LuAnn de Lesseps: No Longer a Countess, Still Never a Princess

[zoeysmom]

32 minutes ago, Jel said:

What did she deny? The likelihood that this type of behavior from him would continue. There were many red flags she simply chose to overlook, and the anger and humiliation she felt about it, she put onto Bethenny. She's not unique in this type of thing, and it doesn't make her a bad or stupid person  -- many people use defense mechanisms to cope. But, in my view, that's pretty clear what she did. She was so invested in the we're-in-love-and-getting-married thing that the cost of being honest about Tom was just too large.

I understand you, and many others, did not like Bethenny's delivery method and style, but that really has nothing to do with Lu's relationship with Tom or Tom's philandering. She could be annoyed with Bethenny's delivery, but the OTT reaction she had to it, was, imo, quite telling.  Dorinda offered her an ideal place to redirect her anger, and she took it.  If someone sets your house on fire, your main concern shouldn't be that they used your grandfather's expensive antique lighter to do it -- your main concern is that your house is burning.  

A person who has been subject to humiliation can blame more than one source.  Luann can be angry with Tom, and I am quite certain she expressed her anger towards Tom over publicly humiliating her, and she can be angry at Bethenny, and now Ramona for continuing to try and humiliate them.  I think Luann is giddy about love and she fell for Tom, but at any time she could have pulled the plug on the wedding and if cost and having the guests were an issues turned it into a really expensive NYE party. 

To me there is nothing telling about how Luann reacted to Bethenny wanted to publicly humiliate her and did.  Luann's anger issues with Tom  were more likely intensified because of the way it was publicly released not diminished.  I don't understand the OTT reaction comment.  Because Luann walked away after Bethenny told her on camera -or because Luann left the party when Bethenny said if she saw Tom fucking someone on the corner she would not tell Luann?  Luann left again. 

Tom's cheating is his personal moral character flaw, and his behavior hurt Luann.  It has nothing to do with Bethenny's moral shortcomings and her desire to humiliate Luann as publicly and frequently as possible.  Luann was focused on getting her engagement back on track or breaking it off ..  Whether or not Tom has remained true to her is another topic.  Betheny has not relented from dogging the couple.    When you trade on another's personal pain it is a low blow.  Bethenny certainly recognizes the behavior because she calls Ramona out on ambushing Tom and Luann at her house party.

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

How do you know that? 

And if they had all of this approval, and the folks who worked at The Regency were willing to go on camera, then why is the whole thing stopped because Dorinda doesn't want to be involved? What in the world does having Dorinda there to ask questions have to do with anything? Why couldn't Lu and Tom just traipse in there, all mic'd up with cameras ready to go, and ask whatever they wanted to ask? It makes zero sense and IMO there is no way to try and make sense of it. 

The thing is, this deal was never meant to be on camera. That was why they needed Dorinda. They needed for her to come and hear some story that she could then take to the others. Otherwise, why even involve her? The fact that Dorinda was unwilling to listen would not have stopped the Q&A if it was in fact legitimate. 

And with regard to Lu not being that interested in the whole lie and in pressing Dorinda, that is even more pathetic, IMO. She knows the dude is a cheating horn dog and has decided to look the other way. But now she knows he is the kind of guy who is so interested in saving himself that he would threaten a friend with the loss of a friendship if she didn't do the shady thing he was asking? It is very hard to feel any sympathy for Lu at this point. There were so many red warning signals flashing away, and she just ignored them all. Pathetic all the way around. 

I don't see how listening to witnesses is shady-there are just so many things that can backfire.  Usually the last thing the guilty want to do is have a bunch of witnesses talk about them.  Dorinda is the one being stupid and of course it was all about her.  She could take away whatever she wanted from the witnesses. 

Not that she has much common sense about reality TV, but I do believe the last thing Luann wanted was to have Tom or anyone else trying to defend his actions.  She has failed miserably in the past trying to downplay her indiscretions. It didn't matter it had happened.  All I was saying is I would have appreciated Dorinda going and reporting back, if they didn't agree to film it-what was said and if the witnesses were believable and what the witnesses said went down.  Then she could get on her soapbox.

Forgiving and looking the other way are not interchangeable.  You can forgive and be fully apprised of the situation.   The red flags to me, are essentially Luann has lived a life where both here and abroad having sex outside of marriage and/or monogamy was not frowned upon.  She lived it, Tom lived it and may be unrealistic for either one of them to outrun their pasts.  The other issue is it is not working going to the same haunts Tom did when he was single.  Anytime he goes there always seems to be a sighting.  Make new friends on the UES-as a married couple. 

To me, the biggest issue with Tom and Luann no matter how long they are together they will never be able to out run Tom's making out with Debbie at The Regency.  Luann can quit the show, Tom could get hit by a taxi and die, and their marriage will always reflect Tom's Regency indiscretion.  The idea that there has never been a successful marriage because a man cheated and was found out before the wedding and was forgiven is more about the public nature of the reveal than reality.   It happens, people cheat before they get married and still manage to have successful  monogamous marriages.  I would say the chances go way down if the infidelity is made public, because the parties are then exposed to those around them giving unsolicited advice. (Like I just gave Tom and Luann ;-D)

[motorcitymom65]

18 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't see how listening to witnesses is shady-there are just so many things that can backfire.  Usually the last thing the guilty want to do is have a bunch of witnesses talk about them.  Dorinda is the one being stupid and of course it was all about her.  She could take away whatever she wanted from the witnesses. 

 

How was it all about her? And if it were all about her, what is wrong with that? She has the free will to not partake in something underhanded if she doesn't want to. They were putting her in an awkward position. They threatened her with a friendship. I cannot understand how she is the one being dumb. If there was some big nugget out there that would have made Tom look less guilty and they decided to not shine a light on it, then Tom and Lu are the stupid ones. Again, Dorinda not going to listen didn't in any way put a stop to them doing what they wanted to do. Except for the fact that it was all a big farce. Was there some rule set up by the servers at The Regency that they would only speak about the incident if Dorinda Medley was in the room doing the questioning? 

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, motorcitymom65 said:

How was it all about her? And if it were all about her, what is wrong with that? She has the free will to not partake in something underhanded if she doesn't want to. They were putting her in an awkward position. They threatened her with a friendship. I cannot understand how she is the one being dumb. If there was some big nugget out there that would have made Tom look less guilty and they decided to not shine a light on it, then Tom and Lu are the stupid ones. Again, Dorinda not going to listen didn't in any way put a stop to them doing what they wanted to do. Except for the fact that it was all a big farce. Was there some rule set up by the servers at The Regency that they would only speak about the incident if Dorinda Medley was in the room doing the questioning? 

Dorinda is hired to be on a show.  The single biggest story in many years breaks and she is offered a front row seat to the crazy and she turns it down?  Dorinda is always all about her, all the time.  Dorinda could have had 10 scenes describing what she heard and saw and what Tom did.  Dorinda said last summer, she was keeping John of the show because it takes away from her.

You see fact finding as underhanded I see it as enlightening to the subject matter at hand.  It isn't a court of law no rules are invoked. They had to have a third party and Dorinda, since she knows both Tom and Luann was the logical choice.   What you call a farce I thought was the potential for good TV.  Luann listening to them alone would be considered way to biased and uninteresting. 

[motorcitymom65]

35 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Dorinda is hired to be on a show.  The single biggest story in many years breaks and she is offered a front row seat to the crazy and she turns it down?  Dorinda is always all about her, all the time.  Dorinda could have had 10 scenes describing what she heard and saw and what Tom did.  Dorinda said last summer, she was keeping John of the show because it takes away from her.

 

JMO, but I think they are all about themselves, most all of the time. But in this case, I don't think Dorinda wanted to be any part of it, regardless of what camera time it would give her. To your point, getting involved would have given her scene after scene, and she took a pass. Not the way someone who is striving to always be the center of attention behaves. 

[Ki-in]

Luann is the scheduled guest for WWHL tonight.  Will she show, will the *slap heard round the world* be addressed? 

[Natalie68]

On 7/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, jaybird2 said:

well, as someone predicted (maybe on another thread)., she didn't deny.  just stated that they are very much in love and that marriage takes work.

now, my prediction, she will never, ever divorce tom.  now, he may divorce her.  she will put up with a lot just not to hear 'we told you so'.

It IS a lot of work keeping that hand from slapping the shit out of Tom!  

On 7/17/2017 at 4:37 PM, Mindthinkr said:

No. She'll just be a common NYC divorcée. 

With a Penthouse.

[Natalie68]

On 7/18/2017 at 6:33 AM, Normades said:

Maybe Lu isn't addressing the slap because she doesn't want to give it any more life.  I have no idea what happened, but the idea that B has people digging up dirt is not so unbelievable to me.  She did all that she could to get that video and call bartenders.  Plus Ramona admitted to calling Tom's ex-girlfriends, so it's not a stretch.  You never know what could have happened.  When I joke around with my husband I have a habit of playfully slapping him (very softly) so who knows?  Maybe they were being playful.  I'll wait for more info before I call time of death on their marriage.  And, if these women were sincere in their "I'm your friend and I want to stop the marriage to help you," then a chorus of "I told you so" is not what they should be singing.  I know, I know, who am I kidding, they just want to drag Lu down. 

I really don't believe B would spend her time digging up random dirt because she has a life and probably doesn't really think about these ladies when she isn't filming.  I completely understand WHY she called the waiters and had video of Tom during Regency-gate.  If you are going to accuse someone of something you want all your ducks in a row with no room for error or misunderstanding.  What Ramona did is entirely different.  After the incident she was fishing for dirt.  Not to prove that yes what was seen and reported was true but to add more dirt on the pile.  Very different.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

JMO, but I think they are all about themselves, most all of the time. But in this case, I don't think Dorinda wanted to be any part of it, regardless of what camera time it would give her. To your point, getting involved would have given her scene after scene, and she took a pass. Not the way someone who is striving to always be the center of attention behaves. 

Dorinda was also mad and misinformed about Luann when she left Miami.  She did not know or was too drunk to remember Luann had checked into a hotel.  I always got the impression Dorinda was being very cagey.  If Luann broke it off with Tom, she had made no gestures to aid and abet the cheater, if they stayed together, she would still have a shot to be in the wedding-which I believe at that time most of the cast thought would be filmed and Dorinda might pick up some extra $$$$.

I said she could have had 10 scenes, Dorinda is not a great thinker to me.  Here is my thing why did she bring it up at all? I tend to side with Bethenny on the issue of Dorinda-she coasts off other people's storylines, gets involved in fights from the side  and stirs the pot.  I loved it when Luann asked if she talked about her marriage all the time and no one said she did and Dorinda tried to say Bethenny had done an about face. 

BTW on the whole Tom not wanting Luann to be around Dorinda or Sonja unless they were supportive of their relationship doesn't really bother me.  Most successful relationship do not have friends where the dislike one of the parties or gossip about them.   I can see your position that Dorinda just backed off.    

[Jel]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

A person who has been subject to humiliation can blame more than one source.  Luann can be angry with Tom, and I am quite certain she expressed her anger towards Tom over publicly humiliating her, and she can be angry at Bethenny, and now Ramona for continuing to try and humiliate them.  I think Luann is giddy about love and she fell for Tom, but at any time she could have pulled the plug on the wedding and if cost and having the guests were an issues turned it into a really expensive NYE party. 

To me there is nothing telling about how Luann reacted to Bethenny wanted to publicly humiliate her and did.  Luann's anger issues with Tom  were more likely intensified because of the way it was publicly released not diminished.  I don't understand the OTT reaction comment.  Because Luann walked away after Bethenny told her on camera -or because Luann left the party when Bethenny said if she saw Tom fucking someone on the corner she would not tell Luann?  Luann left again. 

Tom's cheating is his personal moral character flaw, and his behavior hurt Luann.  It has nothing to do with Bethenny's moral shortcomings and her desire to humiliate Luann as publicly and frequently as possible.  Luann was focused on getting her engagement back on track or breaking it off ..  Whether or not Tom has remained true to her is another topic.  Betheny has not relented from dogging the couple.    When you trade on another's personal pain it is a low blow.  Bethenny certainly recognizes the behavior because she calls Ramona out on ambushing Tom and Luann at her house party.

For simplicity's sake, can we separate Bethenny's behavior from Luann's, just for this example? Lu may or may not have a right to be angry with Bethenny and Carole and Ramona, but that is a completely separate issue from Tom's infidelity. 

I'm talking about psychology here mostly, and Lu's choice to focus on B when the real issue was A. Why did she focus on B? Because A was intolerable to her, so she employed psychological defense mechanisms to help her cope with the unacceptable reality that her soon to be husband is a cheater.  Yes, she acknowledged it, yes she told him off about it, but instead of doing what most people would do and think whoa, this doesn't bode well, maybe we should cancel or at least postpone this wedding, she found "reasons" to dismiss her legitimate concerns.  The reasons she found were things like switching her attention from jeez, this guy cheated on me to focusing attention on Bethenny's delivery or her motivations for telling Lu about Tom, Carole and Beth and Ramona's insensitivity, and Tom's assurances that while a leopard, he has somehow changed his spots.

I don't think she really, fully, honestly acknowledged those red flags. Would you go ahead with a planned wedding to someone who was making out with another woman in public, just weeks before? No matter how drunk he was? I sure wouldn't, and I don't think most people would unless they have different, non-traditional, say, views of marriage (which maybe she does) or they don't, but are so invested in the idea of marrying this dude that they'll find a way to minimize the importance of something like your soon to be husband having a drunken make out sesh with another woman. If he was willing to do that in public, what was he doing in private?

How many people (who have no emotional investment in the relationship) would honestly believe there was no chance that he was going to do it again?  Or even a low chance? Not too many in my experience.  

[Ki-in]

IMO the reason she was upset with Bethenny is because Bethenny not only went out of her way to get the goods on Tom but more importantly SHARED it with Carole and Ramona first, two women who have never gotten along with Lu and have had problems with her in the past and Lu knows they were probably all laughing behind her back when the cameras weren't rolling

The old saying "don't shoot the messenger" applies in this situation and the bearer of bad news usually takes the brunt of the anger. Not sure if Bethenny was doing a good deed but those never go unpunished

Luann's anger at Bethenny ratting out Tom is a little like Shannon in RHOC in that she is focusing her anger on Vicki instead of David.  

I like Luann and thought she was smarter than to handle a snake and be surprised she got bit.

[RedheadZombie]

On July 18, 2017 at 11:43 AM, zoeysmom said:

Unsolicited advice to Tom and Luann find new places to dine.  There have to be more than the five places on the UES Tom claims to haunt.  Then they can determine if it is their "friends" or the staff that feel free to share their sightings. 

Ah, but then they would have to pay.  Apparently freebies are more valued than a modicum of privacy. 

[Jel]

30 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

IMO the reason she was upset with Bethenny is because Bethenny not only went out of her way to get the goods on Tom but more importantly SHARED it with Carole and Ramona first, two women who have never gotten along with Lu and have had problems with her in the past and Lu knows they were probably all laughing behind her back when the cameras weren't rolling

The old saying "don't shoot the messenger" applies in this situation and the bearer of bad news usually takes the brunt of the anger. Not sure if Bethenny was doing a good deed but those never go unpunished

Luann's anger at Bethenny ratting out Tom is a little like Shannon in RHOC in that she is focusing her anger on Vicki instead of David.  

I like Luann and thought she was smarter than to handle a snake and be surprised she got bit.

I understand why she might be pissed at Beth's delivery and maybe wished she'd done it in a more private way. But having said that, I don't think that Lu would have changed her mind about the wedding no matter how privately or sensitively she was told about Tom's Regency antics.  She was way too invested it seems. Bethenny's lack of tact/the giggling trio gave her something else to focus her attention on and she was also able to use it to displace some of her anger. 

[RedheadZombie]

On July 18, 2017 at 2:21 PM, zoeysmom said:

I think it has more to do with the fact she planned a great wedding weekend.  It was very pretty and my guess is Luann probably has some planning skills on par with the rest of the RHs.  This is just the biggest bash thrown on the entire franchise and not really shown.  My opinion is the setting the yacht for the rehearsal dinner was great, flowers, tables were pretty. The Marilyn Monroe was a bit much and made little sense.  I kind of get three dresses because she had three parties and her wedding dress was lackluster.  To me it just seemed they attached a "celebrity" who recently had a wedding for the title.  I noticed People is doing other wedding videos on their video site.   

And jumping up and down squeeling, "We got the yacht, we got the yacht", adds that special Je ne sais quoi.  

[HunterHunted]

33 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

IMO the reason she was upset with Bethenny is because Bethenny not only went out of her way to get the goods on Tom but more importantly SHARED it with Carole and Ramona first, two women who have never gotten along with Lu and have had problems with her in the past and Lu knows they were probably all laughing behind her back when the cameras weren't rolling

The old saying "don't shoot the messenger" applies in this situation and the bearer of bad news usually takes the brunt of the anger. Not sure if Bethenny was doing a good deed but those never go unpunished

Luann's anger at Bethenny ratting out Tom is a little like Shannon in RHOC in that she is focusing her anger on Vicki instead of David.  

I like Luann and thought she was smarter than to handle a snake and be surprised she got bit.

Bethenny only intended to tell Carole, Ramona came along too. Bethenny didn't wait until Ramona left and just told both Carole and Ramona. Ramona shared it with Sonja. At that point, LuAnn was angry because it felt like she was the butt of the joke for the rest of the trip. And then at Bagatelle, Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja, and Bethenny's friend ended up discussing it. Maybe Lu might not have been all that upset if Bethenny had only told Carole, but everyone was giving Lu shit for getting engaged to a man she barely knew. She didn't want to admit that there might be some truth to what everyone was saying. It was easier for Lu to focus her anger at Bethenny rather than Tom.

[Ki-in]

6 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It was easier for Lu to focus her anger at Bethenny rather than Tom.

Exactly.  

[film noire]

On 7/18/2017 at 2:21 PM, zoeysmom said:

The Marilyn Monroe was a bit much and made little sense.  

That was so bizarre -- nothing about a suicidal sex symbol with multiple unhappy marriages says "Congratulations to the happy couple!"

Edited July 19, 2017 by film noire

[Baltimore Betty]

9 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

And jumping up and down squeeling, "We got the yacht, we got the yacht", adds that special Je ne sais quoi.  

Big whoop, anyone can rent a yacht, even me but I guess it's nicer when a friend loans one to you...but still. 

Lu was one of those brides that the wedding plans were bigger than the marriage plans and to save face she is sticking like glue to Tom.  I say next season she will be a "friend of" while she goes thru her some what public divorce.

2 minutes ago, film noire said:

That was so bizarre -- nothing about a suicidal sex symbol with multiple unhappy marriages says "Congratulations to the happy couple!"

OMG!

[RedheadZombie]

17 hours ago, Jel said:

I was more talking about what Celia Rubenstein was talking about above -- displacement and denial.  

From my armchair: I don't think they worked anything out -- instead Luann displaced her intolerable feelings of anger towards Tom onto Bethenny. (Recall her initial reaction was normal, healthy and appropriate -- something like -- she's my friend, of course she's going to tell me this -- words to that effect).   Then with the help of some (well meaning?) HWs, she quickly displaced her anger onto Bethenny because that was more psychologically tolerable to her.  I also don;t think she ingested the information at all -- instead, she denied it. She did so by minimizing the importance of a kiss, by questioning the veracity of the report, and by questioning the motive of the messenger.  

She absolutely minimized the kiss, then outed the truth later by calling it an affair.  Unless there was a separate cheating incident, of course.  That's the problem with lying so much, it's hard to keep the stories straight. 

[RedheadZombie]

8 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I love this post so much. You bring up a point that I thought was interesting at the time, and went along with something that both Carole and Heather had said about Lu. That often times her initial reaction is the right one, the honorable one. But she worries too much about how it will all look, and she revisits things. After the reveal by Beth, she didn't assign nefarious motives to what Beth was saying. Her response was basically, of course she is going to tell me this. Who wouldn't share such information? Her response was all about the betrayal by Tom and how horrible it all was that he would do something like that to her. Her reaction was the one that most people would have in the same situation. It was only after that she became upset with Beth. When she had decided to forgive the jackass and wanted to find a way to make that OK, so her anger moved from Tom over to Beth. It reminded me so much of the "don't be all uncool" moment. Initially she wasn't mad at the others. She thought they should calm down in T&C, but she just thought they were overreacting. Not trying to "catch" her doing something. But then she thought about how it would all look. The married guy part of it all, and she comes unglued in the aftermath. 

And for all the cries that Bethenny chose to tell her on camera, let's not forget that Lu chose to call and confront Tom, ON CAMERA, in all its glory.  Girl is playing the game just like the rest of them. 

I think Lu reads and understands situations correctly in the moment, but over analyzes and stews on things until she's assigned blame on others for "attacking" her.   

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Bethenny only intended to tell Carole, Ramona came along too. Bethenny didn't wait until Ramona left and just told both Carole and Ramona. Ramona shared it with Sonja. At that point, LuAnn was angry because it felt like she was the butt of the joke for the rest of the trip. And then at Bagatelle, Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja, and Bethenny's friend ended up discussing it. Maybe Lu might not have been all that upset if Bethenny had only told Carole, but everyone was giving Lu shit for getting engaged to a man she barely knew. She didn't want to admit that there might be some truth to what everyone was saying. It was easier for Lu to focus her anger at Bethenny rather than Tom.

My issue is I think Luann can be a ball buster and at that time I think it was more important to Tom he recoup the relationship.  Worse that would have happened to Luann is she would have walked away with murky yellow diamond ring.  We didn't get a true timeline of what was going on-there was the reveal and week later the finale party.  Skip forward five months and they do the Reunion.  The only person Luann had continuing contact with was Tom.

I will say this about Luann she is not one to whine about the imperfections in her man of the moment's foibles.  BTW I think that is a quality and one Ramona followed until Mario ditched her.  If you don't like and respect your partner, you can't expect others to.  Public and private are pretty much two different animals.  I know Bethenny is all about keeping it real and it just doesn't work out well in a relationship.  Regardless of who is doing the lambasting.  it just doesn't make sense to publicly berate a partner..

To me, Tom obviously apologized I didn't see that from the others towards Luann.   Luann remaining angry at  Bethenny didn't negate what she had discussed privately with Tom.  These ladies were relentless about going after the couple.  Without the apologies, and continual put downs there is just no comparison.  These women just kept insisting that Luann admit to this or that, or call of the wedding-so very unreasonable. 

The biggest issue for me is why do these Tom's other women and Luann's exes even want to be around this couple?  I don't care about Ramona or Sonja the mercy f*ck, but why this Missy or Harry Dubin?  Do they not have anything better to do with their time?  They obviously want to keep their past romances alive or be relevant is a very strange way..  Why is it necessary these people identify themselves as former fling of Luann or Tom?  Have they no pride?   There just have to be people this couple can communicate with and socialize with they haven't shagged.  As long as Tom and Luann keep up this lifestyle they will be held up to ridicule.

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

That was so bizarre -- nothing about a suicidal sex symbol with multiple unhappy marriages says "Congratulations to the happy couple!"

Maybe it's like one of those Law & Order: Special Victims Unit holiday marathons on USA. Why would I chose to celebrate Labor Day by watching a marathon of celebrities playing predators for 12 hours?

[Wendy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4709288/LuAnn-Lesseps-puts-united-Tom-D-Agostino.html

'I did not slap him in the face. End of story,' she told the website. 'It was like a face hold more than a slap, really. It was a little love pat — it wasn't a slap. A slap is something totally different.'

Luann also said that though she and her husband are 'working through some problems', they are also having 'a lot of makeup sex.' 

Oh Luann, bless her heart, LMAO. 
 

[Leroux]

Thanks for the link Wendy

IMO Luann waited a couple of days to "sort of" deny it just in the event that there was pictures or videos of the incident. 

In case there was a picture, she now calls it a "love pat" - hmmm very transparent. 

The cherry on top? "We are having a lot of makeup sex"  - code for whoever skank is messing with Tom gets the message that they are still having sex. 

 

Luann knows how to play the game like a pro. 

[QuinnM]

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There was the rumor years ago that the Count hit Luann at some wedding but no one ever claimed she hit him back. So.......I don't think Luann resorts to physical violence even when she is attacked

And from another ex - 

http://pagesix.com/2017/07/18/luann-de-lesseps-ex-shopping-reality-show-with-current-girlfriend/

He describes their relationship as sometimes amour and then sometimes all out war.  So I guess Luann just likes it rough.

[SCS]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't care about Ramona or Sonja the mercy f*ck, but why this Missy or Harry Dubin?  

Mindy and Harry want to be around Tom and Lu when the cameras are rolling for whatever privilege or goody being on camera offers. We have no idea how often (or if at all) Tom and Lu see Mindy and Harry in the off season.

 

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Why is it necessary these people identify themselves as former fling of Luann or Tom?

 

Mindy and Harry are former (!?) flings of Lu and Tom. How else would they be billed?

 

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Have they no pride?  

 

 Who? Lu and Tom? Only until it interferes with the paycheck.

Edited July 20, 2017 by steelcitysister

[KungFuBunny]

33 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And from another ex - 

http://pagesix.com/2017/07/18/luann-de-lesseps-ex-shopping-reality-show-with-current-girlfriend/

He describes their relationship as sometimes amour and then sometimes all out war.  So I guess Luann just likes it rough.

OMG another Minzy

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Wendy said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4709288/LuAnn-Lesseps-puts-united-Tom-D-Agostino.html

'I did not slap him in the face. End of story,' she told the website. 'It was like a face hold more than a slap, really. It was a little love pat — it wasn't a slap. A slap is something totally different.'

Luann also said that though she and her husband are 'working through some problems', they are also having 'a lot of makeup sex.' 

Oh Luann, bless her heart, LMAO. 
 

Well, now we know something did happen and I don't buy it was a love tap/face hold either. LOL That said, I think their marriage/relationship has been put under a magnifying glass and that would put a strain on any marriage, strong or weak. 

[film noire]

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 they are also having 'a lot of makeup sex.' 

 what an unappetizing image -- there goes dinner.

[SCS]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

, I (SCS not WW) think their Lu's eagerness for relevance and camera time put the marriage/relationship has been put under a magnifying glass and that would put a strain on any marriage, strong or weak but the NYC penthouse, much like Lu's extra teeth has the ability to alleviate tension. 

 

A few wee edits and ....

[Celia Rubenstein]

Oh so she just grabbed his face.  She didn't actually "slap" him.

Lovely.

Luann ... if that is the best you can do, you shoulda just said nothing.  At least silence left it open to more generous theories.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, steelcitysister said:

 

A few wee edits and ....

OMG! lmao! That is Funny!

BUT...... (lol)

Luann's/Tom's relationship was put under the magnifying glass by the others, not by Luann. All she wanted was for them to support her in what she was feeling, not by them giving her their opinions about how they thinks she should feel or what they think she should do/react. Bethenny, Carole, Sonja and Ramona made the last season and a half all about Luann/Tom, not the other way around. 

[Pickles]

Luann on Andy Cohen. Said she did not slap Tom. She was "lovingly stroking" his face and they mistook it for slapping. Lol. Omg. She did say they had a huge argument at the restaurant and that they never go to bed angry, but if they do they make up the next morning. Andy called her out on that statement, saying it makes no sense. They never go to bed angry, but they do. 

[jaybird2]

did this really happened.  did dorinda confirm this?

i don't know what happened here!  i was trying to ask someone up thread about tom asking dorinda to meet with the regency staff.  did this really happened.

Edited July 20, 2017 by jaybird2

[WireWrap]

44 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

did this really happened.  did dorinda confirm this?

i don't know what happened here!  i was trying to ask someone up thread about tom asking dorinda to meet with the regency staff.  did this really happened.

Yes, Tom did ask Dorinda, in a phone call that was filmed only on Dorinda's end.

[jaybird2]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, Tom did ask Dorinda, in a phone call that was filmed only on Dorinda's end.

wow....how did i miss this.  was the film shown on the show

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

wow....how did i miss this.  was the film shown on the show

Yes. It happened right after they got back from Miami. Dorinda was in her apartment when she got the call.

[jaybird2]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes. It happened right after they got back from Miami. Dorinda was in her apartment when she got the call.

wow, just wow.  my mouth is hanging open.   but i really don't know  why i should be so dumbfounded.

[zoeysmom]

54 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, Tom did ask Dorinda, in a phone call that was filmed only on Dorinda's end.

Did Dorinda get a call or did Ramona go over to a sick Dorinda's house and Dorinda relayed her version of the phone call?  I just remember Dorinda being sick and Ramona coming over.  Or was Ramona there when the phone call came in? 

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Did Dorinda get a call or did Ramona go over to a sick Dorinda's house and Dorinda relayed her version of the phone call?  I just remember Dorinda being sick and Ramona coming over.  Or was Ramona there when the phone call came in? 

I seem to remember hearing Dorinda talking to Tom on the phone then a hot second later Ramona arrives and we get the full rundown of the conversation. 

[film noire]

Loving this Luann (ditch Tom, marry a pirate and you will own the franchise).

[QuinnM]

And the hits just keep coming.

http://pagesix.com/2017/07/22/tom-almost-called-off-wedding-to-luann-the-day-before/

Any guesses on who placed this one?  I notice no mention of Sonja so I say Sonja placed it.  Basically any of us that watched Rebecca's bathroom confession could have written the article so it's not all new stuff.  Sonja?  Is this how she is affording new sharpies?

[zoeysmom]

On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 10:23 PM, WireWrap said:

I seem to remember hearing Dorinda talking to Tom on the phone then a hot second later Ramona arrives and we get the full rundown of the conversation. 

Here is the clip-and Dorinda screws it up-originally she claims Tom wants to bring to waiters over to the "other girls" then Dorinda veers way off course. Dumb drunk  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/episode-20/videos/dorinda-isnt-lying-for-luann

[zoeysmom]

22 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And the hits just keep coming.

http://pagesix.com/2017/07/22/tom-almost-called-off-wedding-to-luann-the-day-before/

Any guesses on who placed this one?  I notice no mention of Sonja so I say Sonja placed it.  Basically any of us that watched Rebecca's bathroom confession could have written the article so it's not all new stuff.  Sonja?  Is this how she is affording new sharpies?

I am going to guess Captain Obvious.  Why is this newsworthy seven months later?  Of course I would have loved to see Tom's texts, e-mails and phone log wedding weekend.  Just because.

At this point Tom and Luann remind me of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton-pubic fights and passionate make ups.  Maybe there next vacation should be to rehab.  This couple is way too public for me.

[WireWrap]

51 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And the hits just keep coming.

http://pagesix.com/2017/07/22/tom-almost-called-off-wedding-to-luann-the-day-before/

Any guesses on who placed this one?  I notice no mention of Sonja so I say Sonja placed it.  Basically any of us that watched Rebecca's bathroom confession could have written the article so it's not all new stuff.  Sonja?  Is this how she is affording new sharpies?

Is Sonja trying to secure her Apple for next season by coming for Luann in page 6? LOL

[diadochokinesis]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I am going to guess Captain Obvious.  Why is this newsworthy seven months later?  Of course I would have loved to see Tom's texts, e-mails and phone log wedding weekend.  Just because.

At this point Tom and Luann remind me of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton-pubic fights and passionate make ups.  Maybe there next vacation should be to rehab.  This couple is way too public for me.

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I'm wondering if Sonja (or someone else) is angry at Lu over what went down at the reunion.  All of these leaks have been coming out since they filmed the reunion and I just find the timing very interesting. 

[WireWrap]

32 minutes ago, diadochokinesis said:

I'm wondering if Sonja (or someone else) is angry at Lu over what went down at the reunion.  All of these leaks have been coming out since they filmed the reunion and I just find the timing very interesting. 

You may be on to something! If this is because of something said at the reunion by Luann, it really ticked Sonja or Ramona off big time!

[Cherrio]

I bet there are an endless amount of people calling Page 6.  

This is a couple according to Luann who did their own counseling at the Regency no less.  

And there is the slap seen by witnesses at a restaurant.

I think they should have a Page 16 for reality people since they are Z listers

[LIMOM]

Did anyone watch  the WWHL with Mizrahi(the clothes designer)?

 he confirmed that there were issues with Luann's marriage and that people were talking...

Edited July 26, 2017 by LIMOM

[WireWrap]

11 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Did anyone watch  the WWHL with Mizrahi(the clothes designer)?

 he confirmed that there were issues with Luann's marriage and that people were talking...

Yes, he did and he also said that he hopes the rumors aren't true. AND, he LOVES Kelly (and every single HW there is), which makes me question his honesty. LOL