S09.E11: Bounty

[merroni]

20 hours ago, xaxat said:

Ezekiel, you are a thespian, wouldn't it be a whole lot safer to bring back theater than fighting scores of dead for a bulb?

I kept telling my husband that. They could reenact Lion King or Star Wars, etc. The King could play Mufasha and Darth Vader.  Maybe when this bulb goes out. 

[iMonrey]

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Daryl may think that ... but has he forgotten that it’s not just the Whisperers they will be fighting, but a herd of Walkers too?

Is Daryl (or anyone else) even aware that the Whisperers are capable of steering walker herds? Because nobody has vocalized that in the dialogue or wondered how the hell they're doing it. For that matter I still don't know how they're doing it. Sonar? 

[SamBeckett]

2 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Is Daryl (or anyone else) even aware that the Whisperers are capable of steering walker herds? Because nobody has vocalized that in the dialogue or wondered how the hell they're doing it. For that matter I still don't know how they're doing it. Sonar? 

Yeah, I guess it hasn’t been vocalized, but with this show I can only hear about every other sentence. However, at the beginning of this Whisperers’ arc, whenever that was (but it seems like years already), it seems like all of them noticed that (at least) the Walkers were acting differently. Then didn’t Rosita and Eugene heard them speaking. But again, it was never openly discussed because — hey — why let everyone in on the potential new danger.

[iMonrey]

Well they certainly know that the Whisperers walk among the herds dressed as walkers. And they've witnessed herds moving away from sounds deliberately set up as distractions, like the firecrackers, though whether they've put 2 and 2 together is yet unanswered. But you'd think if they were clued into the fact that the Whisperers have some way of steering walker herds in any direction they want there would be some serious discussion about that.

I mean, I see potential here for the Whisperers being a real threat if they can steer a ginormous herd of walkers straight towards Hilltip or any other community. The sheer volume of that herd we saw at the end of last season would overwhelm anyone. The show just needs to get off its ass and start explaining how they're able to do that, and why.

So far all I've got is a crazy woman got some idiots to follow her around and dress like Walkers. I need a little more than that to find this story compelling. The visuals alone don't cut it despite what the show runners seem to think. "Ooh, creepy!" just isn't enough.

[FishyJoe]

I don't understand why they just don't get a big TV and watch DVDs. Are they going to risk their lives every time they want to watch a different movie?

[oakville]

32 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Is Daryl (or anyone else) even aware that the Whisperers are capable of steering walker herds? Because nobody has vocalized that in the dialogue or wondered how the hell they're doing it. For that matter I still don't know how they're doing it. Sonar? 

It's a mystery. Alpha did tell one of her group to go deal with the walkers.

[Iguessnot]

I don't understand the point of being a Whisperer beyond its use for getting out of a jam. Didn't Lydia mention on her first episode some reciprocal relationship between them? Do the Whisperers tell the walkers they have their backs and the walkers respond "yeah bro". 

[Iguessnot]

1 hour ago, merroni said:

I kept telling my husband that. They could reenact Lion King or Star Wars, etc. The King could play Mufasha and Darth Vader.  Maybe when this bulb goes out. 

That looked like some Thomas Edison bulb, not even a home projector bulbs/lamps look that delicate.

[Gobi]

22 hours ago, Shriekingeel said:

When Ezekiel said “it feels like we’re not losing anymore” I half expected an actual anvil to fall from the sky onto him. 

Didn't one? I mean what was that ominous red symbol painted on the sign behind him? The camera sure lingered on it.

[mightysparrow]

10 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Carol has never been a great ZA mom.   She lost Sophia.  She let Lizzie kill Mika and then had to put Lizzie down.   Maybe we should give Henry some credit for surviving this long.  🙂

I agree.  I'm not surprised that Henry is such an entitled little shit, if he's been living on a regular dose of Carol's smugness.  If Carol cared even a little bit about Henry she would send him miles away from her because she's been a disaster to anybody under voting age since the very beginning.

[AngelaHunter]

2 hours ago, Butless said:

Birds are immune, right? You can train pigeons, crows and ravens.  Guess no one in theKingdom even knows about this medieval trick ? 

What happened to the microwave letterbox they used to have? That seemed to work pretty well.

3 hours ago, Butless said:

The face mask only has eye, nose and mouth holes, and her face is evenly tanned.

So... what's all that black stuff around her mouth? Is it a fashion choice? It makes me queasy to look at it. She and the others must have bits of decayed flesh clinging to their hair and faces all the time. Maybe that's why she shaved her head. Can't say I don't understand. I had a long-haired dog who came home several times with gooey, smelly bits stuck in his fur. I couldn't figure it out until I found the long-dead raccoon in which he had rolled. Which I had touched and felt. So yeah, if I were wearing carrion on my head I'd shave my hair off too.

[Haleth]

18 hours ago, oakville said:

 I am surprised that Connie would go with Daryl at night.

So how soon before her sister and friends set out to look for her and get themselves captured?  Again. This show just goes in circles. Someone leaves, someone follows, follower gets captured, rescue mission ensues. Wash, rinse, repeat. Not to mention yet another psychotic enemy threatening out characters.

Ugh, I hate stupid kid characters.  Henry needs to be eaten ASAP.  Why are all the kids on this show so dumb?  Want to see a show where the writers know how to make a kid smart, spunky, and likable?  (And a delightful young actress to play her?)  Check out The Passage.

Can we just stick with the Kingdom and their missions?  I mean, at least this group is entertaining. I thought they would take the popcorn machine too until the walker broke it. Another symbol of civilization disappears. Sigh.  

Edited February 26, 2019 by Haleth

[heisenberg]

3 hours ago, Butless said:

Birds are immune, right? You can train pigeons, crows and ravens.  Guess no one in theKingdom even knows about this medieval trick ?  They couldn't possibly have eaten all the birds in the area in 6 years, right? 

Also dogs.  Dog cant be the only dog around in 6 years.  Why would they not have bred them for defense, in alarm & battle; for messengers; and, even meat? I really don't want to see the latter, but seems like someone would have.

There are a million things questionable about this show. I give up.

CB'S...

Eugene and father pee pants are using one,  all the truckers from TWD and FTWD has or had one.  There are plenty of them (even military grades) all around just waiting to be picked-up.  It does not use lots of electricity, the higher the antenna, the further it will reach and it can mean hundreds of miles.

But no, I guess you are right,  smoke messages it will be.  🙂

[Butless]

6 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

What happened to the microwave letterbox they used to have? That seemed to work pretty well.

So... what's all that black stuff around her mouth? Is it a fashion choice? It makes me queasy to look at it. She and the others must have bits of decayed flesh clinging to their hair and faces all the time. Maybe that's why she shaved her head. Can't say I don't understand. I had a long-haired dog who came home several times with gooey, smelly bits stuck in his fur. I couldn't figure it out until I found the long-dead raccoon in which he had rolled. Which I had touched and felt. So yeah, if I were wearing carrion on my head I'd shave my hair off too.

I thought the black around her eyes and mouth were tattooed?

[OoohMaggie]

On 2/25/2019 at 3:25 AM, xaxat said:

I liked Daryl's "sometime life gives you a shit sandwich" observation at the end.

Or even a dog food bun!

[OoohMaggie]

10 hours ago, Gobi said:

Didn't one? I mean what was that ominous red symbol painted on the sign behind him? The camera sure lingered on it.

It’s discussed here,

https://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2019/02/25/the-walking-dead-what-is-that-symbol-carol-ezekiel-whisperers-911-bounty/

[Bryce Lynch]

10 hours ago, heisenberg said:

CB'S...

Eugene and father pee pants are using one,  all the truckers from TWD and FTWD has or had one.  There are plenty of them (even military grades) all around just waiting to be picked-up.  It does not use lots of electricity, the higher the antenna, the further it will reach and it can mean hundreds of miles.

But no, I guess you are right,  smoke messages it will be.  🙂

CBs would be more practical.  But, the idea of a maester sending ravens to the other groups is much cooler. 🙂

[Bryce Lynch]

9 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

A lot of people keep all of their old stuff.  I am sure some of those homes have old movie cameras with films of families as they grow up, projectors and bulbs.

Just because things evolve over time, that doesn't mean the past disappears.

Also, somethings from the past are far better than things are in present day.

I doubt one home in 50 has any film projector, especially working ones.  To the extent any reels of film are in homes, would be 99% home movies of Johnny's 1st birthday party or the family trip to Disney and 1% old porno films.   I doubt they would find anything watchable.

But, there would be TVs, DVD players and DVDs in nearly every home, and many stores.  

They would have access to a much wider variety of movies without having to risk the lives of the King and Queen and their subjects.  

The Library of Congress's preserved films were mentioned by me and others.  But, I sort of imagine that even after the treacherous trip to DC, finding the films might be like trying to find the crate with the Ark of Covenant, in the massive warehouse full of crates at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.   

Edited February 26, 2019 by Bryce Lynch

[Nashville]

16 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

A lot of people keep all of their old stuff.  I am sure some of those homes have old movie cameras with films of families as they grow up, projectors and bulbs.

Just because things evolve over time, that doesn't mean the past disappears.

Also, somethings from the past are far better than things are in present day.

The xenon lamps used by movie theater projectors are nothing like the little glass bulbs used by a run-of-the-mill average Bell & Howell home movie theater projector, and nowhere near interchangeable.

[nodorothyparker]

3 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

21 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

The teen girl with the glasses gave Daryl the note Henry left saying he was running off to go look for Lydia. 

I think the show is trying to make her out to look downright homely, a social outcast.   I would have thought for sure that she would have no problem finding dates.   In my old high school days, she would have been considered the pick of the litter.  Very cute.

In a normal situation, sure.  But the way they had her giving Henry the eye earlier in the season, it seemed they wanted us to think that her choices were between the dumb and dumberer two other teen boys at Hilltop who made Henry look good in comparison.  I called her that because she was one of the 5,000 characters whose names I couldn't remember yesterday.  I've since looked to see that her name is Addy.

The projector bulb thing boils down to Zeke's audience chamber/theater having been fitted to show movies back in the day and he wants to show movies again because otherwise it's just a sad reminder of one more thing they don't have anymore in a place they're struggling to hold together.  They scouted out a nearby theater they reasonably think might have a replacement.  And it's something to do that falls within their skill set.  That's good enough for me. 

[Nashville]

To me the best thing about this episode was the revelation of Jerry as an old film geek like me, because Jerry already knew his way around a theater projector lamp and came prepared - rubber gloves, bubble wrap and all.  And ain’t nobody googling that shit anymore, so Jerry knew in advance.  ;>

Edited February 26, 2019 by Nashville

[CletusMusashi]

14 hours ago, FishyJoe said:

I don't understand why they just don't get a big TV and watch DVDs. Are they going to risk their lives every time they want to watch a different movie?

I actually kind of love this idea. And the style of the adventure can match the movie. They can put on trench coats and fedoras to follow clues about where the mystery film is hidden, put on cowboy hats and get in slow-motion gunfights over westerns, maybe have some hat-rack-spinning swing-from-the-chandeliers kung fu fights over a Jackie Chan movie, have Eugene exip them with some preposterous new gadgets for a James Bond adventure... the possibilities are endless.

[CletusMusashi]

On 2/24/2019 at 10:25 PM, xaxat said:

Ezekiel, you are a thespian, wouldn't it be a whole lot safer to bring back theater than fighting scores of dead for a bulb?

I think the problem is they're too used to him being theatrical 24/7. He's probably tried this idea, but every time he walks out on stage and starts reciting majestic oratory the whole audience just sits like "Duhhh... um, your majesty? Can we talk about this later? There was supposed to be a play here tonight."

Edited February 26, 2019 by CletusMusashi

[CletusMusashi]

13 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

I don't understand the point of being a Whisperer beyond its use for getting out of a jam. Didn't Lydia mention on her first episode some reciprocal relationship between them? Do the Whisperers tell the walkers they have their backs and the walkers respond "yeah bro". 

What if there are no real zombies left, and it's all just different groups of Whisperers (some of whom are cannibals,) who think the other ones are zombies? The reason they don't notice the other groups talking is that, like Lydia, they all have ear infections from wearing zombie masks all day. That's also why Alpha doesn't realize how stupid her accent sounds.

[Bryce Lynch]

36 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Daryl can't be that dumb.  He knows that the Whisperers are able to coax walkers in various directions.  If the Whispers can coax a large enough herd of walkers to attack Hilltop, the Hilltop is toast.  Especially if the Whisperers toss animal carcasses or some other food source for the walkers over the hill top fence.

There still hasn't been an explanation as to how the Whisperers got all of those arrows to lure  Luke and the other dude in an area to be captured.

I don't know.  There don't seem to be that many Whisperers.  The walls seem to protect Hilltop from walkers.

My bigger fear would be that Whisperers would keep attacking travelers from the Hilltop outside of the walls and take more hostages.    

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I think the show is trying to make her out to look downright homely, a social outcast. 

I guess we really are in Mayberry era, where you would hear "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses." OR, they're going to the old "caterpillar to butterfly" when she pulls off her glasses, shakes out her hair, opens the top buttons on her blouse and turns into a raving beauty.  I hope to hell I'm wrong.

7 hours ago, Butless said:

I thought the black around her eyes and mouth were tattooed?

Oh? Awesome. "Gimme a tat that makes me look like I ate a mud sandwich and didn't have a napkin."😅

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

Glad to be back, couldn't take it in the hospital another day. 

Oh, dear. Nothing serious, I hope! WB.

39 minutes ago, CletusMusashi said:

I think the problem is they're too used to him being theatrical 24/7. He's probably tried this idea, but every time he walks out on stage and starts reciting majestic oratory the whole audience just sits like "Duhhh... um, your majesty? Can we talk about this later? There was supposed to be a play here tonight."

Oh, hell!!🤣🤣

[OoohMaggie]

Knowing as much about Elk as I do about southern accents, is Elpha’s really that bad? I was wondering why they didn’t bring any live animals back with them, mainly as breeding stock to provide for the years to come.             

Can they be captured and controlled to such an extent that travel to Kingdom would be possible and could they be domesticated?

Edited February 26, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[diebartdie]

Why does Alpha even have any sort of dialect at all? It would make perfect sense if she was just using (the actor's) normal accent, they are in Washington D.C., not "Dark Holler, Tennessee" which considering I live right next door to Dark Holler...nobody talks like that. NO BODY, not even the 93 year old hill billy who comes to town once a yer for the fair! Seriously, Ive met him. Weirdest speech pattern he has is saying "you-ins" instead of "y'all".

I tell you what though, I hate The Whisperers more than any other group we've ever met on this show. Seriously, ANYONE that would put an infant on the ground in front of a herd of walkers is a piece of shit who needs to die. That was wrong, the biggest wrong this show has done. Eat all the horses you want show, I dont GAF. Have as many "wife harems" as you want, it might piss me off, but I dont care. Put infants into that kind of danger and I will fight you show and I will win because I am filled to the brim with mad Xena Warrior Princess energy!

[Bryce Lynch]

1 minute ago, OoohMaggie said:

Knowing as much about Elk as I do about southern accents, is Elpha’s really that bad? I was wondering why they didn’t bring any live animals back with them, mainly as breeding stock to provide for the years to come.                                                        

Can they be captured and controlled to such an extent that travel to Kingdom would be possible and could they be domesticated?

There are Elk farms for breeding Elk.  I'm not sure how easy it would be to transport them alive to start breeding them.  Also Elk require stronger and higher fences than cows.  If they could handle all the logistics, Elk farming might be feasible.  

[Lady Iris]

These people go through horses like toilet paper, I wouldn't trust them with any other livestock.

[iMonrey]

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Daryl can't be that dumb.  He knows that the Whisperers are able to coax walkers in various directions.  If the Whispers can coax a large enough herd of walkers to attack Hilltop, the Hilltop is toast. 

As I noted above, it has not yet been established that Daryl knows the Whisperers have this ability. It has not been addressed by anyone in his camp in any dialogue thus far. You'd think that would be a major topic of discussion if it was a known fact at this point. (He should realize it, but he has not vocalized it in any way.)

[DropTheSoap]

19 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

It’s not like she can run that fast.

sorry, but they needed to cast a less chubby actress.  At least Jadis , barcode bitch, and Barat were lean and mean.  Awful looks like a grubby potato.  

I'm just rather shocked that it's Samantha Morton as that grubby potato.

As for the rest, I find Henry more annoying than Carl. The character was an idiot in prior seasons and I see that hasn't changed. The sooner he's eaten, the better.

[Lady Iris]

Grubby potato!? I missed that. Hee hee hee!

[iMonrey]

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Daryl witnessed it first hand.  Back when they all went looking for the town whiner "Eugene".  Shortly before Jesus was killed.   They all noticed that the walkers were acting strangely.

Yes, but has he put 2 and 2 together? Did he realize they were being steered by the Whisperers? He did not in fact have any way of knowing at that point whether there were any Whisperers among that herd. In any event his realization of this fact, or lack thereof, has yet to be addressed. Alpha did not threaten to overrun Hilltop by bringing a hoard of Walkers down on them nor did Daryl raise that possibility to anyone or seem worried about it.

[nodorothyparker]

It's been long enough that it's probably safe to assume they all know the walkers can be lured in one direction by sound and movement.  We've seen Daryl do it before, mostly notably the giant walker parade a couple of seasons back.  From there, it's not a far reach to assume that if these people can walk among them they can probably also fairly easily turn a herd toward something specific if they're so inclined.  Get in front of them and they'll follow the movement as long as you keep going.

[Josette]

15 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

So... what's all that black stuff around her mouth? Is it a fashion choice? It makes me queasy to look at it. She and the others must have bits of decayed flesh clinging to their hair and faces all the time. Maybe that's why she shaved her head. Can't say I don't understand.

 I do think it's filth from wearing the mask.  Here's a good look at Alpha.  I don't think hygiene is important to people who walk among the dead.

[AngelaHunter]

52 minutes ago, Josette said:

Here's a good look at Alpha.  I don't think hygiene is important to people who walk among the dead.

Thanks. I think?🤢

Aside from hygiene, having rotten meat on your face and in your mouth is a good way to get sick and die, and of course aside from the fact that trying to remove decayed faces intact from rotting corpses would be an exercise in futility. But oh, well.

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's been long enough that it's probably safe to assume they all know the walkers can be lured in one direction by sound and movement.  We've seen Daryl do it before, mostly notably the giant walker parade a couple of seasons back.  From there, it's not a far reach to assume that if these people can walk among them they can probably also fairly easily turn a herd toward something specific if they're so inclined.  Get in front of them and they'll follow the movement as long as you keep going.

Does it really make sense that the Whisperers can simultaneously fool the walkers into thinking they are walkers, while getting them to follow them?  Don't walkers normally follow food sources, not other walkers?

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I do find it interesting that in that charter or whatever they are calling it, they listed all of the communities:

Sanctuary, Oceanside, Alexandria, Hilltop, and Kingdom.

Isn't the Sanctuary abandoned now? That seems like a stranger inclusion than Oceanside.  Have we heard anything about Oceanside since the time jump?

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, diebartdie said:

Why does Alpha even have any sort of dialect at all? It would make perfect sense if she was just using (the actor's) normal accent, they are in Washington D.C., not "Dark Holler, Tennessee" which considering I live right next door to Dark Holler...nobody talks like that. NO BODY, not even the 93 year old hill billy who comes to town once a yer for the fair! Seriously, Ive met him. Weirdest speech pattern he has is saying "you-ins" instead of "y'all".

You’re absolutely correct, that ain’t no Tennessee accent - in fact, I got very little clue wtf kind of “Southern” accent that’s supposed to be.  Closest I can come is if someone smacked Blanche Deveraux across the mouth with a 2x4, this crap is supposed to be what comes out.  So - Atlanta Mushmouth, maybe...?

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Yes, but has he put 2 and 2 together? Did he realize they were being steered by the Whisperers? He did not in fact have any way of knowing at that point whether there were any Whisperers among that herd. In any event his realization of this fact, or lack thereof, has yet to be addressed. Alpha did not threaten to overrun Hilltop by bringing a hoard of Walkers down on them nor did Daryl raise that possibility to anyone or seem worried about it.

Considering these facts...

1. When Daryl/Jesus/Aaron initially set out on Operation Rescue Eugene, they all directly witnessed a herd moving strangely.
2. Eugene’s first words upon being found by the threesome were about how this herd was not moving normally; it had circled back around to the abandoned farmhouse several times, apparently in deliberate pursuit of him.
3. Later during the Eugene rescue, Daryl saw a herd atypically steer away from the diversion racket he and Dog were raising with the fireworks.
4. The existence of the Whisperers in this particular herd was revealed shortly after, in the cemetery attack.  Daryl was not present at the cemetery, but he’d clearly been fully briefed on the Whisperers goings-on - witness Daryl’s “shoot ‘em in the leg and see if they fall down screaming” methodology to sort out Whisperers from walkers.

...so yeah, I think Daryl got all that figured out.

1 hour ago, Josette said:

 I do think it's filth from wearing the mask.  Here's a good look at Alpha.  I don't think hygiene is important to people who walk among the dead.

I think Awful’s head is molding.

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I do find it interesting that in that charter or whatever they are calling it, they listed all of the communities:

Sanctuary, Oceanside, Alexandria, Hilltop, and Kingdom.

Just an FYI: the original charter (which Tara handed over to Ezekiel) only listed three communities - Alexandria, the Kingdom, and Oceanside:

Ezekiel apparently added in Hilltop and Sanctuary later:

Michonne’s original omission of the Sanctuary doesn’t surprise me too much, but the Hilltop omission certainly does.  That had to have been some seriously bad shit gone down between Michonne and Maggie - and I believe its root causes were just alluded to in this episode.

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[Iguessnot]

2 hours ago, diebartdie said:

Why does Alpha even have any sort of dialect at all? It would make perfect sense if she was just using (the actor's) normal accent, they are in Washington D.C., not "Dark Holler, Tennessee" which considering I live right next door to Dark Holler...nobody talks like that. NO BODY, not even the 93 year old hill billy who comes to town once a yer for the fair! Seriously, Ive met him. Weirdest speech pattern he has is saying "you-ins" instead of "y'all".

I tell you what though, I hate The Whisperers more than any other group we've ever met on this show. Seriously, ANYONE that would put an infant on the ground in front of a herd of walkers is a piece of shit who needs to die. That was wrong, the biggest wrong this show has done. Eat all the horses you want show, I dont GAF. Have as many "wife harems" as you want, it might piss me off, but I dont care. Put infants into that kind of danger and I will fight you show and I will win because I am filled to the brim with mad Xena Warrior Princess energy!

I glad someone even cares about baby humans.  A couple of episodes ago, folks were up in arms about those dogs Neagan closed the door on. I don't know why production added sounds of the dogs succumbing to the walker, That scene should have ended with the sounds of the dogs tearing the walker apart, which would have made sense and wouldn't have changed any outcome.  Just today there was a story of a woman's dogs causing her death. Neighbors went after those dogs with an ax and car parts before they stopped mauling their owner.

Anyway, I don't understand mourning killer canines yet feeling nothing for an infant. I don't hate the Whisperers yet, but I don't understand this lifestyle choice of theirs for the last 7 or so years.

[MDL]

11 hours ago, Butless said:

I thought the black around her eyes and mouth were tattooed?

 I thought that it might be to better blend her skin with the walker mask ,so that her skin wouldn't show through the holes in the mask (gross!)

[nodorothyparker]

44 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Does it really make sense that the Whisperers can simultaneously fool the walkers into thinking they are walkers, while getting them to follow them?  Don't walkers normally follow food sources, not other walkers?

If this were the case, herds wouldn't exist.  Over the years, we've seen walkers drawn to balloons, road flares, a clipboard of paper thrown into an intersection, etc., plus all the usual noises deliberate or otherwise.  Just this episode, the Kingdom crew lured them away from the theater entrance with music on a tape deck, which worked great until the tape deck died.  Herschel's farm was overrun because they were following a helicopter until they heard gunshots and went thataway.  Food is best, sure, but it seems like they respond to any kind of stimuli they can move toward and once one or two start moving in a particular direction, any others in the area will follow.

Whether it makes any sense for the Whisperers' masks to actually fool them, well, these are ambulatory corpses moving under the power of a brain stem sparking like my living room lamp with the short in it.  It apparently doesn't take much.  A little splatter here, a random foot around the neck there, gore-stained poncho, you're good.

[Gobi]

5 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I can't remember half of the new cast at all.   When you mentioned the girl with the glasses, I knew exactly who you were talking about. 

I couldn't remember the guy's name who was killed trying to save horses until they brought his name back up in this episode.  His name is Kenny.

Oh my God! They killed Kenny!

[mightysparrow]

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I think this is all about Rick's death.  

The Oceanside folks that were killing Saviors.  Maggie finding out about the Oceansiders involvement and doing nothing to stop it, and Sanctuary for obvious reasons.

Now that Maggie is gone from Hilltop, I would think Michonne would have no problem including them.

Have we seen Michonne and Daryl together yet?  I would think that there would be some problems there.

Michonne is the one who told Daryl he had to help Tara lead Hilltop because he was 'the best judge of character she knew'.  They exchanged enough meaningful looks to show that SOMETHING went down with them but I think we'll be older and way more tired before we find out what happened.

1 hour ago, Iguessnot said:

I glad someone even cares about baby humans.  A couple of episodes ago, folks were up in arms about those dogs Neagan closed the door on. I don't know why production added sounds of the dogs succumbing to the walker, That scene should have ended with the sounds of the dogs tearing the walker apart, which would have made sense and wouldn't have changed any outcome.  Just today there was a story of a woman's dogs causing her death. Neighbors went after those dogs with an ax and car parts before they stopped mauling their owner.

Anyway, I don't understand mourning killer canines yet feeling nothing for an infant. I don't hate the Whisperers yet, but I don't understand this lifestyle choice of theirs for the last 7 or so years.

Agreed. The casual way in which a human child was tossed around like it was nothing made me sick.  The internet would ring with outrage if that happened to a dog or a cat or even a chicken.

I don't hate the Whisperers either (I'm reserving my hate for Henry) but I'm already fed up to my back teeth with their nonsense.

Edited February 26, 2019 by mightysparrow

[SamBeckett]

36 minutes ago, Gobi said:

Oh my God! They killed Kenny!

Damn it!!! Kenny was my favorite. He's the one with the glasses, and the bow, and the sword, and the baseball bat, right? See, I have a handle on this show.

But seriously, what happens if a Whisperer sneezes or farts? I guess Alpha Centauri just stands back and lets him/her get eaten, huh? And if anyone has to take a piss, how does that work? Do the Whisperers have hand signals to let the others know what they're doing? And I guess absent-mindedly whistling is a no-no? And at night—how do the Whisperers go to bed? If I were asked to join the Whisperers, these are the things I'd want to know. It's called planning, people!

[OoohMaggie]

1 hour ago, Nashville said:

Just an FYI: the original charter (which Tara handed over to Ezekiel) only listed three communities - Alexandria, the Kingdom, and Oceanside:

On first viewing I thought the same myself, a second viewing had me thinking that at the first look at the Charter, the King’s hair was placed strategically, it was juuuust far enough over to obscure the H of Hilltop.

[Lady Iris]

9 minutes ago, SamBeckett said:

But seriously, what happens if a Whisperer sneezes or farts? I guess Alpha Centauri just stands back and lets him/her get eaten, huh? And if anyone has to take a piss, how does that work? Do the Whisperers have hand signals to let the others know what they're doing? And I guess absent-mindedly whistling is a no-no? And at night—how do the Whisperers go to bed? If I were asked to join the Whisperers, these are the things I'd want to know. It's called planning, people!

I'd take a guess and say a little urine wont freak them out what with the stench of decaying flesh and all.

If these Whisperer's make it old age will they make fun of the old people who smell like pee? Questions for the ZA I hope I never need to know the answers for.

And another thing, if I were a Whisperer, and lets say I did it purely as a means to survive and I started running into established communities who seem to somewhat have their shit together with shelter, food and general comraderie, WHY continue schlepping along like a living dead person?

Edited February 26, 2019 by Lady Iris
edited to add more useless rant

[Iguessnot]

9 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

On first viewing I thought the same myself, a second viewing had me thinking that at the first look at the Charter, the King’s hair was placed strategically, it was juuuust far enough over to obscure the H of Hilltop.

I though so too. It's a rather wide document for that first point of view.

[OoohMaggie]

58 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

I thought so too. It's a rather wide document for that first point of view.

The style of writing and the shade of ink also appears, to me at least, to be the same, which would be hard to replicate without using the same type of pen and ink. 

It does raise the question as to why the show would want to introduce this doubt as to what was written on the original charter, a bluff or double bluff maybe, the show usually does things for a reason. The next few weeks are going to be interesting to say the least.

Edited February 26, 2019 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

I admit after enjoying the humorous opening minutes scene with Jerry, telling Zeke and Carol that Nabila was ‘Bunned Up’  I completely missed the four year or so time jump that let us see Jerry’s three children before he went on the Elk hunt.

Must pay attention 😱