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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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Ijustwantsomechips
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Maybe Jana needs her own thread as a token of the respect she’ll never garner as a single woman in Gothardland.  

andromeda331
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How about both hop in the plane close the door really quickly and fly off.  Abbie: "Where are we going?" JD: Cayman Islands. We're elope. And we're not coming back! Abbie: Wait we need

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Wow, so this is what, the fourth guy to publicly release a statement denying involvement with Jana? That must be doing wonders for her self-esteem.  These guys are starting to piss me off, though

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10 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Sooooo, is Jana hoping to get a sponsorship from GMC or something? 

Can you even imagine being a single 29 year old and not having to work your butt off in order to afford your car payment and rent?  Still living at home, fine, but what parent just gives their adult kids new cars?  I know rich parents will buy their kids' first cars, but most do not!

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58 minutes ago, louannems said:

Can you even imagine being a single 29 year old and not having to work your butt off in order to afford your car payment and rent?  Still living at home, fine, but what parent just gives their adult kids new cars?  I know rich parents will buy their kids' first cars, but most do not!

Well, I suppose one could argue that Jana has been working her butt off since she was a pre-teen with little choice in the matter.  If Jim Bob did buy her that vehicle she certainly has earned it.  

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Temperance

Temperance

7 minutes ago, louannems said:

Can you even imagine being a single 29 year old and not having to work your butt off in order to afford your car payment and rent?  Still living at home, fine, but what parent just gives their adult kids new cars?  I know rich parents will buy their kids' first cars, but most do not!

In my hometown, it wasn't just rich parents who bought their kids cars.  Anyway, I would say Jana has been working for her parents for a long time providing child care, filming the tv show, etc. 

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JoanArc

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Wow, I wonder why GMC picked Jana? Because of her hard workingwoman image? Because she has the least baggage of the sisters? Isn't Jana supposed to tout the virtues of buy used, especially cars. You know, her family's livelihood. Perhaps she's blackmailing Boob, and but good!

Just something else for Jessa to fume over. A new car! No fair.

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Lunera

Lunera

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

Wow, I wonder why GMC picked Jana? Because of her hard workingwoman image? Because she has the least baggage of the sisters? Isn't Jana supposed to tout the virtues of buy used, especially cars. You know, her family's livelihood. Perhaps she's blackmailing Boob, and but good!

Just something else for Jessa to fume over. A new car! No fair.

It's not an actual sponsorship. Sometimes people post pictures of products and tag the company in hopes of getting featured on their page or getting free stuff. Such a strange thing for her to do, I don't think I've ever seen her drive a car.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

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2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Oh, I see on insta Jana had previously been using pallet wood in the soil around her vegetable garden. Pallet wood has arsenic in it. This explains a few things...

Some pallet wood is infused with a number of horrible things, but there are codes on it, apparently, which let you know the origins and what it might have been treated with. A good amount is just fine for home/garden uses.

That doesn't mean that your comment might not be apt, though!

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JoanArc

JoanArc

9 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Some pallet wood is infused with a number of horrible things, but there are codes on it, apparently, which let you know the origins and what it might have been treated with. A good amount is just fine for home/garden uses.

That doesn't mean that your comment might not be apt, though!

Were going with the fact that she checked the codes? Seriously?

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Scarlett45

Scarlett45

On 4/23/2019 at 9:17 PM, louannems said:

Can you even imagine being a single 29 year old and not having to work your butt off in order to afford your car payment and rent?  Still living at home, fine, but what parent just gives their adult kids new cars?  I know rich parents will buy their kids' first cars, but most do not!

I think it’s more common to buy a kid a car than let them live at home until they are 29!! I’m an attorney and I’m still driving the car my Mom bought me in college because it’s paid for, I don’t finance cars and I’d rather take vacations.

In Jana’s situation she is not a dependent being but basically RUNS the household. She is a nanny, housekeeper, errand girl, decorator etc etc, she’s more than earned that car and everything else given to her. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I think it’s more common to buy a kid a car than let them live at home until they are 29!! I’m an attorney and I’m still driving the car my Mom bought me in college because it’s paid for, I don’t finance cars and I’d rather take vacations.

In Jana’s situation she is not a dependent being but basically RUNS the household. She is a nanny, housekeeper, errand girl, decorator etc etc, she’s more than earned that car and everything else given to her. 

Exactly.

Thus, this is really more of a company car than a personal car. I seriously doubt that Jana does much -- if any! --  driving for her own pleasure or even for errands that relate only to herself.

All this decorating and gardening and crap she does improves (slightly) the look of her parents' house -- to keep up their damn appearances for tv and other reputational purposes. And how many actual friends does Jana have (especially if you subtract from calculation the ones who have apparently been indentured servants in her parents' house -- making them more like cellmates than friends, in my opinion)?

If you barely drive "your" car anywhere except to shop for the family at Walmart or Lowes and then turn right back around and, at age 29, return to your parents' house for the night....every blasted day and night...it's "your" car in name only, seems to me.

And the possibility that it's Jana's "choice" to stay at the TTH forever is pretty meaningless, in my opinion. Since none of the Duggarlings leave the TTH until they marry -- and even then virtually all stay in close proximity and continue to be employed by the TTH bosses and only by the TTH bosses unless they're female and a male spouse takes them elsewhere -- I expect that "choice" has little to do with why any of the Duggarlings, including Jana, eternally hang around there.

Somehow their tiny minds have been coerced into believing that, plain and simple, "choosing" to leave -- or pursuing their own paths in any way, like living at the TTH but attending classes or working an entry-level job for someone other than Jim Bob in preparation for leaving -- isn't an option that's available to them. 

Jana works at the TTH the way a robot works someplace. The robot doesn't go to its own place for the night or for the weekend. And Jana drives a company car to do company jobs and returns it to the company lot as soon as she's finished a job. When the facts are examined, I think that's pretty much what it comes down to. 

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Minivanessa

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JB is in the car bizness and has been pretty much all his life, AFAIK. I would be very surprised if any of the family cars were bought at retail. He probably gets good deals on cars at auctions and other places, including late model SUVs. I'm sure he's the go-to when anyone in the family wants/needs to get a vehicle. It also wouldn't surprise me if those vehicles, regardless of which Duggarling drives them, were titled to one of the Duggar business entities, unless there's some advantage to having them titled differently. 

IOW, Jana driving a nice SUV is not news. First, it's small-town Arkansas, where everybody drives from the earliest possible age, including women, and including Duggar daughters. Second, see above: the Duggars are in the car biz.

It's nice of Jana to plug her GMC vehicle on SM, but I doubt she's got a deal with GMC to do so. 

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Jana is no different than most kids who simply follow the family script, her script is more unfortunate than many others though and less typical in this era.

Most kids do what they know when they're growing into adulthood whether it be the college track, learning a trade or working the first entry level job they can get and moving up in their jobs or bouncing from one entry level position to another.

I'm guessing there's many a young adult boomeranger living in their parents' home, saddled with college debt, working a job 'beneath' their education wondering what happened. They did what they were 'supposed' to do and things didn't happen the way they thought they would.

Life happens so fast for everyone and though many think they're living intentional lives often times they find out much later they're not.

It's too bad Jana's family script is backwards and judgmental, but in the scheme of things, she doesn't have it that bad. 

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JoanArc

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If Anne Bates comments are deleted, then it's true. The show must go on! Is this another teenage marriage?

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It's nice of Jana to plug her GMC vehicle on SM, but I doubt she's got a deal with GMC to do so. 

When do you ever see stuff like that on 'professional'/popular SM accounts that isn't somehow a front? Virtually never.

"The GMC Arcadia is great for accidentally running over your little brother. Not that I'm jealous or anything. It's also good driving home after you've raked up chicken crap all day."

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Temperance

Temperance

7 hours ago, JoanArc said:

If Anne Bates comments are deleted, then it's true. The show must go on! Is this another teenage marriage?

If this is real, then it's the first marriage where both parties are teens. Josh and Anna were twenty. Jessa married teenage Ben. Austin, Joe, and Si married teen brides. (All of whom were 19.) 

I still don't entirely believe it. Who is Anne Bates and how does she know the family? That photo was so small it could be anybody in it. 

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15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jana is no different than most kids who simply follow the family script, her script is more unfortunate than many others though and less typical in this era.

Most kids do what they know when they're growing into adulthood whether it be the college track, learning a trade or working the first entry level job they can get and moving up in their jobs or bouncing from one entry level position to another.

I'm guessing there's many a young adult boomeranger living in their parents' home, saddled with college debt, working a job 'beneath' their education wondering what happened. They did what they were 'supposed' to do and things didn't happen the way they thought they would.

Life happens so fast for everyone and though many think they're living intentional lives often times they find out much later they're not.

It's too bad Jana's family script is backwards and judgmental, but in the scheme of things, she doesn't have it that bad. 

Yeah, I get what you're saying. And to some degree I agree with it! 

But to me there's also a huge and crucial difference between the Duggarlings and the boomerangers. 

The boomerangers are back. And they're back after having first had the nerve, the sense of autonomy, the sense that they could to some extent navigate the wider world, in many cases an ambition or hope about what they could do there.....

And their parents believed their kids were free to grow up into full-fledged adults, adults who could make their own decisions and choices, and they supported the kids in at least some of those decisions and showed and, in most cases, still show faith that the kids will eventually navigate the world and that the world is navigable, even though sometimes there are problems.

And now that the boomerangers are back -- Yes, they're bruised and confused at this point -- but they've learned something from the experience, they'll continue to learn from it, and almost all of them will still have enough nerve and sense that they're free autonomous individuals to go out again.  And eventually most of them will have a good experience on their own. 

The Duggars,  by contrast, have now produced 12 adult kids -- 7 of them males -- and not a single one has felt free enough, autonomous enough, ambitious enough, comfortable with people other than their parents, or brave enough to go out on their own -- even to take a single class at community college or take a job with someone who isn't their father.

 And -- flip side of this -- it's quite plain that their parents -- in many many ways -- actively and persistently discouraged their kids from feeling like autonomous individuals, from having any hope that they'll ever be autonomous individuals, from feeling they have any right to make plans of their own or have hopes and ambitions of their own choosing, from having any trust that they could live among the wider population and not be contaminated and even possibly attacked by the people in the world, and MORE. 

And something is coming, eventually, that's going to make it all even worse for the Duggarlings, in my opinion.

The Duggarlings too are going to have to grapple with economic realities eventually. At some point the show will end, and JB and M either will be unable or unwilling or both to support the then-dozens of Duggarlings and Duggarlings Two who've been living in the sheltered compound in fear of the world and unaware of their own potential autonomy all this time. 

The money will run out. And the Duggarlings will have to grapple with the same boomeranging effect that a lot of other people are and will be grappling with.

However, as the Duggarlings try to grapple with it, most of them are likely to have children -- even several children -- be in one-earner-at-most couples, have had NO experience of dealing with something like this when they were single and young and fancy-free so they could learn how to cope with it....and they'll have no education and no job experience except for working for Jim Bob and Meeechelle, no trust or hope for the fellow humans outside the compound and among whom they'll then be forced to make a living.

And, worst of all, to me, they won't have any backing of a sense of autonomy that they won for themselves as they grew up, no close knowledge of the wider community that could possibly make them feel comfortable in it and not fear it as a devilish hell-hole bent on destroying them, no sense that their parents have ever had faith in them as adult individuals who could make their own decisions. Etc. 

To me, it's inexcusable abuse of your children to "raise them" at the same time as you're utterly discouraging them from becoming their own people and trying your best to scare them off any close encounters with the real world of people.

And I think that'll come back to bite at least some and maybe many of the Duggarlings in the ass, hard, as time goes on. 

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Lunera

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6 hours ago, Temperance said:

I still don't entirely believe it. Who is Anne Bates and how does she know the family? That photo was so small it could be anybody in it. 

Anne Bates was their translator when they went on the mission trip to Greece. It's her and Jason in the picture. Jason's "future bride" could be any of the girls who went on the trip. We are speculating that it's probably Lauren Caldwell. 

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14 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Anne Bates was their translator when they went on the mission trip to Greece. It's her and Jason in the picture. Jason's "future bride" could be any of the girls who went on the trip. We are speculating that it's probably Lauren Caldwell. 

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Is Jason’s future bride the translator? Guess he like the older women hey 😉

I love how Anne Bates calls him an American  reality tv film star! Like she just met George Clooney, Anne he ain’t that special. 

Also he looks like JD here, not sure if that’s a good thing or not. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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14 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Churchie, one small correction in your Boomeranger post... Don't forget that Smuggar worked for the FRC before being forced to leave with his tail between his legs.

True -- I was going to go into my story about why that didn't count too much! -- but the thing was already approaching Proustian length!   

Here's why I don't count it for much-- We know he only got that job because they approached him because he was a Duggar. He didn't come after them. They came after him......

But, as the firstborn son, I grant that he got a little more support from his parents for being somebody than any of the others has. But that happened, in my opinion, only because they have that very special feeling about the firstborn -- and because they firstborn was, in reality, living out Jim Bob's dream of going to Washington as a power player .... at least as much as he was living out any dream  of his own.

Joshley wanted to go to law school, remember. And it seems as if he got no support for that notion, which was his notion! ....

And then, of course, leaving for DC to be a power player and as a married father of children, he cried in the damn driveway because he was leaving Mama and Daddy. So .... a scared little puppy ... And I put that down to his upbringing just as I put Jilly Muffin's inability to navigate Danger America or Jessa's uncomfortableness with people they show hooked Bin up with to their upbringing...... 

So my view is -- Yeah, he was a kind of exception. But there were reasons for that in the way firstborn sons are treated and in the fact that the job he was offered fulfilled Jim Bob's personal dream for himself ....

And there are lots of other signs that tell me Josh is just as much of a wuss with no sense of his own autonomy as the rest of them ...........One of those signs being the new pregnancy. Josh KNOWS that they shouldn't be having more kids. And if he hadn't been turned into a little scaredy cat who's terrified of Daddy and God, he'd either tell that to Anna or at least secretly get himself snipped to save himself and his family from the bad fate he knows is coming down the line..... !

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Albanyguy

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4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And then, of course, leaving for DC to be a power player and as a married father of children, he cried in the damn driveway because he was leaving Mama and Daddy.

And he was going to a job where he would be surrounded by people who believed exactly the same things he was raised to believe; who hated all the same people he was taught to hate; who would reinforce his sense of superiority (he's a white, male "Christian", therefore he's better than just about everybody in the world) and who would coddle and protect him (at least until his dirty little secret was revealed and brought scandal down upon them). Taking the FRC job didn't represent any kind of challenge or growth for Josh. He just traded one cozy little bubble for another.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

4 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

And he was going to a job where he would be surrounded by people who believed exactly the same things he was raised to believe; who hated all the same people he was taught to hate; who would reinforce his sense of superiority (he's a white, male "Christian", therefore he's better than just about everybody in the world) and who would coddle and protect him (at least until his dirty little secret was revealed and brought scandal down upon them). Taking the FRC job didn't represent any kind of challenge or growth for Josh. He just traded one cozy little bubble for another.

And he was still scared in the driveway!

Great point.

And you could hardly find a cozier bubble. 

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mythoughtis

mythoughtis

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

The Duggarlings too are going to have to grapple with economic realities eventually. At some point the show will end, and JB and M either will be unable or unwilling or both to support the then-dozens of Duggarlings and Duggarlings Two who've been living in the sheltered compound in fear of the world and unaware of their own potential autonomy all this time. 

JB and Michelle will be too old and physically frail to support them at some point.  JB isn't going to be able to do whatever it is that he does to bring in money forever- Or he’s going to be unwilling to continue to do it forever.  At some point the 200 grandchdren won't be so welcome in the Duggar main house because JB and Michelle will be cranky and unable to cope with the noise and drama.  You know that Grandma Mary just had to get away from her 20 grandchildren occasionally.  Multiply that by 10. I don’t know who is going to be teaching or babysitting the lost girls offspring- but it won’t be Michelle. I also don’t think it will be any of their aunts and uncles who will have also had it up to here with children by then. 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

30 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And he was still scared in the driveway!

Great point.

And you could hardly find a cozier bubble. 

 I sometimes wonder just how much fear he lived in Of being found out. I remember a reporter tracked down  The Molestation file years before it was released to the public,  and asked then adult Josh about it. I think some small part of him, and his parents, I knew that it would get out eventually and the taking this job greatly increased the odds of it coming out.  Ironically, it had nothing to do with the job but instead Michelle’s bigotry.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

9 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I sometimes wonder just how much fear he lived in Of being found out. I remember a reporter tracked down  The Molestation file years before it was released to the public,  and asked then adult Josh about it. I think some small part of him, and his parents, I knew that it would get out eventually and the taking this job greatly increased the odds of it coming out.  Ironically, it had nothing to do with the job but instead Michelle’s bigotry.

Yeah, I wonder this, too.  Seems likely it was in the back of his mind. That'd probably make you a little crazy. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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16 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I think the unwritten rule of their cult is “get famous enough for positive attention, but remain anonymous enough to dodge negative attention”. 

So, Smuggar's ego got the best of him? I've always thought that pre-Joshgate he supposed himself impervious to any criticism. I think his sudden downfall came out of left field in his mind.

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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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