The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

11 hours ago, Bruinsfan said:

I think I cast my most baleful eye on Sam. He was on the run with Wanda at least loosely from Civil War to Infinity War, has actual training as a trauma counselor, and hadn't lived for 5 years as a murder hobo like Clint (who was obviously the closest to Wanda after Vision was destroyed, but I'm not so sure he would have been any help given his own mental state).

Sam was too busy doing couples counseling with another murder hobo to contact Wanda, which just makes it more annoying when you remember that neither he nor Barnes get more than a whisper of trouble for breaking Helmut Zemo out of prison. Everybody else just goes right on doing whatever, but sure, consequences.

[tv echo]

The Russo Bros. Reveal Which Other Marvel Character They'd Like to See Chris Evans Play
By TIMOTHY ADAMS - June 23, 2022
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/russo-brothers-chris-evans-other-marvel-character-wolverine/ 

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"Evans has incredible range and great physicality, and he's real good at body control," Joe Russo continued. "He's an incredible actor. I don't mean this in a bad way, but he's nothing like Captain America. Steve Rogers is very controlled and quiet, understated. Chris is energetic and funny and charismatic, and he brings a lot of energy to set. I'd love to see him do something like Wolverine."

Edited June 24, 2022 by tv echo

[Dandesun]

I'd love to see them get an actual short, hairy Canadian to play Wolverine for a change but that's just me. Although given where Logan is at these days comic-wise it would make a lot of sense for him to be played by a man who is well known to make a wide variety of sexes and gender spectrum thirsty af.

Although, truthfully, I could stand a break from Wolverine though I don't expect them to actually do that when they get around to bringing the X-Men into the MCU.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Dandesun said:

I'd love to see them get an actual short, hairy Canadian to play Wolverine for a change but that's just me

I wouldn't be opposed but, most people don't realize Wolverine is 5'3" in the comics. 

[Tenshinhan]

Hopefully they won't go anywhere near Wolverine when the X-Men reach the MCU.

[Guest]

On 6/23/2022 at 11:10 AM, Bruinsfan said:

I think I cast my most baleful eye on Sam. He was on the run with Wanda at least loosely from Civil War to Infinity War, has actual training as a trauma counselor, and hadn't lived for 5 years as a murder hobo like Clint (who was obviously the closest to Wanda after Vision was destroyed, but I'm not so sure he would have been any help given his own mental state).

True but Sam was also one of the snapped. I give a lot of leeway to everyone who was snapped. Wanda takes over Westview three weeks after Endgame so all of the snapped are probably dealing with being legally dead. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is 6 months after Endgame so you can’t go by where Sam was there to know if he was capable of supporting Wanda when she needed it. 

Post-WandaVision I have my doubts anyone could have even found her until she wanted to be found. 

[SeanC]

3 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Hopefully they won't go anywhere near Wolverine when the X-Men reach the MCU.

Wolverine is the most popular X-Man, there is no way he'll be left out of the X-Men's introduction.

[Tenshinhan]

2 hours ago, SeanC said:

Wolverine is the most popular X-Man, there is no way he'll be left out of the X-Men's introduction.

Wolverine may be the most popular X-Man but is by no means the most important.  He can easily be left out of their introduction.  And after 15+ years of the Jackman saga over at Fox, the character should be buried and not see the light of day for a good long while in my view.  Let the spirit of the X-Men be cleansed and renewed without any baggage hanging around its neck.

[tv echo]

Marvel will be at SDCC next month...

Marvel Studios Teases Major Announcements Coming Next Month
By Aeron Mer Eclarinal   June 24, 2022
https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-san-diego-comic-con-2022-panel 

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During the worldwide virtual press conference for Thor: Love and Thunder, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige confirmed that the studio will have a presence at San Diego Comic-Con this year, which will run from Thursday, July 21, to Sunday, July 24. This marks the studio's first appearance at the pop culture event since 2019. 

When asked if fans can expect major announcements, Feige said that they should, teasing that they will "talk about the future" of the MCU: 

"Yes, you can. Yeah, we'll be at Comic-Con next month, which we're excited about. The first time since we were on stage there [since] three years ago talking about this movie and many others. And now, I think almost everything we discussed three years ago has now been released. So yes, we're excited to  go and talk about the future."
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"We always look at five, ten years ahead. And [there's always] changes and twists and turns, but that's usually as far out as we go, and then start to build it."

ETA: Remember that Disney has D23 Expo in September as well.

Edited June 25, 2022 by tv echo

[SeanC]

8 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Wolverine may be the most popular X-Man but is by no means the most important.  He can easily be left out of their introduction.

He could be left out (there are a zillion X-Men characters), but why would you? He's the most popular, and when launching a franchise you put your best foot forward.

It's already been five years since Wolverine appeared in a movie, and will likely be closer to ten by the time an X-Men film is actually made since there are no announced plans for any in the next couple.

Edited June 25, 2022 by SeanC

[Kel Varnsen]

2 hours ago, SeanC said:

He could be left out (there are a zillion X-Men characters), but why would you? He's the most popular, and when launching a franchise you put your best foot forward.

I am sure Wolverine is coming. The only thing that might hold Marvel back is how Jackman basically defined the character for nearly 20 years. Anyone who steps into that role is going to draw a ton of comparison. And Marvel might not want to deal with that. I mean Boseman was only T'challa for like 4 movies and they didn't want to recast. Yes I know he died but a big part was also how he owned that role. 

[Raja]

2 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I am sure Wolverine is coming. The only thing that might hold Marvel back is how Jackman basically defined the character for nearly 20 years. Anyone who steps into that role is going to draw a ton of comparison. And Marvel might not want to deal with that. I mean Boseman was only T'challa for like 4 movies and they didn't want to recast. Yes I know he died but a big part was also how he owned that role. 

I think that the Black Panther decision was more emotional than arts based 

[SeanC]

2 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I am sure Wolverine is coming. The only thing that might hold Marvel back is how Jackman basically defined the character for nearly 20 years. Anyone who steps into that role is going to draw a ton of comparison. And Marvel might not want to deal with that. I mean Boseman was only T'challa for like 4 movies and they didn't want to recast. Yes I know he died but a big part was also how he owned that role. 

They recast Spider-Man despite Maguire's version of the character being even bigger in terms of commercial success, if obviously not quite as long in tenure, I don't think that's something they'd be worried about.

[cambridgeguy]

Superheroes get recast all the time.  Alternate version, different actor.  Works for Spiderman, works for Batman, and will work for Wolverine. 

[Tenshinhan]

6 hours ago, SeanC said:

He could be left out (there are a zillion X-Men characters), but why would you? 

So as to not make the same mistake that Fox did. Some respect should be shown to the source material. The spirit of X-Men does not revolve around Wolverine.  He should not have had the dominating presence that he did in those movies.  It's a product of millennium-era thinking and filmmaking which resulted in that decision.  The MCU is in a position to make better choices, and can now truly put their best foot forward.

I say get the X-Men off the ground first and then bring Wolverine into a sequel if they really must.  As for Jackman comparisons, I think it's best that the MCU make their version of Wolverine completely opposite of what Fox did.  Just redefine him entirely.

[SeanC]

7 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

So as to not make the same mistake that Fox did. Some respect should be shown to the source material. The spirit of X-Men does not revolve around Wolverine.  He should not have had the dominating presence that he did in those movies.  It's a product of millennium-era thinking and filmmaking which resulted in that decision.  The MCU is in a position to make better choices, and can now truly put their best foot forward.

I say get the X-Men off the ground first and then bring Wolverine into a sequel if they really must.  As for Jackman comparisons, I think it's best that the MCU make their version of Wolverine completely opposite of what Fox did.  Just redefine him entirely.

If they don't want Wolverine to be the central figure in the new iteration, they can just write it that way. There is no reason not to have him in the movie.

[Dandesun]

There are so many X characters to focus on. Storm, for one, has been as integral to the X-men as Wolverine. She's been the leader since the 70s. She fucking rules over Mars currently (Arakko for the current-comics minded) and there are a slew of storylines they could use to focus on her. Storm is wildly important and popular.

Do not try to do the fucking Dark Phoenix storyline again. Especially since they pretty much did it with Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. You know why there are such strong feelings about Wanda there? Because we got to know her through the course of many movies and her own miniseries to delve deeply into her character and what she has been going through. You know, that thing they never bothered to do with Jean before going Dark Phoenix with her. (Never not salty.)

With the X-men, it should be 'how can we tell the story of mutants in the MCU' and not 'how can we get Wolverine in here asap?' I'm beyond fine with a break from the Canucklehead.

[GHScorpiosRule]

18 minutes ago, Dandesun said:

There are so many X characters to focus on. Storm, for one, has been as integral to the X-men as Wolverine. She's been the leader since the 70s. She fucking rules over Mars currently (Arakko for the current-comics minded) and there are a slew of storylines they could use to focus on her. Storm is wildly important and popular.

Do not try to do the fucking Dark Phoenix storyline again. Especially since they pretty much did it with Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. You know why there are such strong feelings about Wanda there? Because we got to know her through the course of many movies and her own miniseries to delve deeply into her character and what she has been going through. You know, that thing they never bothered to do with Jean before going Dark Phoenix with her. (Never not salty.)

With the X-men, it should be 'how can we tell the story of mutants in the MCU' and not 'how can we get Wolverine in here asap?' I'm beyond fine with a break from the Canucklehead.

Yes. As much as I love Jackman’s Logan/Wolverine, I don’t need to see him as part of the group from the get go.

What FOX failed to do was find strong actors to play the other X-Men. Jackman, an unknown, made me believe he was Logan. Despite his height. And he was second choice because their first choice was busy being the villain in the Mission Impossible movie. 

Oh, and of course the casting of Xavier and Magneto was perfect.

But Berry, Marsden, Jannsen, and Paquin were just so miscast. Not to mention the other characters-Colossus without the Russian accent?

Anyway. There are so so many stories they can do and please GOD, not the Dark Phoenix.

[Spartan Girl]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Anyway. There are so so many stories they can do and please GOD, not the Dark Phoenix.

Seconded. It’s kind of pointless now, since they pretty much copied and pasted it to Wanda anyway.

[Tenshinhan]

In addition to Wolverine, the MCU should give Jean and Scott the boot as well.  I would also ditch Xavier and Magneto, but if they *had* to include them, then I think maybe save it for a future sequel.  And completely re-imagine both characters.

[Raja]

50 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

In addition to Wolverine, the MCU should give Jean and Scott the boot as well.  I would also ditch Xavier and Magneto, but if they *had* to include them, then I think maybe save it for a future sequel.  And completely re-imagine both characters.

I think they feel they would have to. Jean and Scott are from the source material's original  X-Men team, correcting the previous series take on the canonical material is something the gate keepers hope the MCU would do. 

[Tenshinhan]

26 minutes ago, Raja said:

I think they feel they would have to. Jean and Scott are from the source material's original  X-Men team, correcting the previous series take on the canonical material is something the gate keepers hope the MCU would do. 

I'm not so sure those fans would care as much after twenty years of Fox's X-Men and multiple versions of Jean and Scott.  And even if so, I don't think that the MCU itself would necessarily be interested in correcting the past so much as distancing themselves from it.  Better to just cut all ties and start fresh is what I imagine they might think.  I would agree.

[benteen]

The only way Dark Phoenix can work is as part of an X-Men series. 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

So as to not make the same mistake that Fox did. Some respect should be shown to the source material. The spirit of X-Men does not revolve around Wolverine.  He should not have had the dominating presence that he did in those movies.  It's a product of millennium-era thinking and filmmaking which resulted in that decision.  The MCU is in a position to make better choices, and can now truly put their best foot forward.

I say get the X-Men off the ground first and then bring Wolverine into a sequel if they really must.  As for Jackman comparisons, I think it's best that the MCU make their version of Wolverine completely opposite of what Fox did.  Just redefine him entirely.

The problem is that mainstream audiences are just going to be waiting for the characters they know well to show up and if they don’t they may be turned off from whatever they do. 

I don’t think that avoiding those characters is going to stop them from making the same mistakes that Fox made. If they are going to screw up their biggest names they are going to screw up any version of the movies. The problem with the Fox movies wasn’t what characters they focused on but that they just weren’t good. It was definitely a mistake to adapt Dark Phoenix but any movie they made was going to be bad. New Mutants is the perfect example. They stepped away from their marquee characters and it was still a dumpster fire. The problem has never been the characters. 

4 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

In addition to Wolverine, the MCU should give Jean and Scott the boot as well.  I would also ditch Xavier and Magneto, but if they *had* to include them, then I think maybe save it for a future sequel.  And completely re-imagine both characters.

I don’t see how you can respect the source material and gives those characters the boot. How do you even have the X-men without Xavier? They’re  literally named after him. Personally I want to see Jean, Scott and Storm because they haven’t got the portrayal they deserve. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

5 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

In addition to Wolverine, the MCU should give Jean and Scott the boot as well.  I would also ditch Xavier and Magneto, but if they *had* to include them, then I think maybe save it for a future sequel.  And completely re-imagine both characters.

There were rumors a couple of years ago that Magneto's history might be revised, but I wasn't sure that would be a good idea. Erik's whole story is based around him being a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust, which reflects in the fictional world he inhabits in the distrust mutants garner from normal humans. As @Dani said, how do you re-work that while also paying due respect to the way it was written? Also, casting is crucial. If Hugh Jackman is Wolverine, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are Charles and Erik. It's debatable if Fassbender and McAvoy were missteps, and I guess it depends on if you enjoy those movies.

[Tenshinhan]

Ohh you definitely can respect the source and get rid of them characters.  The beauty of the X-Men is in part due to its changing roster and generations of team members.  There are many other characters and combinations of characters that can make up a new X-Men team.

X-Men are named for the X-gene mutation that give them their "extra" abilities.  Aside from that, Xavier could still exist in the MCU, but they could just say that he's passed on or maybe off in outer space or something.  He's the founder, but that doesn't mean he actually has to be around.

I think they would be better off leaving Magneto out altogether than reworking his backstory.  Just don't bother touching the Xavier/Magneto rivalry.

I wouldn't mind seeing an all new version of Storm, leading a team made up of characters who haven't been seen or who haven't been explored much previously.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

X-Men are named for the X-gene mutation that give them their "extra" abilities. 

I’m not talking about the ridiculous comic explanation but the fact Xavier, Professor X, X-gene and X-Men are all named that way because they are tied together in their origins. Although it’s probably more accurate to say the Xavier was named for the X-Men. To me they just aren’t the X-Men without those characters.

10 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

So as to not make the same mistake that Fox did. Some respect should be shown to the source material. The spirit of X-Men does not revolve around Wolverine.  He should not have had the dominating presence that he did in those movies.  It's a product of millennium-era thinking and filmmaking which resulted in that decision.  The MCU is in a position to make better choices, and can now truly put their best foot forward.

I absolutely agree with you about Wolverine in the Fox movies but I think we disagree about what the mistake was. I strongly suspect that if they had written out Wolverine entirely another character would have stepped into his place and dominated. To me the MCU making better choices comes with casting, writing and directing. If they make the right choices they can make it work without whatever characters they choose. If they make the wrong ones they could entirely use characters with no baggage and it still won’t work. 

4 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

I'm not so sure those fans would care as much after twenty years of Fox's X-Men and multiple versions of Jean and Scott.  And even if so, I don't think that the MCU itself would necessarily be interested in correcting the past so much as distancing themselves from it.  Better to just cut all ties and start fresh is what I imagine they might think.  I would agree.

I actually think that makes them care more. They are attached to the choices that worked well and want to see that continue. They are resentful of the missteps and want to see it corrected. 

So far Marvel has been more focused on getting the characters right rather than distancing themselves. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the Spider-Man movies or Shang-Chi and we wouldn’t be getting the Fantastic Four. Cutting all ties is pretty much already out the window with a version of Xavier already appearing. 

[swanpride]

I got more the impression that this was throwing the fans a bone so that they have a little bit more time to delay introducing their own version...if they do it directly in the MCU at all. They might just go the "oh, they do exist, but in a different reality" route. 

[Morrigan2575]

14 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Ohh you definitely can respect the source and get rid of them characters.  The beauty of the X-Men is in part due to its changing roster and generations of team members.  There are many other characters and combinations of characters that can make up a new X-Men team.

But not ALL of them. I haven't read in a few years but, last book I picked up had Storm as a team leader, Wolverine Running the Jean Grey School, Scott forming his own team (post Scott killing Xavier). You can ditch 1 or 2 but, ditching All in favor of who?  I would totally enjoy an X-Factor or X-Force movie/storyline but, if you're doing X-Men you need certain characters in the movie, IMO.

16 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

I'm not so sure those fans would care as much after twenty years of Fox's X-Men and multiple versions of Jean and Scott.  

Speaking only for myself. I would be upset. What I want, what I've waited for regarding X-Men in the MCU is that they get it right and fix all the stupid FOX Crap.

[Tenshinhan]

16 hours ago, Dani said:

So far Marvel has been more focused on getting the characters right rather than distancing themselves. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the Spider-Man movies or Shang-Chi and we wouldn’t be getting the Fantastic Four. Cutting all ties is pretty much already out the window with a version of Xavier already appearing. 

Spider-Man and potentially the Fantastic Four movies seems more like a case of distancing themselves.  Spider-Man didn't do the same tired origin story from the other series and we got a different cast of characters with different characterization.  Fantastic Four could potentially do something similar.

Also it's much harder to distance yourself when it's a solo character like Spidey or a specific group of characters like the Fantastic Four.  X-Men has it much easier.

4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Speaking only for myself. I would be upset. What I want, what I've waited for regarding X-Men in the MCU is that they get it right and fix all the stupid FOX Crap.

Fair enough.  I just can't imagine the MCU actually trying to get it right with their version.  Perhaps maybe if it were another 10+ years from now.

[Morrigan2575]

19 minutes ago, Tenshinhan said:

Fair enough.  I just can't imagine the MCU actually trying to get it right with their version.  Perhaps maybe if it were another 10+ years from now

Why wouldn't they try to get X-Men right? 

[Fukui San]

We have enough of a track record to say that the Marvel MCU can be broadly trusted to make mostly good versions of comics properties while diverging from the comics histories. Virtually nothing can be said to be faithful or accurate to the comics, but they make smart decisions in their adaptations for the most part and I wouldn’t expect the XMen to be any different. They could very well put forth a Storm, Kitty, Rogue centered X-Men and make it work and save Logan for later.

I, personally, find my appetite for superhero content waning. The things I couldn’t wait to see onscreen have mostly been done and they’ve mined all of the comics history and need to generate new ideas not already tried out in the comics.  

Going forward I’m going to see the ones I’m particularly interested in and leave the others be. Like I don’t think I’ll see Dr. Strange 2 even though I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. But I’ll be there in a second for a good Thunderbolts. I watch very little of the TV content, though I’ve liked what I have seen. There’s just too much. It’s unsustainable. 

[Tenshinhan]

28 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Why wouldn't they try to get X-Men right? 

Because they may not want to repeat the same old Xavier vs Magneto plots and Jean/Scott stories after Fox and their two iterations of it.  I figure they might think they are better off bringing new or underused plots and characters to the screen rather than to throw the old stuff at audiences all over again, after so much of it.  Especially when the comics give them so much room to work with.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Tenshinhan

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Spider-Man and potentially the Fantastic Four movies seems more like a case of distancing themselves.  Spider-Man didn't do the same tired origin story from the other series and we got a different cast of characters with different characterization.  Fantastic Four could potentially do something similar.

I wouldn’t call a fresh take distancing themselves. Yes, they chose to not turn Spider-Man into a retread but they did chose to get it right by being more true to who Peter is as a character than the previous versions. They chose to take these characters head on and I fully expect them to do the same with the X-Men. 

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Also it's much harder to distance yourself when it's a solo character like Spidey or a specific group of characters like the Fantastic Four.  X-Men has it much easier.

Not really because they still have to deal with audience recognition. Making an X-Men movie without at least some of the marquee characters is going to be very risky. 

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Because they may not want to repeat the same old Xavier vs Magneto plots and Jean/Scott stories after Fox and their two iterations of it.

Why does trying to get X-Men right mean they have to repeat those same plots? They have more options than just retelling the same story and sidelining their most popular characters entirely. 

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Especially when the comics give them so much room to work with

To me this is exactly the argument to use those characters. There is so much more they can do with them that wasn’t in the Fox movies. 

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Tenshinhan said:

Because they may not want to repeat the same old Xavier vs Magneto plots and Jean/Scott stories after Fox and their two iterations of it.  I figure they might think they are better off bringing new or underused plots and characters to the screen rather than to throw the old stuff at audiences all over again, after so much of it.  Especially when the comics give them so much room to work with

For me, doing X-Men right doesn't mean doing the same FOX stories, it's about doing right by the characters. MCU has earned my trust in that they won't screw up X-Men. 

[Tenshinhan]

I can say that speaking personally, I would feel disrespected as an audience member by having Jean/Scott/Xavier/Magneto appear on screen again.  It just feels kind of insulting.  I also think that it would be disrespectful to the source material as well.  I'm not sure that finally doing right by the characters would be enough to negate that sense of disrespect, but that's just my view.

I agree that a fresh and accurate take on those characters would be nice to see, but I think that it would have to be a huge shift and radical departure from the Fox films to really make it work.  Hopefully the MCU would actually go through with it.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Tenshinhan

[cambridgeguy]

Doing the X-Men without ANY of the big names would be like doing a Justice League movie without Superman, Batman, WW, Flash, etc.  It might work as a TV show because they want to save the main characters for movies (see all the various Batman-related shows that go out of their way to not have Batman show up) but otherwise you'd never be able to sell it to the suits. 

[tv echo]

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[Morrigan2575]

9 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

can say that speaking personally, I would feel disrespected as an audience member by having Jean/Scott/Xavier/Magneto appear on screen again. 

Just those 4? Not Wolverine who dominated most of the FOX X-Men movies?  What about Storm, Beast, Mystique? 

If they don't use the Big Names who do you want to see and what storyline?  

I mean I'm all for not doing a retread of Origin movies or even specific storyline (Age of Apocalypse,  Days of Future Past, Dark Phoenix 🤮) However, most of the big storylines (that I remember) involve or revolve around the Big Names. 

[Danny Franks]

4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Just those 4? Not Wolverine who dominated most of the FOX X-Men movies?  What about Storm, Beast, Mystique? 

If they don't use the Big Names who do you want to see and what storyline?  

I mean I'm all for not doing a retread of Origin movies or even specific storyline (Age of Apocalypse,  Days of Future Past, Dark Phoenix 🤮) However, most of the big storylines (that I remember) involve or revolve around the Big Names. 

I think they'll probably feel beholden to include the big names from the off, especially with the X-Men '97 cartoon coming out, which mostly reprises the Blue Team plus Storm and Jean line-up from the 90s cartoon and adds one or two more characters.

How they'll set it up, I can't fathom. It's a whole new set of characters who get their powers from a completely different place than any other superheroes, and the mutants are presented as an existential (or should that be X-istential?) threat to humanity so it's difficult to introduce them as new within the MCU without retconning a lot of stuff. I don't really like the multiverse possibility either.

Villain-wise, I don't think it will be Magneto, because they have more flexibility there. I'd predict some combo of Henry Gyrich and Mr. Sinister as lead-off bad guys.

I would love to believe they might leave Wolverine out of the equation for a while, but the most I can hope is that he's not the main character, this time around. Let someone else get time to shine.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Danny Franks said:

names from the off, especially with the X-Men '97 cartoon coming out, which mostly reprises the Blue Team plus Storm and Jean line-up from the 90s cartoon and adds one or two more characters.

You'll finally get your Live Action Gambit 😄

1 hour ago, Danny Franks said:

Villain-wise, I don't think it will be Magneto, because they have more flexibility there. I'd predict some combo of Henry Gyrich and Mr. Sinister as lead-off bad guys.

I didn't watch AoA so I have no idea if he was in the movie but, I would love to see Sinister/Essex as the villain. I'd also be interested in Bastian, Onslaught and Stryfe but, I think we need to build to Onslaught and Stryfe and Bastian might be too bland of a villain for a first movie. Oh, forgot about Exodus 

1 hour ago, Danny Franks said:

How they'll set it up, I can't fathom. It's a whole new set of characters who get their powers from a completely different place than any other superheroes,

I was thinking about it this morning, a Secret Wars story might cover. We already have MoM and TVA / Kang the Conquer.   I could see something like a post/mid credit scene in Loki S2 or Antman And Wasp showing another AU where FF, X-Men and hey let's throw in Inhumans exist and merge/incurrence into MCU.

I suppose they could use the M'Kraan Crystal as a gateway too or even America Chavez.

I just assume they're going to do a Homecoming and skip the Origin Story and jump right to here's the X-Men/FF/Inhumans have fun 😃

Edited June 27, 2022 by Morrigan2575

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Danny Franks said:

would love to believe they might leave Wolverine out of the equation for a while, but the most I can hope is that he's not the main character, this time around. Let someone else get time to shine.

I'm not holding my breath Wolverine is their Bread and Butter, he's probably still in every comic 😄

Although, they might delay his return since people loved Jackman in the roll, might want to wait on the comparisons.

[Dandesun]

No one denies that Wolverine is popular. He's just not the end all and be all. Current X-comics have done away with the Wolverine has to be in all of them idea though. Is he well represented? Yes, yes he is. He does have his solo, he was recently the focus of the X Lives/X Deaths of Wolverine, he's part of X-Force. 

Krakoa-era X-Men remains wildly fascinating and exciting to me and a lot of that is the different focii and story arcs that they're doing. And that's the real strength of the X-men, the amount of characters and stories they can do that don't hinge on three dudes (Charles, Erik and Logan.) Hell, comics have brought Destiny back which might have been the only thing that made movie!Mystique remotely tolerable to me (doubtful actually,)

The MCU has gained a lot of leeway with me, though. They took a slew of B list characters and made the fuckin' MCU. I think they can do a lot with the X-Men and I look forward to seeing what they try. I would actually very much like to see the movies do right by Scott. I'd like to see Storm be allowed to shine. If they took on Rogue would they be true to her origin story via Carol? There is SO MUCH to work with and the X-Men are notoriously soap opera-y in the best way possible. I want to see it!!

[Tenshinhan]

38 minutes ago, Dandesun said:

They took a slew of B list characters and made the fuckin' MCU.

Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor aren't B-Listers in my view.  Many of the others are though.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Tenshinhan

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor aren't B-Listers in my view.  Many of the others are though.

Maybe not now, a decade later, but there's a reason Sony gets so much shade for only buying the rights to Spiderman and refusing the other, lesser-known characters. Marvel was bankrupt by the 90s, trying to climb out of the red, and Iron Man, Cap, Black Panther and Captain Marvel were deemed irrelevant by everyone they tried to sell the rights to, including Sony, who were only interested in Peter Parker. They only paid seven millions dollars for Spidey in 1998, but they could have scooped up the whole lot for the same amount of money and turned down the offer.

[Tenshinhan]

45 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Maybe not now, a decade later, but there's a reason Sony gets so much shade for only buying the rights to Spiderman and refusing the other, lesser-known characters. 

In whatever era, they still were never B-Listers.  If Sony was only interested in Spidey then it's because he's Marvel's flagship character.  I doubt the studios had enough understanding to deem certain characters irrelevant or lower ranking.

Spider-Man is more popular of course, but being an A-Lister is about much more than popularity in my view.

[Bruinsfan]

I'd say Marvel's A-listers back before the movies were Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Captain America. Those were the iconic characters that were recognizable to even people who hadn't read comic books in ages. Thor, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four were popular characters with a lot of status within the comics industry, but very little penetration into mainstream consciousness.

[Raja]

44 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

I'd say Marvel's A-listers back before the movies were Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Captain America. Those were the iconic characters that were recognizable to even people who hadn't read comic books in ages. Thor, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four were popular characters with a lot of status within the comics industry, but very little penetration into mainstream consciousness.

Being a mid 70s Marvel zombie  I don't know about Daredevil. With a powerset that was able to be reproduced cheaply he did have that 80s live action Hulk TV appearance when trying to do Daredevil made much more sense than what a live action Spider-Man looked like. And then he was  picked up after the modern movie era with CGI action started. The Ben Affleck  movie showing signs of  the comic book era when the high flying Daredevil was much like Spider-Man, only Peter Parker could swing by saying "on your left" and not as much  of the brawler Netflix brought us.

Thor being in the public domain is a special case as we had to distinguish Marvel's Thor from the Thor of Norse mythology.  SyFy and the likes would put up their low budget Thor movies on the weekends when Marvel's Thor opened.

However how far did the characters who did not make it to TV or at least the cartoons travel into the general movie buying public? 20 years after CGI started big time we can do for live action  what was animated, however there are many more entertainment options for those kids and their fan communities that might never intersect

[Morrigan2575]

12 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, Thor aren't B-Listers in my view.  Many of the others are though.

They absolutely were B listers (save Hulk) before MCU. There's a reason Marvel didn't sell them off no one wanted them. Prior to MCU the big names in Marvel were Spider-Man,  Hulk, X-Men and (maybe) Fantastic Four. But really Spider-Man and Hulk were the most well known. 

The MCU were mostly B, C and D list characters (looking at you Guardians).

Edited June 28, 2022 by Morrigan2575

[Kel Varnsen]

1 hour ago, Bruinsfan said:

I'd say Marvel's A-listers back before the movies were Spider-Man, the Hulk, and Captain America. Those were the iconic characters that were recognizable to even people who hadn't read comic books in ages. Thor, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Fantastic Four were popular characters with a lot of status within the comics industry, but very little penetration into mainstream consciousness.

Even Captain America might be a stretch. He was probably well known as a concept of a character. But I am not sure I would call him popular. I mean there is a reason that 90's Captain America movie was super low budget and went straight to video. I mean even the Dolph Lundgren Punisher movie from 1989 got a theatrical release.

Hulk had more recognition and popularity because of the TV series.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Kel Varnsen