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Desperado

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Glad Liz was saved from the triumvirate of hospital doom, but wish she would’ve been the one to call Ric instead of him showing up to “rescue” her.

I’m fine with Lucky being a bartender if he makes Kristina more palatable because she’s not going off screen anytime soon.

i wholeheartedly agree that the “Ava is broke” plot is absolutely ridiculous and was annoyed by Alexis going to Sonny to give him info that will take away Avery from her mom and go behind Kristina’s back to undermine her.

The girl is already a powder keg, no need to light the match. 

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Cheyanne11

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Oh, how I did not miss the Lulu/Valentin sniping over Charlotte these last four years.  

Adding to the choir of the stupidity of the Ava-is-broke bs.  Please, show.  And really disliking the way Alexis snitched to Sonny.  If anyone should sympathize with the struggles of having a kid with Sonny it should be her.  But that would mean one less person on the 'Ava is the new town pariah' bus and can't have that.

2024 going out with teasing me that Sonny is going to meet his heavenly ~reward.  If only. If. Only.

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ciarra

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Wow, Kristina really changed Charlie's, it's hardly recognizable.  🤣

Blue neon sign instead of red.  A few blue light strips (thanks, Aliexpress!), and a few table lamps.   Mini(?) guitars on the wall for the poor man's Hard Rock Cafe look?   Maybe if Charlie's doesn't work out, Kristina can go into decorating.

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Fellaway

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7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Everything is STOOPID.

I'll say. Note to Portia and Terry: If you show up to the table with a lawyer, the other party is entitled to one, too. And ambushing Elizabeth like that and insisting she didn't need a lawyer, how could she think that, was very poor form for doctors who are supposed to be smart.

And what if Elizabeth, on paper, was the only one who had access to all three patients? Aside from that being hard to believe, what with techs, maintenance, food service, registration, etc., just generally people coming and going all the time in a hospital even if they're not officially on the case, I'd be looking at who had access to the digitalis.

They have three patients dying from digitalis and they haven't called in the police yet? Sure. Portia and Terry just have the patients' and their personnel's interests at the forefront of their minds.

Even if Ava's not entitled to how much Nikolas gave her in their settlement, she's entitled to something. Nikolas was the one who cheated and had a baby with someone else, after all. And she wasn't a pauper before they married! Stoopid.

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Mirabelle

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Nik is in prison but he should still be the main beneficiary of the Cassadine trusts unless he's dead and the show just forgot to let us know. Maybe he's got other people handling the investments and administration but they'd need his permission do something major like reverse a prenup. Why is the show being so vague as to who took action on having Ava's assets frozen? 

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

13 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Never was the head nurse in charge of my care-it was rolling shifts of nurses.

Eh, it's a soap. This keeps Elizabeth on the floor and active in stories. Of all of the dumb medical mistakes GH makes, this one is negligible, IMO.

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17 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

It's odd to see Laura, Elizabeth, and Lucky color coordinated in teal and black

Even Charlie's joins in the teal color scheme!

Teal is the new gray. (#IYKYK)

 

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Sake614

Sake614

2 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

My first thought  seeing Sonny collapse was 'that should help Ava in her custody case'

 

Mine was rhar he’ll be the next potential digatalis victim but of course Jason will save him and solve the mystery. That will once again cement Sonny’s ‘rightful’ place as the savior of PC 🤮

56 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Nik is in prison but he should still be the main beneficiary of the Cassadine trusts unless he's dead and the show just forgot to let us know. Maybe he's got other people handling the investments and administration but they'd need his permission do something major like reverse a prenup. Why is the show being so vague as to who took action on having Ava's assets frozen? 

According to Laura, Nik spent money that wasn’t his to spend and the cassadine estate took it all back. Just who is the ‘cassadine estate’ and how to they have the right to take back what is legally Nik’s?

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

49 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

According to Laura, Nik spent money that wasn’t his to spend and the cassadine estate took it all back. Just who is the ‘cassadine estate’ and how to they have the right to take back what is legally Nik’s?

This is the dumbest thing ever. The writers haven't met a storyline they didn't manage to fuck up somehow.

Nikolas is not dead to call this an "estate." Ava sold Wyndemere, she should at least be allowed to keep that money. And the idea this entity that we never heard of before can just go into her account and steal every penny, disable your credit cards is as stupid as can be. 

I guess the show wants to make sure that she can't fight for custody.

Also, STFU, Alexis. Trying to protect her grown ass daughter from Sonny's shady practices, all the while serving him a little girl on a silver plate. Nothing good comes from sleeping with Sonny.

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nilyank

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Wyndemere is not part of the Cassadine trust being managed by that Greek firm. It was originally sold off when the Cassadines went broke in the early 2000s (another stupid story as the Cassadine were worth billions and shouldn't have gone broke so easily). Emily bought Wyndemere as gift to Nikolas, so it was his to give to Ava if he so wanted. There is no way that anyone could take away ownership from Ava or the earnings of selling the property.

 

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Eh, it's a soap. This keeps Elizabeth on the floor and active in stories. Of all of the dumb medical mistakes GH makes, this one is negligible, IMO.

Stop making me be logical and accept this true, tried and tired trope! 😆

I'm glad that Elizabeth is now in an active story, but it's so damned stoopid and frustrating because when she was a regular nurse, and Shiobhan was killed, she was the number one suspect. I believe Becky was out due to illness and the recast of Belle Brady from Days played out that whole thing.

43 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Wyndemere is not part of the Cassadine trust being managed by that Greek firm. It was originally sold off when the Cassadines went broke in the early 2000s (another stupid story as the Cassadine were worth billions and shouldn't have gone broke so easily). Emily bought Wyndemere as gift to Nikolas, so it was his to give to Ava if he so wanted. There is no way that anyone could take away ownership from Ava or the earnings of selling the property.

And then there is this. This is so asinine I've run out of snarky things to say about it. Like, the person who named Nik his heir is the only one to disinherit him and make Ace the new heir-IF he were still alive. Wasn't it Stavros? Or was it Stefan? Helena? To use @dubbel zout's phrase: It's so galactically stupid.

But none of these hacks gives a good goddamn if any of it makes sense. And even if this never before heard of "Greek Firm" took back the money from Ava, how would they be able to freeze her credit card accounts that have NOTHING to do with cash assets? Oh Wait. I forgot who's running and writing this show.

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MarciNJ

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4 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But none of these hacks gives a good goddamn if any of it makes sense. And even if this never before heard of "Greek Firm" took back the money from Ava, how would they be able to freeze her credit card accounts that have NOTHING to do with cash assets? Oh Wait. I forgot who's running and writing this show.

I think we are supposed to think they are "all powerful".  Actually, I don't think we are supposed to think at all....

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

With Nik in prison, Spencer dead as far as anyone knows, and Ace still a baby, they should have had the Greek law firm be super shady and take over the estate (I'm okay with that term being used to describe all of the family financial and legal holdings) and claw back the money for its own use. They can hand wave making Alexis the trustee until Ace comes of age as not being able to completely wrest control of everything. Alexis is a legal sop, as it were. And let's throw in that they knew she wanted nothing to do with anything Cassadine, so it was a safe bet for them to keep doing their dastardly deeds.

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nilyank

nilyank

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

With Nik in prison, Spencer dead as far as anyone knows, and Ace still a baby, they should have had the Greek law firm be super shady and take over the estate (I'm okay with that term being used to describe all of the family financial and legal holdings) and claw back the money for its own use. They can hand wave making Alexis the trustee until Ace comes of age as not being able to completely wrest control of everything. Alexis is a legal sop, as it were. And let's throw in that they knew she wanted nothing to do with anything Cassadine, so it was a safe bet for them to keep doing their dastardly deeds.

Or just have Valentin be behind it to take control as it wouldn't be the first time he used nefarious means to get his hands on the estate. He is on the run and could use another stream of income that people won't be able to connect to him. Plus Valentin knows that Alexis doesn't care, Nikolas is in prison and most importantly that Laura think the money is tainted and never wanted her son and grandsons connected to it.

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JMO

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3 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

 Why is the show being so vague as to who took action on having Ava's assets frozen? 

Knowing who took action would require planning ahead on the part of the writers.  I suspect even they don't know yet. 

36 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I'm glad that Elizabeth is now in an active story, but it's so damned stoopid and frustrating because when she was a regular nurse, and Shiobhan was killed, she was the number one suspect. I believe Becky was out due to illness and the recast of Belle Brady from Days played out that whole thing.

 

It could be an interesting, active story...but it's not.  All we keep seeing is Elizabeth standing at some location in GH and Lucky inexplicably standing around next to her.  No emotional trauma at being investigated, no horror at the thought that anyone would suspect her of murdering two people who were loved by people she cares about, no angst about revealing the investigation to Aiden, or his reaction to it.  Remember Aiden?  The son whose respect and love Lucky feared he had lost, and which storyline was wrapped up in a single encounter?  

The Lulu storyline should have been interesting, but it's not.  Where was the drama over waking up to a life that no longer resembled the one she'd left?  We got maybe a total of three minutes of that, across several scenes, with different characters.  There was a lot of pathos to be mined there, but it went untouched.  

The Brooklyn/Chase/Gio/Lois/Ned (and Olivia...remember Olivia?) storyline wasn't interesting, isn't interesting, and shows no promise of becoming interesting. 

The Willow/Drew/Michael/Sasha/Nina storyline has lived up to the horror of its potential.

Joss is mostly over Dex, even though there hasn't yet been a funeral.  I've been wondering who would arrange it for him, since he is estranged from his bio family and Joss is busy at Bobby's.

And then we have the other half of the onscreen stories---and none of them are any better.  Each story has potential, but the potential is wasted on too rapidly and clumsily pushing the plot forward, and not having the patience to explore, let alone plumb, the emotional depth of the characters involved. 

GH is blessed to have some very talented and experienced actors in the current cast, and I'm sorry the writers seem so bound and determined to keep them from their craft.

 

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CeChase

CeChase

20 hours ago, nilyank said:

Fuck. They go fuck.

These writers are very old-fashioned in many ways, and would never allow Trina or Joss to do that.  They have a real Madonna/Whore complex going on.  Good girls don't fuck, they make love after many excrutiating months or years of longing looks, misunderstandings, and near-kisses.

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

This is the dumbest thing ever. The writers haven't met a storyline they didn't manage to fuck up somehow.

Nikolas is not dead to call this an "estate." Ava sold Wyndemere, she should at least be allowed to keep that money. And the idea this entity that we never heard of before can just go into her account and steal every penny, disable your credit cards is as stupid as can be. 

I guess the show wants to make sure that she can't fight for custody.

Also, STFU, Alexis. Trying to protect her grown ass daughter from Sonny's shady practices, all the while serving him a little girl on a silver plate. Nothing good comes from sleeping with Sonny.

I think they want to make sure Sonny comes out smelling like a rose instead of the blood he stinks of.  They will likely have Sonny experience a come to Jesus moment now that he's had those gas pains at the gym, and decide to bestow visiting rights on Ava.  And led by the Mayor and Police Commisionar, everyone will clap.  Happy New Year!

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DanaK

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3 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Call me grumpy, but in this age of streaming and on demand, GH showing repeats of forgettable recent episodes, is very disappointing.

It was supposed to be a new episode today so maybe ABC changed their minds due to the holidays or something else. It makes me wonder if we are still getting a new episode tomorrow

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GHScorpiosRule

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14 minutes ago, Desperado said:

Call me grumpy, but in this age of streaming and on demand, GH showing repeats of forgettable recent episodes, is very disappointing.

I remember when they used to play new episodes during the holidays. The one where original!Cujo had some weird twist of It's a Wonderful LIfe where she was dressed up as a marm and Hannah was raising baby Michael* with Jason was a HOOT!

*Before he became the red-headed demon spawn and the SLS.

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CeChase

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9 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I remember when they used to play new episodes during the holidays. The one where original!Cujo had some weird twist of It's a Wonderful LIfe where she was dressed up as a marm and Hannah was raising baby Michael* with Jason was a HOOT!

*Before he became the red-headed demon spawn and the SLS.

This sounds really good, I don't know why they can't do that today.  

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TVbitch

TVbitch

17 minutes ago, DanaK said:

It was supposed to be a new episode today so maybe ABC changed their minds due to the holidays or something else. It makes me wonder if we are still getting a new episode tomorrow

ABC in Phoenix is airing the Citrus Bowl today. I hate to sound like Trina, but I've never heard of that! AI says no new epi until Thursday.

PS. I HATE it when AI asks you a follow up questions like it is your friend. 🙄

"General Hospital will not be airing a new episode on New Year's Eve this year. Instead, they will be showing a rerun from August 26, 2024. New episodes are expected to resume on Thursday, January 2, 2025.

Are you a big fan of the show?"

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Grinaldi

Grinaldi

This whole ridiculous Cassadine thing would be a lot more interesting if instead of Ace being the heir and that money sitting idle for the next 17 years they had named Kristina instead.

Also, yeah, no way they could take back the proceeds of the sale of Wyndemere.

If Sam Malone could run Cheers then Lucky can be the bartender at Charlie's. I'd prefer him in a more active profession but this will at least give him an excuse to talk to a lot of folks.

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nilyank

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14 minutes ago, Grinaldi said:

If Sam Malone could run Cheers then Lucky can be the bartender at Charlie's. I'd prefer him in a more active profession but this will at least give him an excuse to talk to a lot of folks.

Have you forgotten how empty Charlie has been since Sonny bought the place for Phyllis? The only time Charlie's was a popular place was when Julian owned it and everyone that hated him was a regular customer.

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DanaK

DanaK

27 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

ABC in Phoenix is airing the Citrus Bowl today. I hate to sound like Trina, but I've never heard of that! AI says no new epi until Thursday.

PS. I HATE it when AI asks you a follow up questions like it is your friend. 🙄

"General Hospital will not be airing a new episode on New Year's Eve this year. Instead, they will be showing a rerun from August 26, 2024. New episodes are expected to resume on Thursday, January 2, 2025.

Are you a big fan of the show?"

It’s weird that my DVR guide and TV Guide are saying there are new episodes today and tomorrow as I fully expected to show to be reruns at least in the 1st. I guess they didn’t get the memo that they are repeats. My local station started showing the Citrus Bowl at 3pm ET (GH shows at 2pm ET)

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

3 hours ago, JMO said:

It could be an interesting, active story...but it's not.  All we keep seeing is Elizabeth standing at some location in GH and Lucky inexplicably standing around next to her.  No emotional trauma at being investigated, no horror at the thought that anyone would suspect her of murdering two people who were loved by people she cares about, no angst about revealing the investigation to Aiden, or his reaction to it. 

I think the emotional trauma and horror part is starting now; I liked how Becky played Elizabeth's subtle change of expression in reaction to the hospital attorney's tone and questions. I think she also realizes that Portia will gladly throw her under the bus in order to save herself and the hospital from further investigation.

2 hours ago, CeChase said:

These writers are very old-fashioned in many ways, and would never allow Trina or Joss to do that.  They have a real Madonna/Whore complex going on.  Good girls don't fuck, they make love after many excrutiating months or years of longing looks, misunderstandings, and near-kisses.

Your description fits for Trina, but not Joss. Joss barely knew Dex when they went at it on his couch on NYE, when she was still in a relationship with Cameron (after kissing/making out with him behind Cam's back a couple times). Joss and Dex were sexually active together multiple times before they said they "didn't feel casual" about each other.  Josslyn only started declaring she loved Dex because she thought Sonny was going to kill him but then realized Sonny made him leave town instead. There was zero depth to the Joss-Dex thing. It's just that she is nothing if not a drama queen like her mother. 

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JMO

JMO

16 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I think the emotional trauma and horror part is starting now; I liked how Becky played Elizabeth's subtle change of expression in reaction to the hospital attorney's tone and questions. I think she also realizes that Portia will gladly throw her under the bus in order to save herself and the hospital from further investigation.

I sincerely hope you're right, because I'm starving for good storytelling. 

Most of us are probably aware of the phenomenon called "sanewashing" regarding our news media.  That's when a politician says or does something completely crazy or ignorant, and the headlines in the media significantly tone down the lunacy and ignorance to make it sound like something legitimate.  I think we fans do our own version of that when we provide our own backstory, or character motivation, because the writers failed to do it for us. I think we have the right to be more demanding, and we know better writers are out there, because they wrote for GH eight months ago.

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Lugal

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1 hour ago, Grinaldi said:

This whole ridiculous Cassadine thing would be a lot more interesting if instead of Ace being the heir and that money sitting idle for the next 17 years they had named Kristina instead.

Name Charlotte the heir, and that's why they have to find her.  It could tie together a lot of stories and has the potential to be interesting. So that's why they won't do it.

18 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Adding to the choir of the stupidity of the Ava-is-broke bs.  Please, show.  And really disliking the way Alexis snitched to Sonny.  If anyone should sympathize with the struggles of having a kid with Sonny it should be her.  But that would mean one less person on the 'Ava is the new town pariah' bus and can't have that.

I think they want us to believe that it's Ava's fault she's broke for failing to call "no backsies!"

14 hours ago, Fellaway said:

And what if Elizabeth, on paper, was the only one who had access to all three patients? Aside from that being hard to believe, what with techs, maintenance, food service, registration, etc., just generally people coming and going all the time in a hospital even if they're not officially on the case, I'd be looking at who had access to the digitalis.

The gardener who planted all those foxgloves outside GH...

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statsgirl

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I don't know what's wrong with Sonny but he looks like me when I'm having an acid reflux attack.

Did I hear correctly, that Kristina told Lucas that the baby's death was an accident? Can we finally put this story to rest now? Given all the strife between Sonny and Alexis over Kristina herself, she should understand that it's best for a child to have both parents.

8 hours ago, nilyank said:

Wyndemere is not part of the Cassadine trust being managed by that Greek firm. It was originally sold off when the Cassadines went broke in the early 2000s (another stupid story as the Cassadine were worth billions and shouldn't have gone broke so easily). Emily bought Wyndemere as gift to Nikolas, so it was his to give to Ava if he so wanted. There is no way that anyone could take away ownership from Ava or the earnings of selling the property.

If only the writers were following the show's history as closely.

10 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

 Why is the show being so vague as to who took action on having Ava's assets frozen? 

Because it is so stupid? There's no justification for the unknown entity to freeze Ava's credit cards and take money out of her her bank accounts without notifying her first much less taking her to court for it.

1 hour ago, Lugal said:

Name Charlotte the heir, and that's why they have to find her.  It could tie together a lot of stories and has the potential to be interesting. So that's why they won't do it.

I love this idea. And why not? Both Valentine and Nik are illegitimate so why shouldn't it go to Valentin's line. At least Charlotte is old enough to understand what money is and it would be a change to have it go to a female child.

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KerleyQ

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13 hours ago, Mirabelle said:

Nik is in prison but he should still be the main beneficiary of the Cassadine trusts unless he's dead and the show just forgot to let us know. Maybe he's got other people handling the investments and administration but they'd need his permission do something major like reverse a prenup. Why is the show being so vague as to who took action on having Ava's assets frozen? 

I'm assuming it's going to be revealed to be some previously thought dead Cassadine. I can think of a few who would decide to name Nik's baby the heir. 

What I don't get is how they were able to do this quickly and without Ava being aware there was even a potential issue. Once all the money and any assets were transferred to Ava, they were legally hers. Anyone making any claim otherwise would have to file a suit to do so, at least for anything held in the US. There should have been some notice to Ava that her possession of whatever she got in the divorce was being contested. There should have been some kind of legal proceeding leading to a judge ordering the return of anything that was deemed to not be rightfully hers. And, as others have mentioned, that wouldn't have involved freezing her credit cards. Her credit cards wouldn't become an issue until her payments on them bounced because the account she had set up to pay them had been drained. Again, though, she would have gotten notice of her cards being frozen. And, these days, that would likely happen right away via an email or a notification on the card's app on her phone. 

Anyway, I'm assuming that Laura and Alexis donating it all to charity on Ace's behalf will bring out whoever that thought dead Cassadine is (my money is on Helena). And then will they just retrieve it all back from the charity, since apparently this law firm in Greece can do so at will when an heir gives any of it away? 

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Desperado

Desperado

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Did I hear correctly, that Kristina told Lucas that the baby's death was an accident? Can we finally put this story to rest now? Given all the strife between Sonny and Alexis over Kristina herself, she should understand that it's best for a child to have both parents.

IIRC, she skated around it making Lucas think that she said it, but really didn’t. The whole set up made me think she was playing Lucas and still wants Ava to die a painful death, while he was thinking she was supporting him, so I hated it.

Speaking of things I hated, goodbye to spectacularly crappy 2024, but thank you all for helping me stay somewhat sane through it all.

I have high hopes for 2025 and wish you all the best! 🎉

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Cheyanne11

Cheyanne11

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8 minutes ago, Mirabelle said:

Wasn't Laura married to Luke when Stavros kidnapped her and forced her to marry him? Wouldn't that nullify that marriage? I didn't start watching until the late 80s so Luke and Laura were off the show by then.

Yes, she was.  L&L were married in November 1981 and a couple months or so later the Cassadines kidnapped her.

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KerleyQ

KerleyQ

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

That’s what they wanted to do but Martin said it wasn’t permitted. That only when Ace is of legal age to inherit can HE then decide to donate it. 

Shows how well I pay attention to this show. I could have sworn Laura told Ava they did donate it, but maybe she told her that it was the plan in the future. 

YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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1 hour ago, Mirabelle said:

Wasn't Laura married to Luke when Stavros kidnapped her and forced her to marry him? Wouldn't that nullify that marriage? I didn't start watching until the late 80s so Luke and Laura were off the show by then.

It should in real life. I don't think Nikolas is considered illegitimate, but the current crop of Cassadines (Spencer includes) are all illegitimate. 

I don't think the show cares, or remembers, or knows how royalty works.

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