The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[Dandesun]

I understand the deal fell through anyway. So...

I, personally, just want anyone to get in there with the X-Men and start doing it well. The embarrassment of riches they've got with characters that Fox has, so far, squandered is downright criminal. I will say, though, they did a bang up job of the Magneto/Professor X dynamic and that's great. And they certainly stuck gold with the supernova of charisma that is Hugh Jackman for Wolverine. And I fucking loathe Wolverine. And don't even get me started on Mystique. Seriously. Don't. They could have salvaged that by bringing in Irene Adler but they did not. I'm stopping there. Fox needs to pull its head out of its ass and do right by STORM, dammit. Make Rogue a flying brick. Give me some swashbuckling charming as fuck Kurt Wagner. It shouldn't be this damn hard! You want edgy? Go right in on the X-Men having to go underground in the #180-220 era of Uncanny and dealing with the Morlocks. And stop trying to tell Phoenix stories if you can't write Jean!!

As for Avengers movies... it's going to be very interesting to me to see where they go once Iron Man and Cap are out of the game. I mean, they can do with Falcon or Bucky taking on the Cap mantle and T'Challa and/or Shuri will step in for Tony's genius but they've really got to start diversifying there, too. I think they've laid some groundwork but they've got to step it up.

[Dee]

9 hours ago, Dandesun said:

Give me some swashbuckling charming as fuck Kurt Wagner.

Yes please. I have a love/hate relationship with Gore Verbinski, but I'd totally watch Kurt in a Pirates Of The Caribbean style action/adventure film.

Throw in Mystique and Azazel as his star-crossed parents, Rogue as his eternally loyal first mate, and Nocturne as his irrepressible protege and you have a full fledged hit.

[Jazzy24]

Seeing the Black Panther posters just reaffirmed my idea that the X-Men needs to be back with Marvel. 

To see Storm in a movie like that would be everything. Where she would get the respect and attention that she deserved under writers and directors. 

[HunterHunted]

20 hours ago, Dandesun said:

Fox needs to pull its head out of its ass and do right by STORM, dammit. Make Rogue a flying brick. Give me some swashbuckling charming as fuck Kurt Wagner. It shouldn't be this damn hard! You want edgy? Go right in on the X-Men having to go underground in the #180-220 era of Uncanny and dealing with the Morlocks. And stop trying to tell Phoenix stories if you can't write Jean!!

It makes me wonder what Storm would have been like if we had gotten Angela Bassett instead of Halle Berry. There's no way that Angela would have been ok with their quarter-assed treatment of Storm. I would have loved charming sexy Kurt, but the X-Men film franchise has the shallowest grasp on anyone who isn't Magneto, Xavier, or Wolverine.

The deal looks dead. Hooray. I didn't think it would result in anything good especially for the X franchise. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

6 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

It makes me wonder what Storm would have been like if we had gotten Angela Bassett instead of Halle Berry.

Wasn't the studio unable to meet Bassett's asking price? At the time Storm was originally cast, Halle Berry was the one whose financial demands they could afford to meet, and while it would have been a better portrayal, Bassett's clout is what made her out of reach paycheck-wise.

Also?

[Kel Varnsen]

5 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Wasn't the studio unable to meet Bassett's asking price? At the time Storm was originally cast, Halle Berry was the one whose financial demands they could afford to meet, and while it would have been a better portrayal, Bassett's clout is what made her out of reach paycheck-wise.
 

That movie was made for super cheap, especially by today's standards because no one was really sure if a movie about superheroes not named Batman or Superman thay most people hadn't heard of would be a hit. It only cost like 75 million to make.

[Dandesun]

Oh my God!! I'm a well-adjusted middle child! 

I'M THOR!!

Woooooo!!!

[Vera]

Thoughts?

[HunterHunted]

21 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

That movie was made for super cheap, especially by today's standards because no one was really sure if a movie about superheroes not named Batman or Superman thay most people hadn't heard of would be a hit. It only cost like 75 million to make.

$75 million is only cheap because the cast of the movie is massive, but adjusted for inflation it's about $110 million. That's not a super small budget either. Deadpool was made for $58 million. Dunkirk was made for $100 million. As I said above the massive cast and their salary demands were the biggest impediments. Berry and Stewart were commanding between $2 - 5 million per picture. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a third of that budget was just salaries.

[Kel Varnsen]

4 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

$75 million is only cheap because the cast of the movie is massive, but adjusted for inflation it's about $110 million. That's not a super small budget either. Deadpool was made for $58 million. Dunkirk was made for $100 million. As I said above the massive cast and their salary demands were the biggest impediments. Berry and Stewart were commanding between $2 - 5 million per picture. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if a third of that budget was just salaries.

Even for action movies at the time it was cheap though. Both Gladiator and Mission Impossible II cost significantly more (MI2 was 125 million). Even What Women Want cost 70 million. If you are adjusting for todays standards, X-Men Apocalypse cost 178 mil and DoFP cost 200.

[Jazzy24]

4 hours ago, Vera said:

Thoughts?

I really don’t care about Black Widow getting a movie and I never did. The character is interesting enough and I like her but I would be like “whatever” and the tone needs to be the same as Winter Soldier. 

But the next female Marvel led movie after Captain Marvel needs to be a WOC like America Chavez or Monica Rambeau(Spectrum). 

[Raja]

4 hours ago, Vera said:

Thoughts?

As a lower powered Avenger I can't think of a stand alone story demanding a movie. As a prequel a child KGB Agent during the fall of the Soviet Union and an unmasked Hydra running around

[Wynterwolf]

I'd actually love to see them do some smaller scale movies with team ups with the core Avengers team, since we've now basically had a Thor and Bruce team up... Black Widow, with Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch as supporting characters...  Steve, Bucky and Sam in their own movie, etc.    With storylines that are a bit more personal, and not quite so epic and potentially Universe ending.  

 

Also, on an unrelated note... does anyone have any ideas for interesting or different things for Chris E, Seb Stan and Anthony Mackie to sign in an autograph line?  I need help!! 

[scriggle]

1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:

I'd actually love to see them do some smaller scale movies with team ups with the core Avengers team, since we've now basically had a Thor and Bruce team up... Black Widow, with Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch as supporting characters...  Steve, Bucky and Sam in their own movie, etc.    With storylines that are a bit more personal, and not quite so epic and potentially Universe ending.  

 

Also, on an unrelated note... does anyone have any ideas for interesting or different things for Chris E, Seb Stan and Anthony Mackie to sign in an autograph line?  I need help!! 

That's what I want too. I want character exploration and development not mega-sized cgi intensive fight and action scenes strung together. I think I'd find the "smaller" movies more satisfying. I've always said I'd love a Black Widow & Hawkeye team-up that gave us the story of what happened in Budapest.

As for the autographs, get a replica Cap shield and have them sign it.

[Wynterwolf]

2 minutes ago, scriggle said:

As for the autographs, get a replica Cap shield and have them sign it.

Oh, good idea!!  Especially since all three are potentially linked to it!  

[Vera]

I want a Black Widow movie. She's the MCU's first female superhero and is the only one (Hawkeye aside) who doesn't have a solo feature. I'd like it if they went for a darker tone (kinda like Jessica Jones), but since this is Disney, I'll settle for a WS kinda movie. I'd also like them to keep Bucky far far away from it. BW's background has a lot of heavy elements to it (Child soldiers, child abuse, forced sterilization, etc), and while they should probably avoid origins movie, I'd like to see some of that explored.

Or she can spend a movie saving the boys, who've all been captured by someone. Or something. I just want to see more than we've gotten so far before they are phased out.

I was thinking the other day, that a movie I would have like to see was one of Steve, Nat, Sam, Clint & Wanda on the run. Imagine the possible character interactions!

Depending on how they're received, it would be nice to see a female character from BP get their own solo. Now that we have Captain Marvel, hopefully, it won't be too long before we get Kamala Khan.

There's also this:

Tessa Thompson, Scarlett Johansson, and Zoe Saldana Pitched Marvel an All-Female Supehero Blockbuster

I mean, if there was a way to do it, why not?

[stealinghome]

11 hours ago, Vera said:

Thoughts?

I, for one, am excited. Black Widow has a backstory that is absolutely BEGGING for exploration and which would lend itself very very well to a more standalone movie. Make it Atomic Blonde or Winter Soldier or Bourne-esque and it'll be perfect.

The writer and director will be absolutely key.

No Bucky please, but I'd be okay with Steve, Sam,  Wanda, and (begrudgingly, though I do like his wife) Clint as supporting characters.

[HunterHunted]

4 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

I'd actually love to see them do some smaller scale movies with team ups with the core Avengers team, since we've now basically had a Thor and Bruce team up... Black Widow, with Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch as supporting characters...  Steve, Bucky and Sam in their own movie, etc.    With storylines that are a bit more personal, and not quite so epic and potentially Universe ending.

2 hours ago, scriggle said:

That's what I want too. I want character exploration and development not mega-sized cgi intensive fight and action scenes strung together. I think I'd find the "smaller" movies more satisfying. I've always said I'd love a Black Widow & Hawkeye team-up that gave us the story of what happened in Budapest.

 

I would love a Budapest movie, especially if it's a bit Nick and Nora lite.

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Also, on an unrelated note... does anyone have any ideas for interesting or different things for Chris E, Seb Stan and Anthony Mackie to sign in an autograph line?  I need help!! 

2 hours ago, scriggle said:

As for the autographs, get a replica Cap shield and have them sign it.

 

Some questions about the parameters. Does it need to be the same for all three? Does it need to be from the movies? Can it be meme-y? Same merch?

Some thoughts:

Mackie--"cut the check"

Evans--"I could do this all day", "Bucky!!!", "All the best, Chris Pine Pratt Hemsworth Evans," or "I'm not Laurence Fishburne."

Stan--"Steve!!!", "Steve?", "Steve," or maybe all three.

Inspiration

http://www.dorkly.com/post/76700/signed-your-friends-at-dorkly-dot-com

I'm kind of an asshole, which is why I would never ask for an autograph because my asshole tendencies come out in regular situations. I'd be awful near a celeb. I kind of grew up interacting with some, which is how I know I sort of suck when interacting with famous people.

Edited November 11, 2017 by HunterHunted

[JustaPerson]

3 hours ago, Vera said:

but since this is Disney, I'll settle for a WS kinda movie.

I don't know, this is the same company that was okay with killing everyone off in Rogue One. 

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Mackie--"cut the check"

omg cut the check! That's perfect!

[Wynterwolf]

3 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I would love a Budapest movie, especially if it's a bit Nick and Nora lite.

Some questions about the parameters. Does it need to be the same for all three? Does it need to be from the movies? Can it be meme-y? Same merch?

Some thoughts:

Mackie--"cut the check"

Evans--"I could do this all day", "Bucky!!!", "All the best, Chris Pine Pratt Hemsworth Evans," or "I'm not Laurence Fishburne."

 

Stan--"Steve!!!", "Steve?", "Steve," or maybe all three.

Inspiration

http://www.dorkly.com/post/76700/signed-your-friends-at-dorkly-dot-com

I'm kind of an asshole, which is why I would never ask for an autograph because my asshole tendencies come out in regular situations. I'd be awful near a celeb. I kind of grew up interacting with some, which is how I know I sort of suck when interacting with famous people.

LOLOL  "Cut the check!" would be perfect for Mackie!!  HEE!  And those examples are hilarious!  Thank you for the inspiration!  

 

Saw the trainler for Red Sparrow tonight... it felt more La Femme Nikita-ish than Black Widow-ish.  I thought the trailer was pretty disappointing, actually.  

Edited November 12, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[HunterHunted]

I actually think the combo of "I'm not Laurence Fishburne. All the best, Chris Pine Pratt Hemsworth Evans" would be hysterical.

[Perfect Xero]

Set the Black Widow movie during the Cold War, Natasha Vs Peggy Carter.

[Wynterwolf]

24 minutes ago, Perfect Xero said:

Set the Black Widow movie during the Cold War, Natasha Vs Peggy Carter.

Wouldn't MCU Black Widow only be about 6 at the end of the cold war?  But even if you went later, but still back into MCU Natasha's history, I'd think you could still probably find something to overlap with Peggy and that would be awesome.  

And oh... I never realized until I looked up the dates that Howard was killed right at the end of the Cold War, when the USSR collapsed, like within a few days of the official dissolution.  Huh. 

Edited November 12, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[scriggle]

In the MCU, Natasha was born in 1984 iirc. Zola give her dob in the bunker scene in Cap2.

Of course they could go the "Black Widow" is a title route and set it in a different timeframe with a non-Natasha Black Widow.

[Raja]

13 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

Wouldn't MCU Black Widow only be about 6 at the end of the cold war?  But even if you went later, but still back into MCU Natasha's history, I'd think you could still probably find something to overlap with Peggy and that would be awesome.  

And oh... I never realized until I looked up the dates that Howard was killed right at the end of the Cold War, when the USSR collapsed.  Huh. 

She would be she specifically stated that she was KGB, and given her career we don't want to say she meant FSB but told an audience KGB so that we would recognize the name faster. That the MCU had President Ellis and not President Obama we can slide that time scale to put her Red Room training and first missions under the Soviet Union and not the Russian Federation

[Wynterwolf]

Yeah, they can definitely make the timeline to fit what they want, though the Red Room program was probably started well before, under the KGB.  And hey, maybe after the collapse it was actually Hydra hiding under the guise of the old KGB as Nat would have believed, but still not part of the new FSB! :-D

[Cobalt Stargazer]

2 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

Yeah, they can definitely make the timeline to fit what they want, though the Red Room program was probably started well before, under the KGB.  And hey, maybe after the collapse it was actually Hydra hiding under the guise of the old KGB as Nat would have believed, but still not part of the new FSB! :-D

I could swear I read somewhere that there's one 'verse where Natasha got a version of the serum Steve got as part of being in the Red Room,and although she wasn't in a seventy year coma following that, it slowed her aging process. Someone who knows the comics better than I do can tell me if that's true or no.

[Joe]

1 minute ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I could swear I read somewhere that there's one 'verse where Natasha got a version of the serum Steve got as part of being in the Red Room,and although she wasn't in a seventy year coma following that, it slowed her aging process. Someone who knows the comics better than I do can tell me if that's true or no.

If they use that element, she could be Anastasia Romanov. Though probably not. Still, it could make 1984 her in-universe retconned birth date. Plenty of time for her to have cold war fun and games.

But I'm not interested in a Budapest story. It's a fine little moment implying all kinds of things, and doesn't need to be dragged into the light. Marvel could tell a whole new story from her past.

[Which Tyler]

20 hours ago, Wynterwolf said:

Also, on an unrelated note... does anyone have any ideas for interesting or different things for Chris E, Seb Stan and Anthony Mackie to sign in an autograph line?  I need help!! 

An IronMan mask?...

[Wynterwolf]

2 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

An IronMan mask?...

HA!  That could be awesome, especially if I asked them to doodle on it.  

[starri]

After just two weekends, Ragnarok is now the most successful of the Thor sub-franchise.

[Kel Varnsen]

20 hours ago, Raja said:

She would be she specifically stated that she was KGB, and given her career we don't want to say she meant FSB but told an audience KGB so that we would recognize the name faster. That the MCU had President Ellis and not President Obama we can slide that time scale to put her Red Room training and first missions under the Soviet Union and not the Russian Federation

Yea there is no reason to assume that the USSR fell at the same time in the real world as it did in the MCU.

[Perfect Xero]

17 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

An IronMan mask?...

Oh man, a partially crushed Iron Man helmet with their signatures would be amazing.

Plan B: Ask them to sign the Sokovia Accords.

[Perfect Xero]

On 11/11/2017 at 10:25 PM, Wynterwolf said:

Wouldn't MCU Black Widow only be about 6 at the end of the cold war?  But even if you went later, but still back into MCU Natasha's history, I'd think you could still probably find something to overlap with Peggy and that would be awesome.  

And oh... I never realized until I looked up the dates that Howard was killed right at the end of the Cold War, when the USSR collapsed, like within a few days of the official dissolution.  Huh. 

In the comics she was born, like, 10 years after Steve and was a kid during WWII, I was thinking that they'd do the same thing here. Any references to her age in previous movies could be explained as false identity spy stuff.

[Which Tyler]

5 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

Oh man, a partially crushed Iron Man helmet with their signatures would be amazing.

Plan B: Ask them to sign the Sokovia Accords.

You could ask them to claim individual dents; maybe a "wish you were here" to Mackie (or a "wish I'd been there" from him)

[Wynterwolf]

7 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

In the comics she was born, like, 10 years after Steve and was a kid during WWII, I was thinking that they'd do the same thing here. Any references to her age in previous movies could be explained as false identity spy stuff.

Ah!  That is probably something they could do in the current MCU... interesting.  And not that it means anything really, they can still change what they want, but the entry for the USSR in the MCU wiki does have it ending (and thus, I would think, the KGB) in (Dec) 1991, which does seem like it could be tied somehow to Howard's death and the confiscation of his version of the SuperSoldier serum.  

 

7 hours ago, Perfect Xero said:

Oh man, a partially crushed Iron Man helmet with their signatures would be amazing.

Plan B: Ask them to sign the Sokovia Accords.

 

2 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

You could ask them to claim individual dents; maybe a "wish you were here" to Mackie (or a "wish I'd been there" from him)

OMG... that would be perfect!!  Now I need to look for an Iron Man mask... heehehehehhhehhehehehhe.

[Wynterwolf]

Question for people familiar with the comics:

Did anyone else use the shield, or act as Captain America, when Steve was Nomad?

[benteen]

On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 7:36 PM, HunterHunted said:

Fox does own the rights to the original Star Wars trilogy and the prequels. Right now, Disney can only show or release the versions of the trilogy that George Lucas has tinkered to death. The remastered, but otherwise untouched versions are still owned by Fox. They'd also get the Avatar sequels.

Fox only owns the first Star Wars movie, A New Hope.  But George Lucas made a deal that gave him sequel and merchandising rights to Star Wars so he owned the next five movies that he made.  Disney now owns them.  Fox never owned The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi or the prequels.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Yep, still annoyed.

[Raja]

39 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Yep, still annoyed.

Only the dead one faced the threat of lawyers coming for him

[Vera]

1 hour ago, Wynterwolf said:

Question for people familiar with the comics:

Did anyone else use the shield, or act as Captain America, when Steve was Nomad?

Nope!

Steve wasn't Nomad for very long though, just a few issues. At the end of it, he decides he can be Cap without supporting the government.

[Wynterwolf]

1 minute ago, Vera said:

Nope!

Steve wasn't Nomad for very long though, just a few issues. At the end of it, he decides he can be Cap without supporting the government.

Cool, thanks Vera!!

Edited November 13, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[Bruinsfan]

I say present Chris Evans with a can of whipped cream to sign and tell him you're a big fan of Not Another Teen Movie. That ought to be good for a blush and some laughter from his costars.

[Wynterwolf]

I had to google that... I am still trying to catch my breath.  LOLOLOL!!!!!

[Dandesun]

29 minutes ago, Vera said:

Nope!

Steve wasn't Nomad for very long though, just a few issues. At the end of it, he decides he can be Cap without supporting the government.

He tripped over the cape, too. I think his Nomad run lasted all of four issues.  Others have taken on the Nomad mantle since. One was paid by the Red Skull to discredit Cap, one was Ian Rogers, Arnim Zola's kid that Steve rescued, adopted and raised in Dimension Z until Sharon shot and (presumably) killed him. But he survived and took on the shield to be the protector of Dimension Z in honor of his adoptive father. Others, too, although I don't think that all of them went with the navel baring deep V.

[tennisgurl]

I honestly feel like the MCU has been creatively helped by not having the X Men, the Fantastic Four and (at first) Spiderman. It meant that they had to work harder to establish their lesser known characters, and had to really commit to establishing them. A big problem in many of the DC movies has been that they seem to be assuming that people will be amazed by these classic, world famous characters, and they spend more time on iconic imagery than on building character. If they had the more famous character early on, Marvel might have fallen into the same trap. 

I know this thread discussed this earlier, but I am really interested, after Thor Ragnarok

Spoiler

in how Thor and Bruce and the rest of the gang on their ship are going to be received on Earth, in a post Sokovia Accords world. Now, with Thanos coming soon, I cant imagine even General Ross would be rushing to stick paperwork in the face of a super powered alien storm god, but after that? Will Tony be ready to tell his friends that they need to sign this document that they know nothing about before they can start doing their thing on earth, or be locked up? That half the Avengers are on the run because of it? I cant imagine Ross and company will be trilled about a bunch of powerful aliens (and the Hulk!) showing up asking if they can crash on our planet for awhile. It wouldn't at all surprise me if even after super powered people defeat Thanos, Ross will be saying "Well, thanks, but if you dont start working for us, you can kindly go to jail or fuck off now" or something. He was the guy who ever so kindly referred to Thor and Bruce as basically walking WMD after-all.  Could lead to some interesting conflicts.  

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[Wynterwolf]

5 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I know this thread discussed this earlier, but I am really interested, after Thor Ragnarok

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in how Thor and Bruce and the rest of the gang on their ship are going to be received on Earth, in a post Sokovia Accords world. Now, with Thanos coming soon, I cant imagine even General Ross would be rushing to stick paperwork in the face of a super powered alien storm god, but after that? Will Tony be ready to tell his friends that they need to sign this document that they know nothing about before they can start doing their thing on earth, or be locked up? That half the Avengers are on the run because of it? I cant imagine Ross and company will be trilled about a bunch of powerful aliens (and the Hulk!) showing up asking if they can crash on our planet for awhile. It wouldn't at all surprise me if even after super powered people defeat Thanos, Ross will be saying "Well, thanks, but if you dont start working for us, you can kindly go to jail or fuck off now" or something. He was the guy who ever so kindly referred to Thor and Bruce as basically walking WMD after-all.  Could lead to some interesting conflicts.  

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Spoiler

It seems like they might be totally sidestepping that issue, based on the end credit scene, and the scenes from the IW trailer that had Thor going splat on the GotG's ship, and IIRC the Hulk scenes were in space too.  So I'm not sure it will come up at all, depending on how IW ends.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[tennisgurl]

Something I think is interesting about the more recent MCU films (especially the 2017 films) is that their greater theme seems to be "Relationships are really hard you guy!", especially when it comes to family and parenting. The last three movies (Spiderman, GoTG 2, and Thor) have all had strong themes of family, and how family relationships affect people. In Spiderman, you have not only the obvious Uncle Ben backstory, but also Tony attempting to be a father figure/mentor to Peter, and how he tries not to repeat his own dads mistakes (to varying degrees of success) as well as the identity of the Vulture and his motives. In GoTG 2, the plot starts with Peter meeting with his biological father (who has...interesting ideas of parenthood), and dealing with his complicated relationship with his adopted father. It also has a major subplot of Gamora and Nebula dealing with their issues with their evil adopted father, and their love/hate sister dynamic. Now we have the 3rd Thor movie, which also deals with a love/hate relationship between often antagonistic siblings (this time its Thor and Loki) as well as dealing with their also mixed up feelings towards their father and their family legacy. 

Really, you could make a case that most of the MCU is focused around relationships and how they affect the plot and characters (especially how complicated friendship/family drama/romance can be), but it seems to be becoming more and more of a theme lately. I like it. As I've said before, the franchise isn't the cultural and cash juggernaut that it is because people like explosions and people in costumes beating the crap out of each other. It would certainly still make money, but it wouldn't be what it is today is the audience didn't connect with the characters. And relationships (even if they're between alien gods and superheroes and cyborg assassins) are something everyone can relate to. 

[Wynterwolf]

16 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Something I think is interesting about the more recent MCU films (especially the 2017 films) is that their greater theme seems to be "Relationships are really hard you guy!", especially when it comes to family and parenting.

Definitely agree, it's why I love the MCU so much and there's so much to discuss!!  Ant Man is ALL about family, found and otherwise, Civil War was basically an epic (found) family argument, and there looks to be a huge family element at the heart of Black Panther too.  

Edited November 13, 2017 by Wynterwolf

[HunterHunted]

31 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

Definitely agree, it's why I love the MCU so much and there's so much to discuss!!  Ant Man is ALL about family, found and otherwise, Civil War was basically an epic (found) family argument, and there looks to be a huge family element at the heart of Black Panther too.  

Well, the MCU just leans into what Marvel does the best--earned emotions with punching. Now featuring explosions. I have to emphasize the earned part because there were emotions behind "Why did you say that name? Your mom's name is Martha?", but nothing about that scene was earned.