Mayans MC - General Discussion

[SimoneS]

I still wish that EZ was an federal agent instead of a CI, but it wouldn't be realistic.

I didn't have much sympathy for the drug lord or his wife either. I am not convinced that the baby is worse off with the other drug dealers.

Coco is interesting. His mother is a prostitute and his younger sister is doing porn. The other club members don't seem to know much about his real life.

[tennisgurl]

I dont have any sympathy for the drug lord or his wife. He regularly tortures and murders people, and she apparently knows what he does for a living, and just turns a blind eye. I dont want the baby to be hurt, but maybe the kid is better off with parents who dont set kids on fire, and occasionally write their kids off as collateral damage. I did actually love that scene with the grandma and the uncle talking about when his brother was kidnapped as a baby, they were just like "it sucked, but...we knew we could have more kids." That was so cold, even drug cartel guy was shaken for a second!

Interesting getting some more information about Coco. His mom is a hooker, and he apparently has a sister who is doing porn. He seems interesting, and I like getting some more stuff about the guys beyond EZ and his brother. Does his brother have a history with the rebel women? I still like her a lot, she is not screwing around, but she clearly felt awful about what happened due to the kidnapping. 

[sunshine2288]

I'm curious to see where the Galindo stuff goes given the behind the scenes manipulation. The uncle and Galindo seem to have very different ideas about family.

And like SOA this could definitely be a show that might not have any actual "good" characters by the end, just varying shades of guilt.

[Princess Consuela]

Loved seeing Chucky - hope he pops up again.  Also liked we got a little info on Coco (he's one of my favorites so far).  

Loved EZ mouthing off to Miguel & Bishop not getting mad at him for it.

I really loved the scenes with EZ & Felipe & EZ & Emily.

I do wonder if Miguel's brother is actually alive & that they were just told he was dead & he'll pop up at some point?

[Chaos Theory]

I don’t have to have sympathy for a character to find them interesting.  The fact that Emily knows exactly what her husband is and turned s blind eye until her son was kidnapped is the kind of think I actually watch tv for.  I am curious if she will want to get more involved with her hudbands business and EZ because of it.  Will the kidnapping of her son have unintended conquences by getting her involved when she wasn’t really before which puts EZ in s bad spot.

[SuzieQ]

3 hours ago, Princess Consuela said:

 

I do wonder if Miguel's brother is actually alive & that they were just told he was dead & he'll pop up at some point?

I think that will be a major twist and possible cliffhanger at the end of the season.

[WalkerTalker]

20 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I dont have any sympathy for the drug lord or his wife. He regularly tortures and murders people, and she apparently knows what he does for a living, and just turns a blind eye. I dont want the baby to be hurt, but maybe the kid is better off with parents who dont set kids on fire, and occasionally write their kids off as collateral damage. I did actually love that scene with the grandma and the uncle talking about when his brother was kidnapped as a baby, they were just like "it sucked, but...we knew we could have more kids." That was so cold, even drug cartel guy was shaken for a second!

Interesting getting some more information about Coco. His mom is a hooker, and he apparently has a sister who is doing porn. He seems interesting, and I like getting some more stuff about the guys beyond EZ and his brother. Does his brother have a history with the rebel women? I still like her a lot, she is not screwing around, but she clearly felt awful about what happened due to the kidnapping. 

I thought the Uncle had the mother lie to him so he would take action against the group who kidnapped the baby. When they were in the kitchen she expressed her anger about lying to him. Or, was she upset that she had to tell him the truth? I just managed to confuse myself, lol. 

[walnutqueen]

I'm just not finding the plotlines or the characters compelling enough to put up with having to read all those fucking subtitles.

[Chaos Theory]

I’m glad I decided to watch The Purge live.  That is far more entertaining.  I don’t know about this.  So far the only person I find interesting is actually Emily.  How the hell did she get involved with the head of the Cartel in the first place?  Ez and his working fir the feds plot is kinda trite and boring.  I don’t think any of The Mayans are interesting enough to hold the plot together.   Honestly the cartel and the rebels may be......especially if Emily gets more involved.  

[SuzWhat]

I started watching the OG SOA with the subtitles on from that season they were in Ireland to the end.  It was so much easier to catch what they are saying.   So, I don't mind the subtitles when they are speaking Spanish.  I like the show overall.   It is 10,000% better than that "Bastard Executioner" show or whatever the hell it was called. 

[kicksave]

On 9/5/2018 at 3:03 PM, Brad008 said:

Hmm not sure what to think of this show yet. Lots of twists and turns. Seems like a similar version of SOA with the club doing bad things and one guy wanting to get the club out of those things. Also thought most of the actors were really bad, especially that one guy who kept saying, "My bad."

 

I'll keep watching just because I imagine it'll get better but I wouldn't say it caught my attention yet. 

 

Also, since when could they say the F word every other sentence on Fox?

I disagree about the acting...this is a great ensemble of some the best Latino actors around. Most of them have been in several TV shows and movies. The "my bad" guy was brilliant in American Crime Story on ABC...also Danny Pino of Cold Case and Law and Order...to name a few. The similarities between SOA and this show are inevitable but it is a very different storyline. I think it will take a few more episodes to really get into it but I like it so far...very au current with the back drop of the "wall" that exists on the border now and the ease with which the cartels are able to get their "product" into the U.S. without detection. I'm in.

[ctlady]

I know I'm supposed to give this show more than 2 episodes before judging, not to mention to stop comparing it to SoA, but it's really hard not to.

My thoughts after viewing the second episode:

- You can tell Sutter really needs the popularity of SoA to be this show's hingepin.  I know SoA and Mayans interacted, but with Gemma's cameo in the pilot and now Chucky (whom the actor only ever got a part, albiet useless one, because he's Sutter's friend) it's clear that he may spend the first season with SoA-verse dropping into the show to keep die-hard SoA fans watching before he starts to pull back and let the Mayans characters stand on their own.

- Other than Coco (who, IMO, is shaping up to be the Mayans 'Tig') I find the rest of the members eh.  Bishop (who tries to come across like a tough president, but is overshadowed by Alvarez' Il Padrino,) is NO Clay.  EZ is no Jax.  Taza looks like he could be the Bobby of the group.  Angel is meh.  The rest....Gilly, Hank and.....whoever.  I know I'm still learning their names, but even after the pilot of SoA, the members really stood out individually.  It's more plot heavy than character-centric, but it I want to care about these guys, I'd like for them to pace the drama/cartel stuff, etc. better

- Emily.  I found her character to be more compelling this episode, however the actress looks like she could pass as a 16 year old cheerleader.

- Any and all scenes with EJO are fantastic.  Him conversing with his dead wife really got to me.

- Miguel.  A little bit more background on him and his family.  Cornell graduate.  In-house consigliere trying to keep him on daddy's path.  Mother keeping secrets about his older brother who was kidnapped as a baby.  Again, a lot being thrown at me which was one of Sutter's problems, especially in later seasons of SoA when he couldn't keep the episodes to an hour and had to run over.  But back to Miguel - maybe it's his youth, but I'm having a hard time to buy into him as a force to be reckoned with.  The torture scenes 'on the pew' aren't really necessary - especially after that guy getting his arm chopped off last episode.  And now pouring hot oil on some guys' face then threatening to do the same to his 10 year old son?  Really??? I get it, Miguel - you're a bad ass so I don't need to be reminded just how dispicable your ways of extracting intel are.  And dress appropriately for such scenes rather than putting a raincoat over your designer duds, ala the Boxcutter episode of Breaking Bad.  You are no Gus Fring!

- Back to Coco.  I like him.  I really like him.  The actor pulled off hiding how he was really processing the information about finding out his younger sister may be involved in porn.  He puts a club face on around his brothers, but deals differently when no one is looking.  He works in the scrap yard and his mom's a hooker!  So far a good two-dimensional character

- To expound what I said above about Bishop - if I'm going to buy him as a tough leader of this charter, then they need to back Alvarez off.

- Not much to say about EZ.  His '....and Emily?" to Miguel seemed way out of place - and out of line.  What happened to the 'only speak when spoken to' rule he broke that got him punched last week?  Yeah, he rides flank in the formation, digs ditches and washes bikes, but I feel he's being given too much of a pass for his prospect position. Half Sack was scrubbing toilets and sawing deer out of windshields!  Oh, and EZ has a Mike Ross from Suits memory.  I wonder if that ability is what helped him get into Stanford and, of course, I want to find out how it all unraveled

- I was waiting.....waiting during the scene between Emily and EZ for him to bring up their baby and what happened.  Did Emily abort?  Give up for adoption?  Anything?  Bueller?

- Pure speculation here, but I have a feeling about Miguel's mother and the consigliere - that something may have gone on between them in the past.  That maybe he's the real father of Miguel's brother (Cristo....something) who was kidnapped.

- Finally - This coup against the cartel/club led by Alita is not interesting me one bit.  I think they introduced this plot way too fast.  Something like this may have been more believable for later seasons, not the pilot.  I want to see the unity and brotherhood of these guys and already dissension has been introduced.

[Ottis]

On 9/12/2018 at 12:11 AM, magdalene said:

If the show is trying to make me feel any sympathy and compassion for the cartel boss, his wife, his family - it is not succeeding.  The cartel kills and tortures countless innocents. They are the devil and I have no sympathy for the devil.  EZ' ex knew who she was getting with and she knows who she is married to.  Neither she or her scum bag husband in a designer suit deserve any blessing, or peace or happiness.  Of course now she is trying to batten her eyelashes at EZ.

Coco grew on me this episode, he is a unique character.

 

She is the worst kind of Villain spouse ... she happily enjoys the benefits of the evil, but pretends like it doesn’t exist by compartmentalizing it. So yeah, I don’t care about her, or him, or the baby. Sorry, baby! 

This show is OK. Lots of odd things, like EZ spouting off to the Galindo guy. But for lightweight TV, it’s OK. And it has EJO.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Ottis

[vadare]

Just finished watching both episodes and I'm all in!

On 9/4/2018 at 11:37 PM, SuzieQ said:

the love of his life is married to the king of the cartel.  Have to admit I did not see that coming. 

Nor did I and when I saw it, I about lost it! Niiiiice move there, KS!

 

On 9/4/2018 at 11:37 PM, SuzieQ said:

Gemma!!  OMG!  That freaked me out!   But if it was 8 years ago, the timing makes sense.

Me too! I knew it was 8 years ago, but it was still haunting to see her.

And yes, EJO alone will keep me in for awhile at least.

My mother grew up on a hog farm. She said the line about not using spines is true for hogs as well.

Loving this!! A lot!

And I already have a prediction, but I will hide it as if it were a spoiler:  

Spoiler

When the DEA agent said to EZ "I'm the only chance you have" or something like that, I instantly said to myself, "The DEA agent is crooked."

That's all for now!

[vadare]

Okay, KS, you get no points for subtlety when your bad guy drug cartel dealer's name is Michael...oops, I mean Miguel. What are you going to tell us next, his father came to America as a child after he watched some local mob boss kill his mother and he built this empire out of nothing? He even has the blonde white wife (I so badly wanted to call her Kay).  All we're missing are the oranges and horse's head.

On 9/12/2018 at 2:30 AM, 1 who Knocks-Nuihc said:

Chucky from SOA shows up. With mangled hands and all

I know...I squeeled! Wonder if he still has the Vespa he escaped Charming on.

I'm still curious about the relationship between the Mayans and the woman running the dog pound/dry-out clinic. If the Mayans were running heroin before they hooked up with Michael/Miguel, then why would they not only support her having this dry-out clinic, but donate to the running of it? To assauge their guilt? If they feel guilty about running heroin, don't fucking run heroin. Do what the SOA did...switch to guns and/or pussy.

And, as much as I have every reason to dislike Emily intensly, I personally feel chemistry between she and EZ. You can tell EZ still loves her and she feels something for him...don't know what it is yet. When EZ told Emily that he would make sure nothing happened to her son, it seemed to me that he either had to stop himself from saying "our son" or something like "unlike the care you showed for my kid." (BTW, I'm still holding out that she didn't abort EZ's kid...she put it up for adoption...but please God, don't let that lead to SOA Season 4/2.0).

I think I may have to ride this one out, but my biggest fear is that KS is going to blow his wad in the first few seasons and want to keep ramming it in long after he should have just rolled over. So, if KS is reading this board, don't stretch this out too long. Better if it's short, sweet, and memorable. 

[SuzieQ]

10 hours ago, vadare said:

 

I think I may have to ride this one out, but my biggest fear is that KS is going to blow his wad in the first few seasons and want to keep ramming it in long after he should have just rolled over. So, if KS is reading this board, don't stretch this out too long. Better if it's short, sweet, and memorable. 

So true! Just like SOA!  It really should have ended after S4 or 5.  The last 2 seasons were just a let down to a once great show. 

I think he needs to finish the story of the rebels, as well as what happened to EZ's baby and Miguel's brother.  3 seasons tops!

[thewhiteowl]

Alliances are tested. The Galindo family adopts unconventional methods.

[Raja]

What is unconventional for them,  getting the police and district attorney to handle their child's kidnapping?

[wovenloaf]

On 9/15/2018 at 11:58 AM, ctlady said:

- Not much to say about EZ.  His '....and Emily?" to Miguel seemed way out of place - and out of line.  What happened to the 'only speak when spoken to' rule he broke that got him punched last week?  Yeah, he rides flank in the formation, digs ditches and washes bikes, but I feel he's being given too much of a pass for his prospect position. Half Sack was scrubbing toilets and sawing deer out of windshields!  Oh, and EZ has a Mike Ross from Suits memory.  I wonder if that ability is what helped him get into Stanford and, of course, I want to find out how it all unraveled

Yeah I really expected that to be more of a problem... Miguel looked slightly taken aback by the question, but then just moved on.  Why would the random (as far as Miguel knows) Mayans prospect even know his wife's name, much less think he's entitled to ask about her?  I thought it was odd nothing came of that. 

[llewis823]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:58 AM, ctlady said:

Other than Coco (who, IMO, is shaping up to be the Mayans 'Tig')

I thought the same thing. and I think Tig was always my favorite.

On 9/15/2018 at 10:58 AM, ctlady said:

Any and all scenes with EJO are fantastic.  Him conversing with his dead wife really got to me.

Again, spot on. Just love him - one of the best actors out there - on this show or any other.

On 9/15/2018 at 10:58 AM, ctlady said:

- Finally - This coup against the cartel/club led by Alita is not interesting me one bit.  I think they introduced this plot way too fast.  Something like this may have been more believable for later seasons, not the pilot.  I want to see the unity and brotherhood of these guys and already dissension has been introduced.

Again, agree with you completely. So much to try to keep straight. I'd rather they have delved more into the character development  of the MC first.

Edited September 17, 2018 by llewis823

[Ottis]

On 9/15/2018 at 9:58 AM, ctlady said:

- You can tell Sutter really needs the popularity of SoA to be this show's hingepin.  I know SoA and Mayans interacted, but with Gemma's cameo in the pilot and now Chucky (whom the actor only ever got a part, albiet useless one, because he's Sutter's friend) it's clear that he may spend the first season with SoA-verse dropping into the show to keep die-hard SoA fans watching before he starts to pull back and let the Mayans characters stand on their own.

That seems harsh to me. I want Mayans to stand on its own as much as anyone, and have posted that, but it's in the same universe as SOA. We saw Mayans on SOA, Now we have seen two characters from SOA on Mayans, for maybe 20 seconds (Gemma) and a minute (Chucky). That doesn't seem to be an intentional effort to draw in viewers by resting on SOA characters.

What did strike me as weird is how normal Gemma and Chucky seem. I guess I'm still not over Jax's end. They should all be devastated, even if it is 2 years later!

On 9/15/2018 at 11:15 PM, vadare said:

And, as much as I have every reason to dislike Emily intensly, I personally feel chemistry between she and EZ.

Me, too. And just as clearly, there doesn't seem to be any chemistry between her and her cartel husband. makes me wonder why she got with him.

On 9/15/2018 at 11:15 PM, vadare said:

I think I may have to ride this one out, but my biggest fear is that KS is going to blow his wad in the first few seasons and want to keep ramming it in long after he should have just rolled over

OMG. Sutter could have written that line for one of his characters! Too funny.

[SuzieQ]

1 hour ago, Ottis said:

 

What did strike me as weird is how normal Gemma and Chucky seem. I guess I'm still not over Jax's end. They should all be devastated, even if it is 2 years later!

 

Gemma was a flashback that was 8 years earlier.  Not only was Jax alive, she might have even been visiting him.  The Chucky scenes were present day.

[sugarbaker design]

30 minutes ago, SuzieQ said:

Not only was Jax alive, she might have even been visiting him.

Right, the season that started with Jax with short hair...he and Clay were incarcerated.

[llewis823]

17 hours ago, SuzieQ said:

What did strike me as weird is how normal Gemma and Chucky seem. I guess I'm still not over Jax's end. They should all be devastated, even if it is 2 years later!

Not to mention, Gemma died before Jax. So she would not have been upset about his death. And of course, it was a flashback even so.

[SuzieQ]

11 hours ago, llewis823 said:

Not to mention, Gemma died before Jax. So she would not have been upset about his death. And of course, it was a flashback even so.

Your post shows you're quoting me, but I was responding to someone else who posted that.

[Ottis]

Yeah, thanks for the corrections. Clearly I don't recall my SOA endings. By then admittedly i wasn't paying much attention.

[Raja]

First and entire generation of Samoans get murdered and now a casino decides to host a murder. I'm out early on this crime family show

[Princess Consuela]

Well I enjoyed this episode.  Knew what I was getting into having watched Sons - not surprised by people getting killed each week.   

The Reyes family together at the end was lovely - hope we get more of that.  Also loved EZ holding the baby (still want to know about what happened to his kid)

Not surprised that EZ has a hidden stash of money - I'm guessing Felipe doesn't know about it?  Also loved Felipe telling the fed that he didnt need protection & can take care of himself.

Not sure about the boy that the rebels found by the burned bodies.  Wouldn't be surprised if he was a plant by Miguel or his crew.

Got a few more pieces on how EZ ended up in jail.  Wonder who the guy he was chasing was (something to do with Moms death?)  It does look like shooting the cop was an accident - be interesting to get more pieces to the puzzle.

[llewis823]

2 hours ago, Princess Consuela said:

Also loved EZ holding the baby (still want to know about what happened to his kid)

In one of the previous episodes, they showed Galindo's wife staring at a child across the street from where she was standing who would probably be the age of the child she would have had with EZ. Was that one of the rebel kids or was it their kid? (It was a super-short scene when she was getting into a car).

[marcee]

3 hours ago, Princess Consuela said:

Not sure about the boy that the rebels found by the burned bodies.  Wouldn't be surprised if he was a plant by Miguel or his crew.

 

He was absolutely a plant - they showed the slice along his palm. The kid Galindo "swore in" must have read in the rest of his kiddie crew.

[Raja]

1 hour ago, marcee said:

He was absolutely a plant - they showed the slice along his palm. The kid Galindo "swore in" must have read in the rest of his kiddie crew.

And it has remarkable spy skills, something out of a street Soviet Red Room training program.

[Princess Consuela]

2 hours ago, llewis823 said:

In one of the previous episodes, they showed Galindo's wife staring at a child across the street from where she was standing who would probably be the age of the child she would have had with EZ. Was that one of the rebel kids or was it their kid? (It was a super-short scene when she was getting into a car).

It was one of the rebel kids (although that doesn't mean it wasn't theirs)  I do kind of wonder if she lost their baby or maybe her parents forced her to give it up?  

1 hour ago, marcee said:

He was absolutely a plant - they showed the slice along his palm. The kid Galindo "swore in" must have read in the rest of his kiddie crew.

I saw him flip his hand over but totally missed the slice on the hand (the tv I was watching on was kind of dark)

Edited September 19, 2018 by Princess Consuela
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[SuzieQ]

Hoping I can post a link here.  The phone number on the card is a little sick twist from Sutter.

 

http://blog.bikerornot.com/calling-all-sons-of-anarchy-fans-did-you-catch-the-soa-easter-egg-in-mayans-m-c-episode-3/

[Shortstop]

I called the number, funny. Would hard core bikers really drink Miller Lite ?? No offense to Miller Lite but I just picture Budweiser as a tougher beer .

[SuzieQ]

1 hour ago, Shortstop said:

 Would hard core bikers really drink Miller Lite ?? No offense to Miller Lite but I just picture Budweiser as a tougher beer .

Miller Lite was what SOA drank too.  They probably pay a lot of money to have their beer featured on the show.

[Ottis]

How long does it take to clean up bodies in Mexico? A while, apparently. 

So Dita is Gemma, and Blondie is Jax’s wife, and Galindo is Jax, wanting to change his family’s business to legit. And EZ walks like Jax.

I still think the pres of the MC is an ahole, with a weak presence. 

Man, that casino was depressing. 

I love how EJO plays “harmless old man.” I knew at some point he would kick some ass. 

Less than zero interest or sympathy  for Emily. You benefited from that life, sometimes you end up paying for it. 

Oh, and was that the first instance of a Mayans show character saying, “I get that?” I used to count those on SOA.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Ottis

[tennisgurl]

The moment with EJO and his sons was really sweet. Then, of course, he starts kicking ass. Nobody skulks around Admiral Adamas house!

I am interested in Emily, and her relationship with her mother in law, and I love the actress, but I dont feel bad for her. Even if her husband wanted to internally reform some aspects of the cartel, we still know that he murders, tortures, and commits countless crimes ravaging his country, and she knows it. 

On the other hand, the baby is super cute, and I hope he makes it out alright. The rebels seem to bed taking care of him, maybe they can send him away? Probably better than him being raised to be a cartel boss.  

Oh shit, one of the Cartels spy kids got into the rebel camp! 

[magdalene]

They are spending too much time on Galindo, his wife and their "pain".  They should be in pain and their kid is better off without that mass-murdering fuck and that enabling and complicit bimbo he is married too.

That being said, I don't really care about the Mayans as a whole either.  They haven't fleshed out most of the MC.  At this point I am interested in the brothers, EJO character, Coco and the rebel leader.  And I have a bad feeling regarding the longevity of the rebel leader given the child mole in the camp.

[Dowel Jones]

I am rather surprised that the rebels didn't take more time to vet the young kid before welcoming him into the camp.  I realize that they don't see what the audience sees, but they should be naturally suspicious of anyone in that environment. 

[Raja]

47 minutes ago, Dowel Jones said:

I am rather surprised that the rebels didn't take more time to vet the young kid before welcoming him into the camp.  I realize that they don't see what the audience sees, but they should be naturally suspicious of anyone in that environment. 

How do you vet a child? But then again how does a child learn how to infiltrate a target and report back to his superiors?

[SHD]

Emily has an odd idea about what makes a good disguise.  Pretty much a hat, then? Yep, that should do it.

[vadare]

On 9/21/2018 at 8:59 PM, SHD said:

Emily has an odd idea about what makes a good disguise.  Pretty much a hat, then? Yep, that should do it.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly!

Really? You think tight jeans, blonde hair, sunglasses, and a baseball cap are going to disguise you somehow? Wearing all that was tantamount to wearing a neon sign saying, "Kidnap me please.'"

Liked that we got some more background on how EZ got here. It really does look like a mistake, but he did shoot a cop. No matter what happened, the cop is still dead.

Was EZ a baseball prospect? Was that how he got into Stanford? Well, that and his smarts apparently.

I liked that EZ wasn't the one to push for his split with Coco to be 50/50. EZ was counting the cards for fun more than for profit.

Like that EZ is storing away some money...planning for the future...assuming he has one at the end of all this.

In my post for the previous episode, I pointed out the glaring similarities between Miguel in this show and Michael Corleone. So Miguel wants to make the family legitimate, just like Michael did. (But of course most of us know how that turned out. The famous line from The Godfather is "just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." )

However, it looks like, in this case, the one pulling Miguel back in is his Consigliere. Nice spin there, KS. Props!

(And I wonder if 1. Alvarez has figured this out and 2, Consigliere knows Alvarez has figured this out.)

And the one character that is growing on me (and no one is more surprised than I am) is Miguel's Head of Security...he with the braids...I don't know why, but I like the guy.

And I do NOT like that, in order to finance the fight against the drug cartels, the Rebel Leader is resorting to...selling drugs.  Seriously?

SuzieQ-Thanks for sharing the Easter egg. Bwahahaha!

Can't wait for the next one! :-)

[thewhiteowl]

A new threat in Santo Padre presents new obstacles and opportunities.

[CrazyDog]

OK, I'm in for this show. I think the cast is pretty incredible. For me, the main downside to watching any Kurt Sutter show is that so many characters just destroy themselves by the end of the series. (I'm still not 100% over The Shield ending, just saying). 

I am liking the brothers and EJO, and I think EZ is a great lead. Angel is an interesting character in that he seems to have his own moral code within the framework of what the Mayans do. The dynamics can only get more intense since he shared his secret with EZ, but EZ is still hiding his whole deal with the fed. He's completely naive though if he thinks they won't go after the Mayans too.

I'm enjoying Coco too.

I was NOT expecting the shooting in the casino, but I had to laugh at the club leader mocking the reactions of the members. I like the Mayans leader, but physically he's not as intimidating as all the giant club members around him. He's on the shorter side and he doesn't necessarily come across as the leader of the group. 

Emily is actually kind of interesting. She does seem to love Miguel (and vice versa), but if the character is heading in some sort of future bad-ass direction, I'm not buying it. Everything about her just screams fragile. 

And yeah, nice "disguise" there in the square, Emily.

I like the rebel leader, which means she's going to die a horrible death soon. I HATE that Miguel has gotten his spies into the camp. UGH. I know some don't find Danny Pino believable as a cartel leader, but I think he's pretty creepy and intense, in a subtle way. Wearing the rain coat before was ugh.

On 9/19/2018 at 12:28 PM, SuzieQ said:

Hoping I can post a link here.  The phone number on the card is a little sick twist from Sutter.

 

http://blog.bikerornot.com/calling-all-sons-of-anarchy-fans-did-you-catch-the-soa-easter-egg-in-mayans-m-c-episode-3/

I admit I called the number, LOL. Super creepy and hilarious.

[Dowel Jones]

The plot is thickening, or at least the character stew is.  Coco isn't sure of where to go now in his plot to overthrow the management.  Plus, even if he does, he doesn't have the clout to run the club.

Another tunnel? I would have been scared shitless if I had been dropped into that thing at nighttime.  And who is Cole?  Is he partnered up with Mama Redneck?

I would have thought that the Mayans would have given up the rednecks to ICE immediately, as the feds have the resources to tail them at nighttime, and the absolute last thing that ICE would want would be a shooting war on the border.  They would be in the middle of it. 

So Papa Reyes is not Papa Reyes.  I was so hoping that, in his collection of young EJO photos, he would have one of himself and Sonny Crockett.

Galindo is one sick bastard.  Killing that nun and trying to pin it on the rebels. I really don't think that would work.   If anything, that is going to help turn Emily against him. 

[magdalene]

After seeing that poor nun I am dreading what Galindo is going to do to the rebel leader.  He and Emily make my skin crawl. I know Sutter is not going to kill them off, but boy, do I wish he would.

Coco is a daddy! Yes, this is going to go well.

They are fleshing out the character of EZ' handler, which I like.  And it looks like EJO is getting some very intriguing stuff to play.

I am not usually this blood thirsty but somebody should give Galindo a taste of his own medicine.

[vadare]

Random Observations from last night's episode (that I recorded and watched today):

Hey KS, we got the point with the Confederate Flag hanging from the house...did you have to put the picture of Robert E. Lee up in the house? Seriously?

I am wondering if killing the nun was part and parcel of Emily's plan or did Miguel throw that in for good measure?

Re: the conversation Dita (?) had with Emily...am I crazy, or did Gemma have a similar conversation with Tara?

I am also interested in the fleshing out of EZ's handler. So apparently they are second cousins? Okay. Did he throw up because he didn't like threatening a relative or he knows that EJO is a major bad-ass and he's afraid he's going to seek revenge later?

Oh...and is that EJO's tattoo or did they draw that on for the show?

Poor Coco! He was right, his daughter should have been given up for adoption. And that is one cold bitch of a mother to tell her daughter/granddaughter that way.

And yes, I also like that EJO is going to get a much meatier role (pun intended). Hey...one of the pictures he was looking at...was the other guy in the picture Miguel's consigliere?

I think I need more on EZ's handler's boss instead of him just being the mustache-twirling bad guy.

Okay...did anyone else notice that all of the dead guys in the white trash house were sitting? I would think that The Shooter would shoot one person, then everyone else would jump him. But everyone was seated. That only makes sense if he killed them all, then stopped to prop them all up in the different seats...and why would anyone bother to do that?

Okay...this one felt like a set-up episode, but it still wasn't bad.

Oh...and in case anyone was still wondering, EZ is still hopelessly in love with Emily.

[sunshine2288]

I wonder who's really running the Galindo cartel, Miguel or the uncle? And I'm guessing if Emily continues to have opinions she'll be deemed a threat by the uncle.

And I can't help feeling like the pacing is still off. What we needed was more backstory, which I'm glad we're getting. What wasn't needed yet was the new threat from the fatigue guy.

I've tried my best not to compare to SOA and for the most part I'm doing well but the one thing I feel is missing is the bond of the club. Finding out there are "traitors" in the group wasn't as big of a deal as it could have been because I don't believe their investment in each other. I don't see the brothers till death thing I thought was supposed to be the point.

[vadare]

9 hours ago, sunshine2288 said:

I wonder who's really running the Galindo cartel, Miguel or the uncle? And I'm guessing if Emily continues to have opinions she'll be deemed a threat by the uncle.

ITA with both of these. That uncle...he's a shifty one. (Oh, and perhaps Miguel didn't authorize the hit on the nun...perhaps the uncle did?)

9 hours ago, sunshine2288 said:

I've tried my best not to compare to SOA and for the most part I'm doing well but the one thing I feel is missing is the bond of the club. Finding out there are "traitors" in the group wasn't as big of a deal as it could have been because I don't believe their investment in each other. I don't see the brothers till death thing I thought was supposed to be the point.

I have as well, but here I go.

On SOA, we found out rather early that the club was formed from the "Original 9" who had all served in the military together in Vietnam, so you could extrapolate that the "Band of Brothers" concept was carried over into the club. We have no such back story on the Mayans, so we don't have the same "brotherhood" feel.

Did I miss it, or have we heard why was this club formed in the first place? Was it formed with the best of intentions but then they lost their way and decided "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" so now they're running drugs or was drug running always their intention?

Of course, as usual, YMMV.

[No 2 in our Hearts]

10 hours ago, sunshine2288 said:

And I can't help feeling like the pacing is still off. What we needed was more backstory, which I'm glad we're getting. What wasn't needed yet was the new threat from the fatigue guy.

I've tried my best not to compare to SOA and for the most part I'm doing well but the one thing I feel is missing is the bond of the club. Finding out there are "traitors" in the group wasn't as big of a deal as it could have been because I don't believe their investment in each other. I don't see the brothers till death thing I thought was supposed to be the point.

Exactly, I can't say I care about the MC fracturing because I hardly know them. SoA planted the seeds of the conflict to come during the pilot but it still spent a decent enough time with character development and world building before lighting that match.  With Mayans it feels less like I'm watching season one of a brand new storyline, and more like I've jumped into season three or four of a show I've never seen before.