opportunities to meet women who appeal to him - women who are as or more attractive than Carly and have actual life accomplishments. I feel like the Show is just trying to create a new Jax-type character, Australian accent included, and (again) providing zero valid reasons why he is so thirsty for her time and attention.

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On 1/24/2025 at 4:45 PM, YaddaYadda said:

In defense of everyone, nobody knows about Michael and Sasha's ONS or their golden spawn.

12 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

True, but Sasha knows.  And she’s still choosing to be a judgy Judy about it. Not a good look.

 

Well, of course Sasha knows-she's the one who fucked the SLS and is pregnant with their spawn. Which is why many have stated here that Sasha is in NO position to be the judgy McJudgserson she's been acting like. 

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10 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well, of course Sasha knows-she's the one who fucked the SLS and is pregnant with their spawn. Which is why many have stated here that Sasha is in NO position to be the judgy McJudgserson she's been acting like. 

Right that was my point!  Everyone else might get a pass for now but she knows so she’s in no position to judge anyone.

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25 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

And she’s still choosing to be a judgy Judy about it.

The Carlyfication starts at conception. Ugh. The 180 she's done on the Willow/Michael situation is so annoying. The story doesn't need her to put in her unwanted two cents. Shut up and be a decent friend.

1 minute ago, mostlylurking said:

she’s in no position to judge anyone

Who is, really? Port Charles is completely inhabited by total hypocrites.

26 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Did Brennan get Michael accepted into this German clinic, arrange medical transport, and pay for it with WSB money?

Brennan arranged things, but I don't think he's having the WSB pay for Michael's treatment or the transport. Given that the clinic isn't some supersekrit facility, it's not that egregious. Anyway, that's the MO of our independent leading lady: Carly never does anything that someone else can do for her.

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On 1/25/2025 at 3:04 PM, jsbt said:

I said it before and I'll say it again: Willow should fuck himbo Chase just because she can as revenge on the Qs. Do it Barbara Ryan crazy-style. Then Chase can leave, or die. idc!

They probably won't care now that he's sterile lol. And no now he has to share himself with the 55 single people on this show!

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Shenanigans ensue. Lulu needs to be as much in BLQ's face as possible when it's revealed she had a teen pregnancy, gave up the baby, never told papa Dante about it.

They may actually grow closer due to this, since Lulu also had a teen pregnancy. I can’t remember all the details, but didn’t the Q’s try to intervene with her abortion?

I'm confused as to:

Why the Kai character is in the opening credits?

Why Laura would be having an in-office visit with Lulu expressing worry about Lucky and making her aware of Sidwell. Don't Lulu and Lucky both live with Laura, Kevin and Ace at the moment?

Why in the world Kristina is being such a ridiculous Sonny proper, determined that he should have custody of Avery and practically glossing over the fact that her brother just got blown up in their dad's home?! She genuinely seems more worried about him than the safety of either of her little sisters. UGHH.

Drew seriously thinks he's going to get Willow and the two kids to move into a house with him and Scout?! Another UGHH.

Again, Willow does not deserve a friend like Chase. Her talking/acting like they're besties is so deeply weird after how she treated him. I can't believe he asked her to tell him what his test results say!! I did not have "Chase is sterile" on my GH Bingo card. 

Elizabeth and Lucky make a great team.  JJ's acting can be so funny when Lucky has an agenda. 

GF/Laura looks beautiful - hair, makeup and suit. 

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38 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Again, Willow does not deserve a friend like Chase. Her talking/acting like they're besties is so deeply weird after how she treated him. I can't believe he asked her to tell him what his test results say!! I did not have "Chase is sterile" on my GH Bingo card. 

 

Chase is the epitome of grace.  and me either. honestly. good. (I mean that they are doing a male sterility storyline). last one I can remember was Kevin Buchanhan's. maybe they'll do it justi... hahahahahaha sorry. 

I saw a clip. Drew was all "Monica barred me from the home. She never gave up on AJ or Jason, so i guess i'm a lost cause and never really part of it." Oh shut up. She's kicked AJ or and Jason out of the house too. stop whinging, it's just your turn. (I know LC thus Monica is gone, but still). 

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Willow, lock your front door.

WTF was Noted Bigot Natalia babbling about to Lucy? I know she was trying to gloss over why she and Sonny were going to LA, but otherwise? Total nonsense.

It's too much to ask that Sonny drop dead in LA, isn't it? Sigh.

3 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

didn’t the Q’s try to intervene with her abortion?

Wait, Lulu had an abortion?

3 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I did not have "Chase is sterile" on my GH Bingo card. 

It's a good thing his wife had a secret baby when she was a teenager. From what I understand, children and parents are interchangeable, so Gio is already legally Chase's son.

Kristina, the custody arrangement Sonny and Ava have for Avery is none of your business. The coddling of her, though, continues to be beyond gross. 

"If the Quartermaines think banning me from the property will stop me from seeing Willow, they've got another thing coming." OMG, Drew, how old are you?

Of course there's no mention of Lulu spending time with Rocco while she's waiting for Charlotte to resurface.

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Like I always say re: Anna's WSB career, it's the same principle here. Brennan is a damn arms dealer and international kingpin (yes, he was the co-head of Pikeman, the show tries to pretend he wasn't but as far as I recall he truly was and merely covered his tracks to pretend he was undercover!) who has killed countless people due to not only his ill-gotten gains and before that his long career in intelligence with the WSB. Yet for some reason he is consistently sweaty and sprung for upstate soccer mom yung grandma Carly, who is the epitome of that Amy Poehler Mean Girls character: "You girls keep me young!"

Brennan is embarrassing to me period and a waste of time, but they are clearly only keeping him til they find something better for Carly after the umpteenth attempt at Jarly with Steve and Laura flopped last spring. This is the first and only time I've considered just recasting Jax (not with this dude!) and bringing him on as a partner for Lois or something. To have a real power player and give Jax a defined story role again for the first time in oh, idk, 25 years? If we're being 100 he's barely had one since except for Jax's years with Carly, and she lost a good thing in him.

16 minutes ago, ljr said:

Drew is a congressman . Why isn’t he doing his job? He’s just talking about willow?

We've had more absent congressfolks tbqh. (sup Kyrsten Sinema)

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2 hours ago, Daisy said:

I saw a clip. Drew was all "Monica barred me from the home. She never gave up on AJ or Jason, so i guess i'm a lost cause and never really part of it." Oh shut up. She's kicked AJ or and Jason out of the house too. stop whinging, it's just your turn. (I know LC thus Monica is gone, but still). 

That's the last scene I saw before I lost electricity.

Drew is such a woe is me character. Drewfus, maybe Monica is keeping out of the Q estate because she wants to keep your pants zipped up and your hands to yourself.

Also, where the hell is your daughter?

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19 minutes ago, jsbt said:

This is the first and only time I've considered just recasting Jax (not with this dude!) and bringing him on as a partner for Lois or something. To have a real power player and give Jax a defined story role again for the first time in oh, idk, 25 years? If we're being 100 he's barely had one since except for Jax's years with Carly, and she lost a good thing in him.

I'd be all for this except Carly would inevitably meddle in any relationship that Jax has that isn't with her. I'm tired of her juvenile actions toward men. At least Brennan keeps her occupied enough to ignore Sonny and Noted Bigot Natalia.

Also, a real power player? Not while Sonny is still being absurdly propped as the fearsome crime head of the Eastern Seaboard.

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47 minutes ago, nilyank said:

So the best going on this show is Lucky and Liz. Love every bit of their story even if they could be given more screentime since they light each other up.

They should be out front for the show the way Sonny, Carly and Jason still somehow are at 50-60. It's easy to make this all about PI/caper stuff for them like Mac, Luke, etc. used to do, or Sonny with them in his youthful prime during the Labine era - you look back at that stuff now and so much was interconnected for a lot of key characters. LNL2 solving mysteries should not be B-story, and Jonathan Jackson should certainly not be in B-story.

And I say again, it is also time for vengeful widow-in-waiting Willow to prove to Chase his dick still works just to screw with the Qs. It is time for her to go full Susan Moore.

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Doesn`t Drew have to put his holdings into a blind trust? He should know nothing of what's going on with Aurora and recuse himself if Curtis comes before his committee.

We're barely out of an {endless and painful} infertility story with Molly and TJ. Do we have to start another now with Brooke Lynn and TJ?

Doctors don't usually deliver bad news over a phone call much less over a text. It takes empathy and care. (In Ontario, the College of Psychologists authorizes an MA to make the diagnosis but it requires a registered PhD to tell the client what it is.)

8 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Brennan has been many places and has many opportunities to meet women who appeal to him - women who are as or more attractive than Carly and have actual life accomplishments. I feel like the Show is just trying to create a new Jax-type character, Australian accent included, and (again) providing zero valid reasons why he is so thirsty for her time and attention.

Someone has to be.  Carly's run through all the men on the show, some several times, and heaven forfend that Carly, brave&strong, be without a man.

44 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Lulu: "My brother."

Does Laura really need the clarification?

That was the strangest conversation. Parts of it were like Lulu was a stranger and Laura needed to give the "previously on GH" playback.

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Liz and Lucky working together are everything. 

Drew, please keep AJ's name out of your mouth and stop talking about your family like you're reading a fan wiki page about them.  Also stop being a constant reminder of why my congress critters get nothing done because showing up is actually part of the job.  

Laura deserves so much better.  

I love CW and the writing for Nina has been consistently all over the place, but her scheming and friendship with Curtis really works well.  

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1 hour ago, sashabear21 said:

I love CW and the writing for Nina has been consistently all over the place, but her scheming and friendship with Curtis really works well.  

Maybe now that they're clearly no longer invested in Nina like they were ten years ago (yes, Nina has somehow been on this show for over a decade and Curtis is not far behind) those two can finally have an affair and rid poor Portia of Curtis for good. Nina can get laid and then Curtis can dip!

You may have noticed I have the same solution for several useless males on this show: Cheat, then vanish. It's actually soapy, it doesn't involve microchips or diamonds and it doesn't add even more children to the show. It's the praying mantis method, it works!

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7 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Doctors don't usually deliver bad news over a phone call much less over a text. It takes empathy and care. (In Ontario, the College of Psychologists authorizes an MA to make the diagnosis but it requires a registered PhD to tell the client what it is.)

I’m going to defend GH, because the portrayal was fairly accurate. With online medical records, the patient often has access to test results before the doctor has even reviewed them. It’s not a diagnosis though. Just the raw numbers with expected ranges. The only reason Chase came to the conclusion that he was sterile was because Willow, who has some amount of medical training was able to interpret the results. 

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Brennan is on the show because he is the only male in what?  Ten years?  Longer?  That has any chem with their leading lady, who is Laura Wright.  The leading lady who has no sexual chem with any men.  That was a glaring problem, and it's been solved because Mesure has chem with everyone, women, men, trees. whatever.  Now, there are maybe a handful who would deny it, but believe me, the straight women are loving them Brennan.  

The one problem is, that yes, it defies belief he is this hot for Carly, and following her around.  His background, he'd be with a 30 to 40 something gorgeous, fabulously dressed, and likely very accomplished woman.   But...a big part of the audience relates to Carly so much precisely because it's unbelievable, so if it can happen to Carly, it can happen to them.  That's why we're stuck with Carly and always will be.  It's a Scarecrow and Mrs. King thing.

As for Nina and Curtis, they have been my ship forever, and nothing temp needed.  Let them fall in love and be hot!  

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7 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Liz and Lucky working together are everything. 

Drew, please keep AJ's name out of your mouth and stop talking about your family like you're reading a fan wiki page about them.  Also stop being a constant reminder of why my congress critters get nothing done because showing up is actually part of the job.  

Laura deserves so much better.  

I love CW and the writing for Nina has been consistently all over the place, but her scheming and friendship with Curtis really works well.  

It does.  I actually liked her with Drew in a very screwball comedy kind of way, and thought that they could lead to a power couple, written right. But that was nothing compared to the scheming, sizzling hot, power couple Curtis and NIna could be.  I would love this, and I hope it happens. 

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10 hours ago, ciarra said:

Lulu: "My brother."

Does Laura really need the clarification? 

 

There is nothing at all in any way , shape, or form unrealistic or unnatural about this. When talking to family, friends, etc., I will refer to my sister as, yes, "my sister" even if they know her well. My sister calls me her sister to her husband, her kids. We both call each other "my sister" to our dad. It's a very common thing siblings do. We also call our brother the same to each other.

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Charles Mesure can get me to watch scenes with any character I usually skip on the show, that includes a lot of Carly scenes. Brennan is my jam.

Tracy is my other favourite character and the show made me skip her “Monica this and that” and “let me act like a brat instead of the calculating schemer and blackmailer I can be” last week.

Which brings me to an even more unpopular opinion. 

I hate that Monica is a more important character than she has been for decades right now, knowing she was extremely ill when these scenes were written, because it’s not reminding me of the character I appreciated so much, it’s making her into a vindictive and controlling person purely as a plot  device for a badly written storyline.

I’m assuming her family was happy that the show mentions her often, but it doesn’t feel like much of an hommage to me.

I hope they do a lot better in writing her passing.

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12 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Drew, please keep AJ's name out of your mouth and stop talking about your family like you're reading a fan wiki page about them.

That was ultra-annoying to me as well. Drew never knew any of the people he keeps yammering about, and he talks about them like he was there.

12 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

I love CW and the writing for Nina has been consistently all over the place, but her scheming and friendship with Curtis really works well.  

I loved it when Curtis said, "But it's different because it's you" when Nina tried to justify not telling Willow about Nina sleeping with Drew. That's what decent friends do: Call the crap. I also like that Nina admitted her hypocrisy with a laugh. Those two work well together. I wish Nina had some better pants, though.

11 hours ago, jsbt said:

You may have noticed I have the same solution for several useless males on this show: Cheat, then vanish. It's actually soapy, it doesn't involve microchips or diamonds and it doesn't add even more children to the show. It's the praying mantis method, it works!

If they hadn't made Sasha pregnant, Michael's departure would fit this idea nicely.

2 hours ago, Desperado said:

I hate that Monica is a more important character than she has been for decades right now, knowing she was extremely ill when these scenes were written, because it’s not reminding me of the character I appreciated so much, it’s making her into a vindictive and controlling person purely as a plot  device for a badly written storyline.

Yeah, I think it's kind of gross how suddenly Monica gets all these mentions and it's because she has to have her grandchildren on standby for her instant gratification. Presumably she saw them every day before the Willow-Michael implosion—the Q mansion has been the PC daycare for years. I think she can deal with seeing them on a slightly less frequent basis. 

I have no problem, however, with her banning Drew from the property. Actions have consequences, my dude, and the Qs are known for petty vindictiveness. 

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18 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

That was ultra-annoying to me as well. Drew never knew any of the people he keeps yammering about, and he talks about them like he was there.

I get that Drew is programmed with Jason’s memories, so it drives me even more crazy, because Jason would never have dwelled or thought twice about a lot of the inane details that Drew digs up. 

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1 hour ago, Desperado said:

I hate that Monica is a more important character than she has been for decades right now, knowing she was extremely ill when these scenes were written, because it’s not reminding me of the character I appreciated so much, it’s making her into a vindictive and controlling person purely as a plot  device for a badly written storyline.

Yep. The writing is making her sound like a bitter, nasty old lady stuck in her bed and making unreasonable demands with every breath.  

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26 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

I get that Drew is programmed with Jason’s memories, so it drives me even more crazy, because Jason would never have dwelled or thought twice about a lot of the inane details that Drew digs up. 

First Jason doesn't care, second, anything before Jason's head landed against a tree, or even after when he wanted nothing to do with his family is a non-starter, imo.

Drewfus should STFU and slink back into his hole, wherever that may be.

I refuse to call him Drew anymore.

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1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

I get that Drew is programmed with Jason’s memories

Does this show remember this? What I would for someone (Tracy, ideally) to snap at him, "You may have the memories, but you don't know squat about them."

53 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

when he wanted nothing to do with his family

Even now Jason interacts with his family only when absolutely necessary, and that includes his own damn son.

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8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Even now Jason interacts with his family only when absolutely necessary, and that includes his own damn son.

I was thinking today that Jason has had all of two scenes with Jake since SB returned and has not had a scene with Danny since soon after Thanksgiving - when he was jealous that Rocco reunited with Lulu. The holiday season is one of the few times the audience expects to see the under 18-years-old actors.

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19 hours ago, ljr said:

Drew is a congressman . Why isn’t he doing his job? He’s just talking about willow?

Have you seen Congress lately?

I am a fan of Charles Mesure as well.  His Brennan has chemistry with everyone, and he's managed to keep me guessing as to whether he is a good guy or a bad guy, or a little bit of both.  It's too bad that he's with Carly, but nothing is forever on this show.  He also has chemistry with Anna, and I'm sure he would with Alexis and Laura, should they get the chance to interact with him. Or, if they're really thinking of pairing Tracy with someone younger, I think he would be a better personality fit for her than Martin is.  

Yes to all who are upset about how Monica is being portrayed in absentia.  Manipulating the history and personality of a legacy character ought to be considered a soap opera felony.

Speaking of---so, yes, the conversation between Lulu and Laura was odd in many respects, but it was also emblematic of something that's happened a number of times in recent weeks and months---the use of exposition instead of dramatic storytelling.  I feel like the writers have defaulted to this technique when they are made aware that fans have noticed omissions, or contradictions.  They simply have a character notice the same thing, "explain" it in a sentence or two, and then move on.  That's not terrible when it happens once in a long while, but it's at least a soap opera misdemeanor to use it as often as the GH writers do. 

We should have been getting scenes with Lulu trying to process new information, struggling to incorporate into her life the things she has missed, the long mother-daughter talks about reentering your life and the life of your child.  How fascinating would that have been, since Lulu has now lived both sides of it?  But instead we got a long, expository paragraph that ended with "yeah, that was hard....but Charlotte". 

Show us the stories, writers.  Don't tell us.

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20 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Anna to Jason: Give me a chance to do my job!

Um, but why would anyone do that, babes. You haven't done your job in years.

PS. Her hair was rather ferociously feathered today. I was having flashbacks to my 70's junior high years! 

Oh man, I thought Anna's hair looked cute :)  I do wonder why the show description said "Anna sees Jason in a new light"--I was terrified it meant she was seeing him as a potential romance, instead he was talking about vigilante justice, which is kind of his thing, so I'm unsure how this is a "new light."

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9 minutes ago, JMO said:

Speaking of---so, yes, the conversation between Lulu and Laura was odd in many respects, but it was also emblematic of something that's happened a number of times in recent weeks and months---the use of exposition instead of dramatic storytelling.  I feel like the writers have defaulted to this technique when they are made aware that fans have noticed omissions, or contradictions.  They simply have a character notice the same thing, "explain" it in a sentence or two, and then move on.  That's not terrible when it happens once in a long while, but it's at least a soap opera misdemeanor to use it as often as the GH writers do. 

We should have been getting scenes with Lulu trying to process new information, struggling to incorporate into her life the things she has missed, the long mother-daughter talks about reentering your life and the life of your child.  How fascinating would that have been, since Lulu has now lived both sides of it?  But instead we got a long, expository paragraph that ended with "yeah, that was hard....but Charlotte". 

Show us the stories, writers.  Don't tell us.

Exactly JMO, to your point about exposition--it's pure laziness on the part of writers, and probably prompted by your sense of why it's used.

When trying to teach undergrad students about avoiding exposition, I usually resort to the "As you know, Bob..." principle, which is a bad TV trope. A writer thinks they're avoiding static delivery of exposition by incorporating it into some dialogue between two characters; hence, "As you know, Bob."

Working in exposition that's needed takes work--ideally incorporating it with some action related to the exposition--otherwise it's wordy fill and slows down plot movement.

Glad to read your observation, I noticed this too.

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27 minutes ago, JMO said:

But instead we got a long, expository paragraph that ended with "yeah, that was hard....but Charlotte". 

Show us the stories, writers.  Don't tell us.

They can tell me about Charlotte. I don't see to see Lulu off on yet another idiotic trip to not bring her daughter home. Ugh.

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6 hours ago, absnow54 said:

I’m going to defend GH, because the portrayal was fairly accurate. With online medical records, the patient often has access to test results before the doctor has even reviewed them. It’s not a diagnosis though. Just the raw numbers with expected ranges. The only reason Chase came to the conclusion that he was sterile was because Willow, who has some amount of medical training was able to interpret the results. 

A quick rebuttal: I have access to my test results but I have to go to the hospital website to read them, they are not texted to me without an explanation of the numbers. In my case, what I have access to is limited though and doesn't include consultant reports. For those, the medical association requires that a doctor go through them with me.

Giving bad news requires skill and empathy (Dr Rob Buckman developed a course for medical students).  I remember how I felt when my oncologist told me that the biopsy came back positive for cancer and how important it was that he was empathic and caring. This has been another fail on the part of Portia's and Terry's hospital.

 

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2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

A quick rebuttal: I have access to my test results but I have to go to the hospital website to read them, they are not texted to me without an explanation of the numbers. In my case, what I have access to is limited though and doesn't include consultant reports. For those, the medical association requires that a doctor go through them with me.

Giving bad news requires skill and empathy (Dr Rob Buckman developed a course for medical students).  I remember how I felt when my oncologist told me that the biopsy came back positive for cancer and how important it was that he was empathic and caring. This has been another fail on the part of Portia's and Terry's hospital.

 

i wonder if that's an American thing?
We're Canadian and I've NEVER had my results or anything given to me over the phone except during the Lockdown  (and it was still just more "okay you don't  have cancer so relax). 

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