S06.E23: Life Sentence

[formerlyfreedom]

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With a new ally on his team, Oliver engages Diaz in an epic final battle.

[RandomWatcher]

Now we know why Roy is returning next season

/Why is it so dusty in here?

[Jediknight]

Wow, no funeral for Quentin?  Screw you show, screw you.

[janeta]

So is the next season going to be Oliver-less? Is Amell doing something else?

[Sunshine]

Much ado about nothing?!

[mtlchick]

Well that...happened.  Where can I start writing my reboot where Diaz died and Cayden James was the big bad for the full season?  And that Quentin had a moment and realized Yanny--Laurel was not his real kid?  And NTA didn't exist?

YOU HAVE FAILED YOUR AUDIENCE. 

[KirkB]

Sorry Quentin.

Sorry Sara.

Really, Oliver? You couldn't mention this BEFORE she came to take you away?

Oh great. Mumbles is still around. Lovely.

[cambridgeguy]

You know, Tony Stark's reveal went a lot better.

Say, doesn't the POTUS owe the Green Arrow a favor since he helped save the world from an alien invasion?  If anyone deserves a pardon/commutation I'd say it's him.

And of course they kept Diaz alive for some damned reason.  I don't know why they think he's so awesome but seriously, they can do better than a guy with rocks in his mouth.

[mustbekarma]

Seriously, Diaz isn't dead and Oliver is arrested on federal charges? Quentin died and Sara is sad. This episode blows.

[calliope1975]

Beth. I am BEGGING you. Dispose of Diaz over the hiatus. Have him fall into a hole. Disappear like Thanos' snap.

DO NOT bring him back.

That was lackluster with shitty directing. I blame BS for all of this. Q wouldn't have been in Diaz's sight if not for his season long brain deadiness. Oliver wouldn't be in prison if not for her rash actions. Begone Yanny!

NTA can fork off even with their way too late apologies. 

Well. That's done.

[BunsenBurner]

Not sure I want to return for Season 7. MG is an ass and he showed his true colors.

[Soulfire]

We should have gotten a goodbye kiss or at least an I love you between Oliver and Felicity. 

As for the rest of the episode, I'm underwhelmed.

Edited May 18, 2018 by Soulfire

[ladylaw99]

Two words - HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT

[KenyaJ]

So that happened.

• Oliver sacrifices himself for a bunch of people who don't deserve it
• Quentin dies because he tried to safe a murdering POS
• Laurel is a failure in every incarnation, so . . .
• . . . Diaz lives to see another season and once again torment us with his marble mouth

JFC. That was shittastic.

[tennisgurl]

So, Diaz survives and is still running free, and Oliver is thanked for saving the city/world for the billionth time by being locked up in super-max with a ton of guys who want to kill him. Theres no justice in the Arrowverse apparently.  

[Primal Slayer]

This was a trashy ass finale. I am so sorry Beth that MG/WM left you picking up the pieces. 

After 6 years Paul Blackthorne got a shitty ass death! KCs was bad and I didnt think they could top themselves but somehow they did! I am truly amazed. Such a waste.

And what do we walk away with? Oliver outs to himself for "real" this time, how anyone can believe him is beyond me but ok. It just made the trial episode even more incompetent. You could skip the majority of that episode because it does nothing. Everyones hard work was for nothing.

How did this leave us knowing exactly where everyone would be for next year? Are they all just going to be stuck watching the tv? 

[calliope1975]

The more I think about it, the angrier I'm getting. That was straight up garbage.

[insomniadreams88]

They made the ending so obvious that I just didn't care about it? Obviously he's not in there for life.

Oh, Lance. Like I said, I miss when I liked Lance. BS was not his daughter. I'm pretty sure if I had taken shots every time someone said she was/wasn't his daughter in this episode, I'd be blackout drunk.

I was disappointed in the Olicity scene. No hug? No kiss? No "I love you"? Nothing? And really, Oliver, not telling your wife you've made a deal to go to prison? Especially when it means that she's now a single parent? Oh, he has so much to make up for when he gets out. 

Don't even get me started on Diaz still being around. 

[statsgirl]

Well MG read my list of what I want for s7

• Kill Diaz
• Don't out Oliver
• Quentin stops being stupid
• get move OTA and Black Siren on

Thanks, MG. You did the exact opposite of what I wanted.

I'm going to spend the hiatus in my Wish World where Diaz and every else is gone in the first 2 episodes it takes to bring Roy back.

Edited May 18, 2018 by statsgirl

[Guest]

TRASH. That was absolute trash.

The Olicity scene was emotional but I expected more. No kiss, no hug, no "I love you." Nothing. But sure, there was plenty of time for Dinah and Rene to get a pat on the back and an apology. THEY CAN CHOKE. 

Quentin had that death coming for how monumentally dumb he was most of the season. I felt nothing.

[jay741982]

7 minutes ago, janeta said:

So is the next season going to be Oliver-less? Is Amell doing something else?

Not at all 

[BkWurm1]

What a huge letdown.   I'd really gotten my hopes up that we were done with Diaz.  I'm more sad about his return than Quentin's death. 

And yes Oliver and Felicity had an emotional scene but no hug?  Nothing? All off screen? 

That whole episode was so underwhelming.  It's all been just to get Oliver in the Supermax so they can have him break out, isn't it?

I HATE that Oliver had to give up what he held most dear and the ones that held him most dear had to give him up in order to save the asses of all the ungrateful people around him.  This SUCKS.     

Edited May 18, 2018 by BkWurm1

[ladylaw99]

There was not enough wine to make this episode  good for me

[jay741982]

FUCK OFF WM and MG. You kept the worst POS Big Bad Alive? WTF

[BkWurm1]

4 minutes ago, ladylaw99 said:

There was not enough wine to make this episode  good for me

It wasn't even heartrending enough to make it painfully good.  It missed bringing home the emotional beats.  

STOP LETTING BAMFORD DIRECT BIG EPISODES

Edited May 18, 2018 by BkWurm1

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, BkWurm1 said:

It wasn't even heartrending enough to make it painfully good.

Right? Most of the time I was just like, "DIE ALREADY." I shouldn't be rooting for the good guys' death, lmao. 

[Starfish35]

Sooooo.....I got the impression following along in the live thread that Sara’s return was way overhyped and she didn’t even get a scene with her dad.  Y/N?  And please tell me she was not also drinking the crazy Kool-aid about BS being her “sister.”

[Mrs. de Winter]

The Lance family sucks* and ruins everything.  It would be nice to get a season without any Lance remnants to see how much it might improve the show.  

Diaz was not big bad enough for half an episode - let alone two seasons.  Here's hoping he and BS have a murder/suicide moment early in episode one to fix this mess.  

I hope Oliver never says I sorry to anyone on this show (Felicity/William/Roy excepted) again.  

NTA still needs to die - if you losers had been so selfish and pitiful this would not have happened.   You were the true big bads of the show this year.   I don't care if they solve cancer and bring world peace - they still need to die.  

I am glad to know MG and WM are gone - this was pure trash.  And if it wasn't on purpose then they suck as writers and show runners  - and I will skip anything they are attached to in the future.  

*Sara is fine on her own show - and in small just here visiting doses.  But she let me down by not snapping BS neck.  

Edited May 18, 2018 by Mrs. de Winter

[BunsenBurner]

I thought  everyone dying last season was stupid because I knew it wasn't true but this ending is their worst yet. 

I actually thought the scene between O and Lance was better than the one with he and F. 

IMO Diaz is the worst villain in the Arrowverse.

I am not going to comment further because at the moment I am so disappointed and disgusted. I can see in my mind MG laughing thinking and knowing he really f###ed the fans of Arrow.

[Sakura12]

So I watched this episode, was I supposed to be bored through most of it? Wasn't this the finale? Then I didn't even get a Sara and Quentin scene. It was wasted on Sara meeting her not sister, which I suppose I should be happy that she knew that. I liked that Oliver apologized to her.  

[ladylaw99]

I hate to say it but that Olicity scene was a let down, well acted, but rushed, I didn't even feel sad because Oliver didn't take 2 seconds to talk to Felicity b4 Watson arrested him, wth, I expected more and that's on me

[scarynikki12]

1 minute ago, Starfish35 said:

Sooooo.....I got the impression following along in the live thread that Sara’s return was way overhyped and she didn’t even get a scene with her dad.  Y/N?  And please tell me she was not also drinking the crazy Kool-aid about BS being her “sister.”

Hey now, she got a scene with his corpse while Black Siren got to save him and Oliver got to say goodbye. That’s totally what should have happened. 

[Lantern7]

To review: Quentin died (as expected), Diaz lived (really?!? I know Malcolm lived past S1, but he's played by John Fucking Barrowman, who is a treasure), Oliver voluntarily went to super max prison (I'm sure Barry zipped in to leave a primer on his bed), Laurel lived (aggggh), and the junior members of Team Arrow lived as well. I'm okay with that last bit, but yeah . . . it's like the writers love jabbing their fans in the eyes.

Hey, at least the One True Surviving Lance Daughter came back. Was Caity in the credits? It does offer up a question: if Sara were to come back to Star City, would the Legends be as good? Right now, I don't know who could lead with Mari gone. That thought keeps me from thinking, "Hey, you guys have a advanced spaceship. Why not take Oliver and dump him off back in time? Shit, maybe he's Robin Hood the whole time!!!" I know, not gonna happen.

Seriously . . . Quentin gave his life for Laurel-2. Or do we call her "Yanny"? (like that meme is gonna last) Of course he did. I think Lance was one of the constants of the series, and he's gone through many changes (I still liked him better with hair), but he was mostly true to himself. And he took a bullet from the dumbest Big Bad to save his fake-ass lookalike daughter. Not a good end. Not a good end at all.

Never knew Laurel-2 and Dinah's "cries" sounded different. I guess I never cared to watch/listen closely.

I get the hate. Gotham ended with their city in far worse shape, but at least there was hope. Here, it's just, "How many episodes until a semblance of the status quo returns? All the way to the annual crossover"?

Oh, and with Quentin dead, that means the mayor's seat is empty. Again. Also, I'm thinking there's a semi-official "dead pool" in Star City, where everybody bets on how long a sitting mayor keeps breathing.

[Starfish35]

1 minute ago, scarynikki12 said:

Hey now, she got a scene with his corpse while Black Siren got to save him and Oliver got to say goodbye. That’s totally what should have happened. 

*facepalm*

[scarynikki12]

Other than Sara not capturing Siren to return to Earth 2, all of her scenes were great so that was nice. 

[KirkB]

How, exactly, did we end up in a situation where Quentin is dead, yet Laurel2.0 and Diaz are both alive?

[tennisgurl]

Just think of all the opportunities they had to kill Black Siren, NTA, and especially Diaz, the one thing I hoped and prayed would happen. Or at least, have them leave forever and never darken my screen again. But, because MG hates me personally, they all get to live to annoy me another day. And yet, Quentin dies, and Oliver has to sacrifice everything for a bunch of ungrateful assholes who treat him like shit for no reason. 

The final Olicity and William scene was certainly emotional, but it didnt hit that Hurt So Good vibe that I think they were going for. I wasn't drowning in the tragedy of it all, I was pissed at how unfair it all was, and how poorly this has all been handled. I mean, the whole trail was totally pointless right? And did I hear Watson right, and they're holding Oliver in exchange for dealing with Diazs people? Isn't that their damn job anyway? 

And Quentin goes out with a whimper, not a bang. He doesn't even warrant an onscreen death. Paul and Stephen did a great job with their last conversation though, and it was nice to see Sara for a minute. And I liked the brief mentions of her friendship with Oliver (barging over to Watson was Oliver was in cuffs, calling him Ollie) which I always love. And that she and Felicity hugged. 

MG can let the door hit him on the way out. Its like he specifically crafted an ending to piss the fans off, because he`s bitter about not being show runner anymore, and he hates that fans responded poorly to his "awesome" villain and his "emotional" civil war and daddy's girl stories. What a dick.

[Sakura12]

Also was the villain supposed to be scary? I couldn't understand half of what he was saying and what I did hear was him talking about killing people without actually doing it. I really wish Oliver would said "you talk too much" and just shot the bad guy. 

As a viewer that stopped watching this show, this episode would not bring me back. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Sakura12

[Starfish35]

It sounded like she at least had some nice scenes with Oliver and Felicity.  I’ll wait until it’s on Netflix and fast forward to just those.  Lol.

[Lady Calypso]

What a meh way to end the season. It was supposed to be all dramatic and stuff, but it just wasn't. 

Quentin's death was meh. He sacrificed himself to the woman he thought was his daughter. How disrespectful to his Laurel. 

Oliver goes on a goodbye tour with almost everyone but Curtis. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oliver outs himself as Green Arrow and is hauled to supermax. At least he'll be in jail longer than Barry ever was. 

Diaz lives another season, and mumbles his way through it. Maybe Beth can do something nice and kill him off in the first thirty seconds of season 7. 

[Primal Slayer]

I'm still so pissed. Now I have 6 months to just be pissed. Sit here and be pissed. Is killing off long term, major characters, around since the beginning, off screen now? Give them barely anything to do at the end of the season? Does MG and WM just forget how to write for them all of a sudden? 

We dont even get a funeral! 

[KirkB]

1 minute ago, tennisgurl said:

MG can let the door hit him on the way out. Its like he specifically crafted an ending to piss the fans off, because he`s bitter about not being show runner anymore, and he hates that fans responded poorly to his "awesome" villain and his "emotional" civil war and daddy's girl stories. What a dick.

See, if that's what it is, MG being an asshole and petty retribution, this episode makes a lot more sense.

[scarynikki12]

Just now, Starfish35 said:

It sounded like she at least had some nice scenes with Oliver and Felicity.  I’ll wait until it’s on Netflix and fast forward to just those.  Lol.

Yep! Oliver expressed sympathy and Felicity gave her a comforting hug so that was great. 

[KirkB]

Diaz living bothers me more than Quentin dying. Is that wrong?

Edited May 18, 2018 by KirkB

[Primal Slayer]

Quentin doesnt even get to be the center of attention as he dies. It immediately goes to majority of them being in shock and sad over Oliver being arrested. What the ever loving FRAK!

[scarynikki12]

2 minutes ago, KirkB said:

See, if that's what it is, MG being an asshole and petty retribution, this episode makes a lot more sense.

I guess he wanted his Aaron Sorkin moment but at least those episodes were amazing. 

[statsgirl]

5 minutes ago, BunsenBurner said:

I actually thought the scene between O and Lance was better than the one with he and F. 

IMO Diaz is the worst villain in the Arrowverse.

 

Yes to both of those.

SA and EBR really sold the Oliver/Felicity scene at the end but it was just so meh. I feel like everyone lied about this episode.

It's disappointing that both Malcolm and Quentin, such important characters to the show, both died off-screen.

[KirkB]

At least Malcolm got to go out saving Thea. Quentin just....

[BunsenBurner]

Oh just one more thing. I was right in the Live Posting. If BS hadn't pushed Diaz off the building Oliver wouldn't have gone to prison. Thanks BS. So stupid. Now I'm done.

[Primal Slayer]

Sara hasn't gotten a scene with Quentin since Laurel died. WTF. I wanted to see them smiling together, laughing, crying....