S15.E12: Nut Allergy

[AttackTurtle]

58 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

@Lura, did you watch Last Chance Kitchen? Brother took a turn for me there.

So agree.  I was going to be so disappointed if he won LCK.  

I love this show & have never missed an episode, but to me the talent took a bit of a dive this year.  I liked a lot of people, but beyond Carrie making the cake in a hole, I never was super excited.   

 

I have ave no problem with them mixing in contestants from past seasons, so long as they’re contestants that are crazy talented. Josie and Grayson coming back were not good choices in the past.

 

I really liked Chris, but boy he let the game get in his head a lot.

[Yeah No]

On 2/24/2018 at 12:22 PM, chiaros said:

Like here?  :-D 

 

Yes, like there, thanks for posting this, it's even more revealing than I remember when blown up like that!  She could have had a nip slip at any time given how loose her dress looks on her right side!

On 2/24/2018 at 4:04 PM, Blonde Gator said:

I thought the dining room was quite lovely in this Ep.  Loved the big painting that was behind a couple of the diners, with the huge pop of orange.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice it at all because of Padma's heaving bosom!

Speaking of heaving bosoms, when I Googled on that I got this page of images.  I noticed that many of the women's breasts are more covered than Padma's and none of them appear to be having dinner in a fine restaurant with Grandma.  ;-D

[bluepiano]

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 9:28 AM, jaybird2 said:

i disagree re bryan and the other chefs but i do agree with you re bryan and michael.  i think this was also the season with jen carolle and mike isabella.  mike isabella was the worst.

Of the seasons I've watched, Mike Isabella will always stand out to me as the most objectionable contestant, by a large margin. Arrogant, smarmy, and a pig to the women contestants during his season. Especially one older woman (whose name I forget) who he mercilessly ridiculed, apparently for the double crime of being female while not being young and cute. Last year on a work trip I stayed at a hotel in D.C. with one of his restaurants, and I was happy to have the chance to boycott it.

Compared to a major league douche like Isabella, Joe S. doesn't even begin to rate. My major impression of him is that he's really immature. That joke about his meat in Padma's mouth is like something a 15 year old would say to sound daring and cool. His bragging about all the pot he's smoked and the illegal foraging are in the same vein. Grow up. You're too old for the adorably naughty little boy act.

Michael Voltaggio also seems to be invested in his particular act, the bad boy gangsta chef.

A number of restaurant servers in the hipsterish city where I live have neck tats, and that kind of grosses me out. They make a person look sickly and not very clean.

I have sympathy for anyone who loses a parent in such a manner, and no doubt the emotions we saw from Joe S. and his Dad were real, but the show harped on it way too much.

Padma still has a long way to go (and a lot more skin to show) before she challenges Giada De Laurentis in the "using cleavage to get attention" category.

Edited February 26, 2018 by bluepiano

[biakbiak]

13 minutes ago, bluepiano said:

Especially one older woman (whose name I forget) who he mercilessly ridiculed, apparently for the double crime of being female while not being young and cute. It pissed me off that he came back to win the TC veterans (or whatever they call it) season, as in addition to being a jerk,

Two things he and Robin, the older female chef who annoyed everyone incluing the affable Kevin, argued a few times, she even mentioned that she liked him a lot, the one that was constantly calling out Robin and making the comments was Eli who was also pudgy, white with dark hair. Second he didn't win the All Star Season, he came in second Richard Blais won. Having eaten at a few of his restaurants I think he is pretty talented.

Joe S. doesn't bother me at all but maybe it's because I know a lot of people like him in SF, once I realized that he had moved to LA recently and had been living in SF previously his personality made since which probably seems like I am disparging SF but not really.

Edited February 26, 2018 by biakbiak

[Lura]

Re Padma's low-cut dress:  I have read numerous times that Hollywood women use double-sided tape to stick their dresses to their skin to prevent slippage.  To save money, maybe Padma and Giada should get together and buy their tape wholesale. A couple of Andy Cohen's housewives might kick in as well.

No, cooksdelight, I did not watch LCK, but I did see a clip of Brother there.  What do you mean when you say that Brother took a turn for you there?

[cooksdelight]

4 hours ago, Lura said:

No, cooksdelight, I did not watch LCK, but I did see a clip of Brother there.  What do you mean when you say that Brother took a turn for you there?

If you go to the LCK thread here, there are links to each episode. I’ll find where it starts and give you a page number.

ETA: @Lura, go to page four and about halfway down is a post by @MerBearHou which starts “Realllly unhappy with one key detail about how tonight’s LCK went down.  Not cool whatsoever by Brother.”

Edited February 26, 2018 by cooksdelight

[noveltylibrary]

On 2/23/2018 at 8:51 AM, Rammchick said:

Once a season I get to say this...

Padma, please pack your breasts and go.

Oh that is so well said!  I came here to comment how she loves to pull them out every chance she gets and how the camera loves to zoom in on them.

On 2/22/2018 at 10:30 PM, annewithaneee said:

Can't wait to see what the ghost of Moustache Joe's mom cooks up next week, will she make it to the finale????

I know this is on the editors, and not Joe himself - I don't like him, I'm not rooting for him, however it does genuinely suck that he lost his mother - but god am I sick of that sob story. I wish reality competition shows would knock this shit off.

I crush on Joe even though he's a pothead.  But what I find curious is he went on and on about it being his mom's dish and his dad called it "Dad's dish".

[AriAu]

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I dislike Sasto because he made bad dishes and still stayed, while people who made several great dishes -- and one bad -- got sent home.  He's an inferior chef (at least on this show)  who should have been cut long ago, instead of remaining at the expense of more talented people, imo.

I agree he could have been sent home other times BUT, and it is a huge but, that happens E V E R Y season and is part of this "game", which does not always identify the best chef, but instead the best cheftestant. Adrienne was on the bottom each of the first 3 weeks, yet here she is...still alive. Tyler got a James Beard nomination and he has been sitting on the sidelines for weeks, something that seems to happen frequently.

While he have had many instances of the best chef(s) rising to the top as the game wore on, (Vegas in particular), we saw undeserving chefs advance all the time, with no better example than Josie surviving while Kristen Kish got the PPYKAG, only to come back from LCK, The judges are supposed to look at each challenge separately and NOT take into account past performance, and difficult as that may be, it does come into play.

That being said, to me, Mustache Joe comes off as kinda inoffensive compared to other "villains"/undeserving "survivors" like Josie, Lisa Frenandez (Chicago), Spike, Ilan Hall, Philip etc.. He's not one of my favorites, but he doesn't come off as a jerk and clearly, he has made some very good dishes-he has a bunch of wins

Edited February 26, 2018 by AriAu

[iggysaurus]

On 2/23/2018 at 10:15 PM, Yeah No said:

Her breasts may be beautiful but I'd prefer not to have to see so much of them at the dinner table with everyone's parents and grandparents there.

I'm not really a huge Padma fan or anything, but this sentence just jumps out at me as being odd ... I mean why do we (as a culture) classify breasts as being something vulgar and something that should not be "at the dinner table with grandparents present"? It's just anatomy.  All the comments about it being inappropriate for Padma to show cleavage have the underlying sentiment of breasts being inherently dirty, bad, something not meant to be viewed by certain people.  It calls to mind the way that we (Americans) are so uptight about nudity in general and think it's the end of the world if a woman's breast were to be exposed on live TV (like the Janet Jackson superbowl controversy years ago).  It's silly. Just my opinion. 

[cooksdelight]

Breasts are a feeding vessel for little ones. Pooching them out at the dinner table is..... well.... considered sort of slutty (in my neck of the woods, that is). If I were sitting at a large table, dressed nicely but modest, and a woman’s boobs were out there, it might be hard to concentrate on one’s plate. But hey, Padma is beautiful and I’d never begrudge her wanting to go all out. Just not at the dinner table.

[FormerMod-a1]

I'm pretty sure "parents" and "grandparents" have seen breasts before, both clothes and unclothed.  That said, I barely noticed beyond thinking Padma looked good, in general.

What I really wanted was to taste all the food.  It all looked so good.  I might have to try my hand at deconstructed gumbo.

[xtwheeler]

31 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:

Breasts are a feeding vessel for little ones. Pooching them out at the dinner table is..... well.... considered sort of slutty (in my neck of the woods, that is). If I were sitting at a large table, dressed nicely but modest, and a woman’s boobs were out there, it might be hard to concentrate on one’s plate. But hey, Padma is beautiful and I’d never begrudge her wanting to go all out. Just not at the dinner table.

To me, this seems more like a "you" issue than a "her" issue. (not "you" specifically, necessarily.) One's inability to keep one's eyes under control is one's own issue, not the owner of whatever item or body part, so long as not actually obscene, that is drawing one's attention. If someone in a dining room had an attention-getting coif, I wouldn't expect them to be escorted out if other diners couldn't keep from staring at it. Perhaps the food or dining companions should be more engaging, or our teachers' lessons of "keep your eyes on your own papers" should have taken better hold. A beautiful woman is not responsible for your inability to direct your attention away from her. Padma is a beautiful woman, whose career has often been based on being beautiful and little else (as a model). If she wants to display being beautiful, I have no problem with that.

[Blonde Gator]

22 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

To me, this seems more like a "you" issue than a "her" issue. (not "you" specifically, necessarily.) One's inability to keep one's eyes under control is one's own issue, not the owner of whatever item or body part, so long as not actually obscene, that is drawing one's attention. If someone in a dining room had an attention-getting coif, I wouldn't expect them to be escorted out if other diners couldn't keep from staring at it. Perhaps the food or dining companions should be more engaging, or our teachers' lessons of "keep your eyes on your own papers" should have taken better hold. A beautiful woman is not responsible for your inability to direct your attention away from her. Padma is a beautiful woman, whose career has often been based on being beautiful and little else (as a model). If she wants to display being beautiful, I have no problem with that.

Padma flaunting her assets in an inappropriate setting is just bad manners.    It's one thing on a finale like in the Bahamas at a beach luncheon.  But this was not that.

[dleighg]

Pretending that there aren't certain expectations for what one wears where is silly. One generally dresses differently for a visit to the Oval Office, to the Met Opera, to a wedding, to a funeral, to a picnic, to the beach. Of COURSE there's no law against defying those expectations, but it's not wrong for people to "judge." We may have different opinions on where the lines are (that's what makes the world go around).

Edited February 26, 2018 by dleighg

[xtwheeler]

2 hours ago, Blonde Gator said:

Padma flaunting her assets in an inappropriate setting is just bad manners.    It's one thing on a finale like in the Bahamas at a beach luncheon.  But this was not that.

 

2 hours ago, dleighg said:

Pretending that there aren't certain expectations for what one wears where is silly. One generally dresses differently for a visit to the Oval Office, to the Met Opera, to a wedding, to a funeral, to a picnic, to the beach. Of COURSE there's no law against defying those expectations, but it's not wrong for people to "judge." We may have different opinions on where the lines are (that's what makes the world go around).

"Appropriateness" is very much in flux these days. In my opinion, Padma's dress wouldn't be out of place out to dinner in New York, LA, SF, Vegas, etc. I suppose in a state like Colorado and a town like Telluride that may be different, but they're also rich and famous people hosting a TV show. My grandpa, for one, would have been thrilled!

My problem is blaming one's own gawking on the subject of the gawking. If you are so vehement about Padma taking responsibility for "appropriateness" of her dress, please take responsibility for directing your own eyeballs. 

YMMV, as always, and I appreciate the spirited but polite discourse. 

[Blonde Gator]

11 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

 

"Appropriateness" is very much in flux these days. In my opinion, Padma's dress wouldn't be out of place out to dinner in New York, LA, SF, Vegas, etc. I suppose in a state like Colorado and a town like Telluride that may be different, but they're also rich and famous people hosting a TV show. My grandpa, for one, would have been thrilled!

My problem is blaming one's own gawking on the subject of the gawking. If you are so vehement about Padma taking responsibility for "appropriateness" of her dress, please take responsibility for directing your own eyeballs. 

YMMV, as always, and I appreciate the spirited but polite discourse. 

For me, it's more of a matter of respect.

The point is, she wasn't on a red carpet, nor in NYC, nor with celebrity pals.  Inappropriate is inappropriate.  Just as sneakers were inappropriate for dinner at the Governor's mansion, a barely there dress for a family style challenge also reaches that level.    I'm neither fascinated nor appalled by Padma's boobs.  I generally find Padma's wardrobe choices interesting, but disapprove of her choice in this challenge.   I'd have been embarrassed if she'd been  my guest.

[The Solution]

3 hours ago, Blonde Gator said:

Padma flaunting her assets in an inappropriate setting is just bad manners.    It's one thing on a finale like in the Bahamas at a beach luncheon.  But this was not that.

In my humble opinion, which just happens to be correct, it would be bad manners for Padma to have those lovely breasts and NOT flaunt them. She was at a sophisticated dinner, not a Shaker prayer meeting.

My Italian nonna used to dress like that and YES at the dinner table. She was a beautiful and sophisticated woman.

Edited February 27, 2018 by The Solution
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[LeighLeigh]

Regarding Brother: he was a competitor who was competing in a competition. It's time to cut him some slack. Let's all let go of the pearls we are clutching and admit that this wouldn't have even registered in a season with Dale or Mike Isabella, or any character edited to be the bad guy.

Brother brought a lot of entertainment to his episodes (his corn rows, ManDingo, his street-kid from the hood backstory). I was glad he was on my tv screen every Thursday. He is not the bad guy that he was edited to be.

Regarding Sasto: I sense naïveté. He is making rookie mistakes divulging too much in his confessionals that others made years ago. He admitted to never watching an episode of Top Chef. Jim Smith (season 14) stated that he watched every episode to prepare for his season. Bruce sought advice from Brooke and Mike V.  Casey told Jim to not show any reaction because the editors will show it in any random episode. Joe S. walked in kinda blind..., but eager and talented. I like the kid and enjoyed him on my screen each week as well.

Regarding Padma's boobage: Maybe I'm becoming a prude in my old age. It was not the time or place for them to be on display like that. Can't the people who choose her clothes try harder? You can be elegant and sophisticated without falling out of your dress.

Only three more days until Padma tops this outfit with her Cher impersonation.

Edited February 27, 2018 by LeighLeigh

[JES004]

On 2/24/2018 at 9:35 PM, Jazzhands said:

Same. However, I did get the recipe for and make the pepperoni sauce that was such a hit, and it was awfully good. 

I got to sample his Thai Gazpacho when they had a Top Chef tour bus stop at Universal Studios.  It was delicious. Seriously delicious. I asked for the recipe, but never got it (he told me to send him an email).  

[jaybird2]

21 hours ago, bluepiano said:

Of the seasons I've watched, Mike Isabella will always stand out to me as the most objectionable contestant, by a large margin. Arrogant, smarmy, and a pig to the women contestants during his season. Especially one older woman (whose name I forget) who he mercilessly ridiculed, apparently for the double crime of being female while not being young and cute. Last year on a work trip I stayed at a hotel in D.C. with one of his restaurants, and I was happy to have the chance to boycott it.

Compared to a major league douche like Isabella, Joe S. doesn't even begin to rate. My major impression of him is that he's really immature. That joke about his meat in Padma's mouth is like something a 15 year old would say to sound daring and cool. His bragging about all the pot he's smoked and the illegal foraging are in the same vein. Grow up. You're too old for the adorably naughty little boy act.

Michael Voltaggio also seems to be invested in his particular act, the bad boy gangsta chef.

A number of restaurant servers in the hipsterish city where I live have neck tats, and that kind of grosses me out. They make a person look sickly and not very clean.

I have sympathy for anyone who loses a parent in such a manner, and no doubt the emotions we saw from Joe S. and his Dad were real, but the show harped on it way too much.

Padma still has a long way to go (and a lot more skin to show) before she challenges Giada De Laurentis in the "using cleavage to get attention" category.

ditto!

[LennieBriscoe]

4 hours ago, The Solution said:

She was at a sophisticated dinner, not a Shaker prayer meeting.

And here I thought it was Grandma's Sunday "Gravy" and Grandpa's Pigs' Feet Supper for Twelve. THEN there was the "elevation" challenge. I think Padma has decided "What's good for Giada is good for me."

Edited February 27, 2018 by LennieBriscoe

[FinnishViewer]

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Grandma's Sunday "Gravy" and Grandpa's Pigs' Feet Supper for Twelve

If there were children at the dinner I could see, how displaying cleavage is inappropriate, but there weren't any children. Are granpa's and grandma's now considered to be in the same group as kids, where displaying cleavage is a no-no?

[Nidratime]

The fact that Padma's outfit is such a topic of conversation tells us that it was the focus rather than her opinions about the food. It definitely wore her.

In any event, I agree with the people who are annoyed by Joe S. because he should've been long gone for putting out a few rounds of mediocre dishes in the middle of the season while chefs who made one mistake were sent packing. As for this particular episode, I get it's the emotional family-centered one, but geez they milked his reactions to his mother's passing. It was over-the-top to the point of discomfort, making me feel like his advancement on the show is more about *the drama* than about the food.

[FormerMod-a1]

If I thought someone stayed in a competition longer than they should have - i.e. should have been cut for a bad dish - I'd blame the judges and not the contestant.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[potatoradio]

What does it say about me that I look past the peek a boo, slip a nip cleavage and, instead, wonder why Graham has fashioned a jacket out of the wallpaper?

 

 

Never mind, I don't want to know what that says. 

I remember the Volt/Yukon Cornelius/Crazy Jen season as a depressing parade of self-involved douchebags with a few exceptions. Talented douchebags, yes, but ye gads, the egos done stunk up my living room. For the record, I think Eli was worse than Izabella for the jag-off prize. Izabella was immature and kinda dumb. Eli was fucking mean. A bitter, gnarled up dude who just never got over the world not throwing open its arms for him and his wonderfulness. Robin was not exactly a treasure, I'm sure, but Eli struck me as one of those bandwagon bullies who happily plays wingman to anyone tearing someone else down.

Anyway, I guess this is not the season for Top Toast. I thought for sure Carrie was getting the Colicchio-Brooke edit. She'll be back on All Stars before you can say, "how about toast?"

[Nidratime]

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If I thought someone stayed in a competition longer than they should have - i.e. should have been cut for a bad dish - I'd blame the judges and not the contestant.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

I blame them all. Joe was being pretty cocky back then, undeservedly. But now he's getting a more favorable edit, so I'm assuming he wins.

My favorite season was 3. I just loved Hung, but I haven't heard much about him since then.

Edited February 27, 2018 by Nidratime

[cooksdelight]

31 minutes ago, aquarian1 said:

If I thought someone stayed in a competition longer than they should have - i.e. should have been cut for a bad dish - I'd blame the judges and not the contestant.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

I blame producers, Tom at the head of the list. He has already decided the few he wants to make it to the end before the show starts. There’s an interesting article posted in the MasterChef forum that really lays it all out about how food competition shows are run.

[Yeah No]

19 hours ago, iggysaurus said:

I'm not really a huge Padma fan or anything, but this sentence just jumps out at me as being odd ... I mean why do we (as a culture) classify breasts as being something vulgar and something that should not be "at the dinner table with grandparents present"? It's just anatomy.  All the comments about it being inappropriate for Padma to show cleavage have the underlying sentiment of breasts being inherently dirty, bad, something not meant to be viewed by certain people.  It calls to mind the way that we (Americans) are so uptight about nudity in general and think it's the end of the world if a woman's breast were to be exposed on live TV (like the Janet Jackson superbowl controversy years ago).  It's silly. Just my opinion. 

It's not because I think they're inherently "dirty", it's for the same reason I wouldn't want to see the mens' balls in too tight pants showcased for the world to see while I'm dining in a fine restaurant, (and I think some would be surprised at the hue and cry over that among supposedly "enlightened" people if that ever became a trend).  Some parts of human anatomy are in my opinion only for personal consumption or in venues where that kind of clothing is more appropriate.  Padma's top in this scene would even be provocative on most beaches, although entirely appropriate there.  I agree with the other posts to the effect that it's more about the appropriateness of an outfit for the venue than anything else.  I'm not offended by Padma's breasts, just think the choice of wardrobe for that venue was misplaced.

15 hours ago, xtwheeler said:

"Appropriateness" is very much in flux these days. In my opinion, Padma's dress wouldn't be out of place out to dinner in New York, LA, SF, Vegas, etc. I suppose in a state like Colorado and a town like Telluride that may be different, but they're also rich and famous people hosting a TV show. My grandpa, for one, would have been thrilled!

I eat in NYC on a regular basis and that top as she wore it would be out of place in most fine restaurants there.  I think Eric Ripert would have a coronary!  Of course if she ate at more casual establishments where young people go at night that would probably not be out of place.  But generally most women don't dress that uncovered in NY, and even those that do it only do it at extremely casual or nightclub venues or in the park on hot summer days.

[Lura]

Ahhhh, cooksdelight, now that I've read about Brother's lack of helpfulness to one of my favorites from the show (Tu), I have a different perspective on his character, especially his lack of generosity.  I really appreciate your taking the time to give directions to the comments about Brother. 

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Re Padma, Giada, et al:  I   think that we're all accustomed to seeing cleavage and barely bat an eye at it.  Then, to me, there's a step beyond cleavage which involves baring most of the breasts and teasingly hiding the nipple.  That, I don't like.

There's another aspect to it, and that is that many of those breasts are surgically enhanced, and the attitude of many with faux breasts is "I paid for them; I'll show them off if I want to!"

Where's the first place a woman generally loses weight when she diets?  Her chest.  Therefore, in many cases, lots of show biz women have rail thin arms, legs and bodies but ample breasts.  Are they trying to fool us into thinking that they're genetically and anatomically different from the rest of us?  Baloney!  Even if they don't elect to buy C or D cups, lots of them are happy with nice, rounded B cups so they don't look top-heavy.

I'm old-fashioned in my thinking.  I say, "Cover them up unless you're going to a nightclub.  If you're going out to dinner and nearly spilling out of your bodice, I'm going to be tempted to stand up, walk over to your chair, and tie my napkin around your neck, letting most of it cover your boobs.  When we're all finished eating, you may remove the napkin and strip back down again."  I've never cared for show-offs.

All of this is IMHO, and I hope I haven't come across as a know-it-all.  I don't care for them, either!  Everyone has a different opinion. 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Lura
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[LeighLeigh]

@Lura: Don't change your mind about Brother! He has defended himself on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and everywhere else. Tu asked him a question, Brother answered. The editors placed an answer to a different question in its place (beside the rabbit).

Brother has said over and over that he signed a waiver that allows Top Chef to represent him how they wish. Someone posted a copy of the application with the waiver. 

The editors had to create drama in an otherwise boring season. Bravo milked the drama they manipulated (wrap gate) in their promos in all forms of social media.

We admit that JoeSasto's grieving edit is manipulating us to root for him, why can't we admit that we were equally manipulated to hate Brother?

Edited February 27, 2018 by LeighLeigh

[Yeah No]

19 hours ago, xtwheeler said:

To me, this seems more like a "you" issue than a "her" issue. (not "you" specifically, necessarily.) One's inability to keep one's eyes under control is one's own issue, not the owner of whatever item or body part, so long as not actually obscene, that is drawing one's attention. If someone in a dining room had an attention-getting coif, I wouldn't expect them to be escorted out if other diners couldn't keep from staring at it. Perhaps the food or dining companions should be more engaging, or our teachers' lessons of "keep your eyes on your own papers" should have taken better hold. A beautiful woman is not responsible for your inability to direct your attention away from her. Padma is a beautiful woman, whose career has often been based on being beautiful and little else (as a model). If she wants to display being beautiful, I have no problem with that.

There have been a few well known psychological studies that have shown that the typical human response to what is commonly accepted as sexual stimuli is not under our control.  People that were shown what most people would consider sexually provocative photos of other people had marked physiological responses that even they at times didn't realize they were having.  I think that it definitely makes a difference where a person should dress to elicit that kind of reaction in anyone.  Perhaps on the beach in the Caribbean would be an OK place for that but not at Daniel Boulud's restaurant.  At least I would not want to experience such a reaction as a result of a provocative outfit when out to a fine restaurant, nor would I want my husband to have one.  Note that there is a very huge difference between having that kind of reaction and being motivated to commit rape or other sexual abuse.  A woman has a right to wear that kind of clothing without having to cater to the abnormal people that can't keep their behavior in check.  If a man used Padma's outfit as an excuse for sexual assault (as in "her outfit made me do it") that is not acceptable because feelings are one thing but behavior is another, and most people believe that behavior is controllable.  I also think a person should use discretion based on how their clothing might make others feel.  Respect for others should prevail.  Even if I saw nothing wrong with wearing an outfit at a certain venue, if 50% of people out there did I would think twice about wearing it out of respect for their feelings.

[The Solution]

39 minutes ago, Lura said:

I'm old-fashioned in my thinking.  I say, "Cover them up unless you're going to a nightclub.  If you're going out to dinner and nearly spilling out of your bodice, I'm going to be tempted to stand up, walk over to your chair, and tie my napkin around your neck, letting most of it cover your boobs.  When we're all finished eating, you may remove the napkin and strip back down again."  I've never cared for show-offs.

I'd much rather live in my world, where Padma's beautiful outfit and person are appropriate, than your world, where the above-quoted appalling behavior is appropriate.

[Lura]

27 minutes ago, LeighLeigh said:

@Lura: Don't change your mind about Brother!

Thank you, LeighLeigh.  There's a lot here that I didn't know, and it shows us not always to believe what we think we see.  That seems very unfortunate to have happened to Brother.  I'm very glad that you posted it because it makes a difference.  It sounds like a person may take a big chance when they go on a show like this and have to hope for a good edit.

[cooksdelight]

If Brother got a bad edit, he did something to piss production off. Or Tom. They don’t do that sort of thing unless someone was really getting on someone’s last nerve.

Maybe we need a new thread, “Padma’s Boobs: Show ‘Em or Not?”

[Lura]

13 minutes ago, The Solution said:

I'd much rather live in my world, where Padma's beautiful outfit and person are appropriate, than your world, where the above-quoted appalling behavior is appropriate.

You didn't read my words carefully.  I said that I would be tempted to cover her up, not that I would!  I do not appreciate being accused of sanctioning appalling behavior in my world.  I value good manners, among other things, and I think they're what separate humans from animals.  There is nothing wrong with admiring those qualities, IMHO, nor is there anything wrong with believing that there's a time and a place for everything.

I'm glad that you're happy living in your world.  That's as it should be. 

[FormerMod-a1]

OK.  The "breasts" conversation has gone on long enough.  Everyone has said their piece (including me) and no one is going to change their minds.  Time to move on.

[Eulipian 5k]

Thanks for the mammaries, now back to a classy discussion of the proper way to slice, dice, and grind Bulls Balls.

[Lura]

3 hours ago, Eulipian 5k said:

Thanks for the mammaries, now back to a classy discussion of the proper way to slice, dice, and grind Bulls Balls.

I'd heard of Rocky Mountain Oysters before, but I'd never seen them.  They're a handful, aren't they?  The chefs skinned them like they did it every day.  Our neighbor watched the show with his wife and now claims he has an inferiority complex.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Lura
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[chiaros]

21 hours ago, LeighLeigh said:

The editors placed an answer to a different question in its place (beside the rabbit).

Do you have a link to proof of this? Did Brother Love state categorically that the "besides the rabbit" was the answer to a different question? If he did, could you post the link to where he said it?  Thanks.

[LeighLeigh]

To Chiaros: yes, Brother did indeed say that. I believe that it was on the Top Chef Facebook page in a response to a negative comment someone made. It could also be on Instagram.

I may only have time to search later today or this evening.

[LeighLeigh]

Quick Instagram search: look at a photo of Brother with both arms out while pointing his fingers dated January 11. He talks about signing paperwork and not being in control of how they portray you.

I will look more tonight.

[Wings]

On 2/27/2018 at 8:58 AM, cooksdelight said:

I blame producers, Tom at the head of the list. He has already decided the few he wants to make it to the end before the show starts. There’s an interesting article posted in the MasterChef forum that really lays it all out about how food competition shows are run.

The article is about casting home cooks for MC.  Sounds like ridiculously involved testing procedure. 

TC is very different.  

I think many if not all are recruited on TC.  They either own their own restaurant or executive chef in another.  Chrissy is from Denver and that was no coincidence. 

I can believe once the filming is underway favorites emerge and the judges may cut them some slack on a mistake because they see the potential to win, maybe. 

It is a stretch for me to believe the winner is chosen before the show begins. What if the chosen one really fucks up and makes the worst dish?  

You know many chefs on FB so I am sure they have tales to tell and some of them might be sour grapes, no? 

I get it that editing can mislead like in the case of Brother and the plastic wrap.  I am talking about pre determined winners. 

Edited February 28, 2018 by Wings

[cooksdelight]

29 minutes ago, Wings said:

TC is very different.

Not really, the process for weeding out the contestants and who gets in is very much the same. The friends I have who made it onto the show are very mum about everything, they could face horrendous fines if they talk. They ALL have media reps who filter the questions/answers before releasing them to the press.  The woman who wrote the article about MasterChef never signed the NDA and someone let that slip through the cracks. 

Tom picks who he thinks is going to be the winner based on lots of factors.... restaurant reviews, how savvy the chef is with promoting himself, etc. He is famous for overlooking things... and Last Chance Kitchen is his baby for letting who he thinks should be back in the competition have an open door. Tom also looks at daily posts on social media. Many thought Joe Flamm got a bum rap. Voila!

[Wings]

I am bringing this article over from MC.  I have a hard time believing TC does anything close to this.  Not saying they don’t have a process, just not this one. There is no need. 

https://www.salon.com/2018/02/17/i-am-a-master-chef-survivor/

i totally believe Tom does do what you said and I am fine with that.  But I do question that he picks a winner before it starts.  

The show is completed before we see it so Tom learning some were upset about Flams elimination on SM couldn’t have happened.  Checking their restaurant reviews makes sense though. 

Edited February 28, 2018 by Wings

[Eulipian 5k]

16 hours ago, Lura said:

I'd heard of Rocky Mountain Oysters before, but I'd never seen them.  They're a handful, aren't they?  The chefs skinned them like they did it every day. 

I'm sorry, but on re-watch I had to keep my knees closed, esp after Carrie went to the grinder. Now, would you like to know how they get those Broncos to buck so wildly at rodeos?

[chiaros]

1 hour ago, LeighLeigh said:

To Chiaros: yes, Brother did indeed say that. I believe that it was on the Top Chef Facebook page in a response to a negative comment someone made. It could also be on Instagram.

I may only have time to search later today or this evening.

That Brother Love said "it's behind the rabbit" (or besides the rabbit) is not in question.

1 hour ago, LeighLeigh said:

Quick Instagram search: look at a photo of Brother with both arms out while pointing his fingers dated January 11. He talks about signing paperwork and not being in control of how they portray you.

I will look more tonight.

Just to be clear: I am asking for clear evidence that Brother Love SAID that the "it's behind the rabbit" answer was in response to ANOTHER question other than where than where the plastic wrap was. "Inferences" or "he must have said that because of this..." is not what I am asking for.

It was I who posted that snippet from the sign-on paperwork stating that they had the right to edit how you appeared. But I also pointed out that the editors would have only the material you CHOSE to give them to work with, and that any cheftestant on this show must know by now that any utterance of theirs or any action in any way shape or form if within sight of a camera or microphone would be recorded and would be fair game for the editors.

That Brother Love would indicate his limitations from discussing how he was portrayed does not limit his defense of his statements (that "rabbit" thing, for example) being taken out of context. His contract and sign-on agreement prevents him from suing the Magic Elves, as others have pointed out, that's all.

So – if he has repudiated his "it's behind the rabbit" as the answer to a different question, I would like very much to see where he did so. Thanks in advance.

Edited February 28, 2018 by chiaros

[Rahul]

I don't watch LCK so I am not following much of this discussion. Can someone kindly expound on this brouhaha featuring Brother?

[dleighg]

As presented, Tu wanted plastic wrap to make some kind of roulade thing. He couldn't find it. Brother (might have said in response) it's behind the rabbit (making fun of Tu's going home on a rabbit dish). Later Brother was shown with the plastic wrap on his station (I don't think it was there when Tu asked; I think he found it later). Also by that time it seems likely that Tu had figured out some other solution. So depending, you can believe that Brother intentionally "hid" the wrap, or not. I don't really care at this point. 

[Rahul]

Thanks for the explanation, dleighg.

[Wings]

So tomorrow night they have to make a dish for 200 people and one goes.   Next week it is a 3 or 4 course meal for the judges as usual.  Where does catching fish fit in?   No more QFs right?