All Episodes Talk: Let’s Talk About Dr Phil the Show

[charmed1]

There’s going to be an update on Sexy Vegan. I would love to see if he’s working at a regular job but stuck with those blue eyebrows and Sexy Vegan tattoos. Like Sexy Vegan the barista. Or Sexy Vegan the Tier I Help Desk tech. “Hi, this is Sexy Vegan, can I first start off with your first name and the number on the account you’re calling about?”

Edited January 30, 2018 by charmed1

[iHateAmpersands]

8 hours ago, charmed1 said:

There’s going to be an update on Sexy Vegan. I would love to see if he’s working at a regular job but stuck with those blue eyebrows and Sexy Vegan tattoos. Like Sexy Vegan the barista. Or Sexy Vegan the Tier I Help Desk tech. “Hi, this is Sexy Vegan, can I first start off with your first name and the number on the account you’re calling about?”

 

According to the Dr. Phil website, it's been replaced with the episode that was supposed to air on Thursday (titled "Exclusive: Deadly Michigan Rock Throwing: Father of One of the Accused Teens Speaks Out"); Thursday's episode is now about a girl obsessed with someone she's never met, the first in a two-part episode).

Edited January 31, 2018 by iHateAmpersands

[MrSmith]

11 hours ago, iHateAmpersands said:

According to the Dr. Phil website, it's been replaced with the episode that was supposed to air on Thursday (titled "Exclusive: Deadly Michigan Rock Throwing: Father of One of the Accused Teens Speaks Out"); Thursday's episode is now about a girl obsessed with someone she's never met, the first in a two-part episode).

Oh, Christ. What the hell does the father of one of the accused teens think he's going to be able to say? You can't defend the indefensible. Even if his child didn't throw any rocks, they were there and they participated insofar as they chose not to intervene and keep their friends (or "friends"?) from doing something that all of them probably knew was wrong before they even did it.

[patty1h]

The rock throwers father had the "my kid is a good kid" goggles on tight.  His little angel was perfect and never did anything wrong -- he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and people are judging him too harshly.  His kid doesn't deserve such harsh prison term, cause he's a good kid, damnit! 

 I understand you love the boy but you gotta face reality.  I'm judging him because a man is dead and he was part of it. 

[Gam2]

I don’t even understand the point of today’s show. What did Shill expect to accomplish by interviewing the dad of one of those boys? Nothing new as far as the case, dad defends his son for the most part, nothing resolved. I’d much rather have seen the blue tattooed guy who was nutty was a fruitcake. 

[Toaster Strudel]

Add my voice to the chorus of throw them in jail for 1st degree murder and hit them with the maximum sentence. "the teens threw a tire, chair, shopping cart, and other objects off various local overpasses in the month leading up to the death of 32-year-old Keith White." It was a continuing pattern.

As for them being 16-18 years of age. Even an 8 year old can figure that the only thing that can come of this behavior is a deadly accident. People drive on highways at 60 mph+. They can drive over a big rock and capsize, causing a big pile up. They can suddenly swerve, hit other cars. Or be smashed in the face directly by the falling object. There is literally nothing good that can come off this.  Only a juvenile delinquent with a penchant for malice would get kicks out of that.

He wasn't the youngest one. Didn't Phil say there was an 18 yr old? There wasn't. And Mikaydyn wasn't even the youngest. Kyle Anger, 17; Alex Miller, 15; Mark Sekelsky, 16; Mikaydyn Payne, 16; and Trevor Gray, 15.

The "little angel" had a month, or weeks, to figure this out and walk away.

I'm really looking forward to tomorrow's defiant, wide-eyed, tear-less ginger meltdown.

Edited January 31, 2018 by Toaster Strudel

[Maricopa]

9 hours ago, MrSmith said:

You can't defend the indefensible.

I'm with you. And apparently Dr. Phil's relative was severely wounded (burns over 70% of her body) as a similar attack. Oh how hilarious, kids...how do you feel now after prison for possibly forever?

[Gam2]

I can’t wait to see that clueless girl get her comeuppance from Shill. I haven’t been a fan of his for a long time (although I do still watch his show sometimes) but her “act” will be worth watching. “You brought on someone I explicitly TOLD you not to”. Oh, honey. You just bought yourself a heap of trouble. 

[sol y luna]

5 hours ago, patty1h said:

The rock throwers father had the "my kid is a good kid" goggles on tight.  His little angel was perfect and never did anything wrong -- he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and people are judging him too harshly.  His kid doesn't deserve such harsh prison term, cause he's a good kid, damnit! 

 I understand you love the boy but you gotta face reality.  I'm judging him because a man is dead and he was part of it. 

I really hope his son gets a really harsh prison term along with the other 4. The father was a typical, idiot, clueless "my son never did anything wrong" parent. The clueless girlfriend agreed - not surprising.

[Wings]

I missed how they were caught if they mentioned it.  They went to eat at MacDonalds after they killed the man. They probably didnt realize they they killed someone right away. Did someone spot them running, did they get a tip?

[MrSmith]

Oh, that's cute. The kid's attorney believes it will come out that his client was "minimally involved". He also believes that teenagers shouldn't be punished as adults because their brains aren't done growing.

First of all, I don't give a damn whether that kid threw the rock or stood there and watched. The fact of the matter is that all five of those little fuckers know right from wrong; they knew it then and they know it now. And they damned sure knew it was wrong to throw rocks of any size onto the freeway. As far as I'm concerned, they all deserve 20 to life with a minimum of 20 years in prison before they're eligible for parole. If they never get parole, I'd be fine paying the taxes required to keep their asses in prison until they're old and frail. At which point I think it would be perfectly fair to release them and force them to go into debt paying for their own medical expenses and burials.

Second, it doesn't matter whether their brains are done growing or not. Once again, they knew then and they know now the difference between right and wrong. And that's what matters: They knew what they were doing was wrong and they did it anyway. I don't care if they claim they didn't think anyone could die as a result of their actions - because it's a lie, a bold-faced lie. If they didn't think anyone could die, then why were they throwing rocks? They clearly expected people to swerve and possibly lose control. With all the car crash videos on YouTube, they damned sure knew the various possible outcomes of people swerving. No matter what their excuses are, they're all bullshit lies and poor attempts to cover these kids' asses now that they've managed to kill someone. They're damned lucky we don't live in a society where "eye for an eye" is the law, because I'd be in a big damned hurry to help stone their asses to death. The world and society are better off without these kinds of people.

[Jax7917]

I don't know, I didn't think the dad was defending him. He admitted that what happened was terrible and that his son should be punished, even go to jail... just not for life . But what was he gonna say?, "throw my son in jail for the rest of his life?"... It's easy to say about another person's kid, but probably not something any parent of your own child would say. 

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, a life was lost for no reason other than idiotic kids being careless assholes. This innocent man died and they deserve to go to jail/have a harsh punishment. However, life in prison? I don't know. I do agree that a 16 year old should know the basic right and wrongs.. but at the end of the day, a 16 year old kid is still a child, hence they can't make their own decisions in life or vote, join the army, etc. I think they should give the kids (other than the 18 year old) a few years in prison and required community service for after they get out of prison. It's hard though, because if I were the man's fiance/children/parents, I would want them to suffer for life. 

[MrSmith]

I understand what you're saying, but when it's as simple and basic and obvious as "don't throw rocks", they deserve life in prison. Every. Single. One. Of. Them. As far as I'm concerned, they deserve to have to stand there and let the relatives of the man they killed (and anyone they may have injured) each throw as many rocks at each of them as they admit to throwing at cars.

[Toaster Strudel]

Ginger meltdown... well that was not at all what I expected.

It really bugs me when Dr Phil holds a guest with a clear psychiatric condition (delusions, erotomania, paranoid ideation) to the same standards as someone who is mentally normal, but misguided. She's seeing signs everywhere, "things are moving," stalking an unreciprocated "love" interest, praying to some double head of Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington. She has built a huge web of religious thinking, with the object of her obsession being a parent, a lover, who is everywhere, in her thoughts, and constantly sending her secret messages.

I'm not sure I believe the stories of cancer medication for an 'unviable' pregnancy, multiple attacks... this girl is cray.

It's a two-parter, and they'll let the stalker meet the stalkee? Such a terrible idea.

[poeticlicensed]

2 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Ginger meltdown... well that was not at all what I expected.

It really bugs me when Dr Phil holds a guest with a clear psychiatric condition (delusions, erotomania, paranoid ideation) to the same standards as someone who is mentally normal, but misguided. She's seeing signs everywhere, "things are moving," stalking an unreciprocated "love" interest, praying to some double head of Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington. She has built a huge web of religious thinking, with the object of her obsession being a parent, a lover, who is everywhere, in her thoughts, and constantly sending her secret messages.

I'm not sure I believe the stories of cancer medication for an 'unviable' pregnancy, multiple attacks... this girl is cray.

It's a two-parter, and they'll let the stalker meet the stalkee? Such a terrible idea.

IT A with everything. Also phil said he wasn't going to have Jasmine meet her stalker face to face, but in the previews it looks like he does exactly that. 

[Jax7917]

I think Dr. Phil has lost his mind. The guy is so egotistical and always has to tell everyone how HE has the power, and NOT the producers or anyone else. We get it . It's called the Dr. Phil show. I actually felt the most bad for the producer in the situation because he didn't really defend her, he just belittled her by saying she doesn't hold the power. And you're kicking a guest off stage for acting crazy? I thought you're the least judgmental person anyone has ever met? I can't stand when he says that. He is actually one of the most judgmental people I've seen.. but okay. 

I can just tell Dr. Phil is a severe asshole in real life. I don't get the feeling it's just a part he plays.

[flyingdi]

1 hour ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I think Dr. Phil has lost his mind. The guy is so egotistical and always has to tell everyone how HE has the power, and NOT the producers or anyone else. We get it . It's called the Dr. Phil show. I actually felt the most bad for the producer in the situation because he didn't really defend her, he just belittled her by saying she doesn't hold the power. And you're kicking a guest off stage for acting crazy? I thought you're the least judgmental person anyone has ever met? I can't stand when he says that. He is actually one of the most judgmental people I've seen.. but okay. 

I can just tell Dr. Phil is a severe asshole in real life. I don't get the feeling it's just a part he plays.

He say he's nonjudgmental but he also says he sees most things in black and white. Funny I always thought psychology was about shades of gray?

[Toaster Strudel]

2 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

And you're kicking a guest off stage for acting crazy?

And one that was invited because she is crazy.

[Tenarife60]

5 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

IT A with everything. Also phil said he wasn't going to have Jasmine meet her stalker face to face, but in the previews it looks like he does exactly that. 

Yes, because Dr. Phil was on The Talk and he said they meet and it isn't what you would expect.  I wonder if that means Bailey and Jasmine walk off into the sunset hand in hand.

[iHateAmpersands]

Next week's episodes from Zap2It (subject to change):
 

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2/5: Accusations of Lies, Child Sex Abuse, and Stalking (originally scheduled to air on 2/2)

Crystal accuses her ex-boyfriend of sexually assaulting their 3-year-old daughter; he says she is crazy and a liar, and that she and her mother coached the child into making horrific claims.

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2/6: Shocking Accusations of Child Sexual Abuse: Searching for the Truth

Dr. Phil continues his conversation with Crystal, who accuses her ex-boyfriend Anthony of sexually assaulting their 3-year-old daughter at least twice in 2016; Crystal's mother, Barbara, is added to the conversation.

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2/7: Help! My 21-Year-Old Daughter Is a Homeless Escort Neglecting Her Son

Ivey says that when her mother found out she was working as an escort, she told her she had to leave home -- but without her baby; her mother says she is desperate for Ivey to get out of the dangerous lifestyle and stop being a deadbeat parent.

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2/8: My Mom Is Delusional! She Thinks She's Married to Tyler Perry and Has Sent Her Catfish $100,000!

Karla has lost custody of two of her children and is blowing through her retirement fund to please her online "husband," who she thinks is film industry legend Tyler Perry.

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2/9: Two Sisters Confront Their Mom Who Says She's Married to Tyler Perry: Can Karla Be Convinced She Was Scammed

Kourtney and Kelly continue trying to convince their mother, Karla, that she's not Mrs. Tyler Perry, but the victim of an online scammer.

 

[seacliffsal]

Just finished the second part of Bailey and Jasmine.  Bailey thinks Jasmine has been sending her secret messages and that they are in love.

During the second hour of Bailey's story, she very quickly agreed that there wasn't a real relationship between the two of them and had been misguided in this belief.  I think Bailey realized what Dr. Phil thought and just started changing her answers to meet his expectations.  She was too quick to change from "love of my life" to "I have been living in a fantasy."  She needs a LOT of help.

[Gam2]

This show was just all kinds of stupid. I felt sorry for Jasmine. She was so tolerant and kind to this nut job.

[Toaster Strudel]

Jasmine isn't as innocent a she was presented to be. She posted some of Bailey's nude pictures on her business FB page and had the audacity to complain that her FB page was deleted.

[Wings]

13 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Jasmine isn't as innocent a she was presented to be. She posted some of Bailey's nude pictures on her business FB page and had the audacity to complain that her FB page was deleted.

She did that to make Bailey angry and leave her alone.  It was a plan that failed. 

You could see Bailey going from being in the fantasy to appearing to be in the present but she really wasn't.  She was saying what she thought Phil wanted.  

I would love to see a follow up on this one. 

Edited February 3, 2018 by Wings

[Wings]

6 hours ago, Gam2 said:

This show was just all kinds of stupid. I felt sorry for Jasmine. She was so tolerant and kind to this nut job.

I loved this one because it was a break from addicts and sexual abuse!

[seacliffsal]

The more I think about it (and yes, I'm spending way too much time thinking about it...), the more I think that Dr. Phil should NEVER have Jasmine and Bailey on the stage at the same time.  Bailey got EXACTLY what she wanted.  Had Bailey been a male stalking Jasmine (or another female), I think that Dr. Phil would have treated it differently.  I think Dr. Phil was bamboozled by Bailey's innocent and confused act (there, I said it-I think most of it was an act), and therefore allowed the stalker and the stalkee on the stage at the same time.  There is nothing innocent about driving 14 hours to find one's "true love."  Sending nude photos of oneself (Bailey!) to a non-consenting individual IS sexual harassment.  I think Phil really missed it and I think Bailey needs more help than anyone is offering to her.

[Wings]

I thought it was smart of him to put them on stage together.  Had he talked to them separately it  would have given her fantasy more fuel to feed the elusive and cryptic relationship in her head.  

I don't believe she was acting her fantasy.  She was acting like she finally understood and did a fake apology that fooled no one. 

Also it was Jasmine who contacted Dr Phil out of fear and desperation. Baily's behavior has been going on for a long time. 

Edited February 3, 2018 by Wings

[Dakisela]

When did the pot smoking manifest itself???

[charmed1]

6 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

The more I think about it (and yes, I'm spending way too much time thinking about it...), the more I think that Dr. Phil should NEVER have Jasmine and Bailey on the stage at the same time.  Bailey got EXACTLY what she wanted.  Had Bailey been a male stalking Jasmine (or another female), I think that Dr. Phil would have treated it differently.  I think Dr. Phil was bamboozled by Bailey's innocent and confused act (there, I said it-I think most of it was an act), and therefore allowed the stalker and the stalkee on the stage at the same time.  There is nothing innocent about driving 14 hours to find one's "true love."  Sending nude photos of oneself (Bailey!) to a non-consenting individual IS sexual harassment.  I think Phil really missed it and I think Bailey needs more help than anyone is offering to her.

A thousand likes for this post. I also noted that Bailey’s mother seemed to have zero compassion or sympathy for Jasmine. Could barely muster a half assed greeting when she came on stage. Everything was “my child.” What about Jasmine’s mother and grandmother? Your child was freaking stalking their child. Drove 14 hours to do god knows what to their child. How do you think they feel? And you begged Jasmine not to call the police, although having your daughter in police custody would’ve been the safest option for her and her victim at that time. That mother should’ve been kissing Jasmine’s feet. I hope that Phillip offered Jasmine resources to help her deal with the psychological effects of being stalked by this woman. She’s clearly still very much affected by it.

[parrotfeathers]

8 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

The more I think about it (and yes, I'm spending way too much time thinking about it...), the more I think that Dr. Phil should NEVER have Jasmine and Bailey on the stage at the same time.  Bailey got EXACTLY what she wanted.  Had Bailey been a male stalking Jasmine (or another female), I think that Dr. Phil would have treated it differently.  I think Dr. Phil was bamboozled by Bailey's innocent and confused act (there, I said it-I think most of it was an act), and therefore allowed the stalker and the stalkee on the stage at the same time.  There is nothing innocent about driving 14 hours to find one's "true love."  Sending nude photos of oneself (Bailey!) to a non-consenting individual IS sexual harassment.  I think Phil really missed it and I think Bailey needs more help than anyone is offering to her.

I think the very intelligent Bailey knows exactly what she was saying to Dr. Phil--just what he wanted to hear.  I don't believe for one minute she is going to leave Jasmine alone.  I think meeting her was the best ending ever for her (Bailey).  By the way, is this Jasmine someone famous or just a plain person?

And another thing--why didn't Dr. Phil suggest to her that she pray to God instead of Morgan Freeman or Denzel Washington?  How could you get those 3 confused?

Edited February 3, 2018 by parrotfeathers

[Jax7917]

It was annoying the crap out of me when she kept calling him " Morgan FreeDman" .. if you're praying to him as a God at least know his name 

[Gam2]

I think we’re seeing a real decline in Phil’s capabilities. His stiffness, his searching for words, looking down instead of at the people on the stage and just overall being slow on the uptake. He’s sending people to one of these recovery places on almost every show. Perhaps his years of playing football have resulted in the kind of brain damage we’re seeing on the news. I certainly hope not as that is a horrible thing to have to deal with but it’s past time that he retired and found new jobs for his 300 on staff. Robin can sell more of her crap to support them if that’s a problem (HUGE SARCASM there). 

[Madding crowd]

Dr Phil made me so angry today I wanted to throw something at the scream. He has some kind of pathological hatred of women, mothers in particular, that he cannot be impartial. The woman today came on the show stating her child was sexually abused her father. She had medical reports which said "suspected sexiual abuse" plus her daughter told her in explicit terms she had been raped. 

Now, i don't now if this woman was telling the truth or not-but neither does Phil. For someone who is a supposed mandatory reporter, he doesn't seem to get that you need to believe the child unless proven otherwise. He was more interested in yelling at the woman over and over: You have no proof, you have no proof. Sometimes there is no definitive proof-the standard is to get CPS involved and take it seriously. It would be very unusual for a child with no previous medical history and with her verbal story, to be lying. Phil was more interested in yelling and calling the woman a bad mother. Again, I understand that this woman may not be telling the truth-but his disregard for this little girl was appalling. 

[seacliffsal]

My understanding was that the mother claimed the medical reports clearly stated that the doctors found evidence of sexual abuse.  However, the doctors only noted that in the part of the report where nurses/doctors write down patients' concerns before they actually examine the patient.  For example, I went in to my doctor two weeks ago as I believe I had the flu.  It was duly noted that I thought I had the flu.  I was then examined and they took some moisture out of my nose in order to conduct an actual test as to whether or not I had the flu.  After the test results came back, the doctor then diagnosed me as having the flu.  Not based on what I said, but based on an examination and test.  The reports that the mother gave to Dr. Phil contained her opinion that there had been sexual abuse, but the doctor(s) did not necessarily find evidence of that.  For one thing, the mom waited a week before taking the daughter to the doctor.

This will be further discussed and disclosed on the second episode tomorrow.  Dr. Phil may not be working in the interest of the child, but he hasn't gone over all of what the mother claims is evidence at this point.  I am so tired of all of these two-day episodes as they wouldn't need two days if they didn't keep showing the same scenes over and over without providing new discussions and scenes.  It seems like there are whole segments that just repeat what we saw in an earlier segment.

[Madding crowd]

The mother only stated that because Phil was yelling at her over and over "Where is the proof, where is the proof". I would be concerned about my young child no matter what "proof" Dr. Phil deems is appropriate. And why did he ask the boyfriend "Don't you like the way this is going?" He clearly was biased against the mother. In other shows he has said that a woman who even suspects abuse should immediately remove the child from the abuse or he will report her. He changes his views as the wind blows-always in favor of anyone but the mother. I think he has deep seated anger at his mother for something, and I will never believe otherwise. Maybe he should get therapy for his anger issues. 

[ClareWalks]

I don't know WTF is going on with today's episode, I'm only halfway through it, but this dude has Resting Smirk Face that is really not helping his case. Plus he keeps screaming that nobody can prove anything, which isn't really the same as saying "I'm innocent."

[hoosiermom]

I believe Dr. Phil was only pointing out that there was NO medical report stating she had been sexually abused and that it is unfair for the mother to state unequivocally that he had sexually abused her and should go to prison with no physical proof. He did say you can never ignore the word of a child. From what was hinted at today, I think he will present evidence of coaching tomorrow.

[Gam2]

I agree that the mother today has coached her daughter to get back at the boyfriend with whom she had a child. There was no medical evidence to prove that the child had been sexually abused. There was no reason to have that shouting, awful grandmother on the stage. I couldn’t stand one person on that stage today including Shill. As I’ve stated before, Shill has become a shell of his former self. He keeps repeating himself, keeps going to break, keeps drinking water and can barely lift his head to look at his guests although he seems to be able to look into the camera to call for the next break. And every damn show goes so long that they have to continue on to the next show!! How unexpected! Except that it happens all of the time now. BLECH.

[b2H]

I believe the boyfriend, based on the evidence thus far presented.   She and her mother are not the most honest people.  Where does a three year old get the language that was used to describe the event?   Most of the guys that are accused seem to be cleared than those that aren’t.   I will be surprised if, at the end of this all, he isn’t completely vindicated.

[ClareWalks]

If this kid has hemorrhoids it's entirely possible the "he put his finger in my butt, it burns" was a reference to him applying a cream and the burning of the hemorrhoids. It's telling that the mom and grandma are extremely gungho that it MUST be sexual abuse. It's like they'd be disappointed if it wasn't. "Are you calling my granddaughter a liar?!" No, but she could be describing something totally non-sexual happening.

[parrotfeathers]

The first reason Dr. Phil has doubts in this case is the very concerned and horrified mother waiting over 2 weeks to go to the doctor and report it to the police. 

At least Grandma finally admitted there was no "medical evidence" there.

No telling what will happen tomorrow.  Dr. Phil never said not to believe a child initially.   He just wonders why mom waiting so long.  That, in and of itself, could be considered child abuse by some people's standards.

[wheresmypizza]

Diaper rash and hemorrhoids? Sounds like a neglectful mama who leaves dirty diapers on all day. Yelly Dad may be a douche, but I don't for a minute think he's an abuser. Clearly mama didn't either since it took her forever to formulate a plan. Dad probably probed it with a Q-tip or something going wtf? Isn't that kind of what the kid herself was saying?

[PortaBella]

The father today was having his character assassinated, as Phil himself said, by two shrill, out of control women. Yet the man is told to SHUT UP in a real classy move by Phil. It would take a super human effort to sit there and resist the primal instinct to defend yourself and when he did fail at keeping himself silent and dared to speak after being scolded, Phil leaned back with a big eye-roll/exasperated sigh. He is usually the biggest drama queen on that stage. I also had to chuckle when the dad said his child’s grandmother was 64, and she was appalled and corrected him that she’s actually 60. Lady, if I were you, I would have gone with 64 because you look more like 74. 60 was pretty unbelievable, although given her smokers voice and apparent hard livin’, I’d buy it. 

[Madding crowd]

Phil really has no business handing any stories involving kids. He no longer has a license to practice, is not up to date on child abuse or anything else. He cares only about ratings and being respected. He has zero interest in actually listening to people and just wants to explode while his adoring audience cheers. 

[Toaster Strudel]

With so many mothers turning a blind eye to sexual abuse of their children, why is $hill having so many episodes about mothers coaching children? It's really not helping.

[CaughtOnTape]

16 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

The mother only stated that because Phil was yelling at her over and over "Where is the proof, where is the proof". I would be concerned about my young child no matter what "proof" Dr. Phil deems is appropriate. And why did he ask the boyfriend "Don't you like the way this is going?" He clearly was biased against the mother. In other shows he has said that a woman who even suspects abuse should immediately remove the child from the abuse or he will report her. He changes his views as the wind blows-always in favor of anyone but the mother. I think he has deep seated anger at his mother for something, and I will never believe otherwise. Maybe he should get therapy for his anger issues. 

I dunno what you were watching, but all of this is so opposite of what I saw I can't even begin to explain it.

The mother was insane and never once did she squeeze a tear out of her eyes though she really wanted Dr. Phil to "help my daughter".  Help her daughter by getting her away from her mother.  She needed to be told she was batshit insane and if he's the one to do it.  So be it.

You seem to forget that she's the one who wrote the show.  She did this for attention.  If anyone had an ax to grind?  It was her against her boyfriend.  She wanted him to go down and coached her daughter into telling her what she wanted to hear.  She wouldn't listen to basic reason and rationale and just kept deflecting as did her mother.  If that father is smart, he'll take the evidence Dr. Phil handed him and get custody of his kid with supervised visitation for her mother ASAP. 

Women like her should be thrown in jail for false accusations of sexual assault.  There is nothing that bugs me more than women who knowingly lie about that kind of stuff.  It just makes it harder on women who have actually been sexually assaulted.  As far as I'm concerned, she should be thrown in jail for as long as they would've thrown him in jail had he been convicted based on her lies.  She is using the fact that the #MeToo movement and other things are on the social consciousness to her advantage and that makes her a vile, disgusting human being.  If Dr. Phil has an ax to grind with her, I don't blame him.  She's a bitch.

Edited February 6, 2018 by CaughtOnTape

[ClareWalks]

I think Dr Phil figures out in advance who (he thinks) is lying and lays into them from the get-go so that he can look like a psychic when the lie-detector results are inevitably revealed. He knows what we don't know for sure, that the mother is a crazy liar and the dad is innocent. The problem is Dr Phil ends up looking really accusatory and aggressive when he should be wanting the audience to be questioning "whodunnit." Phil is basically spoiling his own show, by doing this.

[A-Lo]

What I don't understand is why Dr. Phil isn't giving lie detector tests to the both of them?  I know they don't hold up in court but he's used them many times in the past when there is a huge disparity between what two people are claiming happened.

[Madding crowd]

The last case he had like this, the mother took the lie detector test and passed and the father refused. Until I know for a fact, I am always on the side of the child. If you are asking me if I saw a different show: The show I saw had a man who is no longer a practicing doctor, bringing people on for ratings and to make himself look good with no real regard for anyone but him self.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Madding crowd

[CaughtOnTape]

2 hours ago, A-Lo said:

What I don't understand is why Dr. Phil isn't giving lie detector tests to the both of them?  I know they don't hold up in court but he's used them many times in the past when there is a huge disparity between what two people are claiming happened.

He didn't need to.  The evidence was pretty black and white and spoke for itself.  Nowhere did the doctor ever report that a sexual assault happened.   And if I remember correctly, two doctors checked her out.  If a doctor had noticed something was out of the ordinary, he/she should have reported it or they would have had a WHOLE LOT to answer for.  There was a clear path towards what was happening here....she was lying.  She saw what she wanted to see and I suspect on tomorrow's show he will pull out evidence pointing to the fact that the mother has been coaching her kid.  Even after he held the paper up in front of her face and told her it never said sexual assault her response was "Well that's what I read."  I mean....how you still believe the mother after that kind of evidence....

Hell yes, he was accusatory and aggressive.  As he should've been.  I totally understand why the father was hateful and kind of a douche.  From the moment he stepped on that stage he was being accused of something pretty heinous and disgusting.  She was flat out claiming he'd raped her daughter with an object.  Then her mother comes out and starts screaming about him being a drug addict and an alcoholic.  These kinds of accusations are extremely damaging especially right now.  They had no basis for their beliefs other than they both feel he somehow did wrong by the mother.  Maybe he did....I don't care....but you don't go and accuse the man of raping your kid with a foreign object.  The only thing that's more disgusting than actually doing that is coming up with such a demented story so you can stick it to the man you feel jilted you.  

She's a piece of shit and so is her mother.  Like I said...if the man was smart he'd go and get custody of his daughter and keep her far far away from her mother.