Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[GeeGolly]

I wonder if she has POTS?

[3 is enough]

Maybe Michaela could help out.  She is good with the babies and she does have nursing training. 

[BitterApple]

I remember how useless Kelly and Gil were when Alyssa had her heart surgery. If Michael isn't available, it's best Carlin stay with the Stewarts. 

The whole thing is weird though. I mean, I don't think Carlin is faking it. She looks like hell and she's passing out in front of other people, but like Rootbeer said, she was perfectly fine during the San Diego trip. It's interesting how the symptoms miraculously disappear when fun is involved. Is there some sort of Munchausen's going on? 

Edited May 15, 2022 by BitterApple

[emmawoodhouse]

Can Addee drive? She could help with the kids and cooking while Evan is at work. If Addee doesn't drive, maybe Kelly can get off her lazy ass and drive her to Carlin's, and Evan can bring her home. 

[65mickey]

Evan probably knows that who bettter to look after Carlin than his parents? And there is a great hospital in Nashville, Vanderbilt Medical Center.  Carlin would not be first priority for Gil and Kelly. 

Edited May 15, 2022 by 65mickey

[Absolom]

Medically Carlin and the kids are better off in Nashville.  Evan's parents seem to be loving and responsible people who can handle the situation.

I wonder if her horrible health habits and eating habits are coming home to roost.  I tend toward hypoglycemia and if I don't sleep and eat the right way, then I get woozy and dizzy.  It may not be the root of her problem, but could exacerbate any other problem she has.  Sugared coffee drinks are really tough on some peoples' systems. 

[3 is enough]

Or she did have an episode in San Diego but they kept it to themselves so as not to provoke criticism for choosing to make the trip. 
I’m just glad they finally appear to be taking this seriously. I can’t imagine how scary and frustrating it must be to have all kinds of tests and no conclusive diagnosis.

[So unbelievable]

17 hours ago, So unbelievable said:

Will her stupid ass take it seriously when she passes out with no one around and drops her newborn?  

Glad to hear that Evan is finally thinking and voiced that this is a big possibility.  

I find it odd that it didn't happen in California.  Agree with others that they probably aren't mentioning it if she did and/or she is over reacting.  Really hate to think that.

[Dehumidifier]

29 minutes ago, So unbelievable said:

Glad to hear that Evan is finally thinking and voiced that this is a big possibility.  

I find it odd that it didn't happen in California.  Agree with others that they probably aren't mentioning it if she did and/or she is over reacting.  Really hate to think that.

If she is under eating or over dieting she may have eaten normally when with the family.

[cereality]

Evan has been married to Carlin for 3 yrs but has been on the scene w this family for 5.5 yrs. Long enough to know G&K are fair weather parents — when it’s time to get her nails done or run off on double dates or “business” trips or engagement trips to Maine, Kelly is all on board. When it’s actually stepping up and cooking for their adult child, watching/feeding their child, taking said child to mid day doctors appts so the husband can conserve his time off for bigger appointments, Kelly peaces out. G&K show up to aaww over the child and take a few IG pics that they can post as proof that they care/are worried, and then basically tell them (verbally or by action), well you have a husband, this is his problem. This is how G&K handled Alyssa having two heart procedures - basically left John to deal.

You know Evan 1000% feels safer with Carlin and his kids being with HIS parents and sisters. I’m sure he means no offense to Addie/Ellie/Callie - they 100% would watch Carlin + the kids, but he knows they are kids themselves and he doesn’t trust G&K’s judgment for deciding say when to take Carlin to the dr. I think he’d be more comfortable with his parents playing that role even from 3 hrs away. Hell when Carlin and Layla both ended up in the hospital in Knox after Layla’s birth, he asked HIS parents to come. 

If they find a quick solution here - say a procedure needs to be done ASAP - my guess is they’ll go to Vanderbilt and stay in Nash until she’s told she can leave. If this is a longer - go to a bunch of specialists to find an answer - then obv they can’t live 3 hrs from Evan forever. In that case I could see him reaching out to Michael - and she’ll be at their home or E will drop everyone off at their home 40 hrs/wk - and I can see Michael playing that mothering role to Carlin + the kids really well.

 

[crimson23]

I'm glad they are finally taking it seriously and taking all precautions.  Also good she is in Nashville with the inlaws...sometimes it just takes the right doctor to find the problem. 

[GeeGolly]

Carlin is her own worst enemy. Just like with The Boy Who Cried Wolf, too much drama leaves others doubting the seriousness of the situation. Carlin herself, is likely second guessing her symptoms.

I'm still going with my guess of POTS. I agree she shouldn't be left alone with the kids. Where every she ends up I hope they figure it out soon.

[Jeanne222]

I'm going with the not eating and not resting .  Both so hard on your body!

Giving birth is huge!  It does many things to your body.

Carlin never gave herself a chance to heal from childbirth.

Somebody needs to remove the camera for a month!

[ranchgirl]

22 hours ago, Absolom said:

clipped ..    I tend toward hypoglycemia and if I don't sleep and eat the right way, then I get woozy and dizzy.  It may not be the root of her problem, but could exacerbate any other problem she has.  Sugared coffee drinks are really tough on some peoples' systems. 

I agree with this.  I guess her blood work has ruled out becoming diabetic.   But I immediate though of hypoglycemia with the fainting and staying unconscious for longer time.  The heart monitor she is wearing now hopefully will provide some answers for them. 

I think she is drinking those sugary coffee drinks and those are filling her up and giving her energy so then she just eats a Sonic corn dog as her daily meal.  She's breastfeeding, so any good things in her body are going to Zade leaving her body needed much more.  

I see sister Michael being called in when she comes home.  

[65mickey]

Carlin posted on Instagram that Zade spit up his milk last night and pictures of Evan Cleaning off the comforter. Posters on Reddit speculated that he stayed in Nashville with her last night. I feel for this couple. It looks like when it rains it pours. Evan must be afraid to leave Carlin even with his parents. Or maybe they told him that he needed to be there in case Carlin had another passing out spell. Where are Kelli and Gil. If she were my daughter I would drop everything to be with her. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by 65mickey

[SMama]

Please to see Carlin and the kids will spend a few more days in Nashville. Evan’s parents look like the type to be able to offer much needed TLC to Carlin and the babies. Something G&K are incapable of providing. 

[65mickey]

They are either incapable or they just refuse to be there for their daughter. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by 65mickey

[SMama]

5 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

They are either incapable or they just refuse to be there for their daughter. 

They only show up for fun events. When there’s a need to really be there, like Alyssa’s surgeries, they show up for a photo op and leave whoever holding the bag. That is why I’m pleased Carlin and babies are in Nashville. It’s also a less chaotic environment and more conducive to rest. 

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, SMama said:

They only show up for fun events. When there’s a need to really be there, like Alyssa’s surgeries, they show up for a photo op and leave whoever holding the bag. That is why I’m pleased Carlin and babies are in Nashville. It’s also a less chaotic environment and more conducive to rest. 

I am glad too, but, I think Carlin is either an adrenaline junkie or someone who can't have a quiet moment so she will try and make chaos there too.

[emmawoodhouse]

She's proven that she's an extreme extrovert, and she can't quit SM. She probably wonders what would happen if she laid low for a week. Would people forget her and move on to the next greatest thing?

[SMama]

Evan is commuting to work. I thought it was just Carlin and the kids staying in Nashville. They are trying to get Carlin out and about so hopefully the monitor will pick up what’s going on (rather than having Carlin resting all day). 

[emmawoodhouse]

Evan is going to wear himself out. He needs to stay at the duplex and leave Carlin in his parents' capable hands.

[3 is enough]

She’s out with Evan tonight.  McDonalds and mini golf.  The doctors want her to get out and do normal activities to see if the heart monitor catches anything.  I guess resting won’t show any irregular activity.  
I had no idea Evan was commuting.  Hopefully she will be able to go home soon.  That’s not sustainable.

[emmawoodhouse]

Well, I guess that Vanderbilt >>> University of Tennessee. And of course, Evan's parents >>>>>>>>>>>>Gil and Kelly. Especially Kelly.

[Jeanne222]

Why doesn’t Carlin just lie down!

Why put a heart monitor on a person that’s passing out after childbirth and exhausted and tell them to move along!

Whatever happened to old fashioned bed rest???

[65mickey]

Because they want to see if something happens when she is going about her normal activities of everyday life.  The  episodes of passing out are not happening when when she is resting in bed. If something is happening to her heart when she is up and about they need to catch it on the monitor

[ginger90]

19 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Why doesn’t Carlin just lie down!

Why put a heart monitor on a person that’s passing out after childbirth and exhausted and tell them to move along!

Whatever happened to old fashioned bed rest???

Normal activity has been advised so the heart monitor can pick up any abnormalities. She was resting, while that’s ok, it can’t be all the time for the monitor to be useful.

 

[cereality]

As someone who has done these monitors periodically to keep track of a heart condition, yeah they don't advise bed rest or really any kind of rest with a heart monitor. They need to see what your heart is doing with regular activity because while you're lying down, chances are it's perfectly fine. Carlin should probably jump on a flight to Cali and pull two all nighters and then run all over Nashville eating Sonic and drinking Sbux continuously to simulate her actual activity . . . .

Thought it was an interesting shift in tone yesterday where Carlin said while going to McDonalds - who knows maybe I'll sleep a ton and it'll go away. Now I am NOT saying she doesn't have a cardiac condition - she very well might esp given Alyssa's history + it isn't just normal to pass out out of exhaustion. BUT maybe her and Evan are coming to the conclusion [maybe with his parents' help] that WHATEVER she has can only likely be made worse by the life she's living.

I mean girlfriend gets out of the ER at midnight last week, goes to the airport at 3 am, pulls a complete all nighter - awake for 24 hrs between travel + rehearsal dinner + hanging out with the fam until midnight Pacific time or 3 am EST; then wakes up at 5 am the day of the wedding bc Layla wakes up. Yet instead of just lounging bc they didn't have to be on the boat until 4 pm - NOPE MUST GO SIGHTSEEING bc I'll have major FOMO if my siblings all get pics at Gliderpoint + pics of eggs at the breakfast place and I don't. Then wedding, staying up until midnight after the wedding with Joy. Flight wasn't until 6 pm so instead of having a leisurely morning at the hotel, nope must go early to stop in LA at various office parks and do lame photo shoots. Then delayed flight gets into Nash at 3 AM on Sat. But nope gotta go to the preschool nephew's baseball game on Saturday + throw Evan a graduation party [granted a nothing party where his mom picked up a cake and Evan himself was carrying a stack of pizzas]. But WTF?! She's honestly been living as if she's a medical resident/junior banker/big city law firm associate - if I don't work these hours, I'll get fired; and even those people while they work hard + play hard, realize that when it's time to sleep you MUST sleep - prob bc you have to be functional the next day not just take pics of your pancakes or 1000 pics of yourself on some random hill in LA.

Have they said Evan is commuting? Haven’t seen that anywhere but here. He can’t do that more than 1-2x/wk max as it’d mean 6 hrs of commuting in a day + I believe he works 10 hr days (at least that’s what apprenticing was 4 10 hr days w Friday off). Did he really do a 16 hr day yesterday and then take her to McDs + mini golf after getting back around 8 pm at the earliest bc she’s supposed to be out and about?!

He’s a union electrician. If they need to be/prefer to be in Nash for a few weeks, he should see if his bosses can get him on an ongoing construction/electrical job in Nash. Though that may mean seeing that job thru for 3-8 wks or whatever since they’ve done you a huge favor not just taking the favor and next week being like ok Carlin is well rested and should be fine, we’re gonna go back to Knox.

Edited May 17, 2022 by cereality

[BitterApple]

I wish the best for them, but God, what an absolute mess. Carlin really isn't doing herself any favors with this ridiculous pace. And of course they went and got shitty fast food at McDonald's. Even Panera Bread or something along those lines would be a healthier option. Hopefully Carlin can get some kind of diagnosis because I don't know how much longer they can continue like this. 

[SMama]

They said more than once in their stories that Evan needed to return to Knoxville on Monday to work. If he is taking time off they have not disclosed that. 
 

[cereality]

Evan said he WOULD take time off if there wasn't any family to help with Carlin + the kids but if they COULD help and he could not take the time off, that'd be preferred. Chances are with him being there yesterday, it's probably a compromise - Evan stays with Carlin in Nash for an extra day or two using time off just to make sure she's ok, so he doesn't leave his parents with an emergency situation; and if she has no episodes he leaves w/ her staying with mom and dad, works the rest of the week, and returns on Friday; or depending on whether she has specialist drs. appts coming up in Nash, maybe she even drops off her heart monitor to be analyzed and leaves with him.

I think Evan has time off but it's very limited. Back in Jan when the Bates ski trip came up he explicitly said he needed to save the time off for the birth, and since then he's used a week for Zade's birth + a few days for Law's wedding. He's a new employee - can't imagine he's accrued that much time off yet in the last few months; and this doesn't sound like a job where you get x amount of time off on day one to be used however/whenever. He is smart to conserve the time where he can - what if Carlin needs extensive specialists appointments or med care, it'll be more important to be there for that than for just hanging out with her.

I imagine she will try to make chaos at his parents' house but probably won't gain any traction. His parents are empty nesters now, so it really is just them + her all day. He has a few sisters nearby but at least one of them works at a local hospital and they all have kids and what look to be "proper" households -- i.e. meals on the table when their husbands get home etc., so they can't just run with Carlin all day from nail salons to outlet malls to Starbucks and then when their husbands and kids get home, it's time for Chick Fil A. So when she commented yesterday that all she's done is lay on the couch or in bed - yeah prob bc there isn't much else to do besides lay around. That + whatever meals Evan's mom cooks is going to do her a world of good no matter what her condition is. Doesn't even mean Evan's mom has to put out massive fancy meals - but I do imagine she and her husband eat regular balanced meals that aren't Sonic, so there's a plus for Carlin.

[emmawoodhouse]

20 minutes ago, SMama said:

They said more than once in their stories that Evan needed to return to Knoxville on Monday to work. If he is taking time off they have not disclosed that. 
 

How else could he have been in Nashville before sunset? Maybe he went back to work today?

[65mickey]

Carlin is back in the ER for the 4th time. She passed out again and this time according to Evan she was having seizures. He said her hands went numb  I don't see how she can be left alone at all. I feel so sorry for what they are going through. They must be scared to death. 

[emmawoodhouse]

This was probably the worst one yet. They said that Evan's dad caught her as she went down. IMO, she is seriously ill.

She's talking about POTS. Also needs an EEG, but wherever they are now doesn't do them. They plan to make appointments with a cardiologist and neurologist.

[SMama]

Mean thing to say but I’m glad she was in Nashville. Evan’s dad caught her. Carlin quipped that when someone doesn’t manage to catch her it’s going to hurt. I felt terrible when Evan said he feels like he can’t be more than five feet away from her. This is a lot and I hope a diagnosis is made soon. 

[BitterApple]

Has she been admitted or do they just keep sending her home?

Edited May 18, 2022 by BitterApple

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Has she been admitted or do they just keep sending her home?

They didn't say. But as I noted above, wherever they are now doesn't have the testing capabilities she needs. 

[3 is enough]

I really hope they get some answers soon.  This has to be terrifying for them.  

[andromeda331]

That's horrible. I hope she's okay.

[cereality]

Thank goodness for Evan’s dad. They were at a nephew’s baseball game and E&C went specifically to get her out of the house after a day of resting - just to see if her cardiac monitor picked up anything. Baseball game may mean sitting on bleachers or maybe she was standing as Evan said she was getting something from the diaper bag but her father in law was right there. Evan rightfully seems scared saying I can’t be more than 5 ft away and Carlin rightfully seems down/sad - as she was apparently telling Evan not to let the ambulance take her.

Hope they get answers ASAP. How are G&K watching this from the same state and not being like that’s it we’re driving over to see you?! Maybe they feel they can’t bc she’s with her in-laws but the amount of $$ they spend on Airbnbs usually come on — like no one is saying they have to be houseguests at her in-laws’ home. Hopefully she has something that’s a fixable problem and it never recurs. If it ends up being something though where they’ll have to keep an eye on her health, I really want to see them living in Nash bc clearly his parents will support them. E can work anywhere in the state now and while they’d be sad to sell their house, it is just a house - it’s nothing compared to health or family support.

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by cereality

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

They didn't say. But as I noted above, wherever they are now doesn't have the testing capabilities she needs. 

Sounds like she was maybe at urgent care or a county/small hospital type place where the EEG techs work 8 to 5 type hours.  

I hope they figure this out soon. 

[emmawoodhouse]

She was transported by ambulance, so they likely took her to the closest hospital. Apparently not Vanderbilt this time. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[cereality]

So looks like they are leaving the ER as they posted at midnight. Looks like whatever testing they did tonight shows the blood levels/markers pointing to seizures is up — but they won’t have answers until they see a neurologist. Carlin seems off in the way she’s speaking - she’s being sarcastic + likely is exhausted but it’s the speech that seems off not just the attitude. Walking thru the parking lot Evan is literally holding her so she won’t fall. It’s been rough for them - you can see it in both their faces even though Evan appears to be putting on a good face for Carlin right now.

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, cereality said:

So looks like they are leaving the ER as they posted at midnight. Looks like whatever testing they did tonight shows the blood levels/markers pointing to seizures is up — but they won’t have answers until they see a neurologist. Carlin seems off in the way she’s speaking - she’s being sarcastic + likely is exhausted but it’s the speech that seems off not just the attitude. Walking thru the parking lot Evan is literally holding her so she won’t fall. It’s been rough for them - you can see it in both their faces even though Evan appears to be putting on a good face for Carlin right now.

Isn't Nashville CST? I thought they were an hour behind Knoxville. Still, they didn't admit her. Again. I hope they have some referrals in hand.

[65mickey]

Nashville is on Central Time. My daughter went to Vanderbilt.  Evan does a good job of trying to keep calm I am sure for Carlin. But last night when they were in the ER and he made that comment about not being 5' away from Carlin, he looked like he was on the edge of breaking down. As a mother I cannot fathom why Kelly is not there. I would be out of my mind with worry about my child.    My heart breaks for these two. 

[MargeGunderson]

Why in the world are they posting this basically in real time? Christ on a cracker, put down the phones while you are in the emergency room! 

[65mickey]

Maybe is takes her mind off of what's going on with her. Rather than lie there and wait for test results and get upset with fear and worry she posts on Instagram. 

[BitterApple]

8 hours ago, cereality said:

 Carlin seems off in the way she’s speaking - she’s being sarcastic + likely is exhausted but it’s the speech that seems off not just the attitude. 

It sounded like Carlin was slurring her words and stumbling as she was walking. I know hospitals are stretched thin due to covid, but I'm really surprised they didn't keep her overnight. I'm also concerned by how long it may take to get an appointment with a specialist. Where I live, doctors are booked up for months. 

Carlin and Evan also have some major decisions to make with regards to where she'll receive care. At this point she can't be left alone with those kids and she can't drive. Evan has to get back to work and needs the peace of mind knowing that whoever Carlin is with has sound judgment. I'm not sure that describes the Bates family. 

[65mickey]

Hopefully the physicians at the hospital are making the referrals to specialists. They will be able to get her an appointment much quicker than Evan or Carlin can get an appointment.  As far as not admitting her it could be that her insurance will not cover Inpatient treatment for diagnostic care. She is probably much better off at home with the support and care of Evan and his parents.

[AgathaC]

That is absolutely terrifying. One of my young nieces has been having seizures for three years and has had full batteries of tests with no diagnosis. For a while, her parents took turns sleeping in her bed because they were terrified she would have one in the night. And seeing someone suddenly having a seizure (whether it’s convulsions on the ground or the person standing or sitting there, struggling to talk and unable to do more than make odd noises). So I’ve had a front row seat to that level of fear. But, as I said, they’ve seen all kinds of specialists and no one can tell them why this happens with her, though medication seems to have it under control. Hopefully, C and E can get some sort of answers or at least a treatment/management plan that works. It’s apparent something is very wrong.