S13.E02: One Apology, Another Betrayal

[Taralightner]

4 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

But according to who? Kelly? Kelly has a stake in claiming that, she’s divorcing him for the second time and prob wants his money. I’ve only heard the narcissistic personality disorder discussed once, and it was kelly telling everyone about it. Kelly also said ‘look at him, he’s terrible, I can’t take him anymore’, as the camera pans to Michael just standing there, chatting with other guests at an event. Kelly’s main complaint last year was that Michael doesn’t like to go out and drink, that he has more in common with Kelly’s mother. 

It was discussed several times through the season (Tamra gossips about it) and on the reunion. There are court documents from their first divorce.  I remember people (not on the show episodes) pulling them up and they were quoted as it was then public record, but it’s not that important to me to find them. I REALLY DISLIKE Kelly, so I’m not, even a little bit, defending her. My point was about Vicki being the pot stirrer that she has always been. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Taralightner

[FamilyVan]

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Well, just to play devil’s advocate here, what if Vickie really liked Michael and thought of him as a friend herself? I myself never found him objectionable, and always thought kelly was gaslighting us into thinking a pretty innocuous guy was so horrible she just had to divorce him. And what if she is really a ride-or-die friend to the woman she set him up with? What if her true loyalty-not reality tv job loyalty-is to the friend, who may have been lonely for years?

All of that is fine, so then Vicki is their friend, not Kelly's, and then should just "own it", to use a trademark Housewives phrase, and say sorry Kelly I am really better friends with them.

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And kelly DID say she wanted him to date. So... I don’t know...I can see kelly being upset, but really, why? She doesn’t want Michael anymore. She threw him away. I can see kelly wanting Vickie to have given her a heads-up, but really, that screaming banshee that she turned into over this is a little over the top, no?

No.  Saying I hope he dates is not the same as saying I hope he meets someone via my friend and my friend can double with him and his new GF.  Yikes!  

 

And did Vicki set them up, did she not... Vicki can spin this however she wants.  But when someone askes them how did you two meet, the answer is we met courtesy of Vicki Gunvalson... IDK.

Edited July 27, 2018 by FamilyVan

[VedaPierce]

22 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

Vicki is the worst.  Sorry - I am totally with Kelly on this one!  What a horrible friend to do something like this.

So we understand that the following happened:

1) Vicki had a party where Michael was invited (?)

2) Kelly was NOT invited

3) Vicki invites single women friends that can potentially meet Michael

4) One of Vicki's friends clicks with Michael and they start dating

*** RED FLAG NUMBER ONE*** all of this has taken place and Kelly does not know, was not given a heads up from Vicki.

Here is where things get even worse:

6) Vicki and her guy Steve go on double dates with Michael and the new GF.

**RED FLAG NUMBER TWO**

This is HORRIBLE.  I do not care what Kelly said about hoping he moves on, hoping he gets a new GF, hating him for years, not wanting at all to stay married to him, trying to divorce him already once prior, it does not matter, you DO NOT do that when a friend gets divorced.  You do not stay friends and buddy up with her ex.  No, no, no, just no.  If a friend of mine did that to me when I got divorced, I would not be friends with them anymore.

This happened to Tamra, when she divorced Simpn Jeana was chummy with him.  Tamra didn't like it either.  It is just NOT OK in any stretch of imagination.  It's a sign of a shitty friend, and a woman who in general is NOT kind to other women.

For Vicki to be indignant and yelling "Stop it just stop it" in her scolding fishwife way to Kelly was gross.  Vicki is just a lousy person.

When you get divorced, you find out quickly who your real friends are.  Kelly - Vicki is not one of them.

Well, first of all, Vickie is The Worst. Correct. 

However, Gd forbid my best friends, who I love dearly, get divorced. I’m supposed to pick one over the other?! I love them both. Why am I a horrible person unless I pick one and never see the other again?? That’s horrible. That’s not me buddying up to the ex, that’s me still being a good friend to John and not dumping him just because he’s getting divorced. 

11 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

All of that is fine, so then Vicki is their friend, not Kelly's, and then should just "own it", to use a trademark Housewives phrase, and say sorry Kelly I am really better friends with them.

No.  Saying I hope he dates is not the same as saying I hope he meets someone via my friend and my friend can double with him and his new GF.  Yikes!  

I agree with you that Vickie should own it. And before filming. I think she should have let kelly know beforehand and not waited because this garbage always bubbles up to the surface. I just don’t believe Vickie is that close with kelly. Yes they are ‘friends’ on the show, but they really aren’t that close in my opinion. I wonder if they hang out when not filming...

Edited July 27, 2018 by VedaPierce

[VedaPierce]

11 minutes ago, Taralightner said:

It was discussed several times through the season (Tamra gossips about it) and on the reunion. There are court documents from their first divorce.  I remember people (not on the show episodes) pulling them up and they were quoted as it was then public record, but it’s not that important to me to find them. I REALLY DISLIKE Kelly, so I’m not, even a little bit, defending her. My point was about Vicki being the pot stirrer that she has always been. 

 

Im a pretty close follower of this board and a couple others and I have never seen any of that posted anywhere. That’s not to say it did not happen. Nor was any of it really unpacked on any reunion I can recal. Not the mental health disorder stuff. Maybe it was touched upon, again, Kelly said crap about it, but nothing concrete.  I feel like Michael got mistreated by kelly. She was always accusing him of being so awful, and none of it was ever shown. Her bad behavior was shown plenty, however. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by VedaPierce

[SuprSuprElevated]

Just now, VedaPierce said:

Im a pretty close follower of this board and a couple others and I have never seen any of that posted anywhere. That’s not to say it did not happen. Nor was any of it really unpacked on any reunion I can recal. Not the mental health disorder stuff. Maybe it was touched upon, again, Kelly said crap about it, but nothing concrete.  I feel like Michael got mistreated by kelly. She was always accusing him of being so awful, and none of it was ever shown. Her bad behavior was shown plenty, however. 

I kind of remember her (Kelly) using that term to describe him early in her RHO tenure.

[FamilyVan]

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However, Gd forbid my best friends, who I love dearly, get divorced. I’m supposed to pick one over the other?! I love them both. Why am I a horrible person unless I pick one and never see the other again?? That’s horrible. That’s not me buddying up to the ex, that’s me still being a good friend to John and not dumping him just because he’s getting divorced. 

It depends on how they are, was it amicable or not, what were the circumstances.  If your guy friend did something awful to the woman friend, would you really still feel the same about him?  I think it's actually worse that Kelly dislikes Michael so much.  Because she sees him as this despicable character that wronged her and no one should go near.  I think couples who are more like "things didn't work out but I wish him no harm", it goes a lot different.  

[VedaPierce]

5 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I kind of remember her (Kelly) using that term to describe him early in her RHO tenure.

Oh I definitely remember that as well, and then waited for it to unfold before me on camera, to catch a bit of it in action, but that never transpired. The guy held himself together pretty well. Kelly on the other hand, was a hot mess most of the time. 

2 minutes ago, FamilyVan said:

It depends on how they are, was it amicable or not, what were the circumstances.  If your guy friend did something awful to the woman friend, would you really still feel the same about him?  I think it's actually worse that Kelly dislikes Michael so much.  Because she sees him as this despicable character that wronged her and no one should go near.  I think couples who are more like "things didn't work out but I wish him no harm", it goes a lot different.  

You’re right. I buy that. And of course I wouldn’t still be friends with him if he hurt his wife. But most divorces-at least the ones I’m aware of- are just sad people, not being good together. 

Edited July 27, 2018 by VedaPierce

[Taralightner]

7 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Im a pretty close follower of this board and a couple others and I have never seen any of that posted anywhere. That’s not to say it did not happen. Nor was any of it really unpacked on any reunion I can recal. Not the mental health disorder stuff. Maybe it was touched upon, again, Kelly said crap about it, but nothing concrete.  I feel like Michael got mistreated by kelly. She was always accusing him of being so awful, and none of it was ever shown. Her bad behavior was shown plenty, however. 

This is the last I’m posting about this. They DID discuss it on the reunion. Tamra even questions Kelly because Tamra’s experience with Simon’s narcissism was different than what Kelly was describing. Kelly was asked if she was ordered to be tested, and she said something like, “only because I wasn’t in San Fran (where he lived at the time).  This answer made no sense to me, but then she said her results were “normal” which also made no sense to me. But, this was discussed. It was an issue and Vicki was involved in the during-the-season conversations as she and Kelly were BFFs most of the season (out of necessity).  

I know you feel that Michael was mistreated by Kelly... and I feel that he was, too (from what was shown on camera at that moment). I also believe that he’s not innocent either. Tamra couldn’t stand Kelly for most of that season. If she could have found something to make her look bad at the reunion, she would have. Instead, there are “receipts” out there showing that he has issues of his own. 

So we both agree about Kelly. I don’t care enough about either of them to start googling and proving anything. And, I really don’t care enough about THEM for it to become an issue with us. ?

[Mu Shu]

17 hours ago, HelloOutThere said:

Holy F Vicki’s outfit at that lunch looked like she was on her way to play Miss Hannigan in a low rent version of “Annie”!

Vicki wishes she looked that good.

[ghoulina]

34 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

However, Gd forbid my best friends, who I love dearly, get divorced. I’m supposed to pick one over the other?! I love them both. Why am I a horrible person unless I pick one and never see the other again?? That’s horrible. That’s not me buddying up to the ex, that’s me still being a good friend to John and not dumping him just because he’s getting divorced. 

okay, but ARE these Vicki's best friends? She's only known Kelly a few years. They did get closer fairly quickly, but I just don't see her being that close to Michael. This wasn't a case where she's known them as a couple for years and is equally close to both. She was hanging with Kelly and a lot and maybe interacting with Michael a bit here and there. It seems he and Steve became friends, so I get that that makes it awkward. But the double dates would be where I draw the line. I definitely think Vicki owes more loyalty to Kelly than to Michael, from everything I've seen. 

[SCS]

6 hours ago, Wicked said:

I don't think Vicki specifically set them up, they just met at a bbq at her house, but she should have let Kelly know once it moved on to double dates.  I also think the connection to Michael is more Steve than Vicki.  Steve perhaps is the one that invited Michael to the event in the first place.  Just the impression I got.  

This.

2 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Well, just to play devil’s advocate here, what if Vickie really liked Michael and thought of him as a friend herself? I myself never found him objectionable, and always thought kelly was gaslighting us into thinking a pretty innocuous guy was so horrible she just had to divorce him. And what if she is really a ride-or-die friend to the woman she set him up with? What if her true loyalty-not reality tv job loyalty-is to the friend, who may have been lonely for years? And kelly DID say she wanted him to date. So... I don’t know...I can see kelly being upset, but really, why? She doesn’t want Michael anymore. She threw him away. I can see kelly wanting Vickie to have given her a heads-up, but really, that screaming banshee that she turned into over this is a little over the top, no?

 

 

Also this!

[SCS]

2 hours ago, FamilyVan said:

 

This happened to Tamra, when she divorced Simpn Jeana was chummy with him.  Tamra didn't like it either.  It is just NOT OK in any stretch of imagination.  It's a sign of a shitty friend, and a woman who in general is NOT kind to other women.

 

But  Tams and Jeana never gave any impression of friendship even when they were both on the the show. Tams insulted Jeana multiple times about her weight ( a sensitive topic with Jeana) and Jeana responded with comments about Tamra being trash. Jeana had no reason to offer Tams loyalty, fake or not. I know Tamra has said Jeana supported her in the Sydney stuff, which may be hyperbole on Tams' part, ie, Jeana may have said she didn't agree with parental alienation and Tamra interpreting it as Jeana being on her side. Or something.

Edited July 27, 2018 by SCS

[SuprSuprElevated]

I understand girl code and all of that, and I don't really know what level of friendship Steve or Vicky had with Michael, but if people who become divorced (approx. 50% of the population) have to shed their friends in order to conform to this unwritten rule, then there would be a lot of friendless folks walking around.

Wait a minute...I may have just stumbled onto something.  Quick!  Get me an anthropologist on the phone!

Edited July 27, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[VedaPierce]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

okay, but ARE these Vicki's best friends? She's only known Kelly a few years. They did get closer fairly quickly, but I just don't see her being that close to Michael. This wasn't a case where she's known them as a couple for years and is equally close to both. She was hanging with Kelly and a lot and maybe interacting with Michael a bit here and there. It seems he and Steve became friends, so I get that that makes it awkward. But the double dates would be where I draw the line. I definitely think Vicki owes more loyalty to Kelly than to Michael, from everything I've seen. 

Yeah Vicki is shady as hell. She's actually thrown Kelly under the bus a couple of times. In Ireland, she was so happy they were sort of taking her back, she dumped Kelly immediately at the pub when Kelly started her nose-flicking crap. In the end, Vickie is loyal to no one. Not to Shannon, not to Tamra or Eddie, certainly not to Don. He was right when he called her a lying sack of dog shit on the boat season 4.

1 hour ago, SCS said:

But  Tams and Jeana never gave any impression of friendship even when they were both on the the show. Tams insulted Jeana multiple times about her weight ( a sensitive topic with Jeana) and Jeana responded with comments about Tamra being trash. Jeana had no reason to offer Tams loyalty, fake or not. I know Tamra has said Jeana supported her in the Sydney stuff, which may be hyperbole on Tams' part, ie, Jeana may have said she didn't agree with parental alienation and Tamra interpreting it as Jeana being on her side. Or something.

Also, I would ALWAYS side with Simon over evil Tamra. She is a vile creature, not exactly known for her kindness to women or being anything BUT a shitty friend. 

[SCS]

1 hour ago, VedaPierce said:

 

Also, I would ALWAYS side with Simon over evil Tamra. She is a vile creature, not exactly known for her kindness to women or being anything BUT a shitty friend. 

 

Ugh, and she (tearlessly) cries that all the fighting is bad for their children. A few months ago their was some issue with Simon not having a ticket to their son's graduation. He claimed Tams was keeping him from attending; she said that was not the case. Then she used #littleb*tch #bagofd*cks” in reference to her ex. Stay refined, Tamra, stay refined.

 

https://realityblurb.com/2018/05/10/tamra-judge-claims-she-did-offer-simon-barney-a-ticket-to-their-sons-graduation-but-says-hes-too-busy-insulting-spencer/

[TheFinalRose]

Just watched the episode and though I don't think Kelly's wailing and gnashing of teeth were an appropriate reaction for what actually went down, I'm Team Kelly on this one.  Vicki should have given Kelly a heads-up, along the lines of "Hey, you know how you said you wanted Michael to date? Well, I've got some gossip for you regarding that!" I totally get Kelly feeling betrayed by Vicki socializing with Michael without mentioning it.  Seems to me as if Vicki held back to create a storyline with Kelly because how convenient that someone (who?) JUST HAPPENED to text Kelly the info in the same hour that VIcki was arriving. I mean, in this day of easy texting, it's really weird that she didn't fill in Kelly.  I mean, I have friends who will rapid text me the minute they get gossipy news and I assume these Ho-wives do the same. So this is made up for drama.

I like the new girl, Gina, but no diaper-changing scenes please, ever. And the other new one, I was meh on her until I saw her performance at Cut Fitness and I liked her failed attempts at exercising. I just thought their dinner out scene was awkward and stiff and chalked it up to the fact that they are new at this reality tv stuff.  They came right out and said they weren't romantic.

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Still can't stand Tamballs but as an avowed house porn addict I am interested in how her reno turns out. I don't know how I feel about that gigantic banquette in the middle of the kitchen!

Isn't that what Meghan did in her kitchen renovation? What a copycat.

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This, and can they also have money?  This was supposed to be a look behind the gates of the extremely wealthy (or those living way beyond their means in order to appear wealthy).  The new chick lives in a tract home and is raising three toddlers.  Who the hell wants to watch that?

Bravo is just lazy right now. They should screen the houses first, then decide who gets cast. Also, I lived through the toddler stage and lost 58% of my working brain cells trying to keep my overly curious, impulsive little boy alive through those years. Seeing little boys with swords and jumping on furniture gives me PTSD. 

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lit candles on the bed with kids running around? 

Well, if her house burns down cuz of a fire her home insurance agency might object to paying out. Then there was the other shot of her little boy blowing out her scented candle. I NEVER had accessible lit candles going when I had little kids.

[chenoa333]

Tamra strongly resembles RoseAnne Barr. 

[HelloOutThere]

10 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

I just don’t believe Vickie is that close with kelly. Yes they are ‘friends’ on the show, but they really aren’t that close in my opinion. I wonder if they hang out when not filming...

I saw Vicki and Kelly out together at The Abbey here in LA last summer. It was just the two of them and they didn’t appear to be doing anything for the show, at least at The Abbey - seemed like they were hanging out as friends. They were taking shots while the sun was still up. 

 

But that was a lifetime ago in Bravo time. I think Vicki felt so empowered by being told she was “good” with Tamra - the TRUE queen bee of this crew - that she literally went directly to Kelly’s house and was a total bitch to her because she doesn’t need her anymore. Absolutely DISGUSTING behavior. I used to have a soft spot for Vicki and didn’t think she was THAT bad, but not anymore. Her exterior is getting uglier to match her insides. Meanwhile, Tamra looks incredible but is also rotten inside - queen bee she is, Tamra rules this game. 

[NYCFree]

4 hours ago, HelloOutThere said:

But that was a lifetime ago in Bravo time. I think Vicki felt so empowered by being told she was “good” with Tamra - the TRUE queen bee of this crew - that she literally went directly to Kelly’s house and was a total bitch to her because she doesn’t need her anymore. Absolutely DISGUSTING behavior. I used to have a soft spot for Vicki and didn’t think she was THAT bad, but not anymore. Her exterior is getting uglier to match her insides. Meanwhile, Tamra looks incredible but is also rotten inside - queen bee she is, Tamra rules this game. 

Totally agree. As soon as there was the first flare up between Kelly and Vicky, my 16 year old piped up “Vicky doesn’t need Kelly anymore.” 

Vicky and Kelly bother me in different ways. Vicky is a soulless narcissist and I have enough of narcissism in the daily headlines. Kelly just strikes me as immature and rather stupid. The nose flicking thing mentioned above is just one such example. It makes me feel horrible about myself that I would watch someone be so juvenile. I should probably feel that way over the back stabbing gossiping etc., but only the really childish behavior gets to me *shrug*.

[SuprSuprElevated]

5 hours ago, HelloOutThere said:

I used to have a soft spot for Vicki

I still have a soft spot for Vicky.  I'm sitting on it right now.

Edited July 28, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[CatMomma]

18 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I understand girl code and all of that, and I don't really know what level of friendship Steve or Vicky had with Michael, but if people who become divorced (approx. 50% of the population) have to shed their friends in order to conform to this unwritten rule, then there would be a lot of friendless folks walking around.

Wait a minute...I may have just stumbled onto something.  Quick!  Get me an anthropologist on the phone!

I look at it this way.  I am sure Tamra became close to Donn during her tenure on the show. Probably closer than Steve and Vicki were with Michael. Can you imagine Vicki's reaction if Tamra and Eddie set him up with someone,  and then proceeded to go on double dates with him? Not only that,  but not even telling Vicki? That's Vicki's problem.  She absolutely CANNOT see how her actions might affect other people.  She is always the victim. Always. 

[Reality police]

Can't get over how horribly Vicky treats her "friends". Evelyn is a much nicer person.

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Reality police said:

Can't get over how horribly Vicky treats her "friends". Evelyn is a much nicer person.

Who’s Evelyn?

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

Who’s Evelyn?

An international woman of mystery.

[Taralightner]

5 hours ago, CatMomma said:

I look at it this way.  I am sure Tamra became close to Donn during her tenure on the show. Probably closer than Steve and Vicki were with Michael. Can you imagine Vicki's reaction if Tamra and Eddie set him up with someone,  and then proceeded to go on double dates with him? Not only that,  but not even telling Vicki? That's Vicki's problem.  She absolutely CANNOT see how her actions might affect other people.  She is always the victim. Always. 

In Vicki’s world, “other people” are just extras in her own movie. Extras don’t have feelings... they are just there to move her story along. Even when she’s apologizing to one of those extra people, it always comes down to how the event affected her, and the apology’s purpose is to put her “scene” back up perfect again. 

[Ashlyc]

On 7/24/2018 at 3:53 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

The HW whose husband high tails it to North LA every week...that house looks like she ran thru Homegoods to furnish a house that they are renting for the show, everything looked too new and staged, lit candles on the bed with kids running around? 

Something is there, something is off but I cannot put my finger on it.

New HW attorney, that prom jewelry she wore to dinner with her husband looked like she borrowed it from Vicki's prom jewelry collection.  The dress looked painful to wear and it took a lot of concentration to keep in place.

Kelly's new place is nice, needs some updates but I'd be happy living there.  

Tamara's new house will probably be amazing but why do these women feel the need to get in to expensive properties, Bravo checks will end eventually.

Vicki and her tearful bible verse apology, haven't we've seen a lot of apologies over the years? Rinse and repeat.  Now cut to Vicki running the streets of some town screaming Andele, Andele!

I was waiting for someone to comment on those bed candles!!! Omg i have a three year old. I would never have flames any where he would be. He’s a tornado lol. It wa so staged. I’m sure she must have a nanny or something. I’m hoping her kids were clowning for the camera, they seem like a handful. But yes very staged feeling. 

[Ashlyc]

On 7/27/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheFinalRose said:

Just watched the episode and though I don't think Kelly's wailing and gnashing of teeth were an appropriate reaction for what actually went down, I'm Team Kelly on this one.  Vicki should have given Kelly a heads-up, along the lines of "Hey, you know how you said you wanted Michael to date? Well, I've got some gossip for you regarding that!" I totally get Kelly feeling betrayed by Vicki socializing with Michael without mentioning it.  Seems to me as if Vicki held back to create a storyline with Kelly because how convenient that someone (who?) JUST HAPPENED to text Kelly the info in the same hour that VIcki was arriving. I mean, in this day of easy texting, it's really weird that she didn't fill in Kelly.  I mean, I have friends who will rapid text me the minute they get gossipy news and I assume these Ho-wives do the same. So this is made up for drama.

I like the new girl, Gina, but no diaper-changing scenes please, ever. And the other new one, I was meh on her until I saw her performance at Cut Fitness and I liked her failed attempts at exercising. I just thought their dinner out scene was awkward and stiff and chalked it up to the fact that they are new at this reality tv stuff.  They came right out and said they weren't romantic.

Isn't that what Meghan did in her kitchen renovation? What a copycat.

Bravo is just lazy right now. They should screen the houses first, then decide who gets cast. Also, I lived through the toddler stage and lost 58% of my working brain cells trying to keep my overly curious, impulsive little boy alive through those years. Seeing little boys with swords and jumping on furniture gives me PTSD. 

Well, if her house burns down cuz of a fire her home insurance agency might object to paying out. Then there was the other shot of her little boy blowing out her scented candle. I NEVER had accessible lit candles going when I had little kids.

So much this! My three year old is so loving and gentle. Than other times I can’t look away for a moment! It’s eghuasting. 

 

She must not have them all the time like 100% stay at home with no help. Especially with no husband 5 days a week. Or it’s jusy staged to look pretty.

[Taralightner]

What do most little kids do on their parents bed? They JUMP on it. Seems pretty smart to put fire there. At least they can pretend they are jumping through fire just like they see on so many action movies/ tv shows and video games. I think it’s cool- gives them more of a realistic play space. Adds extra senses to their play as well. 

[sasha206]

On 7/24/2018 at 6:53 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

Tamara's new house will probably be amazing but why do these women feel the need to get in to expensive properties, Bravo checks will end eventually.

 

Agreed!  I loved the house they had!  It was actually one of my favorites of the housewives because while it wasn't some luxurious property, it felt bright and airy.

[sasha206]

I can't stand Vicki anymore either, but I don't really see the issue with her setting Michael up with anyone.  Kelly made it sound like she couldn't fucking stand him the entire series.  She wanted a divorce.  I suppose it would have been thoughtful for Vicki to check with Kelly first, but this isn't in the same boat as if Vicki had done set David up with a friend.  Shannon is mourning the loss of her marriage; Kelly isn't.

[mon berg]

I only just saw this episode and a few things stood out.

 

Eddies health I understand his view to a point about not wanting to stop doing what he loves but trust me having gone through medical issues if you are that bad you will stop because you dont have a choice he should already know he has to cut back if his heart rate is going as high as Tamara claims (his condition is not nice but life style changes need to be made)

 

Now on to Vicki why do these women continue to be friends with this women? if it is for the sake of the show then they could all get together to force her off so they will no longer have to deal with her.

 

Vicki is just a dumb person who has no common sense you can see it she keeps making same mistakes and doesn't really understand what she has done wrong yet has the cheek every time to bring up others mistakes like you need need to even the score also she needs to quit it with all this bible rubbish it's disrespectful to people that do have real faith.

 

Regarding her and the Kelly situation both are in the wrong Kelly was way over exaggerating if it is as Vicki said he went to one of the her bbq and met someone then Vicki partner who is friends with Kelly ex asked him out for them to have dinner there is nothing wrong with that the men all appear to get on with each other fine but you would think Vicki at some point would of mentioned to Kelly about it this what is strange she kept it very secretive (maybe that was because she knows Kelly is unstable or some other bad reason it is odd)

 

Watching this episode I noticed when some of the ladies was talking at the gym and one of the new cast mentioned her husband being away for work they all jumped on that like that's bad they wouldnt allow that so on well they are all insecure then if you have full trust in your partner what is the problem with them being away for work and I liked the reasons she gave about not disrupting her kids life which is a good valid reason also that she likes time by her self.

[SuprSuprElevated]

Married people commuting and being separated for work is not that rare.  Many, many people do it and do it successfully.  To assume that he is cheating on her because of it is being a bit narrow minded imo.  People cheat with their next door neighbors too.  Maybe everyone should just work at home.

[AnnA]

Whether it is odd or not for the newbie's husband to live closer to work during the week is debatable.     I've never heard of North LA but I'm not a California native.     I had an uncle who lived in Orange County and when I visited him didn't think  LA was  that far away to drive for work.    That said, someone already posted that they're getting divorced so their previous living arrangement makes more sense now.

Edited July 30, 2018 by AnnA

[ghoulina]

13 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Married people commuting and being separated for work is not that rare.  Many, many people do it and do it successfully.  To assume that he is cheating on her because of it is being a bit narrow minded imo.  People cheat with their next door neighbors too.  Maybe everyone should just work at home.

For me it's not JUST that he works in a different city. My husband works construction and there were many times when he'd have some prevailing wage job where he'd be out of town during the week and only home on weekends. I have friends who are married to truck drivers. Our old neighbor worked on pipelines and was almost NEVER home. The wife and son would travel to meet him once a month. There are all kinds of circumstances where families have different living arrangements and it works for some people. 

What I found odd was her lack of knowledge about the situation. She mentioned not knowing where exactly he lived, where he worked, etc. There just seemed to be some secrecy about his situation in the other city. THAT'S what raised red flags, for me. 

[TV Diva Queen]

I think that Vicki's beau and Leanne's of Dallas HW are the same person.  Both are boring AF, in relationships with the devil and are former cops.  

[ghoulina]

32 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I think that Vicki's beau and Leanne's of Dallas HW are the same person.  Both are boring AF, in relationships with the devil and are former cops.  

Except Vicki's guy was involved in some sort of corruption around running for office; and I don't think anything untoward has ever come out about Leeanne's beau. 

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I think that Vicki's beau and Leanne's of Dallas HW are the same person.  Both are boring AF, in relationships with the devil and are former cops.  

They resemble each other in looks, but I LOVE Leanne, and her fiance (?) - I HATE Vicki, and her boyfriend seems serpentine.

[jaync]

Yeah, there's some pinging with Emily's husband. Not like with Jimmy Edmonds, but the season is young.

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Vicki is a horrible waste of space.

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Vicki is disgusting still and always.

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Vicki is tha worst.

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Vicki is just a hot mess.

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Vicki is a repellent excuse for a human.

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Vicki is just scum.

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Vicki is such a classless skank.  

Yep.

[Mu Shu]

3 hours ago, jaync said:

Yeah, there's some pinging with Emily's husband. Not like with Jimmy Edmonds, but the season is young.

Yep.

Oh my god.  Your Vicki quotes are amazing. You curated the essence of her, odious as it is.

[AnnA]

4 hours ago, jaync said:

Yeah, there's some pinging with Emily's husband. Not like with Jimmy Edmonds, but the season is young.

Yep.

I love your Vicki Collection.

What  do you mean by "pinging?"

[Anne Thrax]

On 7/23/2018 at 10:13 PM, enchantingmonkey said:

Grilled Salmon Bowl.  Quinoa and Arugula Salad, Roasted Broccolini, Tomato, Gremolata.  $27.00

The fish tacos she was worried about falling down her dress are $18.00.  

What the fuck is gremolata?  Emily must be a horribly messy eater if she can't manage tacos without embarrassing herself.

[biakbiak]

33 minutes ago, Anne Thrax said:

What the fuck is gremolata?  E

Parsley, garlic and lemon zest finely chopped, it’s a common condiment in Italy.

[Anne Thrax]

On 7/30/2018 at 10:15 AM, jaync said:

Yeah, there's some pinging with Emily's husband. Not like with Jimmy Edmonds, but the season is young.

Yep.

^^^omg THIS times a freakin' thousand.

[lunastartron]

On 7/30/2018 at 2:23 PM, AnnA said:

I love your Vicki Collection.

What  do you mean by "pinging?"

Pinging gaydar.

[AnnA]

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

Pinging gaydar.

Thank you