"The View": Week Of 9/10/2018

[Morgalisa]

I support Planned Parenthood and donate to them regularly.  But I agree with Sunny that they do fudge the numbers and downplay the percentage of their services that go toward abortions. And Sunny was very preachy and judgy. She could have made her point a different way. She took the Meghan approach and tried to fillet the doctor. I'm disappointed in her approach, but not her belief.

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, blondiec0332 said:

Sunny is entitled to her beliefs about abortion but so is every other woman.  I thought she was very obnoxious to the doctor.   As a lawyer she should respect the law. Makes me wonder if her beliefs would have influenced her decisions as a prosecutor. 

That was embarrassing!  She has kept her cool about so many things (with and without Meghan).  I was surprised at her rudeness.  (Bolding is mine)  I now believe that she did make biased decisions as a prosecuter.

3 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

She did not care about the fact that they provide healthcare to low income women.

And aren't these (for the most part) the women from the neighborhoods she grew up in?

[Badbea99]

5 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

No doubt the spoiled, little, rich girl threw a fit by phone shrieking at them to show her in the intro this week in case the viewers think she was fired. I remember near the end of last season, she noticeably made comments about how, after this show, she's moving to Montana. And that she wasn't fired after she disappeared a few days following her attacks on David Hogg and the Florida gun shooting survivors on the show, when everyone on Twitter had been speculating she'd taken a suspension instead of apologizing on-air. And as soon as she inked her contract for the new season, she was shouting it from the rooftops all over the place. All I can guess is it was job insecurity because everyone was betting on her getting fired because of how awful, disgusting, and incompetent she is. 

Whenever she finally does get kicked out the door--and it can't happen soon enough--her meltdown will be delicious.

My feelings exactly!  I bet she was on the phone throwing a temper tantrum screeching and crying about just losing her father and having to respond to inquiries as to whether she was still part of the show.  Poor, poor Nutmeg.  It's obvious to me the show is bending over backwards to her and it's only going to get much worse.

I'm getting the feeling the Executive Producer, Brian Teta, is taking the show in a different direction and it's not working.  Hard to believe he worked for The Letterman Show.  I have a feeling he's in Nutmeg's corner, another Bill Geddie.  The longer interviews with guests are something new this season and something I thought I would enjoy as I've thought in seasons past many guests were rushed and not given a chance to speak and promote their latest projects.  They need to get the timing down better for questions from the hosts as it's extremely annoying for someone to ask a question and then Whoopie has to jump in and tell them to hold that thought, we'll be right back.  It seems to be happening with almost every segment.  I wonder how this will play out when Nutmeg returns.  She will probably dominate the conversation and pontificate even more than ever.  

Sunny's behavior was extremely annoying during the Planned Parenthood segment.  I'm beginning to think she may be taking cues from her good friend.  She's beginning to behave like she does when someone or something doesn't suit her.  

Dear Abby is going to be interesting to watch when the chosen one returns.  I think Nutmeg will walk all over her.  I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.  I was surprised to hear Michael Moore and her grandfather were friends.  

[Tammee]

16 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

Whoopie's mom died at the very end of August while she was in London I think doing Sister Act. She returned to the View when they returned around Sept 7, I think. When her brother died I seem to recall her taking just a few days. I saw an interview where she said she does better if she stays busy and she prefers to work.  Everybody grieves differently and the amount of time one spends grieving has no correlation to how much the deceased was loved.

Totally agree.  I wasnt disputing that, just answering the question about who lost who when

[JAYJAY1979]

Can we hire panelists that aren't so emotional.  I can hardly believe Sunny could have been a lawyer with how overly emotional she is and judgmental she is.  I wish she'd talk more about her chickens :)

[SrOfficial]

5 hours ago, Badbea99 said:

The longer interviews with guests are something new this season and something I thought I would enjoy as I've thought in seasons past many guests were rushed and not given a chance to speak and promote their latest projects.  They need to get the timing down better for questions from the hosts as it's extremely annoying for someone to ask a question and then Whoopie has to jump in and tell them to hold that thought, we'll be right back.  It seems to be happening with almost every segment.

Interviewing is a skill.  The women on this show are unable to even do any research on their guests.  Too many commercials, also.

[ChicagoCita]

23 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

Whoopie's mom died at the very end of August while she was in London I think doing Sister Act. She returned to the View when they returned around Sept 7, I think.

I remember one time she totally lost it on the air about her mom. She said sometimes the grief just sneaks up on you with no notice. I still had my parents then, and I remember it being one of the moments I really learned something from Whoopi. It was also one of the times I thought we saw the real Whoopi beneath the "EGOT" persona.

[maggiemae]

I missed the interview with the PP President but watched it on Youtube. 

I am so disappointed in Sunny. She may have quibbled over the amount of abortions preformed but never tried to make a point federal funds paid for them.

Abortions are legal, for the moment. And she has changed her point that that law is settled law, for the moment. No longer for separation of church and  government I guess.

sigh

[Fannysue]

9 hours ago, Morgalisa said:

I support Planned Parenthood and donate to them regularly.  But I agree with Sunny that they do fudge the numbers and downplay the percentage of their services that go toward abortions.

How do you know this?   I donate to them regularly and I don't know this.

[Morgalisa]

49 minutes ago, Fannysue said:

How do you know this?   I donate to them regularly and I don't know this.

The article I read was a fact check article a few years ago in the Washington Post. I think Sunny referred to a Huffpo article (which I have not read.) The other side says 94 percent of their services are abortions.  I don't believe that at all but they can manipulate the numbers to make it appear that way if you are anti-abortion.

I will continue to support them.

[ginger90]

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The other side says 94 percent of their services are abortions. 

“Services”, it seems to me, can have varied interpretations. Perhaps it includes counseling on the subject? I don’t know, just a thought.

From the show’s Twitter, video of highlights from the week:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheView/status/1040978555306471424/video/1

[PeterBrady]

Sunny was stating the 94% statistic regarding the proportion of abortions done at planned parenthood. I don’t understand why people get upset with that. If abortions are legal and fine and all that then what’s the problem? To me, you would only be upset with that statistic if you thought that abortion is wrong. We know that Sunny’s view on the issue, but why would the rest of them be upset?

[TheGreenKnight]

The rest of the panel was upset because Sunny was insinuating something was wrong with Planned Parenthood because she thinks abortion is wrong. Why even make a point about what the percentage of abortions versus other healthcare services provided is unless you personally have an issue with abortion in the first place?

I love Sunny and I accept that she doesn't personally believe in abortion because of her religious beliefs, but that was definitely a low moment for her. Usually her position is that abortion is the law and she accepts it as a right even if she may feel the decision to abort is immoral on a personal level. But why then attack the head of Planned Parenthood the same way the people who want abortion outlawed would? Or, like Abby herself picked up right after Sunny finished, practically imply the head of PP is a "baby murderer" who's trying to hide it?

Edited September 16, 2018 by TheGreenKnight

[hisbunkie]

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On 9/12/2018 at 11:04 AM, blondiec0332 said:

  And did Abby forget Melania also was the other woman when Trump was married to Marla with Tiffany at home.

 

And did everyone forget Melania’s soft porn pics?  I saw them, and wasn’t even looking for them.  The hypocrisy is shocking. 

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, TheGreenKnight said:

But why then attack the head of Planned Parenthood the same way the people who want abortion outlawed would?

With such obvious anger.  It was embarrassing.

[Jaded]

The 94%/95% percentage was stated by one side and parroted on Faux  a few years ago and probably still has been since. Googling will show this fact. I haven't watched an episode this season but shame on Sunny if she used those statistics as fact.

[tribeca]

I totally missed the Sunny interview.   Usually watch the show after work on dvr.  Think it was raining out and the local news broke in to let us know. Since they seem to talk about the weather forever I deleted recording.  Will have to look up the interview.   Sunny has been very passionate this season.  

    Thinking of getting the trolley bags for mom.  She is disabled.  Grocery shopping is her hobby.  The paper bags break.  The plastic bags are difficult to carry unless they have very little items in them.  

[ari333]

2 hours ago, hisbunkie said:

And did everyone forget Melania’s soft porn pics?  I saw them, and wasn’t even looking for them.  The hypocrisy is shocking. 

Thank you for mentioning this. And Michelle wore a sleeveless dress! How DARE she! 

Sunny seems passive aggressive and hypocritical to me at times. I generally like her, but sometimes.... ugg.

 

I have found myself agreeing with Whoops. I know, right? 

Edited September 16, 2018 by ari333

[RHJunkie]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:30 AM, Apprentice79 said:

She came across as a church lady judging the doctor, she had such a tone that Whoopie had to remind her that Abortion is legal, so, Planned Parenthood is not doing anything illegal.  She did not care about the fact that they provide healthcare to low income women. The fact that they provided abortions stuck in her craw.  

Which is exactly why I was turned off by her attitude in this particular interview. She's been vocal about being pro-life but has also defended the position that the government should have no role in deciding what women should do with their bodies, especially based on religious principles. MAYBE her questions were intended to pose common challenges that pro-lifers have and to give the guest an opportunity to dismantle many misconceptions but the way she presented the statistics and posed her questions didn't seem like she was trying to extract information, but rather posing them with some personal judgment. History has shown that abortions being illegal doesn't stop women from trying to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, it just shows a higher number of deaths related to women who desperately try to take matters into their own hands because there is no legal avenue for them to have an abortion safely. I would love for a pro-choice person on that panel to pose the question to the pro-lifers that if they care so much about life, then why are they advocating for laws that actually jeopardize not just the fetus in the wound that they consider to be life, but the undeniable life of the mother who is alive, has built a life, pays her taxes and why don't they see that life as deserving the dignity and respect to trust that she will make decisions that are best for her life and her body? 

[Tammee]

15 hours ago, ChicagoCita said:

I remember one time she totally lost it on the air about her mom. She said sometimes the grief just sneaks up on you with no notice. I still had my parents then, and I remember it being one of the moments I really learned something from Whoopi. It was also one of the times I thought we saw the real Whoopi beneath the "EGOT" persona.

Aww thats a nice memory CC.  Im sorry about your parents and Whoopis mom.  I wish i was a watcher then but i wasnt.  I know she was very affected by friend Robin Williams passing.

Thats the Whoopi we know and love.  Albeit grief stricken.  Its kind of a sad time right now it seems.  Im trying hard not to drink the Michael Moore koolaid lol.  The one thing i remember he cracked me up when he was doing his weekly network show and did a segment on Jeffrey Dalmer, Ted Bundy type killers and how all of the neighbors said ' they were such nice, quiet people' LOL. Then he started doing really bizarre late nite activities like painting his garage door blood red, and dug huge body size holes in the front yard with a backhoe,   started dancing around his front room with an axe, and the shadow was seen through the curtains.  And still they couldnt shake the neighbors 'hes such a nice boy'  hahah

[Tammee]

7 hours ago, ginger90 said:

“Services”, it seems to me, can have varied interpretations. Perhaps it includes counseling on the subject? I don’t know, just a thought.

From the show’s Twitter, video of highlights from the week:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheView/status/1040978555306471424/video/1

As a medical biller/coder i can agree.  Anything can fall under services, its all in the coding that would say what was up.  And abortions are a major procedure so if any reimbursement was requested it would have to be broken out.  I specialized in Medicaid and they are tyrannical when it comes to abortion billing.  Absolutely not covered unless emergency of course.  And the facility was just as tyrannical about not billing for this as they could lose their fed funding

[Ladyrain]

3 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I would love for a pro-choice person on that panel to pose the question to the pro-lifers that if they care so much about life, then why are they advocating for laws that actually jeopardize not just the fetus in the wound that they consider to be life, but the undeniable life of the mother who is alive, has built a life, pays her taxes and why don't they see that life as deserving the dignity and respect to trust that she will make decisions that are best for her life and her body? 

I wish The View had hired you instead of Abby.

[hisbunkie]

10 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

I would love for a pro-choice person on that panel to pose the question to the pro-lifers that if they care so much about life, then why are they advocating for laws that actually jeopardize not just the fetus in the wound that they consider to be life, but the undeniable life of the mother who is alive, has built a life, pays her taxes and why don't they see that life as deserving the dignity and respect to trust that she will make decisions that are best for her life and her body? 

What is always shocking to me is that so many of these “Right to Life” supporters have no issue with going to war and the death penalty. They are also supporters of “Stand Your Ground” -no need to show actual threat before one kills another, just “feeling” threatened is enough. The hypocrisy.

[backformore]

Just to give some perspective on Sunny's view on abortion: 

I grew up catholic, went to catholic schools, taught by nuns.  One thing that was rammed down our throats was that abortion is the worst sin a person can commit, worse than murder.   Why?   because when a baby is born, and then baptized, when they die, their souls go to heaven.  If a baby dies before baptism, they could not go to heaven.  At the time, the church said there was a place called limbo which was where all the unbaptized baby souls went - forever. I recall an illustration of sad little ghostly baby-souls floating, miserably sad, with the idea that they would be in this sad state for eternity.  By the logic that an embryo or fetus has a soul at the moment of conception, an abortion means condemning an innocent soul to eternity in limbo.  since then, as recently as 2007, the church has refined the teachings, and said limbo does not exist.  But, it was never made clear what happens to those baby souls.  

similarly, catholic missionaries went to poor countries and their main purpose was to baptize everyone.  people were dying of hunger and disease, but the catholic missionaries would make sure their souls went to heaven.  That was the primary goal, above feeding and giving medical help.

So for catholics, it's about innocent baby souls not being allowed into heaven because they were aborted. its not just about LIFE, it's about the After-Life.  Because our lives on earth are just a moment in time, in comparison to the eternity that we will be in the afterlife.  And not believing this is paramount to saying the whole catholic faith is misguided and wrong.  For a catholic to have an abortion, or to speak in favor of abortion, or to quibble on this point, is sinful.   That's why Sunny won't do it. 

Anyway, I just wanted to give that perspective from a catholic education viewpoint.

  (and to say I haven't believe any of it since the age of 14 or 15) 

[Medicine Crow]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

Just to give some perspective on Sunny's view on abortion: 

Anyway, I just wanted to give that perspective from a catholic education viewpoint.

  (and to say I haven't believe any of it since the age of 14 or 15) 

Thanks @backformore

Edited September 17, 2018 by Medicine Crow
wanted to add more to post, but for some reason, my keyboard won't type "up there". Wanted to say I always wondered why Catholics were so adamant!!

[Tunia]

backformore, that was an excellent explanation you gave of the Catholic view on abortion.  Reading your post flooded me with memories of Sister Mary DeChantel stating it exactly the same way, and I, too, recall "an illustration of sad little ghostly baby-souls floating" in a baby blue sky with fluffy white clouds.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Tunia
because abortion is different than adoption

[Ladyrain]

@backformore, thank you for your insightful post.  It does explain Sunny's viewpoint, but at the same time, I'm like......WTF????  She's supposedly intelligent, educated.  I am probably not either of those two things, and certainly not schooled to the extent she is, and even I - out here in Podunk USA - can't for the life of me understand how anyone can blindly follow such ideology.   Yes, I've heard the argument about "faith" and that's why it's called that, but I just can't.  I was brought up Catholic also (in fact, several houses down from the church) but I questioned everything from the get-go and refused to be one of the sheeple.  -  I can almost understand Sunny's adherence to that belief system (have some in my family) but she steadfastly refuses to even entertain thoughts from anyone disagreeing with her, no matter what.  No matter what.  And that "what" encompasses a lot of pain and suffering for millions of people.  I know she's proud of her religious beliefs, but she's just being cruel and wrong-headed, in my humble opinion, to make no attempt whatsoever to see the other side of such monumental issues.

[SrOfficial]

1 hour ago, Ladyrain said:

@backformore, thank you for your insightful post.  It does explain Sunny's viewpoint, but at the same time, I'm like......WTF????  She's supposedly intelligent, educated.  I am probably not either of those two things, and certainly not schooled to the extent she is, and even I - out here in Podunk USA - can't for the life of me understand how anyone can blindly follow such ideology.   Yes, I've heard the argument about "faith" and that's why it's called that, but I just can't.  I was brought up Catholic also (in fact, several houses down from the church) but I questioned everything from the get-go and refused to be one of the sheeple.  -  I can almost understand Sunny's adherence to that belief system (have some in my family) but she steadfastly refuses to even entertain thoughts from anyone disagreeing with her, no matter what.  No matter what.  And that "what" encompasses a lot of pain and suffering for millions of people.  I know she's proud of her religious beliefs, but she's just being cruel and wrong-headed, in my humble opinion, to make no attempt whatsoever to see the other side of such monumental issues.

I hear you.  They have been taught from an early age, dare I say, brainwashed?  

[athousandclowns]

Yay for Joy and her rant against the white old men who are protecting Kavananaugh calling him a coward. 

I really hope  Tommia wins her case because this needs to stop. 

[suomi]

On 9/19/2018 at 11:38 AM, SrOfficial said:

I hear you.  They have been taught from an early age, dare I say, brainwashed?  

Slinking in to say this reminded me of Gene McCarthy's quip in '67 after George Romney said that (re the war in Vietnam) he had been brainwashed by the Pentagon:

“I think a light rinse would have been sufficient.”

[Medicine Crow]

7 hours ago, suomi said:

Slinking in to say this reminded me of Gene McCarthy's quip in '67 after George Romney said that (re the war in Vietnam) he had been brainwashed by the Pentagon:

“I think a light rinse would have been sufficient.”

LOL ... Good one!!!