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Conrad's ex-fiancé is admitted to the hospital with abdominal pain that proves to be a medical mystery. As Conrad doggedly tries to figure out her diagnosis, Nic gets some insight into Conrad's past.

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So Lane murdered Lily and set Nic up to take the fall.

I can't say I'm shocked.  I think odds were that the bone marrow was intended to kill her.  The latest chemo was intended to kill her.  Nic referring Lily to another Dr. drove her to kill Lily in a way that framed Nic instead of Lily unfortunately succumbing to cancer.

I'm thinking more than ever that Lily had gone into remission or was never sick.

Previouslies repeated that Lane found her cancer when others couldn't.  They made a point of Lane freaking out at not just sending over the treatment history but going back all the way to the original referral.  I also find the four cases of incurable cancer being cured suspect.  Maybe she lied about incurable cancers so she could claim a cure later on.

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That was heartbreaking. Lane killed that girl and set Nic up all at once. Bell is a shitty doctor, but Lane is worse because she's a fucking murderer. 

Also, I'm pretty sure Lily never even had cancer. That's how Lane cures uncurable cancers. And I imagine why the doses of chemo are so high, to hid the fact that many of her patients are perfectly healthy. 

Even before that, the surgery scene was so intense and well done. The dog thing was silly but not bothersome. This was a great episode. 

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I should have known Lily's death was upon us when the damn puppy ran into her room. But man, I didn't catch on to Lane's plan until she entered Lily's room. She's a despicable woman. I really hope Lane will be caught, though I'm not sure of how she will yet. She did a decent job at covering her tracks and framing Nic, but people do make mistakes, so I'm going to need Nic and Conrad and Devon to uncover that mistake.

Poor Lily. She got murdered by the doctor she thought she trusted. I can't believe that Bell's not the worst doctor anymore. Lane's just....I don't know how long I'll be able to tolerate this Nic being framed arc if it isn't resolved in the next episode. God, how many more episodes are there in the season? 

I do feel bad for Nic now that she got framed for Lily's death. But I feel bad for Conrad too; he was close with Lily since the pilot, so him trying to save her well over 20 minutes and then having to call it? That does really suck. 

I do love this show bringing on recurring patients. Almost all the medical shows I've ever watched don't bother, unless it's a special two-parter or some overall arc. 

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WOW!

I love this show but this episode was out standing!  We  knew Lane was a fake-ass bitch but I didn't think she'd go that far! 

 

Good news is there is 5 more episodes.  Bad news, we have to wait 3 weeks for the next one.

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I'm starting to see how they are going to navigate their way out of the Dr. Bell problem.

I'm guessing when it comes out that Lane is a killer that the hospital administrator is out and Bell steps up to take he place what with surgery being recorded.

That keeps Bell on the show and lets the Conrad//Nic/Dev battle decisions that prioritize profit over patients without killing a patient through malpractice every week.

16 minutes ago, vibeology said:

That was heartbreaking. Lane killed that girl and set Nic up all at once. Bell is a shitty doctor, but Lane is worse because she's a fucking murderer. 

I think they took Lane all the way to murderer so Bell would seem like just a shitty doctor by comparison.  He is risking killing a patient every time he operates.  Now that Conrad stopped him from operating on someone he cares about the show can't really let Conrad not intervene with the next patient(s).

4 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

But man, I didn't catch on to Lane's plan until she entered Lily's room.

I knew the minute Lane suggested the Potassium and Nic questioned the dosage.  Actually, I knew something was up as soon as Dev refused to leave and Lane responded by putting Nic back as Lily's nurse. 

I thought it wasn't realistic that Nic would follow Lane's orders and then leave for the night.  I thought it would have made more sense for her to get a second opinion from Conrad especially since Lane had pretended to leave.  But plot necessity and all that.

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No!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

Not Lily, I liked Lily! Ugh, I hate that stupid bitch doctor and I can't wait until she gets what's coming to her. I'm so livid right now.

Also, I just got a 52" TV and I felt like I could have just reached through the TV and cuddled those puppies. They were beyond cute. And much more life-like in size than when I used to watch through my 27" TV, heh.

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4 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm starting to see how they are going to navigate their way out of the Dr. Bell problem.

I'm guessing when it comes out that Lane is a killer that the hospital administrator is out and Bell steps up to take he place what with surgery being recorded.

That keeps Bell on the show and lets the Conrad//Nic/Dev battle decisions that prioritize profit over patients without killing a patient through malpractice every week.

I think they took Lane all the way to murderer so Bell would seem like just a shitty doctor by comparison.  He is risking killing a patient every time he operates.  Now that Conrad stopped him from operating on someone he cares about the show can't really let Conrad not intervene with the next patient(s).

I knew the minute Lane suggested the Potassium and Nic questioned the dosage.  Actually, I knew something was up as soon as Dev refused to leave and Lane responded by putting Nic back as Lily's nurse. 

I thought it wasn't realistic that Nic would follow Lane's orders and then leave for the night.  I thought it would have made more sense for her to get a second opinion from Conrad especially since Lane had pretended to leave.  But plot necessity and all that.

That was the big, glaring hole in an INTENSE episode!  Nic being so trusting was completely out of character.   Plus it was verbal!!!!  Shouldn't she have looked to make sure it was in writing somewhere?  I was screaming at her, what are you thinking????

I hated that, but then the big payoff will be Conrad and Nic.  I liked Matt C. on The Good Wife, but I absolutely love him in this!  Was glad he didn't even pretend a puppy made it better.  And, wow, I thought Carey was cute but dang in this show he's absolutely hawt. 

They have a perfect team of 4 - with Bell for a foil.  I agree that's where they're going, great analysis above. 

I started watching because of Lucifer, but now I look forward to this hold your breath ride way more than the mess Lucifer's become. :)

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I wonder if MK only signed on to appear for one season because there is absolutely no way Lane gets a redemption arc after tonight.

 

The puppies were adorable, but I didn't like that one ended up with someone who probably won't take care of it (fat one legged guy), one would have ended up with someone who could barely care for herself (Lily), and one was given as a gift to someone who had expressed no desire to own a dog before (Priya).  Certainly, whatever rescue these puppies came from has a more involved adoption process than someone simply seeing the puppy and deciding they want it.

 

Previews suggest that Lily's family will be suing Chastain.  If they were that concerned, perhaps they should have accompanied her to the treatments that made her sick enough that she couldn't walk without collapsing.

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9 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

 

The puppies were adorable, but I didn't like that one ended up with someone who probably won't take care of it (fat one legged guy), one would have ended up with someone who could barely care for herself (Lily), and one was given as a gift to someone who had expressed no desire to own a dog before (Priya).  Certainly, whatever rescue these puppies came from has a more involved adoption process than someone simply seeing the puppy and deciding they want it.

 

 

As someone with 2 dogs of their own as well as 2 foster dogs looking for their new homes, that bothered me too.  The rescue I wok for is adamant that dogs not be given as gifts and does a massive campaign to discourage it around every Valentines Day and Christmas.  A home check is also mandatory.

And as cute as puppies are, it's  crazy to think they would be left to run loose in a room with sick kids.  They'd be peeing and pooping all over the place.  Cute idea in fantasyland but totally ridiculous in the real world.

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1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

Previews suggest that Lily's family will be suing Chastain.  If they were that concerned, perhaps they should have accompanied her to the treatments that made her sick enough that she couldn't walk without collapsing

That's exactly what I was thinking... What family? I wonder if we'll even see them. 

I knew Lane was up to something when she asked Nic to return to Lily's care but I didn't know what.  

1 hour ago, ParadoxLost said:

I thought it wasn't realistic that Nic would follow Lane's orders and then leave for the night.  I thought it would have made more sense for her to get a second opinion from Conrad especially since Lane had pretended to leave.  But plot necessity and all that.

Plus it didn't seem she even informed an incoming nurse so that Lily could be monitored while the potassium was being administered

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In my mind, I'm hoping that somehow the puppy is able to put Lane in Lily's room that night after Nic left. Maybe too many Columbo mysteries, but I've seen more far-fetched denouments.

I was wondering if Lane is never worried that if one of her patients dies during an unnecessary procedure, an autopsy might reveal that they didn't actually have cancer. But then I realized that the reaction would be, "What a tragedy! And after being miraculously cured of cancer!"

I swore I wouldn't get hooked on another medical drama (after The Good Doctor), but this prime-time soap opera is so addictive!

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That was absolutely brutal. When Lane gave the verbal to Nik I knew she was a goner, and Nik will take the fall. The look on Lane’s face when the new Onc doc asked for her records from diagnosis, it was obvious that Lily was never sick with cancer. I was already crying when Conrad was doing CPR for 20 minutes, but that adorable puppy slinking out from under the bed and sitting next to Conrad made me lose it. At least now maybe the actress can go back to the Flash or Legends.

There are always therapy dogs around the pediatric units. If a kid was sick enough to not be around them, they wouldn’t be allowed in the play room. The kids freaking out over one of the dogs missing was so adorable.

I was wondering why the amputee was seeing Deven at the hospital for a check up, but then I handwaved it for him doing his continuity clinic. Since he should be doing other rotations other than inpatient by now, another handwave maneuver was done. You can’t  be realistic if you want the TV drama, and I still love this show.

I was surprised at first that they didn’t go the ectopic pregnancy route with a positive test and severe right lower quadrant pain, but that was a reasonable explanation for the OB to miss it on US (too many gassy bowel loops from the SBO and there was already an intrauterine pregnancy found). IVF has been shown to do that. Thank goodness best doctor eva’ Conrad found it. He’s better than an OB and radiologist!

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Nic vs Lane had the most potential from the start and the writers were right to exploit it and articulate the final arc around it, because wow.

As soon as I saw the puppies, I knew it would be the hell of a ride (and kept thinking about how unhygienic it was to have animals walking around the hospital).

So Lane revealed a true and evil villain. I was yelling at the other oncologist: "Don't tell her! Don't tell her, you idiot!"; but I thought she'd have Nic reprimanded or suspended, not that she'd go that far. Lane is dangerous because she's smart, cold as ice, and a master manipulator. Conrad, Nic, Bell, they all fell for her schtick at one point. She played on Conrad's empathy for his patients like a violin, and he was manipulating her too (the smirk, always the smirk when he hides what he feels) but she's out of his league.  She played Bell (to give herself an alibi? or to seduce him and have him on her side? or to seduce him and frame him, too?) after it was stressed that his divorce was final. And she played Nic. Placing Lily back in her care was a stroke of evil genius. Nic didn't buy the kumbaya speech, but imo she thought that Lane was worried and backing off the case herself. Second, because as I said above Lane could go to Claire and complain about Nic endangering Chastain's reputation and finances etc. so Nic had no reason to suspect that Lane could try to get rid of her in another way.  With that move, Lane lured Nic into a sense of false security.

I didn't think that Nic was too trusting or stupid. There's losing perspective and killing patients who are terminal by using them as guinea pigs, for the "greater good" and "money to save others who have a chance", and there's cold-blood murder and framing someone for it. The point on Priya's investigation showed that the Musketeers don't suspect yet the possibility of Lane purposefully making patients sick. Nic put the IV, checked the dosage herself, and Lane had to trifle with it afterwards to increase the speed of administration, I suppose. I don't think it could come to her mind, either, that Lane would actually murder a patient and dirty her own hands.

I just wonder why they didn't show Lane actually do it, in terms of: Are they keeping some leeway for a cop out? I'm reaching, only because I believe indeed that it will be hard to keep Melina K. another season after Lane killed Lily -not that what she does at her clinic isn't despicable or punishable, but I can see how she could get away with it. Unless they can prove that Nic didn't do it but can't prove anything against Lane. Melina K. is absolutely nailing it in the role, so it would be a pity to lose her.

When the ex-fiancee began to ask Nic about Conrad, I was ready to roll my eyes at the ex's sixth sense or some "I saw on your face that you love him", so good move with the ring. She noticing it explains why she talked about personal matters to an unknown nurse. There were a couple of clunky dialogues ("we both come from broken families") but 1) a TV ex who doesn't want her ex back, yay! 2) it shed more light on Conrad's family situation, while mostly avoiding the sudden big info dump. 

When Conrad said he called Jude, I face-palmed. Jude doesn't have a better track record than Bell, Mina wasn't impressed, by the way, and it wasn't his fault this time around but I definitely feel another disaster in the making here.

Mina continues to be my ray of sunshine. "I'm not a dog person, etc." and her definition of romantic love, LOL.

Between the cute dog and the tragedies, this episode could have drowned in saccharine and it didn't, which I really appreciated. The stories were strong enough as they were. I liked the choice of simply showing Conrad's raw pain, without fussing about it.

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Showing everybody past their residency only caring about the money and status as payback for the earlier sacrifices is one thing but a straight out murder is a different show than I thought we were getting. 

A three week hiatus after the Final Four makes it feel like they decided to  change course after the first few episodes and needed the time for adjustments.

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28 minutes ago, Raja said:

A three week hiatus after the Final Four makes it feel like they decided to  change course after the first few episodes and needed the time for adjustments.

Production wrapped February 5th (source: Spoiler TV production dates sheet) so it's only the FOX programming monkeys striking again.

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1 hour ago, rhys said:

Could Nik have turned down Lane's request (demand?)  to become Lily's nurse again? Any hospital people here?

Maybe, if she went to her supervisor and said that she wasn’t comfortable working with Lane. Nik agreed because she wanted to take care of Lily, and never thought that Lane would kill a patient and frame her. I don’t know how a doctor can put her career in jeopardy unless she knows she won’t get caught. There must be cameras in the hospital showing her going into Lily’s room. 

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14 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm thinking more than ever that Lily had gone into remission or was never sick.

 

14 hours ago, vibeology said:

That was heartbreaking. Lane killed that girl and set Nic up all at once. Bell is a shitty doctor, but Lane is worse because she's a fucking murderer. 

Also, I'm pretty sure Lily never even had cancer. That's how Lane cures uncurable cancers. And I imagine why the doses of chemo are so high, to hid the fact that many of her patients are perfectly healthy. 

I think it is this for sure.  No one can cure *that many* incurable cancers else they would share the method and it would become curable.

13 hours ago, Jlina said:

That was the big, glaring hole in an INTENSE episode!  Nic being so trusting was completely out of character.   Plus it was verbal!!!!  Shouldn't she have looked to make sure it was in writing somewhere?  I was screaming at her, what are you thinking????

I was shocked that there weren't specific orders in a system and that she did verbal orders and even questioned them but still did it.  We *all* saw that setup coming but my goodness what a cold blooded killer we have in Lane.

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1 hour ago, twoods said:

Maybe, if she went to her supervisor and said that she wasn’t comfortable working with Lane. Nik agreed because she wanted to take care of Lily, and never thought that Lane would kill a patient and frame her. I don’t know how a doctor can put her career in jeopardy unless she knows she won’t get caught. There must be cameras in the hospital showing her going into Lily’s room. 

You beat me too it 9just watched the episode!).  Recall the foreshadowing of Claire (to Dr. Bell) about the cameras to catch mistakes?  Lily would have been in IC and I'm very confident that cameras would have been installed there as well as the ORs.  I bet we'll see a videotape of NP Nic (they are sensitive to that NP designation) going into the IC, getting the IV, inserting it etc and then leaving the room.  Later we''ll see Dr. Lane enter the IC and adjust the dose controller.  Dum da dum dum!

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10 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

When Conrad said he called Jude, I face-palmed. Jude doesn't have a better track record than Bell, Mina wasn't impressed, by the way, and it wasn't his fault this time around but I definitely feel another disaster in the making here.

Same! Conrad saying he called Jude didn't make me feel any better about his ex's chances of a succesful surgery.

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17 hours ago, katalizt said:

That's exactly what I was thinking... What family? I wonder if we'll even see them. 

I knew Lane was up to something when she asked Nic to return to Lily's care but I didn't know what.  

Plus it didn't seem she even informed an incoming nurse so that Lily could be monitored while the potassium was being administered

This. But also, seeing as how Nic didn't trust Lane, and she knew Conrad was at the hospital all night, I would have texted him about the potassium and told him to check in on Lily as much as possible since I was leaving and worried about the dosage.

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I know the puppy storyline wasn't realistic but I needed it in that episode. And honestly the moment when the puppy wiped out running down the hall I rewatched multiple times. It was classic and no way the director could have known it would happen. 

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6 hours ago, Stratego said:

You beat me too it 9just watched the episode!).  Recall the foreshadowing of Claire (to Dr. Bell) about the cameras to catch mistakes?  Lily would have been in IC and I'm very confident that cameras would have been installed there as well as the ORs.  I bet we'll see a videotape of NP Nic (they are sensitive to that NP designation) going into the IC, getting the IV, inserting it etc and then leaving the room.  Later we''ll see Dr. Lane enter the IC and adjust the dose controller.  Dum da dum dum!

I am really hoping this is the case because I don't want to see a long and drawn out "Nic goes to jail" story line.

Puppies!  I don't care if it's not realistic because they made me so happy!

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6 hours ago, Stratego said:

You beat me too it 9just watched the episode!).  Recall the foreshadowing of Claire (to Dr. Bell) about the cameras to catch mistakes?  Lily would have been in IC and I'm very confident that cameras would have been installed there as well as the ORs.  I bet we'll see a videotape of NP Nic (they are sensitive to that NP designation) going into the IC, getting the IV, inserting it etc and then leaving the room.  Later we''ll see Dr. Lane enter the IC and adjust the dose controller.  Dum da dum dum!

If this is true then I speculate that Claire will hide the evidence because evidence of Lane murdering the patient is worse for the hospital economically than Nic being accused of killing the patient with no evidence.  This will drag things out, allow the Docs to investigate, and put Bell in a better position to step in as admin to solve that he can't do surgery anymore.

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Just as aside, has anyone had a Potassium drip? I have and it was horrible. They have to have the drip extremely slow because the Potassium burns like fire! They started my drip around 5 one evening and it took until around 8 the next night to get my level where it belonged. They changed the drip many times until it didn't burn so it was a really long 27 hours.

And yes, those puppies were so cute and I am not a dog person...give me a kitten anytime!

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This wasn’t a potassium drip- it was a saline bag that had 40meq of potassium chloride in it. Normal is usually 20meq so that was an automatic red flag, which is why Nik questioned Lane. Because of her failed kidneys she died from an arrhythmia from the high potassium.

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I knew Lane was planning something shady as soon as she asked Nic to be Lily's nurse again, but even then, it's crazy that she went as far as she did.  Baring a last minute swerve, she just murdered Lily and is setting up Nic to take the fall, by making it look like she screwed up.  I knew Lane was bad, but damn!  Even Bell's victims were due to his pride/deluded himself into thinking he's still good at his job, and not intentional.

Speaking of which, not sure how much longer Bell can keep this going now that Claire has installed cameras everywhere.  Only out I can see him getting is finding some way to get an administrative position, that won't require him to be in the field anymore.

Gold star to whoever cast those puppies, because they were pretty adorable.  I'm pretty sure the adoptive process is a little bit more complicated then how the show did it, but it was still fun (although, Devon was lucky as hell that Priya apparently wanted one.  Hopefully she had mentioned it before, because that could have easily backfired on him.)

Mina will never not be awesome.

Indifferent to the stuff involving Conrad and his ex, but I guess it was all to show how important Nic really is to him.

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9 hours ago, suebee12 said:

Just as aside, has anyone had a Potassium drip? I have and it was horrible. They have to have the drip extremely slow because the Potassium burns like fire! They started my drip around 5 one evening and it took until around 8 the next night to get my level where it belonged. They changed the drip many times until it didn't burn so it was a really long 27 hours.

And yes, those puppies were so cute and I am not a dog person...give me a kitten anytime!

For me it was MAGNESIUM. Holy hell. I had major surgery and thr damn magnesium drip was the most painful part of my hospitalization. Well that and the damn chest tube. My wrist was on fire.

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Regarding some above concerns, therapy dogs are allowed in hospitals, including children's wards, but they're adult dogs, evaluated for temperment and trained for that specific role. And of course not available for adoption, let alone a casual give-away.

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33 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Anyone else notice that Lane also managed to set up an alibi for herself by asking Bell to take her to dinner.  

I was wondering about that.  If Bell knew exactly what time she walked up to him, he might not end up being an alibi.  She supposedly left the hospital before Nic, yet stayed until after Nic left.  So if Bell had glanced at his phone when he was outside, maybe he could clear Nic.  Not that he would take her side over Lane's. 

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I am really, really bothered by the Us vs. Them dynamic on this show. I really love certain parts, but then...every single person over the age of 40 is corrupt and/or full-on evil, and all the young people are just wonderful, good doctors who are just in it for the doctorin'. It's so ham-fisted and trite. 

 

Also, for all of Nic's suspicious nature concerning Lane, nothing about Lane asking her to take over Lily's case or odd dosing instructions that she even questioned struck her as the tiniest bit odd? Nothing in her gut told her that she needed to be vigilant as hell about anything concerning Lane? Like, for real? Great time to question everything, Nic. 

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This show is ambitious occasionally and that's what gets me to watch. But for me it isn't yet at drop-everything, only-pay-attention-to-this status. 

I love that Dr. Bell's "complication" in the pilot wasn't a one-off, the strong recurring characters haven't happened since the early seasons of House, and the show is well-cast. At the same time, I want more. Dr Okafor still feels one-dimensional, despite the scene with her off-the-books outpatient, and the apparent evil of the senior staff, combined with the storyline we got about max billable expenses, is potentially intriguing but rather simplistically realized. 

They have set up what should be a watchable story arc for the remainder of the season (thank God we have a"full" 13 episodes!),  and I'm really hoping that this show is able to bring  some more story nuance to go with the strong acting they've been getting so far. 

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3 hours ago, Risky Librarian said:

Also, for all of Nic's suspicious nature concerning Lane, nothing about Lane asking her to take over Lily's case or odd dosing instructions that she even questioned struck her as the tiniest bit odd? Nothing in her gut told her that she needed to be vigilant as hell about anything concerning Lane? Like, for real? Great time to question everything, Nic. 

Well, it was clear that Nic WAS suspicious of Lane asking her to be Lily's nurse again, as well as the odd dosing instructions. But for Nic, her thought process wouldn't go to being framed for murder. Her first thought would be how she can protect Lily now. Plus, who knows what Lane's plan would have been if Nic had turned her down. She could have been made to look worse by not being Lily's nurse, as she could be looked at as someone who wasn't in it for her patients. It wasn't a clear yes/no situation, and Lane knew that Nic would never turn down her offer. Nic, in this situation, couldn't have said no, because it was about Lily in this moment. That's how Lane manipulated the situation as well. Though, yeah, poor writing for Nic to not go to ask Conrad to keep an eye on Lily before she left for the night. 

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Watched this show for the first time and I could definitely get invested... however, did the sound editing crew go on strike? I was wishing for sub-titles! Seems a lot of conversation is garbled, mumbled, and my lip-reading skills have dwindled in ol' age. (This isn't the only show I'm noticing this... maybe I need to get my ears checked?)

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I am not in the medical field, but I called the ectopic early on, because I still remember Ralph Bellamy spitting out the words "Ectopic pregnancy!!" and shaking his head in Rosemary's Baby. Seems TV recycles even old ideas...

14 hours ago, Bliss said:

Watched this show for the first time and I could definitely get invested... however, did the sound editing crew go on strike? I was wishing for sub-titles! Seems a lot of conversation is garbled, mumbled, and my lip-reading skills have dwindled in ol' age. (This isn't the only show I'm noticing this... maybe I need to get my ears checked?)

This is why I watch almost everything except news and sports with captions on.

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The puppy plot was cute but not realistic. Yes therapy dogs will go into pediatric units but they are trained not to pee and poop everywhere. Plus those dogs needed a serious bath/brush.  And no, a reputable rescue wouldn't just let the puppies go to whoever wanted with out a home check. But the minute it started out with the puppies I knew it was a set up for a brutal ending. Pull you in with the cuteness then rip your heart out with murder/framing a character. 

Overall the biggest glaring inconsistency though was Nic following the medication orders and not questioning things. She's lead the charge against Lane this entire time and this time decides to listen? That doesn't match up.  Even to follow orders and leave with out letting Conrad know to keep an eye on Lily. Just totally out of character that has been built up. 

I'm curious to see how long they draw this out with Lane setting Nic up. Will one of the cameras that was installed show something? Will records from Lanes clinic he audited and she gets caught that way? Will Priya uncover something? 

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