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I do find it interesting that in that charter or whatever they are calling it, they listed all of the communities:

Sanctuary, Oceanside, Alexandria, Hilltop, and Kingdom.

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52 minutes ago, Josette said:

Here's a good look at Alpha.  I don't think hygiene is important to people who walk among the dead.

Thanks. I think?🤢

Aside from hygiene, having rotten meat on your face and in your mouth is a good way to get sick and die, and of course aside from the fact that trying to remove decayed faces intact from rotting corpses would be an exercise in futility. But oh, well.

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's been long enough that it's probably safe to assume they all know the walkers can be lured in one direction by sound and movement.  We've seen Daryl do it before, mostly notably the giant walker parade a couple of seasons back.  From there, it's not a far reach to assume that if these people can walk among them they can probably also fairly easily turn a herd toward something specific if they're so inclined.  Get in front of them and they'll follow the movement as long as you keep going.

Does it really make sense that the Whisperers can simultaneously fool the walkers into thinking they are walkers, while getting them to follow them?  Don't walkers normally follow food sources, not other walkers?

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I do find it interesting that in that charter or whatever they are calling it, they listed all of the communities:

Sanctuary, Oceanside, Alexandria, Hilltop, and Kingdom.

Isn't the Sanctuary abandoned now? That seems like a stranger inclusion than Oceanside.  Have we heard anything about Oceanside since the time jump?

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3 hours ago, diebartdie said:

Why does Alpha even have any sort of dialect at all? It would make perfect sense if she was just using (the actor's) normal accent, they are in Washington D.C., not "Dark Holler, Tennessee" which considering I live right next door to Dark Holler...nobody talks like that. NO BODY, not even the 93 year old hill billy who comes to town once a yer for the fair! Seriously, Ive met him. Weirdest speech pattern he has is saying "you-ins" instead of "y'all".

You’re absolutely correct, that ain’t no Tennessee accent - in fact, I got very little clue wtf kind of “Southern” accent that’s supposed to be.  Closest I can come is if someone smacked Blanche Deveraux across the mouth with a 2x4, this crap is supposed to be what comes out.  So - Atlanta Mushmouth, maybe...?

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Yes, but has he put 2 and 2 together? Did he realize they were being steered by the Whisperers? He did not in fact have any way of knowing at that point whether there were any Whisperers among that herd. In any event his realization of this fact, or lack thereof, has yet to be addressed. Alpha did not threaten to overrun Hilltop by bringing a hoard of Walkers down on them nor did Daryl raise that possibility to anyone or seem worried about it.

Considering these facts...

  1. When Daryl/Jesus/Aaron initially set out on Operation Rescue Eugene, they all directly witnessed a herd moving strangely.
  2. Eugene’s first words upon being found by the threesome were about how this herd was not moving normally; it had circled back around to the abandoned farmhouse several times, apparently in deliberate pursuit of him.
  3. Later during the Eugene rescue, Daryl saw a herd atypically steer away from the diversion racket he and Dog were raising with the fireworks.
  4. The existence of the Whisperers in this particular herd was revealed shortly after, in the cemetery attack.  Daryl was not present at the cemetery, but he’d clearly been fully briefed on the Whisperers goings-on - witness Daryl’s “shoot ‘em in the leg and see if they fall down screaming” methodology to sort out Whisperers from walkers.

...so yeah, I think Daryl got all that figured out.

1 hour ago, Josette said:

 I do think it's filth from wearing the mask.  Here's a good look at Alpha.  I don't think hygiene is important to people who walk among the dead.

I think Awful’s head is molding.

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I do find it interesting that in that charter or whatever they are calling it, they listed all of the communities:

Sanctuary, Oceanside, Alexandria, Hilltop, and Kingdom.

Just an FYI: the original charter (which Tara handed over to Ezekiel) only listed three communities - Alexandria, the Kingdom, and Oceanside:

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Ezekiel apparently added in Hilltop and Sanctuary later:

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Michonne’s original omission of the Sanctuary doesn’t surprise me too much, but the Hilltop omission certainly does.  That had to have been some seriously bad shit gone down between Michonne and Maggie - and I believe its root causes were just alluded to in this episode.

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2 hours ago, diebartdie said:

Why does Alpha even have any sort of dialect at all? It would make perfect sense if she was just using (the actor's) normal accent, they are in Washington D.C., not "Dark Holler, Tennessee" which considering I live right next door to Dark Holler...nobody talks like that. NO BODY, not even the 93 year old hill billy who comes to town once a yer for the fair! Seriously, Ive met him. Weirdest speech pattern he has is saying "you-ins" instead of "y'all".

I tell you what though, I hate The Whisperers more than any other group we've ever met on this show. Seriously, ANYONE that would put an infant on the ground in front of a herd of walkers is a piece of shit who needs to die. That was wrong, the biggest wrong this show has done. Eat all the horses you want show, I dont GAF. Have as many "wife harems" as you want, it might piss me off, but I dont care. Put infants into that kind of danger and I will fight you show and I will win because I am filled to the brim with mad Xena Warrior Princess energy!

I glad someone even cares about baby humans.  A couple of episodes ago, folks were up in arms about those dogs Neagan closed the door on. I don't know why production added sounds of the dogs succumbing to the walker, That scene should have ended with the sounds of the dogs tearing the walker apart, which would have made sense and wouldn't have changed any outcome.  Just today there was a story of a woman's dogs causing her death. Neighbors went after those dogs with an ax and car parts before they stopped mauling their owner.

Anyway, I don't understand mourning killer canines yet feeling nothing for an infant. I don't hate the Whisperers yet, but I don't understand this lifestyle choice of theirs for the last 7 or so years.

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11 hours ago, Butless said:

I thought the black around her eyes and mouth were tattooed?

 I thought that it might be to better blend her skin with the walker mask ,so that her skin wouldn't show through the holes in the mask (gross!)

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38 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Just an FYI: the original charter (which Tara handed over to Ezekiel) only listed three communities - Alexandria, the Kingdom, and Oceanside:

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Ezekiel apparently added in Hilltop and Sanctuary later:

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Michonne’s original omission of the Sanctuary doesn’t surprise me too much, but the Hilltop omission certainly does.  That had to have been some seriously bad shit gone down between Michonne and Maggie - and I believe its root causes were just alluded to in this episode.

I think this is all about Rick's death.  

The Oceanside folks that were killing Saviors.  Maggie finding out about the Oceansiders involvement and doing nothing to stop it, and Sanctuary for obvious reasons.

Now that Maggie is gone from Hilltop, I would think Michonne would have no problem including them.

Have we seen Michonne and Daryl together yet?  I would think that there would be some problems there.

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44 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Does it really make sense that the Whisperers can simultaneously fool the walkers into thinking they are walkers, while getting them to follow them?  Don't walkers normally follow food sources, not other walkers?

If this were the case, herds wouldn't exist.  Over the years, we've seen walkers drawn to balloons, road flares, a clipboard of paper thrown into an intersection, etc., plus all the usual noises deliberate or otherwise.  Just this episode, the Kingdom crew lured them away from the theater entrance with music on a tape deck, which worked great until the tape deck died.  Herschel's farm was overrun because they were following a helicopter until they heard gunshots and went thataway.  Food is best, sure, but it seems like they respond to any kind of stimuli they can move toward and once one or two start moving in a particular direction, any others in the area will follow.

Whether it makes any sense for the Whisperers' masks to actually fool them, well, these are ambulatory corpses moving under the power of a brain stem sparking like my living room lamp with the short in it.  It apparently doesn't take much.  A little splatter here, a random foot around the neck there, gore-stained poncho, you're good.

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5 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I can't remember half of the new cast at all.   When you mentioned the girl with the glasses, I knew exactly who you were talking about. 

I couldn't remember the guy's name who was killed trying to save horses until they brought his name back up in this episode.  His name is Kenny.

Oh my God! They killed Kenny!

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1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

I think this is all about Rick's death.  

The Oceanside folks that were killing Saviors.  Maggie finding out about the Oceansiders involvement and doing nothing to stop it, and Sanctuary for obvious reasons.

Now that Maggie is gone from Hilltop, I would think Michonne would have no problem including them.

Have we seen Michonne and Daryl together yet?  I would think that there would be some problems there.

Michonne is the one who told Daryl he had to help Tara lead Hilltop because he was 'the best judge of character she knew'.  They exchanged enough meaningful looks to show that SOMETHING went down with them but I think we'll be older and way more tired before we find out what happened.

1 hour ago, Iguessnot said:

I glad someone even cares about baby humans.  A couple of episodes ago, folks were up in arms about those dogs Neagan closed the door on. I don't know why production added sounds of the dogs succumbing to the walker, That scene should have ended with the sounds of the dogs tearing the walker apart, which would have made sense and wouldn't have changed any outcome.  Just today there was a story of a woman's dogs causing her death. Neighbors went after those dogs with an ax and car parts before they stopped mauling their owner.

Anyway, I don't understand mourning killer canines yet feeling nothing for an infant. I don't hate the Whisperers yet, but I don't understand this lifestyle choice of theirs for the last 7 or so years.

Agreed. The casual way in which a human child was tossed around like it was nothing made me sick.  The internet would ring with outrage if that happened to a dog or a cat or even a chicken.

I don't hate the Whisperers either (I'm reserving my hate for Henry) but I'm already fed up to my back teeth with their nonsense.

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36 minutes ago, Gobi said:

Oh my God! They killed Kenny!

Damn it!!! Kenny was my favorite. He's the one with the glasses, and the bow, and the sword, and the baseball bat, right? See, I have a handle on this show.

But seriously, what happens if a Whisperer sneezes or farts? I guess Alpha Centauri just stands back and lets him/her get eaten, huh? And if anyone has to take a piss, how does that work? Do the Whisperers have hand signals to let the others know what they're doing? And I guess absent-mindedly whistling is a no-no? And at night—how do the Whisperers go to bed? If I were asked to join the Whisperers, these are the things I'd want to know. It's called planning, people!

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1 hour ago, Nashville said:

Just an FYI: the original charter (which Tara handed over to Ezekiel) only listed three communities - Alexandria, the Kingdom, and Oceanside:

On first viewing I thought the same myself, a second viewing had me thinking that at the first look at the Charter, the King’s hair was placed strategically, it was juuuust far enough over to obscure the H of Hilltop.

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9 minutes ago, SamBeckett said:

But seriously, what happens if a Whisperer sneezes or farts? I guess Alpha Centauri just stands back and lets him/her get eaten, huh? And if anyone has to take a piss, how does that work? Do the Whisperers have hand signals to let the others know what they're doing? And I guess absent-mindedly whistling is a no-no? And at night—how do the Whisperers go to bed? If I were asked to join the Whisperers, these are the things I'd want to know. It's called planning, people!

I'd take a guess and say a little urine wont freak them out what with the stench of decaying flesh and all.

If these Whisperer's make it old age will they make fun of the old people who smell like pee? Questions for the ZA I hope I never need to know the answers for.

And another thing, if I were a Whisperer, and lets say I did it purely as a means to survive and I started running into established communities who seem to somewhat have their shit together with shelter, food and general comraderie, WHY continue schlepping along like a living dead person?

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9 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

On first viewing I thought the same myself, a second viewing had me thinking that at the first look at the Charter, the King’s hair was placed strategically, it was juuuust far enough over to obscure the H of Hilltop.

I though so too. It's a rather wide document for that first point of view.

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58 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

I thought so too. It's a rather wide document for that first point of view.

The style of writing and the shade of ink also appears, to me at least, to be the same, which would be hard to replicate without using the same type of pen and ink. 

It does raise the question as to why the show would want to introduce this doubt as to what was written on the original charter, a bluff or double bluff maybe, the show usually does things for a reason. The next few weeks are going to be interesting to say the least.

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I admit after enjoying the humorous opening minutes scene with Jerry, telling Zeke and Carol that Nabila was ‘Bunned Up’  I completely missed the four year or so time jump that let us see Jerry’s three children before he went on the Elk hunt.

Must pay attention 😱

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3 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

Anyway, I don't understand mourning killer canines yet feeling nothing for an infant.

I did mention leaving the baby because it was crying, but I think we all pretty well knew no one was going to stand by and watch an infant being eaten alive, which of course didn't happen, unlike with nearly every single animal who has been on this show.

3 hours ago, Nashville said:

I think Awful’s head is molding.

It looks exactly like black mold I once had in an unused bathroom in my home. I'd hate to be downwind of any of those characters. Daryl may be filthy but at least he's not actually moldy and doesn't smell like rotted flesh. I guess, anyway.

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2 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

If this were the case, herds wouldn't exist.  Over the years, we've seen walkers drawn to balloons, road flares, a clipboard of paper thrown into an intersection, etc., plus all the usual noises deliberate or otherwise.  Just this episode, the Kingdom crew lured them away from the theater entrance with music on a tape deck, which worked great until the tape deck died.  Herschel's farm was overrun because they were following a helicopter until they heard gunshots and went thataway.  Food is best, sure, but it seems like they respond to any kind of stimuli they can move toward and once one or two start moving in a particular direction, any others in the area will follow.

Whether it makes any sense for the Whisperers' masks to actually fool them, well, these are ambulatory corpses moving under the power of a brain stem sparking like my living room lamp with the short in it.  It apparently doesn't take much.  A little splatter here, a random foot around the neck there, gore-stained poncho, you're good.

My thought is that if they are fooling them, they won't be followed.  I assume that the walkers herd, not because walkers are drawn to other walkers, but because they are following the same stimulus (food, noise, balloons, or whatever)   Now, maybe they could generate some sort of noise or other attraction for the walkers to follow, while they are walking among them.  

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1 hour ago, OoohMaggie said:

On first viewing I thought the same myself, a second viewing had me thinking that at the first look at the Charter, the King’s hair was placed strategically, it was juuuust far enough over to obscure the H of Hilltop.

1 hour ago, Iguessnot said:

I though so too. It's a rather wide document for that first point of view.

Upon review, I think you’re right; what I originally took to be the edge of the paper in the first image, I now think is simply the edge of Ezekiel’s black jacket blocking the view of the rest of the paper.

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ETA: Darn - and I already had an entire storyline 3/4 built in my head as to why Michonne would’ve omitted Hilltop.  Guess THAT’S in the crapper now.  😄

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4 hours ago, SamBeckett said:

But seriously, what happens if a Whisperer sneezes or farts? I guess Alpha Centauri just stands back and lets him/her get eaten, huh? And if anyone has to take a piss, how does that work? Do the Whisperers have hand signals to let the others know what they're doing? And I guess absent-mindedly whistling is a no-no? And at night—how do the Whisperers go to bed? If I were asked to join the Whisperers, these are the things I'd want to know. It's called planning, people!

Well if they're willing to walk around wearing corpse skins while surrounded by more corpses, wouldnt they just do their business right where they were? They're already filthy beyond measure. Whisperers are just so dumb.

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16 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

They probably want to find a way to unite the communities.  It is Saturday Night, we can all go to the Kingdom and watch a movie that type of thing,

First movie to start with:  Shaun of the dead

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8 hours ago, heisenberg said:

First movie to start with:  Shaun of the dead

You win the Internet for today.

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So, in all of the episodes since the back half of the season started, our "Merry Band of Morons" haven't learned that it isn't always wise to go running after people who haven't come back to Hilltop?  

Jesus died while trying to retrieve useless Eugene.  Sure, Eugene was helpful making bullets, but what has he done in the past six years?

Now, useless Henry runs off like an entitled spoiled brat, and Daryl and the deaf girl are going to run after him?

Henry should be Carol's problem, not pawned off on Daryl to take care of.  If any of them die the blame goes all on Henry.

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My thought is that if they are fooling them, they won't be followed.  I assume that the walkers herd, not because walkers are drawn to other walkers, but because they are following the same stimulus (food, noise, balloons, or whatever)   Now, maybe they could generate some sort of noise or other attraction for the walkers to follow, while they are walking among them.  

That's just the thing though - two episodes ago Daryl tried to lure a herd towards him so Aaron could get Eugene back to Hilltop. He had fire crackers (don't ask me where the hell he got them) and he had Dog barking but the herd just ignored him and went elsewhere. 

So it's not the case that the herd is just following the Whisperers for the same reason they follow anything else, otherwise Daryl should have been able to distract them into going in a different direction. The Whisperers are doing something else, something new, to keep their attention.

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As annoying as Henry is, I don't mind Daryl and Connie going after him.  I don't want to watch a show where no one cares about anyone else.   It was very accommodating of Henry to leave a note though, and good thing that other girl wandered by his room.  It reminded me of when my brother was a kid, he ran away and left a note "I ran away; I'm at Andy's" .  Andy being our cousin.

I like how guy whose name I don't remember signed to Connie about the baby and how she didn't hesitate.  As I said in the live posting thread, I thought the scene in the cornfield was well done; a good bit of tension because we were sharing Connie's perspective.

The bulb excursion of the Kingdom people was entertaining.  No one died, there was music and humor and I like everyone.  There was a bit when they were first playing the music and Jerry is grooving along and he and Carol share a glance and she all but rolls her eyes, hee.   Just pay no attention to the falling anvils, everyone!

7 hours ago, iMonrey said:

The Whisperers are doing something else, something new, to keep their attention.

Or the show could be inconsistent (nahhh).  Anyway, we will see.  If they show the Whisperers having conversations with those skins over their faces, that is going to be silly I think. 

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22 minutes ago, raven said:

If they show the Whisperers having conversations with those skins over their faces, that is going to be silly I think. 

Think of all the globules of rotted flesh they're swallowing as they talk. Or whisper. Major halitosis problem there. My burning question is: When are getting the FAIR??

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1 minute ago, AngelaHunter said:

Think of all the globules of rotted flesh they're swallowing as they talk. Or whisper. Major halitosis problem there. My burning question is: When are getting the FAIR??

I'm pretty sure I'm going to laugh if we see them hanging out, skin faced and gossiping or whatever.

I am here for the fair 😄 damn it.

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Cant Lydia just come back later? Will Alpha just keep coming back for her over and over again? This is a lot of drama for something that seems pretty easily dealt with. And Henry is just...ugggg. This kid is dumb and short sighted even for a teenager now, let alone a teenager who grew up in the ZA raised by Carol and Ezekiel. What a little twerp.

That being said, I did actually like this episode a lot more than last week. The stuff with the Kingdom was fun and sweet, although seeing Jerry happily tell Ezekiel how he was going to be a dad made me very nervous for him. Like, oh Jerry, why dont you just put on a red shirt and start talking about your retirement party?! Better not be messing with Jerry, show!

I do appreciate that Daryl cares about dumb Henry and wants to help him, and he and Connie could be a fun combination, they both are generally competent and the actors had a good vibe going in their one scene. But for practicalities sake, its going to suck if the community loses two good fighters for one dumbass.  I also liked the whole sequence where they saved the baby, it was shot and edited really well, it felt really intense, from where the guy signed about the baby behind his back, to the field stuff with the sound going almost out. 

So The Whispers are yet another group of weirdos that have apparently been around for this entire time and no one noticed? Why are they going on about trespassing on their property, I thought their whole deal was wandering around? Its not like they pitch many flags. The Whispers raise a lot of weird questions (like how the hell are they not all dead?!?) but I am already more interested in them as villains than the fucking Saviors. I would take a pack of deranged Sailor Moon cosplayers over the Saviors.

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On 2/27/2019 at 5:44 PM, iMonrey said:

The Whisperers are doing something else, something new, to keep their attention.

That’s by all means possible and I really hope your correct, i rather think the show is just being lazy again, “to hell with the way they’ve been behaving for nine years, if we need them to ignore fireworks and a barking dog to suit that episode, then that’s exactly what they’re going to do!”                                                                   Next week we’ll probably have someone sneeze and bring half a herd down on their head

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18 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

if we need them to ignore fireworks and a barking dog to suit that episode, then that’s exactly what they’re going to do!

I hate to even mention this, but what about the last "New Rule" we had when just getting zombie fluids in a cut or whatever would kill people? Now we have a whole group with zombie flesh and goo on their faces, at their eyes, and in their mouths and...well, I guess "New Rule" has been crossed out. Or maybe it was just a figment of our collective imaginations.

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Cant Lydia just come back later? Will Alpha just keep coming back for her over and over again?

Come to think of it, how did Alpha even know where Lydia was in the first place? They killed everyone else in her group so who told Alpha where she was taken? 

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On 2/27/2019 at 8:41 PM, raven said:

The bulb excursion of the Kingdom people was entertaining.  No one died, there was music and humor and I like everyone.  There was a bit when they were first playing the music and Jerry is grooving along and he and Carol share a glance and she all but rolls her eyes, hee.   Just pay no attention to the falling anvils, everyone!

Jerry mouthed the word "sister" and then winked at Carol. E ver since Jerry had shown up, Ive liked him better than Carol. They pretty much ruined her character by making her a curmudgeon who reacted to things like a toddler, including running away, and not leaving a note. 

Id be happier if they gave Jerry a 5 year contract and plot armor instead of Carol.  Im dreading his eventual demise. Which is sure to happen, since he's had 3 kids and Carols still around him. Lucks running out.

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On 2/25/2019 at 7:38 PM, seacliffsal said:

I am impressed with Daryl's development in that his increased role and speaking parts just feel natural.  It makes me a bit sad that they didn't have him do more with Rick while Rick was still in the story.

I can agree with that. Norman Reedus and the writers have managed to successfully elevate Daryl into a leading role in short order. I also have a suspicion that they are shooting him differently. He has a main character aura that wasn't present before.

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The problem with this series has always been a writing issue, more so than an acting issue.

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On 3/1/2019 at 3:41 AM, Butless said:

Id be happier if they gave Jerry a 5 year contract and plot armor instead of Carol.  Im dreading his eventual demise. Which is sure to happen, since he's had 3 kids and Carols still around him. Lucks running out.

Jerry, yet another character that would never have survived Terminus.   Plenty of leftovers for the next day, much like left over turkey on Thanksgiving.  Jerry Tetrazzini just rolls of the tongue.

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On 3/3/2019 at 11:43 AM, icemiser69 said:

The problem with this series has always been a writing issue, more so than an acting issue.

Bad writing can bring to bad acting,  even from the best actors.

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On 2/25/2019 at 12:02 PM, Bryce Lynch said:

a) Don't they have any sort of communications system between the communities to send urgent messages, like "The President of the Hilltop has been murdered by humans disguised as walkers.

They showed the messengers going the other way when Michonne was escorting the new group, Magda et al, to stay with Alexandria(?). They were carrying news that Rosita was found wounded and Eugene was missing.

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On 2/26/2019 at 12:37 PM, icemiser69 said:

Daryl witnessed it first hand.  Back when they all went looking for the town whiner "Eugene".  Shortly before Jesus was killed.   They all noticed that the walkers were acting strangely.

Didn't he see a herd turn away from his attempt to distract them with noise? They turned and headed into the bushes instead of following his lead.

Edited to add - As Nashville posted:

Later during the Eugene rescue, Daryl saw a herd atypically steer away from the diversion racket he and Dog were raising with the fireworks.

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On 3/4/2019 at 10:04 PM, heisenberg said:

Bad writing can bring to bad acting,  even from the best actors.

Not always. I see actors like Kurt Russell and Jeff Bridges who never give a bad performance, even in the crappiest movies. Of course most of the actors in this show will never be on that level.

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23 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

Not always. I see actors like Kurt Russell and Jeff Bridges who never give a bad performance, even in the crappiest movies. Of course most of the actors in this show will never be on that level.

As long as the actor/actress understand the character that they are playing and how that character fits into the script even if the script is lousy I agree with you.  However, sometimes an actor/actress really doesn't understand the character that they are playing.   Add having to deal with a lousy script on top of that and you have an epic disaster.

Kind of like "Live Aid" when Phil Collins and Led Zeppelin were on stage together.  Yikes that was awful.    Phil Collins on his own or with Genesis awesome.  Led Zeppelin on their own, awesome.  Sometimes together they are just a bad fit.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/phil-collins-recalls-led-zeppelin-reunion-disaster/

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4 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

As long as the actor/actress understand the character that they are playing and how that character fits into the script even if the script is lousy I agree with you.  However, sometimes an actor/actress really doesn't understand the character that they are playing.   Add having to deal with a lousy script on top of that and you have an epic disaster.

Even worst, sometimes the actor would be able to cope with all that you mentionned but the director do everything to mix them up and they become as bad as possible.

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25 minutes ago, heisenberg said:

Even worst, sometimes the actor would be able to cope with all that you mentionned but the director do everything to mix them up and they become as bad as possible.

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