S06.E17: Bury the Hatchet

[Raiderred]

Of course Bravo fails to show the only female sport in PRCA rodeo: BARREL RACING!  Just a small clip would have been nice. I work my ass off, and my horses' asses off, to be successful in this sport and it is very exciting to watch. You suck BRAVO/Andy.

 

[copacabana]

The cast blogs are hysterical this week -- Sonja has lost her mind, clearly.  Yachts, private islands, 90 Broadway actors, 5 to dinner every single night of the year, impromptu snack fests for 10 at the drop of a hat ... She cracks me up.  It's like Jimmy Stewart and Harvey.

 

Ramona is acting like putting out a cheese platter and some booze makes her Babe Paley. Heather sounds absolutely ridiculous with her inspirational quotes and lofty oratory -- like that pompous class president that made you squirm in your seat out of sheer embarrassment--and rage.  (Two or three mentions of the "sugar in the wine" and what it did to her ... Yeah, right.)

 

It's no wonder the comments are closed.  

 

Kristin needs to pull it together and stop coming unglued over nonsense if she's to survive.  Carole and LuAnn continue to sound like the two grown-ups in the room -- some sense of humor and self-awareness.  The country air seems to bring out the worst in most of these women -- Take most of them off the island of Manhattan and they just can't deal.  Good thing Eleanor Roosevelt and Lennon & McCartney left behind so many marvelous quotes to buck us up as we reach for the remote and switch the channel.

 

I wonder if this is the end, Little Rico.  The show is in trouble. Like Mario.

[Persnickety1]

Ramona has convinced herself that the reason Mario cheats is because women throw themselves at him and at a certain point any man who is that desired will cheat.  She thinks that husbands that are faithful to their wives are weak willed losers, who no one but their wives want. 

Ramona believes jerks like Mario are ultimate alpha males and most women want to be with them.  She probably thinks when Mario walks into a room, most women envy her for being with this great hunk of man.

 

It's like those bitter women who claim all men will cheat given the chance.  Stop trying to paint a gender with one brush just because you have horrible taste in men.

 

Indeed.

 

I remember way back in season 1 when Ramona lost her shit at the party in the Hamptons because Mario was chopping it up with some lovely younger woman.  When Ramona confronted the woman about flirting with her husband, the woman told her then perhaps he should wear his WEDDING RING when he goes out.

 

While its not unusual for people (men or women) to sometimes forget their rings at home when going out, I had the distinct impression that it probably wasn't the first time Mario "forgot" that wedding band and I doubt it was the last either.

 

I agree with you in that Ramona probably thinks all the gals just fling themselves onto Mario's wood and poor defenseless Mario just has no choice in the matter.  

Edited July 3, 2014 by Persnickety1

[ScoobieDoobs]

I am really wondering and hoping that someone, anyone has the balls to throw Mario's infidelity into her Pinot marinated face at the reunion.

 

Ah, well, let's see if Heather retaliates for those unprovoked & unkind (well, actually, nasty as fuck) comments Moaner said about Jonathan.  Moaner had a short Bravo blog, but there was NO apology -- not even a crappy classic Ramona apology, where she coulda said she was sorry if Heather was offended by the shitty things she said about Jonathan.  

 

Heather seems overly defensive of Jonathan in her Bravo blog.  She didn't need to be.  I kinda/sorta doubt ANY viewers would miss the irony of the 2 women on the show with dickhead husbands, getting on Heather's case cuz her husband is a nice guy.

 

Carole pontificates about how wrong it is to judge someone's marriage, then she says people in glass houses should not throw stones.  She's being sneaky, but she's saying this - People (Kristen) in glass houses (with their own bad marriage) should not throw stones (accuse others of marriage problems).

 

Looks to me like Carole is treading very, very carefully this season.  Last season, she got slammed but good at the reunion for mocking everyone in her TH's (behind their backs).  So yeah, she's being extremely subtle, but that was a definite dig she took at Kristen's marriage.

Edited July 3, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[ScoobieDoobs]

Can we tawk bout Get-real-gate?  I think a lot of that was the producers getting cutesy with us.  That guy might have been a plant.  He couldn't have heard what they were saying, so I don't believe for a second his comment was in response to Carole asking if there was a VIP area.  Eh, I think that was the producers playing editing bullshit games with us.  Maybe he muttered, "Get real, girls" cuz of the way they stood out in that crowd.  It didn't seem like they heard him at all.  Anyway, so what?  They knew they stood out & were dressed way different.  None of them seemed to care.  

 

It does kinda make the locals look bad -- that they mock visitors.  But then again, we do it all the freakin' time here in NYC & it doesn't seem to stop horribly dressed people from coming here.  The rudeness part of the "get real" comment would be completely lost on these girls.  Ya have to develop a very, very, very, very thick skin to rudeness (really quick) to survive in NYC -- dat's for sure.  Oh, you might notice it (or not), but if you don't get over it quick, you'll be stewing every second of the day & you won't accomplish much.  Just sayin' . . .

Wow, that preview from next week's ep with Harry -- he really looks like a washed-out old drunk.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Oh my goodness, Brian Moylan's recap gave me lotsa chuckles & giggles-

 

http://www.vulture.com/2014/07/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-6-glamping-rodeo.html

[Souvlaki]

While Carole may be small, she is pretty confident and comfortable with herself. Kristen, on the other hand, reeks of insecurity. I think Heather might get more "bossy" with Kristen, because she knows she can get away with it. I don't think it has anything to do with their sizes, but their personalities.

I agree. Though they have many similarities, their preferred communication styles seem entirely different to me.

[Pollock]

The cast blogs are hysterical this week -- Sonja has lost her mind, clearly.  Yachts, private islands, 90 Broadway actors, 5 to dinner every single night of the year, impromptu snack fests for 10 at the drop of a hat ... She cracks me up.  It's like Jimmy Stewart and Harvey.

Her blog is priceless, as usual. I loved this part : I didn't want to wake up for glamping, but there is no fighting Ramona. You roll with the punches. She would not go without me for sure! I'm like her lucky penny. Boney Sony. She even wore my purple marchesite necklace from Mazzani Jewels inside out and upside down. It's supposed to go on doubled. She doesn't care as long as she has something of mine on. It makes her feel close to me.

 

Yeah right. Like that time she put her ass in a private plane and left Sonja's hanging there. I bet THAT made her feel close. 

But I'm badmouthing here, maybe Ramona indeed took a scarf from Sonja before she flew off. Or one of her panties given that she doesn't use them it seems.

Everybody should have the ability to rewrite life like Sonja does. No bad memories, only glitter, rainbow and unicorns. And light. Lots of light.

 

Another excerpt

I did get the hot dog. In fact, I'm in France now and it's dinner time so I could really go for a hot dog! I'm over here to get my things from my house that I sold. I texted Heather to say I was coming here to work on securing financing out of Switzerland on my French home and open it and prepare it for sale.

 

How can't you not laugh at this level of delusion ?

 

Wow, that preview from next week's ep with Harry -- he really looks like a washed-out old drunk. 

 

It seems they are made for each other if only for this ! Sonja is two drinks away to be the next villain in Devious Maids, next season.

[imjagain]

Sonja makes sure to point out in her blog that she and Lu have only been friends for 5-6 years and only socially. I guess that is in response to Lu saying on the show that they have been friends for about a decade.

I know Sonja is jealous of Luann, but it just seems so odd that she goes out of her way to minimize their friendship.

Edited July 3, 2014 by imjagain

[LilaFowler]

Sonja will use any opportunity that she has to cut Luann. 

Edited July 3, 2014 by candy moocher

[Higgins]

Indeed.

 

I remember way back in season 1 when Ramona lost her shit at the party in the Hamptons because Mario was chopping it up with some lovely younger woman.  When Ramona confronted the woman about flirting with her husband, the woman told her then perhaps he should wear his WEDDING RING when he goes out.

 

While its not unusual for people (men or women) to sometimes forget their rings at home when going out, I had the distinct impression that it probably wasn't the first time Mario "forgot" that wedding band and I doubt it was the last either.

 

I agree with you in that Ramona probably thinks all the gals just fling themselves onto Mario's wood and poor defenseless Mario just has no choice in the matter.  

They probably do. He is a very good looking man and rich too. I think he loves crazy ass Ramona though and they will likely stay together.

[motorcitymom65]

Can we tawk bout Get-real-gate?  I think a lot of that was the producers getting cutesy with us.  That guy might have been a plant.  He couldn't have heard what they were saying, so I don't believe for a second his comment was in response to Carole asking if there was a VIP area.  Eh, I think that was the producers playing editing bullshit games with us.  Maybe he muttered, "Get real, girls" cuz of the way they stood out in that crowd.  It didn't seem like they heard him at all.  Anyway, so what?  They knew they stood out & were dressed way different.  None of them seemed to care.  

 

It does kinda make the locals look bad -- that they mock visitors.  But then again, we do it all the freakin' time here in NYC & it doesn't seem to stop horribly dressed people from coming here.  The rudeness part of the "get real" comment would be completely lost on these girls.  Ya have to develop a very, very, very, very thick skin to rudeness (really quick) to survive in NYC -- dat's for sure.  Oh, you might notice it (or not), but if you don't get over it quick, you'll be stewing every second of the day & you won't accomplish much.  Just sayin' . . .

Wow, that preview from next week's ep with Harry -- he really looks like a washed-out old drunk.

On the Vulture forum last week there was a resident of Missoula weighing in on the action. She/he didn't get specific, but they said that many of the ladies acted horribly while they were in town shooting this segment. Apparently they were extremely rude to the locals during their stay, and some of their demands were over-the-top. It is possible that many of them had heard about these gals and were kind of sick of their act and didn't feel the need to be polite. 

Take this story for what it's worth, but I have no problem believing it (I have seen Ramona dance and it ain't pretty under the best of circumstances). It sounds to me like Ramona is desperate to find a way to hold on to her cheating dog of a man.

 

http://pagesix.com/2014/06/30/real-housewife-ramona-singer-a-hot-mess-at-hamptons-gala/

[watcherwoman]

In Mario's younger pictures, he looked a bit like John Kennedy Jr.   He really was quite handsome.  I remember that picture of Ramona in a fitness magazine they showed on an old episode!  She was really buff and greased up.  She still looks good, she's probably well pickled.

 

 

I'm sure some of the girls were rude.  They were rude when yelling about having a butler, right in front of the poor guy.  Sheesh, I always thought that being nice to anyone serving you food was a good thing.  I would worry about what was "added" to my meal if I'd been a bitch to the server.

[heatherchandler]

Wow. I really cannot stand Kristen now. I'm amazed Heather was able to stay so calm when K was supposedly apologizing and again insulted her & her husband, and made faces like a nine year old while doing so.

Plus, fur=gross.

Right? She lost me for good with the fur. I think she looks like my 85 year old grandma in that thing. Not a good look!

I guess Bravo doesn't give a fig about compassion for animals, with the fur and terrible rodeo.

Edited July 3, 2014 by heatherchandler

[zoeysmom]

Sonja makes sure to point out in her blog that she and Lu have only been friends for 5-6 years and only socially. I guess that is in response to Lu saying on the show that they have been friends for about a decade.

I know Sonja is jealous of Luann, but it just seems so odd that she goes out of her way to minimize their friendship.

When Sonja first came on she told a story about how the last time she saw Ramona was at a sample sale. . . long before her marriage to Morgan.  The LuAnn connection was never really mentioned as old friends but more of a we know each other.  Although Sonja can be delusional I do think LuAnn is overstating their depth of friendship.  It was only when LuAnn was getting mocked by Carole that she sought camaraderie with Sonja.  I think they have been cordial at times but never close.  When Jill and Kelly were in the picture LuAnn really didn't have time for Sonja.

 

I think LuAnn is an opportunist and will take any opportunity to align herself with the more popular of the two groups.  I don't think Luann and Ramona have ever been friends nor do I think LuAnn can stand the ground Ramona walks on and she is somehow disappointed that Sonja maintains a friendship with her.  LuAnn will throw someone aside at the first opportunity.  First there was the pirate and now Harry.  LuAnn moral compass is quite often confused.  Case in point mocking and raising her voice at Ramona over the hostess comment.  I certain amount of irony when LuAnn jumped on Ramona and was feeding her face and drinking the beer Ramona managed to wrangle up.  The private guarded LuAnn who only storyline is to look down her nose at others to me has a lot going on that she wants kept covered up.  That is why LuAnn is a friend and not a full time housewife.  It has nothing to do with the quantity of time but the emptiness of her storyline or lack thereof. 

[Souvlaki]

I said this re: last week's episode and I'll say it again - I like how Kristen can watch the show like we do, see her bad behavior and OWN it (!), and apologize.

I like it too, still not sure about liking her all that much, though. In real life I sort of half expect self-awareness in that regard, at least to the degree Kristin has to make mistakes and apologise, but here in HW-land it's amazing and commendable or something. But I mean, good though, she apologized as she should. And it felt fully sincere; doubt she'd never get an apology from Ramona like that.

Being so used to getting to know from these women all the myriad of amazing ways to make a non-apology, I can see how it's definitely refreshing.

[Mozelle]

When Sonja first came on she told a story about how the last time she saw Ramona was at a sample sale. . . long before her marriage to Morgan.  The LuAnn connection was never really mentioned as old friends but more of a we know each other.  Although Sonja can be delusional I do think LuAnn is overstating their depth of friendship.  It was only when LuAnn was getting mocked by Carole that she sought camaraderie with Sonja.  I think they have been cordial at times but never close.  When Jill and Kelly were in the picture LuAnn really didn't have time for Sonja.

 

I think LuAnn is an opportunist and will take any opportunity to align herself with the more popular of the two groups.  I don't think Luann and Ramona have ever been friends nor do I think LuAnn can stand the ground Ramona walks on and she is somehow disappointed that Sonja maintains a friendship with her.  LuAnn will throw someone aside at the first opportunity.  First there was the pirate and now Harry.  LuAnn moral compass is quite often confused.  Case in point mocking and raising her voice at Ramona over the hostess comment.  I certain amount of irony when LuAnn jumped on Ramona and was feeding her face and drinking the beer Ramona managed to wrangle up.  The private guarded LuAnn who only storyline is to look down her nose at others to me has a lot going on that she wants kept covered up.  That is why LuAnn is a friend and not a full time housewife.  It has nothing to do with the quantity of time but the emptiness of her storyline or lack thereof. 

 

Yeah, I'm not totally convinced by this LuAnn. I do think that she's overstating her friendship with Sonja so that she can make Sonja seem way more offensive than Sonja was. I get it; Sonja is/was ridiculous for grinning like the damn Chesire Cat when the facialist went in on LuAnn and then flat out lied about Russ. Sonja behaved badly there. There is no need for LuAnn to make hyperbolic statements about a friendship with Sonja as a means of making Sonja look like a crap person because no matter how it's sliced, Sonja just doesn't leave that situation looking good. LuAnn and Sonja have been in each other's circle for a good six years, which is still a long time. Why say that they've been good friends for nearly a decade?

 

And I still can't get past her comment about Sonja not showing up for dinner because she's afraid her house will be repossessed. I won't lie; I giggled at that bit of snark. However, if Sonja is supposedly a friend of nearly a decade, that seems kind of low, no matter how annoyed LuAnn may have been about Sonja's delusions and defensive posturing (about her Hamptons "caburlesque" ridiculopathy, for example).

 

I think that LuAnn and Sonja are frenemies and have been for the past six years. The sniping between the two bears that out so LuAnn needs to come off it. Sonja, in that regard, is probably more honest there.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Mozelle

[kassa]

Also, Carole snarked about Reid in one of her blogs - looks like bringing the husband into it to me.

 

 

I'm trying to remember -- didn't one of the husbands get into it with Carole over the book thing at one of the parties?  Getting into "women bizness" (TM Nene Leakes)?  Was that Reid?  because if he got into it face to face with Carol, she is not required to remain hands off him as a spouse (in my opinion, anyway).  

 

I just have this vague memory of one of the husbands who wasn't present at an event mansplaining to a woman who was actually there what actually happened.

[imjagain]

I'm trying to remember -- didn't one of the husbands get into it with Carole over the book thing at one of the parties? Getting into "women bizness" (TM Nene Leakes)? Was that Reid? because if he got into it face to face with Carol, she is not required to remain hands off him as a spouse (in my opinion, anyway).

I just have this vague memory of one of the husbands who wasn't present at an event mansplaining to a woman who was actually there what actually happened.

That would be Reid. Yep, he was talking about her book and what the people on the streets were saying. Fair game in my opinion. He had to let her know what he thought. So Carole shot back. Edited July 3, 2014 by imjagain

[Satchels of gold]

It's clear from Sonja's blog that she is big into A Course in Miracles. That is great but all the love and light will not fix what is wrong in her life. As the Russian proverb states "pray to God but continue to row ashore " .

[Grneyedldy]

I'm sure some of the girls were rude.  They were rude when yelling about having a butler, right in front of the poor guy.  Sheesh, I always thought that being nice to anyone serving you food was a good thing.  I would worry about what was "added" to my meal if I'd been a bitch to the server.

Considering what that place costs, there should have been a butler at their beck and call 24/7. And they should be used to rich diva bitches making demands whether or not this particular group actually paid.

[Almost 3000]

Course in Miracles sounds about right but I didn't think it was still popular. Marianne Williamson tapes got me through my divorce in the early nineties.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I'm sure some of the girls were rude.  They were rude when yelling about having a butler, right in front of the poor guy.  Sheesh, I always thought that being nice to anyone serving you food was a good thing.  I would worry about what was "added" to my meal if I'd been a bitch to the server.

 

I was annoyed as fuck by the constant inappropriate comments to the staff (I guess mostly by Sonja, but maybe supported by Moaner) wherever they went.  It was tiresome & disrespectful to people just trying to do their jobs.  I don't care to weed thru all the delusional bullshit in Sonja's Bravo blogs.  She's luck as hell.  She's managed to somehow keep the crumbling townhouse & she doesn't have to work a job like the rest of us slobs.  I kinda can't stand her for that.  She should be like Blue Jasmine & working in a dentist's office.  She ain't qualified to do anything, is she?  

 

Sorry, but I've really had enough of Sonja's bullshit.  She's no different than George, with her sexual harassment comments, is she?  The next step for her is grabbing asses, dicks & various other body parts.  Guess that's only a matter of time.  Is she so desperate for cash, she's gonna be begging drunk ole Harry to marry her?

[copacabana]

Sonja's definition of a close friendship I'll bet is the one she has with Ramona:  St Elmo's Fire almost four decades later.  Getting loaded together, blacking out as a duo, getting into shenanigans, dancing half-naked and falling down on sidewalks, laughing like hyenas over how backwards the rural USA is in their limited understanding.  They are close like that.  With Sonja imagining that Ramona will not always put herself first.  The kindest thing I've seen Ramona do where Sonja is concerned is try to give her that wake-up call earlier in the season.  Of course that fell on deaf ears and escalated into an argument. 

 

LuAnn is far from perfect but I can see that her ideas on friendship would be more reserved  and formal and less frenetic.  She has a natural dignity, I think, that can come off as phony and she can definitely throw some mean shade but, unlike the other two ladies, I think she'd rather be boiled in oil than come across the way Ramonja have in the last several years -- with their total lack of class and common sense.  And their inability to age gracefully.  I can almost see LuAnn really imagining that she and Sonja are closer than they are.  Do I think she's playing it up to make Sonja look even messier than she is?  I do.  LuAnn seems able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm sure she'd like to be closer to Sonja but that don't mean she won't continue to make fun of her.  For the show and just because. 

 

She made one fatal mistake in hooking up with Pirate Boy and then trying to cover it up with some mediocre French -- and she's paid for it.  She's been smart enough to regroup.  If they do cut her permanently from the show, she's survive and be fine.  You can see her already trying to parlay the gig into some money making opportunities.  

 

Sonja, meanwhile, gets crazier and crazier.  And Ramona nastier and nastier.  I had to laugh when she was going on and on about how the room stops when Mario enters because all eyes are on him.  Yeah, girl, cause everyone is gossiping about the two of you.  What a smug, repulsive horn dog he is and what an idiot you are.  Two monied up parvenus without a clue. 

[sasha206]

I was annoyed as fuck by the constant inappropriate comments to the staff (I guess mostly by Sonja, but maybe supported by Moaner) wherever they went.  It was tiresome & disrespectful to people just trying to do their jobs.

 

Agreed. And let's not forget Kristen snapping at the rock climber guy. "That's all you needed to say" or some shit like that.  

[zoeysmom]

I'm trying to remember -- didn't one of the husbands get into it with Carole over the book thing at one of the parties?  Getting into "women bizness" (TM Nene Leakes)?  Was that Reid?  because if he got into it face to face with Carol, she is not required to remain hands off him as a spouse (in my opinion, anyway).  

 

I just have this vague memory of one of the husbands who wasn't present at an event mansplaining to a woman who was actually there what actually happened.

When Carole accused Aviva of lying about three people from a publishing house of saying something negative about her.  Reid said something to the effect I was there with the three people and they did say that.  Carole went on to write in her blog how would Reid like it if I said, word on the street is Reid is embezzling from his clients.  Word on the street is Reid is being investigated by the SEC. 

 

I thought Carole was way out of line and I don't care about her reputation as an author-if the book is good I will buy it.  She has written two books one did well and the other didn't.  I think you kind of cash out of serious journalism when you go on a reality show to promote yourself and your book.  I don't think she had a true ghostwriter but I do think it takes her a long time to write a book and she avails herself to a lot of review prior to publishing from her literary friends.

 

Carole is a little delusional if she doesn't think people in publishing don't talk about the writers.   Especially the five publishing houses who wined and dined her for her novel and didn't get it-sour grapes most likely.  Of course I am quite certain it was the best deal they ever lost judging from Carole's dismal sales.  None of which was Aviva's fault.

 

Carole did not have any business going after Reid.  Of course then again she called Aviva a nothing because she didn't pursue her career after a BA, MA or JD was pretty out of line.  Just because Carole is married to her job doesn't mean that anyone who isn't is a "nothing".

[quaintirene]

 

Carole is a little delusional if she doesn't think people in publishing don't talk about the writers.   Especially the five publishing houses who wined and dined her for her novel and didn't get it-sour grapes most likely.  Of course I am quite certain it was the best deal they ever lost judging from Carole's dismal sales.  None of which was Aviva's fault.

Nobody wined and dined her.  Everyone except Henry Holt turned it down flat and fast.   And HH is part of Macmillan.  But not generally known for this kind of novel.  But that having been said, it was a two-book deal and the second book is a collection of essays.  I imagine the name 'Kennedy' and 'Radziwill' will feature prominently.  Because otherwise I'm not sure what she could write about.  And that might do well enough if there is some meat to it.

Edited July 3, 2014 by quaintirene

[MatildaMoody]

 

The LuAnn connection was never really mentioned as old friends but more of a we know each other.  Although Sonja can be delusional I do think LuAnn is overstating their depth of friendship.

I think that if Luann is overstating the depth of their friendship, then Sonja is guilty of having done the same in the past. In Sonja's first season, Luann introduced Sonja as a "good friend" who would be willing to host her event at her townhouse. In that season both of them implied that they had been friends in the same "circle" when Sonja was married to Morgan and Luann was married to the count.

 

The next season, Sonja implied multiple times that Luann was a very close and dear friend. She did this during the removal of Old Man Morgan's portrait, and in the planning and preparation for the Morocco trip. 

 

She even did it this season when someone - I believe it was Heather, was questioning her about her and Luann's friendship. Sonja said that she can always count on Luann if she needs her. And Heather said something about how Luann wants to feel the same way about Sonja and isn't getting that returned.

 

So, it sounds to me like Sonja is changing her TV's "Character." She, along with Luann, established their "characters" as being close friends who had known each other for an undisclosed amount of time. While she established her friendship with Ramona as one of two former NYC Party girls who lost touch during their marriages and reconnected later. 

I think the opportunism is working both ways here. It's convenient to Sonja's delusions to now say that Luann is more of an acquaintance that a close friend. But, she was sure willing to claim that Luann was a close friend when she was having her crying breakdown at Luann's party about Jacque not loving Luann enough. Or what ever the hell she was going on about.

[Lola16]

I think Reid is being investigated.  Not sure that qualifies as gossip or hearsay.

 

 Another excerpt

I did get the hot dog. In fact, I'm in France now and it's dinner time so I could really go for a hot dog! I'm over here to get my things from my house that I sold. I texted Heather to say I was coming here to work on securing financing out of Switzerland on my French home and open it and prepare it for sale.

 

How can't you not laugh at this level of delusion ?

 

It seems they are made for each other if only for this ! Sonja is two drinks away to be the next villain in Devious Maids, next season.

I thought the French house was already sold to satisfy the bankruptcy judgment and it wasn't sold by Sonja but rather for Sonja.

[motorcitymom65]

Yeah, I'm not totally convinced by this LuAnn. I do think that she's overstating her friendship with Sonja so that she can make Sonja seem way more offensive than Sonja was. I get it; Sonja is/was ridiculous for grinning like the damn Chesire Cat when the facialist went in on LuAnn and then flat out lied about Russ. Sonja behaved badly there. There is no need for LuAnn to make hyperbolic statements about a friendship with Sonja as a means of making Sonja look like a crap person because no matter how it's sliced, Sonja just doesn't leave that situation looking good. LuAnn and Sonja have been in each other's circle for a good six years, which is still a long time. Why say that they've been good friends for nearly a decade?

 

And I still can't get past her comment about Sonja not showing up for dinner because she's afraid her house will be repossessed. I won't lie; I giggled at that bit of snark. However, if Sonja is supposedly a friend of nearly a decade, that seems kind of low, no matter how annoyed LuAnn may have been about Sonja's delusions and defensive posturing (about her Hamptons "caburlesque" ridiculopathy, for example).

 

I think that LuAnn and Sonja are frenemies and have been for the past six years. The sniping between the two bears that out so LuAnn needs to come off it. Sonja, in that regard, is probably more honest there.

The problem is we are talking about Sonja, who is a lying liar who lies at best, and completely delusional at worst. It is beyond interesting to read her last several blogs. Two weeks ago she went into great detail about how close she and Lu were. She said that Lu has been complaining because she doesn't see her enough, but the reality Sonja said was that they are together all the time. She said that she goes to the Hamptons and stays with Lu often, and that Lu is always at her house, coming over unannounced which to Sonja seemed to convey how close they are. Wasn't it Sonja who made an ass of herself last year at the dinner party, sobbing hysterically about how she didn't want Jacques to hurt her close friend Lu, who she said she loved? Maybe I am wrong, but Sonja has gone out of her way, as recently as two weeks ago, to make it clear that she is extremely close to Lu, and therefore Lu is wrong to question her motives or intent.

Suddenly, in her most recent blog, she calls them "social" friends. She seems to indicate that their friendship has only existed for 5 or 6 years, and isn't particularly close. Lu on the other hand has never changed her story, which IMO makes her much more believable.

[aradia22]

This is slightly off topic but can I just say that I think the Ban Bossy campaign is stupid? There are so many words we need to stop using to describe women other than "bossy." Bossy is just age appropriate for young girls. All you need to do is watch the housewives to learn what not to say. How about bitch, slut, crazy, alcoholic, etc. etc.? 

 

I found this episode incredibly boring. Yeah, I don't understand why Heather was making a big deal out of it and even when she was telling Kristen that she was still being aggressive in their last fight it was ridiculous since she'd spent every moment up to that point being passive aggressive and undermining Kristen. Honestly, everyone seemed off their game this episode. The fights and arguments made less sense than they usually do. They need to get back to New York.

 

I'll bet Heather is awesome at jazz singing, too.

Don't think I didn't notice how she cheered right up when she hit the bull's eye with the hatchet. I predict every will be terrible at singing and my ears will suffer for it.

[ryebread]

That would be Reid. Yep, he was talking about her book and what the people on the streets were saying. Fair game in my opinion. He had to let her know what he thought. So Carole shot back.

I agree. Yet, I keep hoping that ONE of these women will say something and really mean it.  If you say that going after someone's marriage/relationship is wrong, then stand by your conviction that it's wrong.  Don't let some idiot change your convictions because they say something idiotic. They're idiots!  It makes you no better than them. Imo.

 

When Carole accused Aviva of lying about three people from a publishing house of saying something negative about her.  Reid said something to the effect I was there with the three people and they did say that.  Carole went on to write in her blog how would Reid like it if I said, word on the street is Reid is embezzling from his clients.  Word on the street is Reid is being investigated by the SEC. 

Same shit, different day.  If you say it's not nice to dog someone's livelihood, then don't do it even if they dog yours.  Yeah, yeah, I know you shouldn't just stand there and take it but she'd come off better, classier, in more control if she stuck to her convictions regarding not insulting relationships and/or livelihood.  Defend your career just refrain from taking the low road.

[zoeysmom]

Nobody wined and dined her.  Everyone except Henry Holt turned it down flat and fast.   And HH is part of Macmillan.  But not generally known for this kind of novel.  But that having been said, it was a two-book deal and the second book is a collection of essays.  I imagine the name 'Kennedy' and 'Radziwill' will feature prominently.  Because otherwise I'm not sure what she could write about.  And that might do well enough if there is some meat to it.

Carole is the one saying there was a bidding war with six publishing houses.  I would think after accusing Aviva of lying it would be a stupid thing to lie about.  Then again if one were to approach five publishing house demanding a million dollars for her book and were declined by all but one and for a lesser amount a gifted writer could spin that into a bidding war.

 

I think in addition to Kennedy and Radziwill there will a few Real Housewives essays.  Maybe she will be like Carrie Bradshaw and write a book based on her columns (blogs) and take a train ride across the country to promote her book and meet up with George Clooney at her book reading.  I wonder if it will take her five years to assemble her essays?

Edited July 3, 2014 by zoeysmom

[RedheadZombie]

Sonja makes sure to point out in her blog that she and Lu have only been friends for 5-6 years and only socially. I guess that is in response to Lu saying on the show that they have been friends for about a decade.

I know Sonja is jealous of Luann, but it just seems so odd that she goes out of her way to minimize their friendship.

 

I continue to be surprised at how hard Sonja is going after LuAnn.  She made another nasty crack about LuAnn stealing all the attention.  I don't usually blame jealousy in these situations, but I think it's clear that Sonja is jealous of LuAnn.  I think they were in London when Sonja said that LuAnn pushes everyone out of the way to make a grand entrance into a room.  Sonja just doesn't understand that some women have an inherent ability to command attention in a way that doesn't involve exposing your boobs or crotch.

 

Right? She lost me for good with the fur. I think she looks like my 85 year old grandma in that thing. Not a good look!

I guess Bravo doesn't give a fig about compassion for animals, with the fur and terrible rodeo.

 

No Bravo does not care.  But as someone who's been advocating for animal welfare for years, it's refreshing that so many here are posting their disgust.

Carole is the one saying there was a bidding war with six publishing houses.  I would think after accusing Aviva of lying it would be a stupid thing to lie about.  Then again if one were to approach five publishing house demanding a million dollars for her book and were declined by all but one and for a lesser amount a gifted writer could spin that into a bidding war.

 

I think in addition to Kennedy and Radziwill there will a few Real Housewives essays.  Maybe she will be like Carrie Bradshaw and write a book based on her columns (blogs) and take a train ride across the country to promote her book and meet up with George Clooney at her book reading.  I wonder if it will take her five years to assemble her essays?

 

I made this same mistake.  I think the OP is referring to What Remains, and the bidding war was for the widows book.

[jimene79]

Commenting on Ramon's comments this week about Heather's husband, I think Mario is what my friends and I call a twenty-footer (kind of like a Monet in Clueless) - looks good from afar because he does the obvious things you need to do to appear attractive like tan, nice haircut, and in shape body but up close he's nothing special.  Also, it's not like the women noticing him and with whom he's having these affairs with are particularly attractive either.  Of course people's taste are subjective, be he's just so cheesy and scummy in every respect that I don't think more discerning women would go for it. 

[Mozelle]

I thought Carole was way out of line and I don't care about her reputation as an author-if the book is good I will buy it.  

 

But's not how it works. You as a consumer may not care (while others may care), but it's a business after all. I don't think someone who makes her living as a writer should have to take someone spreading gossip and lies about her livelihood. Unless it comes from a reliable source (i.e., not Aviva or her abetting husband), Carole had reason to be appalled.

 

The problem is we are talking about Sonja, who is a lying liar who lies at best, and completely delusional at worst. It is beyond interesting to read her last several blogs. Two weeks ago she went into great detail about how close she and Lu were. She said that Lu has been complaining because she doesn't see her enough, but the reality Sonja said was that they are together all the time. She said that she goes to the Hamptons and stays with Lu often, and that Lu is always at her house, coming over unannounced which to Sonja seemed to convey how close they are. Wasn't it Sonja who made an ass of herself last year at the dinner party, sobbing hysterically about how she didn't want Jacques to hurt her close friend Lu, who she said she loved? Maybe I am wrong, but Sonja has gone out of her way, as recently as two weeks ago, to make it clear that she is extremely close to Lu, and therefore Lu is wrong to question her motives or intent.

 

Suddenly, in her most recent blog, she calls them "social" friends. She seems to indicate that their friendship has only existed for 5 or 6 years, and isn't particularly close. Lu on the other hand has never changed her story, which IMO makes her much more believable.

 

 

I don't read Sonja's blogs so I wasn't aware of what she was writing there. That said, Sonja's drunken tears last season, etc., doesn't mean that she and LuAnn have had a near-decade-long friendship, exactly. Five or six years still sounds like it's about right.

 

Meh. At the end of the day, both Sonja and LuAnn are bugging me because they both snipe and snark on each other, but then try to accuse the other of being a bad friend.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Mozelle

[Grneyedldy]

Here's the last paragraph of Carole's blog. Raise your hand if you would have rather seen this show:

We had a better time than you all saw. The show always focuses on drama. Yes, we got on each other's nerves, we drank too much, and slept too little. But we also had a blast at a local bar. We met the most interesting people. We went dirty dancing, we twirled and two-stepped. We raced three-wheelers through wide open fields, we sang patriotic songs, we rode horses to places so beautiful, and saw views so majestic it would make even me cry (it did). We saw a part of the country that people rarely get to see. It was magnificent. We are lucky, I'm owning that. We have a beautiful country. We are blessed. We were all happy we didn't have asthma.

I continue to be surprised at how hard Sonja is going after LuAnn.  She made another nasty crack about LuAnn stealing all the attention.  I don't usually blame jealousy in these situations, but I think it's clear that Sonja is jealous of LuAnn.  I think they were in London when Sonja said that LuAnn pushes everyone out of the way to make a grand entrance into a room.  Sonja just doesn't understand that some women have an inherent ability to command attention in a way that doesn't involve exposing your boobs or crotch.

I bet it just pisses Sonja off when all heads turn to see Luann's statuesque natural beauty.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I don't read Sonja's blogs so i wasn't aware of what she was writing there.

 

 

You are smart not to bother.  It's always a bunch of crap and hooey.  Guess I look just to see how warped this woman truly is.  She really thinks anyone except her believes any of this nonsense she spits out -- to be even remotely true?  Er, huh??

Edited July 3, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[Lola16]

 

The problem is we are talking about Sonja, who is a lying liar who lies at best, and completely delusional at worst.

I'd reverse that.  I think be delusional would be a better trait for Sonja.  I believe she's both.

 

I'm raising both my hands for this.  I'd have preferred less tantrums, more scenery.  Not every minute needed to be juvenile drama filled.

 

Here's the last paragraph of Carole's blog. Raise your hand if you would have rather seen this show:

[quaintirene]

I guess what bothers me about the whole book thing is how phoney all the stuff is about all the Ho'Wives' book deals.  Carole's has been published before and knows how the industry works but she still went along for the ride.  That scene a few weeks back when she's yelling at her editor had all the publishing people I know--including me--laughing their heads off.  That shit doesn't happen.  

 

As for The Widow's Guide, it was sent around to publishers and no one wanted it.  I was bootlegged a copy of the original ms and thought it was Grade Z crypto chick-lit with a few fancy and out-of-place too-cool-for-school references to people like Derrida.  The heroine was not interesting.  The plot was banal.  I'm sure it wasn't ghosted, although Carole did make references to her 'writing partner' last season and this season we're not hearing any of that.  Fiction is hard.  Any kind of fiction.  I don't think Carole has a gift for it.  And apparently neither did anyone else!

[walnutqueen]

Here's the last paragraph of Carole's blog. Raise your hand if you would have rather seen this show:

 

 

Raising my hand now, Grneyedldy.

[Persnickety1]

I wonder, all seriousness here, not even being snarky, if the pirate wasn't the catalyst in the deterioration of the relationship between Luann and Sonja.  

 

The way Sonja throws herself at anything with an appendage, it surely must have been a blow to her ego for Luann to be conquest #1 and her getting sloppy seconds out in the garden.  And Sonja was definitely hell bent on making damned sure she got him that second night, too, whereas I think most (if not all) of the women I know would have lost interest in him once they found out he'd been schlepping their friend the night before.  Not our girl Sonja...She went after that dude like a shark in a feeding frenzy the next night.  

 

If I were a betting fool, I'd wager Sonja probably even asked the pirate during that romp "Aren't I better than Luann?  Don't you wish you'd have had ME last night instead of HER?  Who was better, me or Luann?"  I dunno, I can just totally see her drunken bent over self seeking validation from the dude about how choosing Luann the first night was a mistake and Sonja should have been his first choice as wench for a night.  

 

It sounds so superficial and shallow and implausible yet this is Sonja we're talking about.  She who thinks she's Queen of the Cougars and apparently that any man in her time zone is just dying to slip her the beef injection because she's just so damned irresistible.  After all, she's dined with the Churchills and Arabian princes and all.  

 

I can totally see Sonja obsessing over what unfolded in St. Bart's (not to mention reading the public's reaction to Sonja taking "sloppy seconds") and deciding to put Luann in in her place, so to speak.

 

I also remember her nonsensical bitchfest in London about how Luann should let Sonja and the shorter women walk into a room first, because they were tall and got all of the attention entering a room.  That was so damned random I wondered if there was some guy present on whom Sonja had her eye but who was instead giving Luann the eye.  

 

And to top all of that off, now we have the yet-unseen Harry situation in which there's something about Harry giving Sonja a ring...But then him taking off with Luann.

 

Besides the ridiculous "tall women like Luann should let us short woman enter a room first," I don't remember any particular grievance Sonja had about Luann until after the infamous pirate incident.  I think maybe Sonja's been seething over being second-choice to Luann since that event and is getting her own version of revenge on Luann for it ever since.

 

Damn, I hope that makes sense.  I worked way too late last night and haven't even finished my first cup of coffee.  Yawn...    

Edited July 3, 2014 by Persnickety1

[shoegal]

I'm sure it wasn't ghosted, although Carole did make references to her 'writing partner' last season and this season we're not hearing any of that.  Fiction is hard.

 

 

The "writing partner" was the person in LA who was helping turn Widow's Guide into a script for a tv series.  I wonder how that is going, I think it was optioned?  Maybe it wasn't a huge success for a novel, but she might make some $$$ from a tv show, in addition to what she's already made.  That ain't bad in my book.

Edited July 3, 2014 by shoegal

[motorcitymom65]

You are smart not to bother.  It's always a bunch of crap and hooey.  Guess I look just to see how warped this woman truly is.  She really thinks anyone except her believes any of this nonsense she spits out -- to be even remotely true?  Er, huh??

I am convinced Sonja's blogs are written for folks that no longer watch the actual show. They are for people who were moved by her in Season 3, back when she charmed us with her ability to detect the fault lines in Kelly on Scary Island.

She is not that person anymore, and it is hard to reconcile the person that we see on the show with the blog that is written weekly. It is literally like she didn't even watch the show, but remembers there were cameras around several months ago capturing shit on film. She doesn't seem to know what the edited show that we saw looks like. She rambles on and on each week about how successful she is, how in demand she is as a party planner, about parties she hosts and movie stars she hangs with. Why do we never see any of this on the show? To hear her tell it she is running a thriving enterprise, with all the business she needs/can handle. I wonder why all she ever talks about on the show is stupid random branding opportunities that exist only in her delusional mind?

[demarti]

It really  pains me to say this because I am a complete Real Housewives whore and have watched every single episode from every single franchise to date but I found myself fast forwarding through most of this and the last episode. It"s no wonder it took so long to release the new season. Borrrriiiinnnngggg! I don't give a rats ass about Lu and Sonja's bickering, Kristen and Heather turning on each other or drunk Ramona ranting about how she is the best hostess in the land.  I can't pinpoint if it's that these women just don't have any chemistry together or if the casting is way off.  Same goes for RHOC. So sad but I think this whole franchise is finally running it's course.  New Jersey better bring it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Persnickety1]

The "writing partner" was the person in LA who was helping turn Widow's Guide into a script for a tv series.  I wonder how that is going, I think it was optioned?  Maybe it wasn't a huge success for a novel, but she might make some $$$ from a tv show, in addition to what she's already made.  That ain't bad in my book.

 

I got curious about this and did some Googling a few months ago and just now did some fresh Googling.

 

I can find nothing on the world wide internet that this is even in pre-production.  Even Darren Star's IMDB page shows nothing.  He's currently working on a series and it's not related to Carole's book in the least.

 

I'm thinking this was slightly exaggerated last season for storyline purposes.  I think Darren Star indeed was interested in looking at the finished product to see if it would be adaptable to a weekly television show and wanted to be first in line to option it; however, I'm kind of getting the impression that, once he read the book, he chose not to.  And I notice Carole hasn't brought this up at all this season.  Not once.  

 

Here's a link to his IMDB page:  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0823015/

Edited July 3, 2014 by Persnickety1

[copacabana]

I would bet that LuAnn still has some sway and some friends in the old world that Sonja would like to puncture again and that 'cause The Countess is smart she's not bringing Sonja along.  Because she knows Sonja is ill and isn't going to blow her wad on Lady M. LuAnn protects her real world and I'll bet Sonja can't stand it. LuAnn is still looking for another man and could get one from the pool she's interested in, which I'll bet is relatively modest and reality based..  She's not going to blow it by dragging Sonja into it at this point. 

 

I wonder too if we aren't being sent all over the US -- not that I mind it at all --best part of this season has been getting OUT of NYC -- because Manhattan just doesn't want to film with this show anymore.  We never get to see real NYC society -- it would rather die -- and what we see of the Hamptons is really circumscribed In terms of old blue blood society  and always has been -- the Blue Book or social register, no way in hell.   There used to be (in the 90s when I was briefly married into it -- and I hated it) only one  place to be -- and that was Southampton and the Southampton Beach Club.  It still exists and is still lovely -- very low key. Ramona's whims and excesses would never have been allowed there.  It's a tough tough circle to get into -- fame, money won't get you in ... At least they didn't 25 years ago. Birth and bloodline do.  And it's not that individual folks were horrid -- not at all -- It's that in the total culture picture, it's like going into a Margaret Mead scenario -- The dominant culture prevails and is oppressive.  Sonja got burned by it a long time ago and can't let go of the live wire.   She's out forever and it's killing her. 

 

None of this can be said.  I think Sonja's gone mad -- Blanche du Bois style -- because all of that is over for her and has been for a long long time and she hates LuAnn because The Countess, whose aspirations were always I think much more realistic, has found a way to still hang on to the edges of that world -- although we never see it on camera. And because she is on the outer edges and has found a way to be happy there. 

 

Jacques was good for her --  younger,  French, Jewish, in business -- possibly North African.  All of that is great stuff and LuAnn ain't dumb. It's too bad it didn't work out for her in the end.  

 

When Sonja let loose with her you don't understand thing on Ramona -- we can recall that, right?  Child custody, divorce etc., I kinda got that while she was listing all that stuff what she really meant was that Ramona didn't understand because the Singers have never ever even gotten close to that level of society and never will.  Sonja's never really been Gray Gardens because she was never  part of that scene from birth.  She's more like Becky Thatcher in Vanity Fair. 

 

And Andy Cohen is still a dick. 

[copacabana]

Becky Sharp not Thatcher.  It's 4th of July weekend and I guess I changed my clothes before dinner and called Sharp Thatcher.  Because I'm the boss. 

 

The only other thing I would add is that back in the day -- my really young days in NYC when it was still New York -- way before even Carrie Bradshaw -- there was a wonderful bohemian vibe to the place.  I've gone back several times in the last few decades and I don't recognize the place -- unless you have the cashish for real now, almost impossible to live on the island.  Which means that much of what made it so great -- artists, writers, misfits, and regular folks -- much of that gone. 

 

And that maybe this chapter of the franchise is sinking because the city they are portraying doesn't really exist. 

[shoegal]

I got curious about this and did some Googling a few months ago and just now did some fresh Googling.

 

I can find nothing on the world wide internet that this is even in pre-production.  Even Darren Star's IMDB page shows nothing.  He's currently working on a series and it's not related to Carole's book in the least.

 

I'm thinking this was slightly exaggerated last season for storyline purposes.  I think Darren Star indeed was interested in looking at the finished product to see if it would be adaptable to a weekly television show and wanted to be first in line to option it; however, I'm kind of getting the impression that, once he read the book, he chose not to.  And I notice Carole hasn't brought this up at all this season.  Not once.  

 

Here's a link to his IMDB page:  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0823015/

 

I don't remember Darren Star being mentioned by name as the producer.  I am sure that whatever is going on, if anything, it's waaaaay early. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

because Manhattan just doesn't want to film with this show anymore.  We never get to see real NYC society -- it would rather die -- and what we see of the Hamptons is really circumscribed In terms of old blue blood society  and always has been -- the Blue Book or social register, no way in hell.

 

 

That's not necessarily true.  The producers made a definite decision to go in another direction with this cast.  None of them are connected to NYC high society.  Sonja & Lu were connected, but those doors are closed off to them now.  Maybe not as much to Lu, but she doesn't even live in Manhattan anymore, so she's off the map.  Jillzy did have legitimate connections to the high society crowd, but Moaner clearly doesn't.  And with her rep now & the way she's getting publicly drunk all the time & acting like a spectacle, I doubt the fancy schmancy set wants her around.

 

Carole seems to have the connections, but not any interest. I suspect the nature & name of Heather's company would deem her too low rent & tacky for the high society crowd to bother with. And Veevs?  Well, does that awful horrible woman even have any friends?  

 

Anyhoo, I'd love for the show to go back in that direction, but they'd have to pretty much recast everyone to do it.  Hmmm, given the continuing shitty ratings, they may be forced to do that anyway.  But it may not be an answer to save the show cuz Ladies of London has been getting shitty ratings & that show is basically about the same thing this show was about in the beginning -- tacky wannabees trying to crack into high society.

Edited July 3, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs