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4 hours ago, Altair Aquila said:

"Anne Boleyn?"

"Catherine of Aragon."

Well, Frasier, at least it wasn't your Anne of Cleves cup.  

I love Mixed Doubles. Not just one of my favourites from S4, but of all episodes. "What are you doing for the rest of your life?"  :) 

Did anyone try to search for a coffee set like that? I know I did and was unable to find one.

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On 3/10/2018 at 5:49 PM, kariyaki said:

They mentioned that in one of the episodes where one of the Cheers cast visited (I think Sam). Fraser said he’d lied. 

Yes, and Niles was upset because because Frasier never even mentioned having a brother to the gang at Cheers.  (Martin:  "He told them I was dead!"  Niles:  "Well, at least you existed!"  Or something like that).

If asked a few days ago what my least favorite episode of Frasier was,  I would have said the horrible Greek fake-cousin wedding episode.  But the other night Cozi reminded me that is not my least favorite episode - it is the one where Frasier's car breaks down and he and Charlotte spend the night on the sofa bed in some strange family's living room.  Where the man's dead mother is laid out.  Ugh.  The two of them suppressing giggles like teenagers when each family member comes in to open the casket and say something to the deceased . . . what a terrible, terrible episode on so many levels!  I'd forgotten all about that one, but it is absolutely my most hated episode.  I guess the Greek fake-cousin episode can remain my least favorite.  :-)

Boy, they really laid Charlotte on thick, didn't they?  LOOK!  She makes a night in a strange house with an odd family and their dead matriarch look like a slumber party!!  Oh, they really are made for each other!!

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2 hours ago, Aquarius said:

If asked a few days ago what my least favorite episode of Frasier was,  I would have said the horrible Greek fake-cousin wedding episode.  But the other night Cozi reminded me that is not my least favorite episode - it is the one where Frasier's car breaks down and he and Charlotte spend the night on the sofa bed in some strange family's living room.  Where the man's dead mother is laid out.  Ugh.  The two of them suppressing giggles like teenagers when each family member comes in to open the casket and say something to the deceased . . . what a terrible, terrible episode on so many levels!  I'd forgotten all about that one, but it is absolutely my most hated episode.  I guess the Greek fake-cousin episode can remain my least favorite.  :-)

UGH! That episode was one of the WORST! That episode truly was a what the...are they thinking. Terrible episode. I'm still surprised at how badly these writers managed Charlotte as a love interest. I want to think that the Charlotte arc wasn't as strong because of the number of episodes, but Claire was only in a few episodes yet I believed in their relationship far more than Charlotte and Fraiser. They had no chemistry and while they are both excellent actors, they couldn't sell it. That was the most disappointing part of the last season.

I also intensely dislike the Greek wedding one. I won't ever watch it. What a waste of the great Patti LuPone. 

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I agree. Niles and Daphne and their different backgrounds should have provided enough material for the later seasons without dragging in a mother and her drunken lout sons.

Daphne has my sympathy since if we're to believe her stories of her family and her childhood, it appears that her brothers were inexplicably favoured over her, certainly by their mother, and it's clear that Gertrude and Daphne have a strained relationship. They're not close.

I wasn't surprised that her brothers all left it up to Daphne to help their mum when their parents separated. No wonder she always wanted a sister.

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20 hours ago, msani19 said:

Blah. Daphne's mother was just terrible and she was in far too many episodes. Her mother was intrusive, offensive and obnoxious. I wish Daphne had told her annoying mother to shove it. Niles had the patience of a saint to put up with that woman. Any episode with Daphne's family, I consider a bad episode. 

Same here.

I don't know if they ever could have made Daphne and Niles work as a couple - so I wish they'd never tried.

Niles and Maris could have been together longer. The divorce was dragged out forever, but I think they could have waited a few more seasons before the episode where Niles walked out on Maris. There was plenty of material left where Maris was concerned, and the explanations for her absences were still funny.

If Niles and Maris has lasted for a few more seasons, then the series could have ended with Daphne and Niles getting together.

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On 3/17/2018 at 4:56 PM, andromeda331 said:

I wouldn't have minded Simon if he was only in a couple episodes. Like maybe three at max.  I thought he was funny in the first three episodes he was in. But he wore out his welcome not long after that.  

I dare you to not say "Winne-BAYGO" like Simon, though!!!

"Flour Child" is my favorite.  Hard to pick, though.

Can't stand the Greek cousin episode either.

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On 3/17/2018 at 3:54 PM, msani19 said:

Blah. Daphne's mother was just terrible and she was in far too many episodes. Her mother was intrusive, offensive and obnoxious. I wish Daphne had told her annoying mother to shove it. Niles had the patience of a saint to put up with that woman. Any episode with Daphne's family, I consider a bad episode. 

Daphne's mother was definitely best in small doses. She could be really insufferable. I do love the final scene in A New Position For Roz when Niles agrees to help Gertrude pay for her own place. When he opens the door and she's crying, and Daphne starts crying, and then at the end when Daphne tells Niles she knows how to thank him for his kindness - good stuff!

 

On 3/17/2018 at 5:56 PM, andromeda331 said:

I wouldn't have minded Simon if he was only in a couple episodes. Like maybe three at max.  I thought he was funny in the first three episodes he was in. But he wore out his welcome not long after that.  

I liked Simon a lot, I though he was just so over the top and hysterical. 

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19 hours ago, SnarkySheep said:

Now that I think of it, they never did mention why he was in prison in the first place, did they?

No, we heard and saw most of the brothers. However, why Billy ended up in prison, we have no idea. Something the writers said they didn't want to make the same mistake as they did with Marris and of course Vera on Cheers was creating these characters we never were going to see. Since they hyped them up with descriptions that were impossible. Of course if they would have just decided: "We are going to show them" and be done with it. They wouldn't have written themselves in corners so much. Granted, they couldn't predict Cheers was going to last 11 years after it was almost cancelled after season 1. Plus, when Kesley Grammer went into rehab, they were unsure if the show would come back as a result. What does drive me crazy when writers want to do throw away lines like with Billy or one of Daphne's brothers, but then never really explain why that happened. Yet they can't say for 1 line going: "Oh this person is so and so and why they aren't here." 

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I tend to get a bit irritated on Daphne's behalf when people treat her like their servant. Get this, get that, do this, do that...

After ordering Daphne around in Agents in America, Part Three, Bebe was well and truly put in her in place when Daphne gives her a dog biscuit with her fussy tea request. The whole exchange is brilliant, culminating in:

"This cookie tastes like meat!"

"Yes, and it'll remove tartar, and give you a nice, shiny coat."

:)

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I like the way Daphne kinda struts off to her room after messing with Bebe like that :D. She's good at calling people out when they treat her that way.

One of my favorite examples is in "Visions of Daphne", when she's asking one of the others to answer the door. They're all just kinda staring at each other and she snaps, "Well, you've seen me do it enough times, you just turn the handle and pull!"

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Yes, definitely. And in Mixed Doubles, after Joe broke up with her, Roz demands: "Did you make her answer the door?!"

"It's what she does!" Frasier protests. 

Shout out to Roz for her attempts to comfort Daphne: "Now, Daphne, if the jewellery wasn't that good and the sex wasn't that good, what have you really lost here?"  :D

Love that episode from start to finish. :) 

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It has one of my all time favourite Niles and Daphne scenes as well. Their talk in the bar is pretty much perfect, and the "I love you's" they exchange remain among my favourites from the entire show. They may not have been in a completely romantic context from both sides but they were very genuine all the same. A lovely, lovely moment between them.

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Agreed :). I liked that we got to see Niles and Daphne developing a genuine friendship early in the show's run-it gave his feelings for her some real depth, and seeing her come to care about and be affectionate towards him made the moments when she later fell for him more meaningful as well.

The show was so good at those kinds of scenes in general. Be it between Niles and Daphne, or the Cranes themselves, or any of them and Roz, I just loved that the show allowed them all these quiet, reflective, thoughful moments together. They didn't need to go all over the top to show how much these guys cared about and loved each other. 

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"Merry Christmas, Mrs. Moskowitz" aired tonight and had me LOLing maybe even more than when Stephen Colbert is at the top of his game. Frasier gets Niles and Marty to pretend they're Jewish on Christmas Eve in order to not spoil the illusion of the Jewish mother of Frasier's girlfriend (Amy Brenneman). I suppose it especially tickled my funny bone because in spite of my Jewish mother having married a man from a family more orthodox than hers, we were raised in Christian neighborhoods where my mother liked to infer that we were descendants of people who had come over on the Mayflower.

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On 7/28/2018 at 1:16 AM, shapeshifter said:

"Merry Christmas, Mrs. Moskowitz" aired tonight and had me LOLing maybe even more than when Stephen Colbert is at the top of his game. Frasier gets Niles and Marty to pretend they're Jewish on Christmas Eve in order to not spoil the illusion of the Jewish mother of Frasier's girlfriend (Amy Brenneman). I suppose it especially tickled my funny bone because in spite of my Jewish mother having married a man from a family more orthodox than hers, we were raised in Christian neighborhoods where my mother liked to infer that we were descendants of people who had come over on the Mayflower.

Love that episode! That moment when Frasier sees Niles dressed as Jesus and goes "JESUS!!!" just kills me every time. And, before that, Niles going way over the top with the toasts and other comments in pretending to be Jewish.

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