Catelynn (and Tyler)

[wrestlesflamingos]

In case you haven't heard her say is 500 times, Debra is a christian woman.

[NikSac]

Thanks to Catelynn and Tyler and their childish behavior regarding open adoption, some fans posted that they will never have an open adoption if the bio parents are going to act like that.

 

I wonder if closed adoptions will become more popular again, "thanks" to C&Ts behavior. I've known of several situations where that would've been the better choice but the adoptive parents were scared they wouldn't get a child if they stuck with closed.

[Elizabeth9]

I think Tyler pressured Catelynn into adoption. At least a little bit...

Edited April 28, 2015 by Elizabeth9

[Brooklynista]

I think Tyler pressured Catelynn into adoption. At least a little bit...

It was a LOT of bit. If I'm not misremembering he told her he wouldn't be with her if she didn't give Carly up. It seemed very strong armed to me.

[iwasish]

I've been thinking that maybe that is actually why they seem so regretful about the adoption lately.  I think they realize now that because of the MTV gravy train, they actually could've handled raising Carly (at least financially).  I don't agree, but they obviously think that a house and a couple cars suddenly puts them in a better position to have a child, even though they still lack education, ambition, and maturity.  In hindsight, they could've been in exactly the same place if they had kept Carly and been on the show.

 

As a side note, reason #243434808 why Carly is better off with B&T: She managed to escape a God-awful trendy name like Novalee Reign.

That name? Clearly these two have too much free time on their hands. Way too much free time.

[wrestlesflamingos]

Mod reminder: Novalee Reign rhymes with Novelty Fame.

[Darknight]

In case you haven't heard her say is 500 times, Debra is a christian woman.

Christian women have abortions. But seriously Farrah should've aborted along with a few others. Jenelle??? Cough. She's just so irresponsible and rude.

And Farrah comes from a christian home and does porn. Not really surprised.

[Tatum]

Farrah didn't keep Sophia to spite anyone. Farrah wanted an abortion and Debra said no. Once Farrah was strong armed into giving birth, there was never any discussion about adoption. There was a lot of debate back in the day that Farrah should have sought out the abortion without Debra. If I remember: Nebraska has some laws about minors and abortion, the nearest friendly state for a minor without consent was pretty far away.

I'm glad the world includes Sophia but Farrah was correct that she was not equipped to be a parent.

Just re watched Farrah's 16 and pregnant. Debra actually lobbied pretty hard for adoption. At first she said it would be the kindest thing to do for a baby, and when that didn't impress Farrah, she switched gears and said Farrah should be focused on herself at that age, not a baby. Farrah's only explanation for wanting to keep the baby was that the baby was hers. I never got much of a maternal vibe from Farrah so that really surprised me.

Back on topic- I think in the beginning of her pregnancy, Cate thought that adoption would be like the movie Juno- she would have the baby, have one good cry and then slip back into her old life, closer to Tyler than ever. I think at about 20 weeks it really hit her how much this was going to impact her for the rest of her life. Watching that episode again is heartbreaking as Cate cries to dawn and B&T that she doesn't always know she (Cate) will have a home so she certainly can't take on a baby. But I think Cate would have liked the opportunity to try under better circumstances. I don't think Tyler wanted to be a father at 16 under any circumstance.

[wrestlesflamingos]

Thanks Tatum, I stand corrected.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

Did anyone notice Tyler's bitchface when they were preparing to go on camera to announce Farrah's return?

 

Farrah's parents are assholes. No Farrah fan here but I really see where her issues began. 

 

April looked well and happy when Novalee was born. I hope it lasts a long time.

Edited April 28, 2015 by AmyFarrahFowler

[ghoulina]

Did anyone notice Tyler's bitchface when they were preparing to go on camera to announce Farrah's return?

 

No, but I'm not surprised. He was probably wishing they held out, then joined the cast later, so there would be some big, dramatic return. 

 

 

I did, however, notice his bitchface when Cate was telling Tyler's sister she was diagnosed with GD. I really do think he has major issues with her weight, but knows he will look like an ass on camera if he says too much about it.

[Brooklynista]

No, but I'm not surprised. He was probably wishing they held out, then joined the cast later, so there would be some big, dramatic return. 

 

 

I did, however, notice his bitchface when Cate was telling Tyler's sister she was diagnosed with GD. I really do think he has major issues with her weight, but knows he will look like an ass on camera if he says too much about it.

 

 

I'm sure Cate knows Tyler is not pleased w her weight.  Seems to me she has an inside joke with herself because we always see her plopping her pizza loving self  on his lap whenever he's in a chair.  He never looks thrilled about it.

[FozzyBear]

No, but I'm not surprised. He was probably wishing they held out, then joined the cast later, so there would be some big, dramatic return.

I did, however, notice his bitchface when Cate was telling Tyler's sister she was diagnosed with GD. I really do think he has major issues with her weight, but knows he will look like an ass on camera if he says too much about it.

Speaking of Tyler's sister. What the fuck was up with her? Was she drunk?

[ghoulina]

LOL, She was acting quite OTT. 

[snflower66]

Tyler posted a photo on Instagram today where he very obviously photoshopped Nova's eyes she's a pretty baby there was no reason to try and make her look better he's just a fame whore all the way around

[wrestlesflamingos]

This picture? https://instagram.com/p/2EaHp7Aj6l/?taken-by=tylerbaltierramtvI think it's just a very blue sky reflecting in her eyes not photoshop.

ugh, noticed the earrings. I know there's varying opinions and cultural norms, pierced ears on a baby really aren't my thing.

[FozzyBear]

This picture? https://instagram.com/p/2EaHp7Aj6l/?taken-by=tylerbaltierramtvI think it's just a very blue sky reflecting in her eyes not photoshop.

ugh, noticed the earrings. I know there's varying opinions and cultural norms, pierced ears on a baby really aren't my thing.

Ehh, I grew up in a Hispanic area so earrings on a baby aren't that odd to me. Is it stranger than a 6 year old? 10? 13? 15? I predict far worse in Novalee's future.

[zenme]

Not surprisingly, she kinda looks like Carly.

[Tatum]

This picture? https://instagram.com/p/2EaHp7Aj6l/?taken-by=tylerbaltierramtvI think it's just a very blue sky reflecting in her eyes not photoshop.

ugh, noticed the earrings. I know there's varying opinions and cultural norms, pierced ears on a baby really aren't my thing.

 

That's a very pretty baby. Those are some serious blue eyes in that pic. I'm jealous. I don't care much for earrings on babies either. I see it quite a bit though, across the board as far as regions, ethnicity, religions, etc. go.

[ghoulina]

What a weirdo. Why would you want to change the way your baby's eyes look? It's so obviously unnatural. 

 

REALLY not a fan of piercing a child's ears until they ask for it, as it is their body and all. But it is pretty darn common.

[wrestlesflamingos]

It's totally a personal choice to piece a child's ears. I think I may have derailed us by sharing that thought. Lets ignore me, k?

[DoctorWhovian]

Tootie? Really? Novalee Reign wasn't a bad enough name?

[wrestlesflamingos]

I like to think they're fans of The Facts of Life.

[Brooklynista]

Sometimes I wonder how Tyler would do in the dating world.  He's never really had to test the prowess he thinks he has.  I'm curious how he would fare on the open market against a Ryan (yes gawd!) or a Love Cloud like  Gary Shirley. 

 

I would love to know how tight his game is and if he could even pull the kind of girl he thinks Catelynn should be.  I'm afraid lil Ty Ty would find out he's not the hot stuff he thinks he is.  Superstar shades or not.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Brooklynista

[wrestlesflamingos]

I think Tyler is well aware of his market value. If he really thought he could trade up, I think he would. He stays with Cate because he's already broken her in and trained her to react to his controls.

I don't think Tyler really wants a bad bitch. He wants a follower. I'm not even convinced her cares about her weight as much as he cares about holding power. I don't think he'd be more attracted to her if she was in Farrah's body, he'd find another way to subordinate her.

It reads deeply insecure to me.

[Tatum]

 

I would love to know how tight his game is and if he could even pull the kind of girl he thinks Catelynn should be.  I'm afraid lil Ty Ty would find out he's not the hot stuff he thinks he is.  Superstar shades or not.

 

He might do all right in the local dating market though. It's really not hard to find a cute, thin girl with low enough self esteem to be impressed with what Ty Ty is selling. I've been around the bar scene enough in my early 20s to gauge about how well someone of his caliber would do. Also, what he would go for- he's not going to hit on a girl once he finds out she's a CPA or an engineer or anything requiring higher education, a good salary, and an ability to see through his bullshit.

 

I don't think Tyler is a good boyfriend, but I also don't think he's with Cate solely because he thinks he can't do better, or even because he's worried about pissing off his "fans". I think the guy's emotionally stunted at 16, and will always feel some sort of tie to Catelynn. But I bet it's always an unspoken threat between them that he "could" get better if Cate doesn't toe the line.

[evilmindatwork]

 

I don't think Tyler is a good boyfriend, but I also don't think he's with Cate solely because he thinks he can't do better, or even because he's worried about pissing off his "fans". I think the guy's emotionally stunted at 16, and will always feel some sort of tie to Catelynn. But I bet it's always an unspoken threat between them that he "could" get better if Cate doesn't toe the line.

 

I just think they've been together since they were babies and they grew horizontally towards each other (not a pun) instead of vertically individually-- don't know if this makes sense on paper but it does in my head.

 

I met my not yet ex- husband at 18 and we are now in the process splitting as I am turning 28.  I held on so tight to him even when I felt like I deserved better than how he was treating me. He was really reluctant to break us up even though he was super restless in our marriage. I am in my second year at a highly ranked law school -- capable of earning my own money, worked at a great job before going back  to school, and have a very supportive family-- but it is still heart-wrenching.  We don't even have kids or assets together.  I think it's because I  met him at such a young age and met a lot of milestones with him that I otherwise would have met by myself.  

 

I can't imagine how difficult it must be for Catelynn, who I am sure knows that Tyler probably doesn't love her the way she deserves to be loved, because I am quite she feels like he's the only good thing she's ever had in her life.  Tyler probably can't even imagine a life without her even if the life he has isn't completely what he wants.  Their past, giving up Carly for adoption, and the new baby is probably going to hold them together until one has a real mid-life crisis. I have so much sympathy for them (Cate more than Tyler) but obviously I am projecting. I just think it's so hard to leave someone that you grew up with because in many cases you don't feel like a whole person on your own. 

Edited May 1, 2015 by evilmindatwork

[poopchute]

They don't even seem like they are in love to me.  They just seem like they have been together so long so they are going through the motions of what should happen next.  Like, okay now let's have a baby together.  But they don't even seem like they are into each other.  I know we don't see everything.  But they just seem so blah together.  I just don't think that in most cases, you should spend your whole life with the person you date when you are thirteen.  I know people here will cite examples of their own relationships or people they know who started dating when they were 13 and they are still happy now.  But I think in more cases than not, it's just not meant to be.  But these two will never break up.  They have no idea how to function without each other.  I think it's pretty sad for them to stay together just because they don't know what else to do.

[msblossom]

I just think they've been together since they were babies and they grew horizontally towards each other (not a pun) instead of vertically individually-- don't know if this makes sense on paper but it does in my head.

 

I met my not yet ex- husband at 18 and we are now in the process splitting as I am turning 28.  I held on so tight to him even when I felt like I deserved better than how he was treating me. He was really reluctant to break us up even though he was super restless in our marriage. I am in my second year at a highly ranked law school, -- capable of earning my own money, and worked at a great job before going back  to school, and have a very supportive family-- but it is still heart-wrenching.  We don't even have kids or assets together.  I think it's because I  met him at such a young age and met a lot of milestones with him that I otherwise would have met by myself.  

 

I can't imagine how difficult it must be for Catelynn, who I am sure knows that Tyler probably doesn't love her the way she deserves to be loved, because I am quite she feels like he's the only good thing she's ever had in her life.  Tyler probably can't even imagine a life without her even if the life he has isn't completely what he wants.  Their past, giving up Carly for adoption, and the new baby is probably going to hold them together until one has a real mid-life crisis. I have so much sympathy for them (Cate more than Tyler) but obviously I am projecting. I just think it's so hard to leave someone that you grew up with because in many cases you don't feel like a whole person on your own.

I think you make a great point, which is why I always wanted to see Cate go to college or a trade school -- something separate from Tyler so she could have her own unique experiences apart from him. I wanted to see her experience and be challenged to learn something new and make new and interesting friends and acquaintances. I wanted to see her gaining confidence from an experience completely away from Tyler. It's not too late for that; I just hope that she doesn't isolate herself further as a SAHM and continue to make her world all about Tyler, and now the baby.

I really care much less about Tyler at this point, he's a punk that thinks he's SOMEBODY. I would be surprised if he's still taking classes a year from now. We know he enrolled for college, but does anyone know if he followed through and if so, is he still taking classes? I would love to be wrong and see him accomplish something that he can get excited about and succeed at that has nothing to do with MTV or trying to be relevant and famous. But that would take maturity and wisdom on his part, so I'm pretty sceptical.

[Brooklynista]

God help Catelynn if Tyler somehow finishes even a single semester.  He already thinks he's doing her a favor by being with her.  If he finishes a single class, I have no doubt he would lord that over her and push her self esteem even further down. Oh he'd really be Big Swinging Ty Ty Big Man on Campus if that happened.  Then he'd want a woman who was educated like him.  Worldly like him. As if he's not obnoxious enough now.

 

It'd be one more hurdle for Cate to jump for her wedding.

Edited April 30, 2015 by Brooklynista

[gunderda]

I'd like to hear them explain to Carly ( if she even cares) why they put her up for adoption due to their circumstances but kept her sister 6 yrs later despite being in virtually the same circumstances. ( except for the MTV money!!)

 

Well there's a very good reason - they are not anywhere near in the same circumstances - when they had Carly they were not financially stable and they were kids.  Now they can comfortably provide for themselves and of a decent age to have a child.  Whether they sit on their ass or do whatever, they are comfortable.  They own a home, a pretty decent one and can provide for their 2nd child.  If they kept Carly they no doubt would likely go down the same path as Butch and Catelyn's mom and probably renting a trailer or living with their parents.  They can regret it all they want but if they wouldn't have given up Carly I highly doubt they would have continued on to Teen Mom status. 

[msblossom]

Well there's a very good reason - they are not anywhere near in the same circumstances - when they had Carly they were not financially stable and they were kids.  Now they can comfortably provide for themselves and of a decent age to have a child.  Whether they sit on their ass or do whatever, they are comfortable.  They own a home, a pretty decent one and can provide for their 2nd child.  If they kept Carly they no doubt would likely go down the same path as Butch and Catelyn's mom and probably renting a trailer or living with their parents.  They can regret it all they want but if they wouldn't have given up Carly I highly doubt they would have continued on to Teen Mom status.

Right bc they wouldn't have been on Teen Mom/16 & P at all bc it was Dawn, their adoption counselor at Bethany, who told Cate that MTV was creating a show about pregnant teenagers and they were looking for a girl who was putting her baby up for adoption. Unless, of course, Cate and Tyler changed their mind at the last minute and decided to keep Carly.

[ghoulina]

They don't even seem like they are in love to me.  They just seem like they have been together so long so they are going through the motions of what should happen next.  Like, okay now let's have a baby together.  But they don't even seem like they are into each other.  I know we don't see everything.  But they just seem so blah together.  I just don't think that in most cases, you should spend your whole life with the person you date when you are thirteen.  I know people here will cite examples of their own relationships or people they know who started dating when they were 13 and they are still happy now.  But I think in more cases than not, it's just not meant to be.  But these two will never break up.  They have no idea how to function without each other.  I think it's pretty sad for them to stay together just because they don't know what else to do.

 

I agree. I don't think they are in love either. I think they LOVE each other, probably always will. But because they've really only dated one person, I don't think they know any better. I believe Cate is very clingy and doesn't think she could ever get anyone better than Tyler. And Tyler feels some sort of guilt-obligation to stay with Cate. 

[evilmindatwork]

 I am not sure that they're in love. But I understand why it's difficult to walk away, given the time they've spent together and the baggage they share. I am going through a similar thing and walking away from heavy history is really difficult. Ultimately the best thing either of them can probably do is leave, but I am empathetic to how overwhelming that must seem. 

Edited May 1, 2015 by evilmindatwork

[Elizabeth9]

I'm watching season 6 (TM 1 S 4) episode 7 and Catelynn and Tyler have an interesting dynamic. Cate is lamenting to her mom about how she doesn't like school and has put off registering until the last minute. Tyler rides her butt about it and says to his mom if she never decides to go to school, he will leave her. He mentioned feeling like her dad in encouraging (if you can call it that) her to go.

Lesson 1: Cate hates school and doesn't sound eager to go back, so who knows if she ever will. Lesson 2: Tyler is threatening to leave once again with his conditions (and he had a whole whopping one semester under his belt so it's not like he could say he has a degree but she doesn't.). Lesson 3: an odd scene where Tyler goes with his mom to the salon and tells the stylist what needs to be done to her hair, and the stylist does it. Tyler must like to control people.

[Howyougetthegirl91]

I believe Cate and Tyler stay together for all the wrong reasons. First , they are both used to each other. Second , Tyler , can boss Cate around ; which deep down he loves. If Cate had a backbone , or fixed herself up into the position where she could tell him where to go , he would have been old news by now. And Cate is clingy and does not want to be alone , so she has Tyler for that. Tyler IMHO is also a fame whore , and being with Cate provides him with an outlet for that. The cameras and etc. People always saying what a great boyfriend and father he is. Just IMO , I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler loves when the women comment him via social media on these things and he contacts them back and etc. He loves the attention he is getting. Very creepy. If this is how he treats her on camera , I shutter to think of him without it rolling.

[lexiexx]

Now they can comfortably provide for themselves and of a decent age to have a child.  Whether they sit on their ass or do whatever, they are comfortable.  They own a home, a pretty decent one and can provide for their 2nd child.  If they kept Carly they no doubt would likely go down the same path as Butch and Catelyn's mom and probably renting a trailer or living with their parents.  They can regret it all they want but if they wouldn't have given up Carly I highly doubt they would have continued on to Teen Mom status.

 

MTV followed them after they didn't even have the kid, when the whole show was about Teen Moms.   Of course they would have still had the show and money from it.   

[GreatKazu]

 

Well there's a very good reason - they are not anywhere near in the same circumstances - when they had Carly they were not financially stable and they were kids.  Now they can comfortably provide for themselves and of a decent age to have a child.  Whether they sit on their ass or do whatever, they are comfortable.  They own a home, a pretty decent one and can provide for their 2nd child.

Agree and disagree. I agree they were not financially secure during their 16 & Pregnant episode. 

 

C&T had no idea they would be continuing with a spin-off.

 

I disagree they are comfortable now. In their eyes they may feel they are, but in the long run, are they? They each have no job. They don't have an education to fall back on. Tyler is talking about school, but we shall see what comes of that. Cate is determined to stay at home. How are they going to continue to pay for the expenses that come with owning a home? I am assuming they paid for their home in full, because if they didn't, then they have a mortgage over their heads. What about the other expenses that come with having a child? Car expenses? Tyler's mom mentioned he has "cars" and how MTV ain't no career. She surely knows more about him than any of us and I don't think she would say such a thing if they were truly secure. That dude had FIVE YEARS to get his ass into school, but pissed it all away.  Tyler doesn't seem the kind to invest his  money or to keep it in the bank without the need to buy material things. I just don't get a good vibe about them when it comes to money. I see them as throwing it left and right with no concept of the realities.

[evilmindatwork]

She surely knows more about him than any of us and I don't think she would say such a thing if they were truly secure. That dude had FIVE YEARS to get his ass into school, but pissed it all away.  Tyler doesn't seem the kind to invest his  money or to keep it in the bank without the need to buy material things. I just don't get a good vibe about them when it comes to money. I see them as throwing it left and right with no concept of the realities.

 

It's pretty infuriating that they can't see past their MTV paycheck and secure their child's future. I am also sure that they've probably held on to the least amount of money because I bet they support members of their family (not knocking that in anyway). The thing is that I feel both Cate and Tyler would probably have been better off training themselves for a profession like Chelsea did instead of attempting to "go to college" generally. The guy who cuts my hair in Chicago owns his salon and drives a high end BMW, I know for a fact that he doesn't have a college degree but jumped right into his career. Heck, I am in law school at a top 15 school and I don't expect to be making 6 figures because I am going the public interest route. There's really nothing wrong with finding a profession and getting good at it, so many people are successful and make good money without incurring debt from college. Those kids had too many lofty goals but no practical way to reach them. 

 

I am actually disappointed with how all the Teen Mom kids (minus Chelsea who had guidance) used their MTV windfalls.  None of them seemed to use it productively. I guess at least they own their house and therefore won't be homeless but even that may be a liability considering the stability of their relationship. 

[Elizabeth9]

So I'm watching Season 6 (TM 1 S 4) Episode 10...Catelynn is delaying on registering for school. So she asks her idol Dawn what degree she should get. Dawn suggests social work. Oh no! CT were going for human services! How to rectify the problem? Don't go to college at all for a semester. Because now they need to figure out their exact degree. Don't just take science and math and writing- just skip an entire semester. This makes me wonder if Cate ever took any classes at all.

[zenme]

S

o I'm watching Season 6 (TM 1 S 4) Episode 10...Catelynn is delaying on registering for school. So she asks her idol Dawn what degree she should get. Dawn suggests social work. Oh no! CT were going for human services! How to rectify the problem? Don't go to college at all for a semester. Because now they need to figure out their exact degree. Don't just take science and math and writing- just skip an entire semester. This makes me wonder if Cate ever took any classes at all

 

Sounds like she's just finding any excuse not to attend.

[wrestlesflamingos]

I noticed Tyler once again rolled out the line "we wouldn't be together if we kept Carly" and Cate didn't flinch. Maybe she'll run off with Nova and find someone loving and kind.

[ghoulina]

I noticed that too! Wow. I mean, okay, look at the track record of the other relationships. Most teenage relationships, period, don't last - let alone ones you complicate by having a baby before the senior prom. So there's a good chance they really wouldn't have made it. But, does he need to keep reminding her of that? 

[wrestlesflamingos]

I think Tyler is starting to realize his poop does smell. He was so close to connecting that Teresa does not respond to him but she does respond to Cate. If only he would have noticed the letter was addressed "Dear Catelynn."

(I have no idea how to spell her full name, someone correct me please.)

[CaliforniaLove]

 

"we wouldn't be together if we kept Carly"

While that may be true, I think it would be a little more honest to say "we wouldn't be together if we hadn't been picked up for Teen Mom". Now that the 4th wall is down, tell the truth Ty!

[Elizabeth9]

During the Series Finale episode, CT revealed that BT gave them their address. (Home). Around the time of Carly's third b day.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

During the Series Finale episode, CT revealed that BT gave them their address. (Home). Around the time of Carly's third b day.

I have a feeling they will regret that. If they don't already.

Edited May 7, 2015 by AmyFarrahFowler

[NikSac]

I have a feeling they will regret that. If they don't already.

 

Wonder how long it'll be before Tyler flips out when they don't get enough "likes" or permission to post Carly videos then posts it on the Internet asking people to picket out in front of their house or something?  Eek.

 

ETA: I keep hoping Nova will distract him from pulling crap like this. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Edited May 7, 2015 by NikSac

[JocelynCavanaugh]

I'm finally catching up on these episodes, and good lord, Tyler is an obnoxious person. He's always been that way, but he's gotten a lot worse. There is no "having a conversation with Tyler." He pauses just long enough to make the other person think it's their turn to reply, then starts back even louder, saying the same thing he just said, but in an even more laborious, know-it-all way. He talks over everyone but never actually says anything. I could not spend ten minutes with him unless he were asleep. 

[brandyelf]

http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/tyler-baltierra-catelynn-lowell-weight-teen-mom-2015195

Tyler responds to fans saying he's too tough on Catelynn.