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There are so many amazing moments to choose from Lulu’s unexpected and unlikely journey. Managing to slip out of Maxie’s house quicker than Maxie could run down the hall, and right past Spinelli who had to have be in the driveway when she left. Teleporting to the Quartermaine grounds to encounter every new character in Port Charles first. But the winning scene goes to Turning Woods texting Lucky footage of his comatose sister escaping without comment. Wouldn’t you CALL them first to prepare them for the revelation? 

Anyway, thank god Rocco finally identified her. 

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YaddaYadda

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Sam's liver sure is miraculous. Should've cut her open years ago.

Chase and BLQ's "love" scene are fucking embarrassing. It was more than enough to see them running up the stairs with Chase taking off his jacket, there was no need to see them in bed trying to have a baby with BLQ dressed like it was Siberia in their bedroom. 

This is a soap. If you don't wanna take off layers, maybe choose another career.

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jsbt

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I loved her on OLTL, I thought she was an ideal recast early on and I don't think Frank will ever let her go, but if this is how this is going to go forever with Amanda Setton it's time to recast.

And don't get me started on the Gio thing. It is so unnecessary to do this with Dante and BLQ, let alone with a grown young man. (And I say that as someone who likes Gio and who would play Dante and BLQ together for awhile after nuking Chase.) These sexy adults do not need more kids let alone grown children.

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nilyank

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41 minutes ago, jsbt said:

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When the FCC fine is ready to drop.

You forgot the foreplay of Chase half naked and Brooklyn still wearing her winter coat. 

Like she couldn't take off her coat before starting "sexy" times.

This is them locked up in the super hot sauna with him barely naked and she is still wearing her dark blazer.

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

4 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

There are so many amazing moments to choose from Lulu’s unexpected and unlikely journey. Managing to slip out of Maxie’s house quicker than Maxie could run down the hall, and right past Spinelli who had to have be in the driveway when she left. Teleporting to the Quartermaine grounds to encounter every new character in Port Charles first. But the winning scene goes to Turning Woods texting Lucky footage of his comatose sister escaping without comment. Wouldn’t you CALL them first to prepare them for the revelation? 

Today was a cavalcade of Lulu-related UCG, and I loved every minute. If her recovery is going to be lickety-split, they might as well lean into reintegrating her into the canvas.

LOL at Lulu's horror at the redecoration of the Q mansion.

The sniggering over BL and Chase having sex was so infantile and gross. 

Of course Olivia believes that being a grandmother means you can override the parents' wishes.

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

4 hours ago, jsbt said:

I like how they've gently reframed Lucky and Sam's relationship as 'friends' and not 'we fucked in a hot tub a lot'. Well, maybe not a lot but that's the thing I remember. Was there even a hot tub? Am I imagining that?

I assume it's to essentially sanitize Lucky's history from when GV was in the role. I noticed nobody has even made a vague reference to Lucky's past that included drug addiction and parenting Cam and Jake either.  GV's Lucky had an affair/relationship with Sam as a middle finger to Elizabeth and to a slightly lesser extent, Jason. Lucky had expected Elizabeth's unconditional love and devotion regardless of the drugs, affair with Maxie, etc.  Once JJ came back in 2009, Lucky made some reference that he still cared about Sam, but with the way he and Sam interacted when they had scenes, it seemed like their relationship never happened.  

I noticed that so far since JJ's return to the role of Lucky, Elizabeth has only been allowed to mention being the mother of multiple boys and vaguely reference her history with Jason in front of Lucky when she was speaking in front of a group of people at a funeral. 

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45 minutes ago, nilyank said:
52 minutes ago, jsbt said:

Drew is cruising for getting a whodunit by the new year. I'm calling it now. Of course this is drag-ass GH so who knows, maybe they'll prolong it to February sweeps.

Let it be Michael who kills him and he leaves town with the kids.

Let Michael kill Drew and then accidentally kill himself.

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jsbt

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40 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I assume it's to essentially sanitize Lucky's history from when GV was in the role. I noticed nobody has even made a vague reference to Lucky's past that included drug addiction and parenting Cam and Jake either. 

I mean, Jonathan's Lucky was a noted addict onscreen as well in his last stint. And was devoted to Cam and Jake. If they were going to sanitize his recast past they'd have done it in 2009-2010. So I don't think it's that so much as Guza was not keen on picturing JJ's Lucky, a character he actually cared about, as a sidepiece for Sam and thus they sort of elided the topic. Which is a whole other misogynistic can of worms lol.

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Chase and BLQ's "love" scene are fucking embarrassing. It was more than enough to see them running up the stairs with Chase taking off his jacket, there was no need to see them in bed trying to have a baby with BLQ dressed like it was Siberia in their bedroom. 

That's the thing. Seeing them in bed wasn't really necessary. We know what they were going to do, and if AS doesn't want to show anything then show them snuggling under the covers - we can imagine that she has undressed if she has the sheets up to her neck. But she's in two layers of clothing lying in bed next to Chase? Kinda takes you out of the scene.

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statsgirl

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Lulu's trip about Port Charles reminded me of a French farce. Thank goodness Rocco found her by the end. And that Maxie had a picture of nuLulu in her photo album, conveniently on the coffee table.

If Olivia doesn't want Dante moving out of the Q mansion, maybe she should stop making Rocco cookies that he doesn't want his son to have.

Has Lucky met Cyrus before? That was a pretty harsh reaction to him. Doesn't Lucky talk to Laura to find out that Cyrus is no longer on the black list? I find it hard to believe that Lucky has Lulu's medical PoA rather than Dante or Laura so what Lucky wants from Turning Woods doesn't matter.

I don't get what Ric was going for. Was he playing out his hatred of Sonny by hurting Sonny's daughter? Or his anger at Alexis for having other daughters? If I were on the jury, I would hold his attacks on Kristina against him. Ava played it much better, expressing her sorrow at the accidental death of the baby.

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dubbel zout

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13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If Olivia doesn't want Dante moving out of the Q mansion, maybe she should stop making Rocco cookies that he doesn't want his son to have.

Olivia is confusing Rocco with one of the younger kids for whom cookies are always irresistible. There are a lot of kids living at the Q mansion, so it's no wonder.

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nilyank

nilyank

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Has Lucky met Cyrus before? That was a pretty harsh reaction to him. Doesn't Lucky talk to Laura to find out that Cyrus is no longer on the black list? I find it hard to believe that Lucky has Lulu's medical PoA rather than Dante or Laura so what Lucky wants from Turning Woods doesn't matter.

 

Cyrus is responsible for Lulu being in a coma for the last four years. Lucky is treating Cyrus exactly as he deserves. And Lucky has spoken to Laura about Cyrus because he knew that Laura removed him from the list as acceptable visitors at GH for Lulu. Turning Woods also said that he was on the emergency contact list when they were unable to reach Laura. Dante was in Night Court testifying.

Speaking of Turning Woods, didn't they lose Mike at least once or twice when he was staying there?

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absnow54

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16 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Has Lucky met Cyrus before? That was a pretty harsh reaction to him. Doesn't Lucky talk to Laura to find out that Cyrus is no longer on the black list? I find it hard to believe that Lucky has Lulu's medical PoA rather than Dante or Laura so what Lucky wants from Turning Woods doesn't matter.

Cyrus may be off the black list, but he’s more on the “tolerate” list now. It’s one thing to have Genie Francis offscreen for this portion of the story, it’s another to not even have Laura answer the phone. And to suggest there’s some emergency going on in Port Charles when literally every major character is currently living their most boring life isn’t a great excuse. 

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I don't get what Ric was going for. Was he playing out his hatred of Sonny by hurting Sonny's daughter? Or his anger at Alexis for having other daughters?

He blames Kristina for Irene’s death, and whether he cared for Irene as his granddaughter, I don’t know, but he does care about Molly and her grief and wants Kristina to pay for it. 

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JMO

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I truly thought it would be Tracy who found Lulu at the Q mansion, and was looking forward to that reunion.  But I guess it makes sense for it to be Rocco, because his having hit puberty will make Lulu more aware that she's been gone for a long time.  

Liz and Lucky being thrust into the Lulu situation is smart; it keeps them in each other's orbit, but without the pressure of continuously focusing on his future and his relationship with Aidan, and with her.  

The preview scene with Laura made me think she hadn't yet reunited with Lulu, which in turn made me wonder if Lulu was planning on checking things out before letting her presence be known beyond Rocco.  But then we see Lulu greeting someone else, so who knows?

I was impressed with Ric throughout the trial, and Ava made a very sympathetic figure at the end.  I was just waiting for either RIc or the DA to call the FBI agent who owned the duffel bag as a witness.  Can't help but wonder if the fact that they have now reacknowledged Jagger's existence means we'll get a resolution to that story. 

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KerleyQ

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8 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Until the show tells me differently in so many words, I can believe that Kristina really believes that Ava pushed her. Memory is notoriously susceptible to emotion and interpretation and Kristina did have memory loss for the immediate time before her fall. It makes sense that the story that she told herself and now believes is that Ava pushed her.

This is what I've been kind of thinking, too. In her mind, whatever she does remember probably all happened so fast that she just truly believes Ava pushed her. Ava did have her hand on her arm right before she fell, so I can kind of see how her memory has pieced together for her "we were arguing, I had just threatened to bring up her killing my brother and Connie, she reached out at me, and then I went out the window," into Ava pushing her. I've never gotten the impression from Kristina's dialogue or KM's performance, that she's intentionally lying about what happened. It's been played, to me, like she fully believes Ava pushed her out that window. 

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Sake614

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Lucky deserved every bit of the dragging he got from Cyrus today. I just wish it hadn’t come from Cyrus. 

Ric was awesome today! Yeah he badgered kiristina, but at the end of the day, he also drilled him to the jury that while what happened was a tragedy  it wasn’t intentional or premeditated. And there is zero proof that Ava pushed Kristina. It’s a she said she said situation so it all depends on whose story the jury believes. And since I don’t see Ava going to jail again, I’m guessing they side with her. Even Molly seems to be coming around to it being an accident. Which likely means she and TJ are finished.

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perkie1968

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2 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

and if AS doesn't want to show anything then show them snuggling under the covers - we can imagine that she has undressed if she has the sheets up to her neck.

Or if she must be wearing clothes, than have her in his shirt that he just took off.  It covers her and is a sexier look than pjs ANS a housecoat while under the covers, literally moments after having sex.  

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jsbt

jsbt

I've never doubted Kristina believes Ava pushed her. She's convinced herself of that. That's how memory works, and certainly it's how Kristina works.

7 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Gio has a banging body and it's too bad that we are currently in fall/winter that we can't have working at the pool and isn't in romance so we can sexy times. Unless he is like Brooklyn and has sex in a three piece suit.

Gio was fully dressed all summer! It's deranged.

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sashabear21

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8 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Gio has a banging body and it's too bad that we are currently in fall/winter that we can't have working at the pool and isn't in romance so we can sexy times. Unless he is like Brooklyn and has sex in a three piece suit.

Knowing this show, this will be how we find our BLQ is his real mom. Sonny knew Dante was his son because they both liked pasta, Luke knew Ethan was his son because they both held their whiskey glass the same way, BLQ and Gio will be related because they both have to dress like they're going on a Sherpa expedition in January before sexytimes.  

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Desperado

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I thought Maura West was great at playing Ava on the stand. Just enough of everything.

I wasn’t watching when Cyrus orchestrated Lulu’s accident so I was just happy to see him throw truth bombs at Lucky, especially the one about him being the only person visiting her because Laura was too busy and Lucky hadn’t. It was also nice to see the actors together in a scene and I hope to see more. 

I’m glad the writers haven’t wasted too much time having Lulu go around interacting with strangers. We still might see Tracy come upon her early next week - can’t wait for that one. 

Also happy to have GF back on our screen next week because her character has been missed.

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statsgirl

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Olivia is confusing Rocco with one of the younger kids for whom cookies are always irresistible. There are a lot of kids living at the Q mansion, so it's no wonder.

It's going to be irrelevant now that Lulu is back but Rocco being a teenager is just as bad. Leave it to Olivia to deliberately go against the parent's wishes just to score points. Maybe Dante has a reason for not wanting Rocco to have those cookies.

1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

He blames Kristina for Irene’s death, and whether he cared for Irene as his granddaughter, I don’t know, but he does care about Molly and her grief and wants Kristina to pay for it. 

So basically he is doing what he accuses Kristina of, wanting to make the person who hurt her and the baby pay. The difference is that Ava only cares how this affects her custody of Avery and Kristin is grieving as much if not more than Molly. She's a very easy target for Ric's attacks, and he doesn't care that Molly doesn't want Kristina hurt or that it could destroy their relationship. Molly is smart enough (I hope) that she knows that Ava being acquitted doesn't actually prove that she is innocent, just that Ric could convince 12 people that there isn't enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict her.

I really don't like Ric. His ego trip hurts too many people, Molly and Alexis as well as Kristina and Sonny.

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Winston Wolfe

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3 hours ago, Pingaponga said:
6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Chase and BLQ's "love" scene are fucking embarrassing. It was more than enough to see them running up the stairs with Chase taking off his jacket, there was no need to see them in bed trying to have a baby with BLQ dressed like it was Siberia in their bedroom. 

That's the thing. Seeing them in bed wasn't really necessary. We know what they were going to do, and if AS doesn't want to show anything then show them snuggling under the covers - we can imagine that she has undressed if she has the sheets up to her neck. But she's in two layers of clothing lying in bed next to Chase? Kinda takes you out of the scene.

Hey folks - I've got a great idea. From this point forward, let's refer to today's love scene between Chase and BLQ as "Burka Sex" in honor of the old TWoP days.

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JMO

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the majority of grandparents enjoy sneaking their grandchildren a treat or thirty.  It's their little secret---until the kids go home and spill the beans.

What is unrealistic about the GH scenario is the idea that Dante would be limiting the snacks of the son who is probably taller than he is by now.

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StaceyNotStacie

StaceyNotStacie

59 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

Knowing this show, this will be how we find our BLQ is his real mom. Sonny knew Dante was his son because they both liked pasta, Luke knew Ethan was his son because they both held their whiskey glass the same way, BLQ and Gio will be related because they both have to dress like they're going on a Sherpa expedition in January before sexytimes.  

If he didn’t have his violin with him, I would’ve laughed had Lulu thought he was Dante from behind.  
 

If the theory about Gio is true, I’m sort of looking forward to the reactions of Olivia, Ned and Tracy, especially if they take it out on Lois. 

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Nique

Nique

Cool I'm bored now 🤣😂James is savage! That's my boy if I had to listen and look at Spin talk I react the same way. My girl needs to correct her attitude towards that baby and stop being an itch towards him. James is never going to trust or tell her if anything is wrong or life threatening cause her default attitude is he is lying making things up and is going to just yell at him. If something goes wrong and she is the last to know she is going to be mad. Yeah James is a handful but he's also a boy who doesn't have a father and is stuck in a house with a male figure who's a clown and maturity of a 5 year old that no one takes seriously. A house full of girls and I'm the first to say that I was tired of him constantly being with Cody but no wonder he stays glued to him. His mamma act like her kids bother her like some nuances. Maxie needs to remember she was giving Mac and Felicia hell before she turnt 13. 

Someone needs to punch NotKristina in the face and push her off a cliff. I'm need Ric and Molly to drag Alexis and Sonny who treat Krissy as she made of glass, coddled and always running to clean up and sweep her crazy under the rug. Like she is incapable of facing the consequences of her actions. Kate Mansi was a huge mistake as Kristina one of the worst recast this show has ever had. All smug self righteousness no depth layers likeability or humanity. She's all robot with a set programming of me me me my baby my baby my baby. It's a 3 way tie between her, notdrew and wilted waffles as the worst characters on gh and daytime.

Of course bigot would lie on the stand for Scummy to protect his brat so she can take ride on the town whore 🙄 

They really want me to believe Chastelynn had both sex, made a baby with dressed up like an Eskimo in bed! Embarrassing, & as much as I like AS, she needs to shit or get off the pot cause this isn't workable as long as they want to portray her as a romantic lead in a marriage relationship🙄

Surprised by the end I didn't foresee Rocco being the first one to see his mom. Finn Carr is a star he was really good in that min scene with Alexa who I'm really liking

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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So it occurred to me that if Gio is BLQ and Dante's kid that he will be not only a Q down his mother's side with Tracy as his great grandmother, but that Sonny will be his grandfather since Dante is a Corinthos.

There is nothing sacred.

And Gio making those jokes and talking about BLQ and Chase trying to have a baby becomes even grosser. No child on God's green earth ever wants to know a thing about their parents making babies. Just no.

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dubbel zout

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11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I've never gotten the impression from Kristina's dialogue or KM's performance, that she's intentionally lying about what happened. It's been played, to me, like she fully believes Ava pushed her out that window. 

I see it slightly differently, that Kristina is so intent on getting revenge for the baby's demise that she believes Ava pushed her out the window. And she won't hear anything against it. There could be clear video of the entire thing and she'd still insist Ava was responsible.

10 hours ago, JMO said:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the majority of grandparents enjoy sneaking their grandchildren a treat or thirty.  It's their little secret---until the kids go home and spill the beans.

Rocco is a teenager. I know food is Olivia's love language, but at this point he'd probably appreciate being slipped a tenner instead of a cookie.

42 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

if Gio is BLQ and Dante's kid

UGH, UGH, UGH. We just had Sasha be a surprise kid. It hasn't given her a stronger tie to the canvas, IMO, and neither will Gio's parentage. These writers are so lazy and creatively bankrupt.

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absnow54

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

UGH, UGH, UGH. We just had Sasha be a surprise kid. It hasn't given her a stronger tie to the canvas, IMO, and neither will Gio's parentage. These writers are so lazy and creatively bankrupt.

I hope they only make Gio a Q and not Dante’s son. They’ve been dragging out this story out long enough, and between Sam dying and Lulu coming out of her coma, Dante has more than enough story right now that he doesn’t need a long lost secret child thrown into the mix. 

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driver18

driver18

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

UGH, UGH, UGH. We just had Sasha be a surprise kid. It hasn't given her a stronger tie to the canvas, IMO, and neither will Gio's parentage. These writers are so lazy and creatively bankrupt.

We've literally seen Sasha interacting with Felicia, and Mac and Felicia as family since finding out. The last two episodes were Sasha going to Maxie AS family, not as a friend, spending time not just with her, but her kid as well. When Sasha talked about being alone, Maxie told her she's not. She has Nina, herself, Mac, and Felicia. Felicia and Anna were talking and worrying about Sasha because she is their family now. 

All of that right there happened in the last month since we found out Sasha was Robert's daughter. I think the show is pretty crap overall, however, making her Robert's daughter has demonstrably so given her stronger ties to the canvas in an already very short time. 

Gio is a completely unmoored character. We're they to do this, at least it would give him an actual storyline and reason for taking up space and time on our screens.

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