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Pranks are just a way for sadists to act openly while proclaiming innocence.

I think Terra has accomplished more than 99% of wanna -bees who go to LA for show business. She got dancing jobs on a few major artist stadium tours. She got a reality show onto a major network AND multiple spinoffs. She got Dancing With The Stars, which famous people with a lot longer resumes have not managed to get -- and lasted quite a while. Yes the hustle doesn't stop and it's not always pretty to watch (her acting prescripted stuff is weak and she often can't avoid smiling during "dramatic" scenes.) But even if the whole LW thing folds to tomorrow, I can see her working as a producer/behind the scenes very successfully.

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2 hours ago, kassa said:

Pranks are just a way for sadists to act openly while proclaiming innocence.

I think Terra has accomplished more than 99% of wanna -bees who go to LA for show business. She got dancing jobs on a few major artist stadium tours. She got a reality show onto a major network AND multiple spinoffs. She got Dancing With The Stars, which famous people with a lot longer resumes have not managed to get -- and lasted quite a while. Yes the hustle doesn't stop and it's not always pretty to watch (her acting prescripted stuff is weak and she often can't avoid smiling during "dramatic" scenes.) But even if the whole LW thing folds to tomorrow, I can see her working as a producer/behind the scenes very successfully.

I may not like her at all but she definitely has hustle.  She wanted to make a name in Hollywood and she did.  Despite her many, many, many flaws and her horrible characterization on LW (her own doing, since, as an EP I imagine she has some creative control) she is a go getter.  I could see her as a behind the scenes type.

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I wonder if Terra's exclamation that she is doing everything to get Penny to walk includes PT.   If hydrocephalus is keeping Penny from walking, why in the hell are they waiting another six months?

Mika seems to drop a lot of money.  Maybe she should improve the conditions of her rabbits, which live no better than puppies in puppy mills.

After the adorable short hairstyles, Elena and Terra are back to ratty extensions.

I used to like Bourne, but he's an asshole just like his sister.

I wonder what Christy looks like now.  A loss of only twenty-five pounds would make a drastic difference.  

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I can't with Terra and that high pitched breathless cry. I did not see a single tear. How does one manage that? She may have hustle but she can't act worth shit. 

Penny is so cute! 

Another stupid outing dragging the husbands along. Why are they making Mika the events organizer? I can't stand her.  

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9 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I can't with Terra and that high pitched breathless cry. I did not see a single tear. How does one manage that? She may have hustle but she can't act worth shit. 

Penny is so cute! 

Another stupid outing dragging the husbands along. Why are they making Mika the events organizer? I can't stand her.  

I thought I was the only one who can't stand her fake crying scenes.  One minute she's crying a second later she's fine. There are never any tears. It's horrible!. 

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Work with my logic here...

So, gnomes are offensive to little people.  Well the name Black Girl Moscato was offensive to Tonya (as a black woman) and Terra defended that forever.  Terra's black friend came up with the name BGM so, in Terra's eyes, it was ok.  It's not possible that BGM coming from a white woman was offensive because the idea came from a black woman.  Ok, Terra's little person friend, Mika, wants to be on a team called the gnomes, same difference.  Should the word gnomes be offensive to other little people since it was a little person who initially wanted to use the name?  Can a little person like gnomes?  I guess it's ok to be offensive as long as Terra can A) justify it, and B)Terra is not personally offended by the word.

Also, gnome is an offensive word but dwarf isn't?  That I don't get.

Terra has, I am almost positive, shed real tears over Penny and her issues.  However, the fake crying gets old.  It's ok to be stoic and heartfelt but not weepy when discussing an issue with your child that they have been going through for a while.  Her attempt at crying just makes her look ridiculous and shows her terrible acting skills.  I guess she thinks if she doesn't cry for the audience, she won't look concerned over her child's issues.  Whatever.

I like Jasmine but she really needs to fight her own battles and let others fight their own battles.  She's getting all fisticuffs about the gnome outfit when it wasn't even about her.  Christy is a bug girl and we have seen in last seven seasons that she can fight for herself.  

Elena was a non-intity this week.

Tonya needs to drop the whole "she better not do (such and such) or I'm going to (whoop butt)" because she ain't as tough as she speaks.  If she really were going to whoop butt, she'd have whooped Mika butt two weeks ago.

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Autumn absolutely runs her mom.  Claiming she's so mature and responsible.  Christy needs give Autumn 30 days to find another living situation.  I can't imagine letting my daughter, who lives in my house, eats my food, and expects me to tote her around town, talk to me like that.  If Autumn makes living in that house so awful at times, Christy needs to escort her out.  It's Christy's home and she shouldn't feel scared to spend time there.  But, Autumn has her mother running scared and Christy would never intentionally make her uncomfortable.

Christy and Autumn look very washed out in those pictures.  Thet looked fine, happy, but really pale.  I hope the actual head shots come out better.

Elena asking Jasmine for help hiring for the beauty bar!  F that!  Jasmine is a better person than I am.  You didn't want her expertise enough to share a decent percentage of the business but now you want my help hiring people?  Uh, no.  I so like the guy they chose.  He seems to know about the business and seems super nice.  Hope he's ready for Elena to drop the whole business on his back soon.  She doesn't want to work, she wants to come in periodically and make some decisions about new product and cash her checks.  Hope he's ready.

Tonya is a boss with her friends but let's business contractors screw her over?  

All the home renovation shows are doing away with bathtubs.  They are saying that no one wants tubs anymore.  I think people want bathtubs!  They may not luxuriate often but they want the opportunity to do so when they feel like it.  In 10 years a bunch of people are going to be pulling out all these showers to put tubs back in.  Sure, showers are cool but I think every home also needs a tub.  How do you bathe a 2 year old?  No tub time to play?  Sounds sad.

Way to suck the life out of the date Tonya.  Terra was right that she showed up all stank.  She had no intention of enjoying anything about that evening.  I would be mortified if I were Elena, and so apologetic to Preston's  friend.  Chemistry or not, you were rude and dismissive to that poor guy, Tonya, you suck.

Love Tonya gown for the launch party.  Love.  And regarding Jaa.  She doesn't mind being the other woman if she doesn't know for sure that she is the other woman.  That's why she won't confront Jaa about his lady.  Once she knows she's the OW, she has to make a decision, one she doesn't want to make.

Terra can hardly contain her stank face that whole night.  Then her fake sipping the wine?  Terrible, and so obvious.  I don't really like red wine.  I don't order it.  And if Tonya's blend was that punchy, I wouldn't pretend to drink it.  That's why there are tons of wines, people have different tastes.  Mika's liking it?  But pouring it in Jasmine's glass?  Doesn't seem like she did.

Todd and Christy.  Todd is passive aggressive.  Christy is neurotic and a nag.  They have both aquired coping mechanisms to deal with the other.  They need real counseling, not just an afternoon chat with a counselor.  Todd's not as jerky as Christy would have us believe (although cooking burgers when she couldn't eat was kind of a jerk thing to do).  I really think Christy is taking her frustrations about Autumn out on Todd.  Those are piled on along with her frustrations about Todd.  Then she feels bad about her body.  He's her scape goat.

Then again, I'm pretty sure it is all made up for tv.

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13 hours ago, PreciousGem said:

Why are they making Todd such a jerk to Christy? He was never that way with her.  He was always a supportive husband.  

Christy is so boring she has to have something to bitch about. I do not care that Amber doesn't want to drive. Do. Not. Care. Amber is as boring as her mother.

What is wrong with Tonya? I think this whole Jaa situation is for storyline, too. They dated before, broke up, she begged Kerwin to move to LA to be with her, that didn't work out (once again) so the producers drag Jaa back to the show just to give Tonya a love interest because she's the only single one and much older than the others so she already doesn't fit in with them. That's my theory. She is pathetic. 

I want a friend like Jasmine. She's a doll and I like her husband. I hope she gets the big house!

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11 minutes ago, Destiny74 said:

I so like the guy they chose.  He seems to know about the business and seems super nice.  Hope he's ready for Elena to drop the whole business on his back soon.  She doesn't want to work, she wants to come in periodically and make some decisions about new product and cash her checks.  Hope he's ready.

This guy seems to know his shit! I liked him, the beauty business is kind of weird and quirky and so was he. If Elena wants to pay him to run the business so she doesn't have to do anything, then she better be prepared to pony up the $$$$ to keep him or he will walk. 

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3 hours ago, Destiny74 said:

Autumn absolutely runs her mom.  Claiming she's so mature and responsible.  Christy needs give Autumn 30 days to find another living situation.  I can't imagine letting my daughter, who lives in my house, eats my food, and expects me to tote her around town, talk to me like that.  If Autumn makes living in that house so awful at times, Christy needs to escort her out.  It's Christy's home and she shouldn't feel scared to spend time there.  But, Autumn has her mother running scared and Christy would never intentionally make her uncomfortable.

     First off, I agree with everything you said in your post.  Autumn is an idiot, and if I was Christy, her bitchy ass would be handed a bus pass and a day pass to the Y cause that is where she would be living. She is totally disrespectful and a brat.

3 hours ago, Destiny74 said:

Elena asking Jasmine for help hiring for the beauty bar!  F that!  Jasmine is a better person than I am.  You didn't want her expertise enough to share a decent percentage of the business but now you want my help hiring people?  Uh, no.  I so like the guy they chose.  He seems to know about the business and seems super nice.  Hope he's ready for Elena to drop the whole business on his back soon.  She doesn't want to work, she wants to come in periodically and make some decisions about new product and cash her checks.  Hope he's ready.

 

I would have told Elena to f*ck off, after what she did to Jasmine.  I always thought Elena was totally selfish to begin with. She just wants to reap the rewards and put as little of work into anything as possible.

3 hours ago, Destiny74 said:

Way to suck the life out of the date Tonya.  Terra was right that she showed up all stank.  She had no intention of enjoying anything about that evening.  I would be mortified if I were Elena, and so apologetic to Preston's  friend.  Chemistry or not, you were rude and dismissive to that poor guy, Tonya, you suck.

Love Tonya gown for the launch party.  Love.  And regarding Jaa.  She doesn't mind being the other woman if she doesn't know for sure that she is the other woman.  That's why she won't confront Jaa about his lady.  Once she knows she's the OW, she has to make a decision, one she doesn't want to make.

 

Her date was cute compared to Kerwin & Jaa, send him my way :)    Tonya doesn't want to know the truth, she is really pathetic. She claims to be all boss lady, but she is a wuss who can't be alone and skirts the whole Jaa has a girlfriend question.  It also looked like NO ONE liked her wine, looked like Terra & Mika were fake drinking it.

And then finally we have Todd & Christy - that girl is never happy...Todd seems like a saint and I do think Christy nags and instigates shit just to fight or prove a point or to have Todd agree with her.  Maybe Todd is a prick behind closed doors, who knows, but living with Autumn & Christy, he gets a pass from me.  

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So Todd is not allowed to cook now? Because Christy is trying to lose weight? What a bitch. Cook your own damn food and leave the guy alone. That's what me and my hubby do when one is on the weight loss train and the other isn't. It's no big deal. Christy needs to back off or she is going to find herself alone like Tonya. 

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43 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

So Todd is not allowed to cook now? Because Christy is trying to lose weight? What a bitch. Cook your own damn food and leave the guy alone. That's what me and my hubby do when one is on the weight loss train and the other isn't. It's no big deal. Christy needs to back off or she is going to find herself alone like Tonya. 

Christy didn't get the memo that true, lasting weight loss also includes a little thing called will power.  If smelling burgers is going to make her cheat once she gets to eat real food, the weight's not going to go down.  Losing weight is freaking hard and takes a mind change, not just a smaller stomach.

Then again, all the drama could just be for the cameras.  ?

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I think Todd could wait until she gets over the first few weeks, especially since she helped him through his weight loss surgery. Also, a lot of spouses subconsciously try to sabotage their spouses weight loss. I agree though that Christy seems generally high strung. 

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On 7/21/2018 at 8:49 AM, Madding crowd said:

I think Todd could wait until she gets over the first few weeks, especially since she helped him through his weight loss surgery. Also, a lot of spouses subconsciously try to sabotage their spouses weight loss. I agree though that Christy seems generally high strung. 

I agree.  He should've waited until her liquid diet stage was over.  However, is he not supposed to eat?  He would've been called an ass for cooking anything because Christy is freaking hungry and wants to eat real food but can't.  He could've fried up liver and onions and he still would've been the bad guy.  He could've made a salad and she would've been pissed.  She's struggling and he's her whipping boy.  Problem is, he is sick of being her whipping boy, he's sick of always being to blame for whatever is pissing her off.  When she was waring with Terra he was in the clear.  Now that Terra isn't her enemy, she needs someone to blame for everything...enter Todd.

Then again, it could all be for ratings.  ?

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Elena has some nerve to ask Jasmine for help choosing an assistant.  Elena didn't think Jasmine brought anything to the table when she asked Jasmine to be her business partner but now wants advice and help from Jasmine? Elena is nothing but a user.  Jasmine should've said no but she obviously has a good heart.  

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Season finale episode.  Terra calling Christy names is irritating. Terra needs to grow the hell up already with that crap.  She doesn't seem to understand that Tonya has always felt the wine name Black Girl Moscato was degrading to the Black community and regardless of Terra's wine launch party its being launched together. If Tonya goes it's like she's also supporting something she was against.  Terra saying she bought Tonya's outfit from her exercise line, her wine and was always supportive was a cheap shot. Tonya has always been supportive of Terra. Terra wasn't ok with Christy putting her 2 cents in but was ok for Mika to? Why didn't Terra tell Mika to butt out if it was between her and Tonya? If it was between Tonya and Terra why talk about it in front of the girls and not privately among themselves? I so dislike both Terra and Mika.  Elena is a hypocrite.  She didn't like the wine name Black Girl Moscato either now she's ok with it? 

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I saw a cryptic tweet from Christy on her IG thanking all for the support over these past 7 seasons.

.Also the Little Women LA facebook promoted this week as the finale, not the season finale. Jasmine said on IG that will be no reunion. Looks like it may be a wrap..

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I’m a huge Christy fan.  She is real (except for the hair and makeup in her most recent TH - YUCK), and vulnerable and has her ups and downs that we can all relate to.  Her story lines seem to be the least contrived of all of them.  I do hope the Todd thing is being played up for the cameras and will be smoothed out with a romantic something-or-other next season.  All that being said, I agree with Precious Gem, if they are bringing this no-class, no real talent Mika in next season to double team Christy, I will stop watching.  It’s bad enough that I already can’t stand to look at that arrogant fat-ass bully Tara anymore, with her high pitched fake crying and her ridiculous outfits that she thinks she looks sexy in.  I know she is supposed to be the EP “boss,” but if she pushes the envelope too much with this Mika chick, she’s going to lose viewers.  And if the show starts to circle the drain like the rest of them, she won’t be boss of anything.  Something tells me that all of her other ventures will not be nearly as successful if she tanks this show.

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On 2018-06-07 at 11:14 AM, Madding crowd said:

Why are all the women wearing red eyeshadow in the talking heads parts? Is the show too cheap to buy more than one color. Between that and Terra and Elena’s black roots, it looks low rent.

I agree with you what is up with that wicked red shadow and no doubt this show is a low rent production.  

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I can't stand how Tonya refers to all her women friends as heifers, she says it in a very disrespectful tone and uses the term over and over again.  I am surprised someone hasn't actually called her out on it.  I've never heard women called that before this show. No offence to all the great real heifers out there!

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On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 7:56 AM, Destiny74 said:

I agree.  He should've waited until her liquid diet stage was over.  However, is he not supposed to eat?  He would've been called an ass for cooking anything because Christy is freaking hungry and wants to eat real food but can't.  He could've fried up liver and onions and he still would've been the bad guy.  He could've made a salad and she would've been pissed.  She's struggling and he's her whipping boy.  Problem is, he is sick of being her whipping boy, he's sick of always being to blame for whatever is pissing her off.  When she was waring with Terra he was in the clear.  Now that Terra isn't her enemy, she needs someone to blame for everything...enter Todd.

Then again, it could all be for ratings.  ?

He should have done whatever Christy did while he was in that period of post surgery.  She could eat whatever she wanted, but she didnt.  He could have salads, soup etc. and just be concious of not making stuff that smells amazing.

He seems like an ass

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On 7/5/2018 at 8:29 PM, kassa said:

Pranks are just a way for sadists to act openly while proclaiming innocence.

Definitely! So mean, so inappropriate, and I agree - sadistic.

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On 7/21/2018 at 9:56 AM, Destiny74 said:

I agree.  He should've waited until her liquid diet stage was over.  However, is he not supposed to eat?  He would've been called an ass for cooking anything because Christy is freaking hungry and wants to eat real food but can't.  He could've fried up liver and onions and he still would've been the bad guy.  He could've made a salad and she would've been pissed.  She's struggling and he's her whipping boy.  Problem is, he is sick of being her whipping boy, he's sick of always being to blame for whatever is pissing her off.  When she was waring with Terra he was in the clear.  Now that Terra isn't her enemy, she needs someone to blame for everything...enter Todd.

Then again, it could all be for ratings.  ?

 

I don't know if it's for ratings or real, but the Todd we are seeing now is not the Todd we've been seeing. He got nasty as soon as she mentioned having surgery, so sure she was taking the "easy" way out. First, none of it is easy, surgery or otherwise. Struggling with food addiction has nothing in common with laziness. Besides which, if it's the easy way out for her, how does that not apply to him? She supported him, didn't denigrate him for opting for the surgery, but he fights her on it, then turns around and for the first time in his life, decides to cook, and makes that her favorite food. Sounds like sabotage to me. All the while, he is making comments to her about not finding her attractive and also back to his old eating habits. Not a good look.

Regarding Penny's surgery, I get what it's like to be facing surgery for your child; been there many times. But I think Terra's nuts for not considering it more seriously. The increased pressure and size of the ventricles doesn't just affect mobility, it can affect development and cognition, and result in loss of milestones already gained. Early treatment improves the chance of a good recovery, and lack of treatment may result in death.

If this is the end of the show, it certainly was abrupt. No tied up loose ends, cliffhanger on Christy's marriage, no reunion. To me, it's a ripoff. Our TV listings didn't even say it was a finale of any kind.

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Was hesitant about Brianna's new album but the first song was actually really well done considering all pop is autotuned and shes writing the songs herself, all aside the girl can sing and some of her videos are pretty genuine and heartfelt simple her and keboard.Just saw a clip of her latest video teaser. And it actually sounds great, im a metal musician and generally hate pop. Terra must be foaming at the mouth, Brianna actually might have a decent shot at being the first little person pop star. :0 who knew the girl really had it.good for her!https://m.facebook.com/BrianaReneeFanpage/

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Was that the season finale?  Kinda lame if so.

 

Christy needs to stay out of Tonya and Terra's issues.  Tonya has explained herself and Terra has reacted, Christy should've excused herself and went elsewhere.  Then again, if Terra didn't want anyone else's opinions, she should have had that conversation with Tonya in private.  Terra was throwing all her bile at Christy because she didn't want to throw it at Tonya and risk Tonywa getting mad again.  

Tonya needs to get over this BGM thing.  It's happening, with or without Terra.  If she has a real issue with the name she should either talk to the person heading it (Terra's so called other best friend) or use her social media and outright condemn it.  I don't think Tonya is acting like a woman in many aspects of her life.  The issue with her daughter moving?  Suck it up.  The girl has a master's which means she probably about 25.  Let her live her damn life without your guilt trips. And thinking that Elena didn't come to your launch because she was being shady?  Maybe she really was sick?  I don't know.  Elena can be a shady bitch, but damn!  Tonya needs to go shopping for some big girl panties.

Oh goodie... Mika's moving to LA so her daughters can have a more inclusive upbringing (or just to be on the show next season).  Yippie.  Can't wait.

Autumn is a turd.  Not for getting a tattoo.  The girl is over 18, she can mark her body any way she wants.  My issue is calling her mom out of her girl night to come to the parlor to show her how adult and grown up she is now.  I'm glad Christy didn't give Autumn the satisfaction of throwing a fit.  Aside...why does Autumn know her mom has a tattoo in her private area?  These are things that don't need to be discussed.  Also, it bugs me that she says she's tattooed on her vagina.  I doubt that.  The vagina is interior.  Not only would that hurt like a bitch but I can't imagine an artist wanting to get there for their art.  The world now knows too much about Christy, way too much.

Hope Jasmine is feeling better.  I hope it wasn't super serious and she's better with some rest.

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On 7/21/2018 at 7:56 AM, Destiny74 said:

  Problem is, he is sick of being her whipping boy, he's sick of always being to blame for whatever is pissing her off.  When she was waring with Terra he was in the clear.  Now that Terra isn't her enemy, she needs someone to blame for everything...enter Todd.

Then again, it could all be for ratings.  ?

I truly don't believe Tod is completely in love with Christy. He settled for her, and I remember hearing (during their dating) that he had initially hit on several of the little women, online.  I think his self-esteem was extremely low, and Christy helped him through that. Now that he's on his way to good health/ controlled weight, it's hard for him to even pretend he's totally supportive of Christy. She knows it and I think that's why she always picks at him. Deep down they both know they only settled (although I believe she got the worst hand of the deck).

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On 8/3/2018 at 9:19 PM, Destiny74 said:

 

Oh goodie... Mika's moving to LA so her daughters can have a more inclusive upbringing (or just to be on the show next season).  Yippie.  Can't wait.

This girl is soooooo unlikeable.

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On 3/7/2019 at 7:48 PM, Madding crowd said:

Did anyone see the commercial for the new season coming up? It’s bizarre to say the least. Every time it comes on I think it is a a show about satanism!

Me, too! What the heck? 

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OMG! I thought this crappy franchise had been deservedly canceled but it’s back! Nooo. The only thing worse than knowing I’ll be watching is knowing that I’m going to be the only viewer! Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? 

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27 minutes ago, HamSammich said:

OMG! I thought this crappy franchise had been deservedly canceled but it’s back! Nooo. The only thing worse than knowing I’ll be watching is knowing that I’m going to be the only viewer! Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? 

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3 hours ago, HamSammich said:

OMG! I thought this crappy franchise had been deservedly canceled but it’s back! Nooo. The only thing worse than knowing I’ll be watching is knowing that I’m going to be the only viewer! Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? 

Worry not.  I'll be hate watching and posting.

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28 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Anyone watch the premier?

I watched the rerun of the premiere.  Strangely, the premiere was an hour, and the rerun was only 47 minutes.

Why does "puta" have to be bleeped out?  I'm pretty sure this show has used the word prostitute or whore before.

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22 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:Why does "puta" have to be bleeped out?  I'm pretty sure this show has used the word prostitute or whore before.

Lol right? And really that hurt her feelings? You told a person you pissed in their drink and laughed but being called a puta was crossing a line?  

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I only watched the first few episodes of last season before I gave up and I feel like that might happen this season too.  I never really got to see the awfulness that is Minka, but she has this drunk look on her face 24/7.  I think Jasmine's new chest makes her head look even tinier.  But I think Christy looks great with the weight loss.  Haha @ Elena not getting approved for a loan to do her beauty bar, I know Preston breathed a sigh of relief when that awful business adventure ended.  I really can't stand Terra but do feel bad for her daughter but it's still not gonna make me ever like Terra if that's what the writers are trying to do this season.  Oh and also weren't Jasmine & Chris living paycheck to paycheck and now she can afford a new build and new boobs??  Something doesn't add up. 

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Ugh. 🙄  I'm hate-watching too!  I don't want to sound insensitive, but hasn't Terra ever watched the show "Little People, Big World"???  Poor Zach went through so much when he was a young child, including a few shunt surgeries.  As a mom, she needs to take the drama down a notch and get a little stronger so that she can deal with all of the things that may happen to her kids while they're growing up. I really hope that she acts calmer in front of the kids.  And I can't stand that high-pitched crying/speaking thing that she does.  😵

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Congrats to Christy for her weight loss! Looks like the Christy/Todd breakup stuff will soon be a non issue. I certainly hope so.

It's really too bad Terra waited so long to get the surgery for Penny. She's lost some progress and that may not have happened if Terra had bucked up and done what I'm sure the doctors were urging her to do sooner.

I feel badly about what she is going through with Penny, but one would think it would give her some perspective so she could stop being so petty about that idiotic BGM wine nonsense. The slighted friend wants to let the past be the past, but no, Terra wants to be pissy with everyone. Wish there was a way to dump her butt. Both she and Mika can be gone.

The preview shows there are many horrors to come.

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Oh how could I not mention ...Raise your hand if you were shocked that Elena never started her "Beauty Bar" LOL the woman has never followed through consistently with ANYTHING that she has tried to start since being on this show. Thank god they didn't get money to sink into this idea that was doomed from jump 

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Elena never struck me as a very high energy person, but this season, she's looking downright lethargic, uninterested and plain bored, as if she's in it only for the money,  which they probably need badly with one failed business after another.

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