S04.E06: Amish Pair-O-Dice

[OnceSane]

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Mary takes Jeremiah and Carmela to Las Vegas for the honeymoon they never had, but a fight between Abe and Jeremiah threatens the trip; Mary brings the family together for Jeremiah and Carmela's vow renewal; Rebecca and Sabrina come face to face.

[booboopbedoo]

what will happen to these people when the show is no more and the money dries up???

[Evil Queen]

There will be those that survive and certain ones that will be struggling every which way possible...as well as looking for their next way to make money if they can. I think in the end that Rebecca and Abe will be fine. Just like Kate. The others not so much. Mary will run around in her Amish outfit looking for attention at the casinos as she has drinks in her hands. 

[orangeiguana]

On the trailer Mary defiantly states that "nobody's gonna stop me..." from drinking and gambling? Gee, what noble pursuits. On the other hand my hat's off to Rebecca for not letting anyone stop her from earning her GED! Now that is something worth pursuing!

[TurtlePower]

I currently live in Vegas, it woulda been fun to know when they were filming. 

[Barb23]

How can they afford all these trips? I'm sure they're on TLC's dime.   Las Vegas isn't next door to Pennsylvania - it's on the other side of the US for them. No way could any of them afford to fly or even take a train there.  

[Justin Case]

I'd think "Hey, enjoy the ride before the TLC free ticket is over, buggytrash" except they're miserable most of the time, even when they're supposed to be having fun. Well, except Mary. She's having a helluva time and will still have her tupperware dynasty once it's all over.

[Evil Queen]

4 hours ago, Barb23 said:

How can they afford all these trips? I'm sure they're on TLC's dime.   Las Vegas isn't next door to Pennsylvania - it's on the other side of the US for them. No way could any of them afford to fly or even take a train there.  

2 hours ago, Justin Case said:

I'd think "Hey, enjoy the ride before the TLC free ticket is over, buggytrash" except they're miserable most of the time, even when they're supposed to be having fun. Well, except Mary. She's having a helluva time and will still have her tupperware dynasty once it's all over.

Totally on TLC's dime so they can come up with some stupid story for it. No way is Mary going to afford to say "hey let's all go to Vegas on my dime and it can you the honeymoon you never had Jeremiah and Carmelo." Which I laugh every time she says Carmela's name and then to act as if this is a honeymoon trip for them. Sorry but who the hell is going to want all these people on their honeymoon? I think Jeremiah might be enjoying this as much as Mary. He has a way of being verbally abusive to other women and a show to cover up his physical abuse on his wife. All the while traveling and doing things on TLC's dime. Which Mary loves of course as well...more so this season I am betting considering she is very into drinking and more so gambling now. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

My favorite character will always be Mary, from her jars of beef to her philosophies of life. LOVE HER!!!

[smalltowngal]

So two questions, why did they get their hair done the before and after look the same. Why do you need a vowel renewal after one year?

[sainte-chapelle]

So let me get this straight, Mary is super forgiving and looks the other way when Jeremiah abuse his wife and her own daughter in law (who she should be loyal to) yet gives Rebecca a hard time for wanting to further her education as well as calling theses fools out on their childish and selfish behaviour.......nope

[Christi]

Damn it..my recording cut off at the end...did it say Jeremiah Got seperated?

Edited June 5, 2017 by Christi

[sainte-chapelle]

6 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Totally on TLC's dime so they can come up with some stupid story for it. No way is Mary going to afford to say "hey let's all go to Vegas on my dime and it can you the honeymoon you never had Jeremiah and Carmelo." Which I laugh every time she says Carmela's name and then to act as if this is a honeymoon trip for them. Sorry but who the hell is going to want all these people on their honeymoon? I think Jeremiah might be enjoying this as much as Mary. He has a way of being verbally abusive to other women and a show to cover up his physical abuse on his wife. All the while traveling and doing things on TLC's dime. Which Mary loves of course as well...more so this season I am betting considering she is very into drinking and more so gambling now. 

This is a trip for Mary, not a honeymoon. "I want to have fun for once" you Always have fun at the expense of others you selfish woman.if I hear the word 'family' one more time I'll puke. You are NOT family, you met on a reality show and frankly don't seem to like each other very much.

Edited June 5, 2017 by sainte-chapelle

[orangeiguana]

Sabrina desperately needs, and deserves, some help. I hope the network might have someone reach out to her. She's very earnest but lost and could really use support and direction. Imagine being unleashed into the world with an eighth-grade education! I wonder if living in a sober-living community or some sort of halfway house would help, so she's not so alone.

[Evil Queen]

42 minutes ago, sainte-chapelle said:

This is a trip for Mary, not a honeymoon. "I want to have fun for once" you Always have fun at the expense of others you selfish woman.if I hear the word 'family' one more time I'll puke. You are NOT family, you met on a reality show and frankly don't seem to like each other very much.

Oh exactly!! And agree they are far from family at all. Those that are family she doesn't seem to give a shit about though because they seem to call her on her selfish behavior. Which is probably why she acts so lovely dovey for Jeremiah and Sabrina since they act like she is god almighty.

25 minutes ago, orangeiguana said:

Sabrina desperately needs, and deserves, some help. I hope the network might have someone reach out to her. She's very earnest but lost and could really use support and direction. Imagine being unleashed into the world with an eighth-grade education! I wonder if living in a sober-living community or some sort of halfway house would help, so she's not so alone.

She does need help but remember someone that is an addict has to really want that help or sending her to a rehab or anything else will not work. I don't know what her education is per say since they feed us a load of bull all the time with this show. I just know she wasn't just thrown into the "English" world like they want us to think. She was living in it already and had another run on a different reality show. So this isn't even her first run on "reality" tv compared to the others on this show. When you see scenes of her from when this show started you see a VERY different person though. Sadly she meet the wrong people to be around and got mixed with drugs and abuse. Because of it though (and maybe other reasons) she doesn't think she needs help and that anything is her fault at all. That is a big problem there...not taking responsibility for her problems. She even blames others for her being on drugs. Which she has given a few different stories on how that started too. Including that someone just shot her up with heroin without her knowing. Sorry but that is really far fetched. As far as being alone, last I read, was after she got out of jail from this arrest, she had a sober coach she was living with. Whether that is true or not who knows. Time will tell though for her if she wants to ever fix herself and get the right help or just put the "victim" act on until no one at all buys it from her anymore and she has no place left to turn but rehab...or sadly worse. 

[sainte-chapelle]

"Following an incident that occurred after filming Carmela and Jeremiah separated but thy are working on reconciliation" FU TLC, a beating is more than an incident you should be offering Carmela some councillors and not encourage her to get back together with  that piece of sh$t

[Willowsmom]

What other show was Sabrina in?

[Swiss]

With the exception of Abe and the other people on the plane,  is it bad I was hoping it would crash?  So sick of Mary and  that despicable Jeremiah. Maybe they could then do a crossover episode on Air Disasters.  This show is just a big giant joke.  Stop talking about what the Amish would disapprove of and stop talking about the cult!  Then I get mad at myself for watching this mess!

Edited June 5, 2017 by Swiss

[riverblue22]

I couldn't bear to watch tonight.  Mary in Las Vegas?  No thank you!  Did Jeremiah beat Carmela?

[sainte-chapelle]

2 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I couldn't bear to watch tonight.  Mary in Las Vegas?  No thank you!  Did Jeremiah beat Carmela?

http://radaronline.com/videos/jeremiah-raber-breaking-amish-arrest-domestic-violence/

[Nowhere]

"ASTAT!" ~Chester

[HZAnita]

"I'm taking you on a honeymoon." - Mary FauxAmish

What a joke!  You don't need to *take* a couple on a honeymoon, you *give* a couple a honeymoon.  Mary just wanted to go to Vegas. SMH.

Poor Rebecca and Abe.  I know they can not wait for this show to be over.  Rebecca tries to do something with her life and the rest of the "family" (except Abe) can't stand it   Talk about crabs in a barrel!  Keep climbing, Rebecca!!  I hope she stays in touch with Kate because I think Kate would be supportive.

I have no words for Jeremiah and one word for Carmela: "RUN!!!"

[beeziebee]

Why aren't we getting to know Sabrina's friend Matt better?  I'm sure his life story, including coming out to his Mennonite family, would be far more interesting than this other manufactured drama.  He seems like a genuinely nice person, and I'm sure there's a story to tell, and others might even benefit from it.  Hint, hint, producers--look into Matt's life.

[ShaNaeNae]

21 minutes ago, beeziebee said:

Why aren't we getting to know Sabrina's friend Matt better?  I'm sure his life story, including coming out to his Mennonite family, would be far more interesting than this other manufactured drama.  He seems like a genuinely nice person, and I'm sure there's a story to tell, and others might even benefit from it.  Hint, hint, producers--look into Matt's life.

He already had his own season (although it was shared with other Amish, like Sabrina's was) back around 2013-ish.  It was Breaking Amish: LA.  Back then he swore he was straight and had a girlfriend he refused to touch.  Glad he finally came out, seems more at peace with himself now. 

[Spiderella2]

Okay, I cannot with Rebecca! She first refused to go with Abe & Mary to Florida, then showed up three days later to crash the party. Then she refused the Vegas trip when Mary first offered it, in fact lording it over the others that if she and Abe were to go for a honeymoon, it wouldn't be with you! Then she also decides to show up last minute to attend the vowel renewal because, It would be such a grand surprise! 

Keep it real Rebecca, you like flying in separately  because you enjoy do not enjoy traveling without the others. You like swooping in like a princess last minute. Maybe Production coaxes her and offers her first class tickets and extra money for the drama? I honestly don't get it but it's a old trick and they definitely need to try something new next season, if this shit doesn't end up being cancelled. 

It could be that these 2 hour episodes with the in-depth character bios is the Swan song and this is the last season. Does anyone know? 

[Spiderella2]

Honestly, Carmela just went from one controlling cult leader to another. As Iyanla says, "Broken people marry broken people." Mary needs to tell Carmela to run, before he kills her by "accident". She needs to file for divorce asap, before he kills her or one of her kids. Jeremiah, he is a violent, angry person with lots of emotional issues. He needs tons of therapy before he can even be in a normal relationship. And she obviously hasn't dealt with her issues, because every other sentence starts with, "When I was in the cult..."

[SunnyBeBe]

I think you have to suspend a lot of realism with this show, as well as other reality tv shows.  I know that most of what we see are contrived, staged, and preplanned.  Still, I found some of it amusing and even moving at times.  The show suffers without Kate, but, it still muddled through.  

I saw most of it, but, I missed the part where they gave updates.  I was glad to see the montage on Andrew and Katie Ann Smucker, as I had missed  that stuff. Now it makes sense.  So, all of Mary and Chester's kids have left the Amish now?  (Esther too, right?)

The cast members really do have to accommodate each other, eventually, or they cannot be on the show together.  I would think that puts a lot of pressure on you.  I like Carmella, more than Jeremiah, but, I doubt that guy is going to change.  

Edited June 5, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[gonecrackers]

I think Rebecca most likely flew in with them, the crew etc, & they just made her appear to be showing up alone for effect. I haven't seen this one yet, but am sure that's what happened in Florida. They can certainly keep her out of the cameras eye until they're ready for her entrance.

This show is highly contrived, but Sabrina & Jeremiah's problems are not, given their arrests & the loss of her children are on record. So Carmela really does live with an abuser. The saddest parts of this show are the most real, unfortunately.

[SunnyBeBe]

I was relieved to see that Sabrina used SOME good judgment in making her decision.  Last night she said that in order for her children to get stability, she had to sign her rights over.  THAT makes sense and shows maturity in my eyes.  I hope that she can build on that.  She needs to surround herself with sober and stable people.  If she could get into that kind of environment, she may have a chance.  If not, I"m not sure what will be come of her.  I don't think she has the skills to navigate through life alone or with others who are struggling.  She has the desire, but, she lacks the skills and fortitude.  

Edited June 5, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[Monie]

So happy not to have to hear - "When I was in the "colt"... When I was in the "colt" ... When I was in the "colt"!  Ok Carmella, we know already that you were in a cult!!  Also, what the hell did she ever see in Jeramiah!  He is disgusting and arrogant. He thinks he is a real catch!.... NOT!!

[sigmaforce86]

33 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

This show is highly contrived, but Sabrina & Jeremiah's problems are not, given their arrests & the loss of her children are on record. So Carmela really does live with an abuser. The saddest parts of this show are the most real, unfortunately.

This is why I just took the show off the DVR schedule.  I only sit through this suffer through this because my Mother wants to watch it and thinks these shows are real (disclaimer; she's old, she lives with me, I humor her sometimes).................but it's the small part of realism that makes me want to walk away.  If there's another season I'm just not going to tell her it's on and hope she doesn't see a commercial because at this point watching is like giving them my "approval" plus adding to the ratings.  I just can't when they try to hide the worst qualities of a person like Jeremiah and give him any forum for validation that he and his actions are in any way "OK".  Plus parading Sabrina's issues in front of us.  Not that I think she should hide in a corner but she doesn't need that spotlight in her face, she certainly doesn't need a way to publicly say how it was all a mistake and woe is me while, given recent events, clearly not getting help or even being ready to want help.

I think Kate must have been the smartest of the bunch, she was thinking long term, kept up with her fashion training, honored the contract and appeared but jumped ship as soon as she could.  I really hope the update on Abe and Rebecca is true, I hope they saved most of the TLC money, that he gets a good job where he can be home more and that she really does get her education together like she says she wants - if they keep their heads they could probably make it.  The rest are doubtful.

[booboopbedoo]

I have decided they are like the 7 dwarves-

Sabrina is Lumpy

Rebecca is Bitchy

Jeremiah is Goofy

Carmela is ?

Mary is Friar Tuck

Abe is Grumpy

we are missing one

[Evil Queen]

12 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

What other show was Sabrina in?

It was called Amish at the Altar. Which we all know she isn't Amish but she dressed as she was and "acted" as she was. http://starcasm.net/archives/176526 This has more on it and the others about how they were out in the "English" world well before this show. Most of which I think many of us already knew though. I know it excuses why Sabrina "acted" Amish for the show but you can tell its an excuse. 

42 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I was relieved to see that Sabrina used SOME good judgment in making her decision.  Last night she said that in order for her children to get stability, she had to sign her rights over.  THAT makes sense and shows maturity in my eyes.  I hope that she can build on that.  She needs to surround herself with sober and stable people.  If she could get into that kind of environment, she may have a chance.  If not, I"m not sure what will be come of her.  I don't think she has the skills to navigate through life alone or with others who are struggling.  She has the desire, but, she lacks the skills and fortitude.  

Such good judgement that she landed in jail not long ago. I don't think she had a choice at all on what was going to happen to the kids. If it hadn't happened then it would have happened at some point sadly. Agree though that she does need to surround herself with sober and stable people. The problem there is that she seems to have burned many of those bridges with the people like that. They aren't turning back because they have had enough. I don't blame them. 

30 minutes ago, sigmaforce86 said:

I think Kate must have been the smartest of the bunch, she was thinking long term, kept up with her fashion training, honored the contract and appeared but jumped ship as soon as she could.  I really hope the update on Abe and Rebecca is true, I hope they saved most of the TLC money, that he gets a good job where he can be home more and that she really does get her education together like she says she wants - if they keep their heads they could probably make it.  The rest are doubtful.

I agree. Kate obviously used her money to help get her line of fashion going and fashion school. So good for her and I am glad she was able to finally get out from under this show. Her and Rebecca both have taken major heat from to many with thinking they are bitches or stuck up. I think its far from the truth. They just aren't going to sit by and take the bs from idiots like Jeremiah. I don't doubt Abe and Rebecca are probably careful with their money. They have the kids to think about. I am going to still say that I think Rebecca had already worked on getting that GED and if she doesn't have it yet she will. I don't doubt Abe will be fine job wise either. They need to just finally move away from this mess. You can see it with them they are over it and ready to move on. 

I won't get to watch this episode yet but will when its on demand or replayed in the day. The one before this finally popped up on demand. So catching up. 

[SunnyBeBe]

It seems to me that Carmella is a cross between unhappy (Goodness knows she has the right to be.) and hopeless.  She keeps acknowledging what we all know and that it will not be easy to change the dynamic in her marriage to Jeremiah.  But, she still says she's going to try.  I find it frustrating.  I keep trying to figure out what Carmella is seeing in the good times that makes her hold on.  Recall recently, she was having words with Jeremiah and she said that she couldn't make it through the hard times and the good times, weren't that good either....something like that.  Someone else may recall her exact words.  

It just seems to me that the pairing up with Jeremiah might have been done primarily for television access purposes.  It's unfortunate, but, I suppose you gotta do, what you gotta do.  I just feel for her if she wants out and can't stay out. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[Arwen Evenstar]

Carmella is a very pretty girl.  I don't know how she suffers Jeremiah or believes she can't do any better than him. 

Carmella has a lot of issues based on being stuck in a cult, and Jeremiah has mommy issues and anger management issues.  They are both damaged people, but it's very clear that Carmella is the more mature of the two of them.

[winsomeone]

At the end of the show, it told what they are doing now. Abe quit his truck driving job as Rebecca wanted of course..she does have total control over him. He will stay home and help care for the two girls..one of whom is in school? Rebecca will continue to study for her GED..and after she passes, will head straight for college. No mention of what they will live on, or who will pay for college though. If she has trouble passing the GED, she will need years of remedial courses to bring her up to par for regular college courses I bet. Do any of them other than Kate work?

[FairyDusted]

This whole season was weird as hell. Mostly 3 hours of nothing at all. Nothing seems in order. You would think with Sabrina struggling with her own adoption she would move heaven and earth to keep her girls. She didn't even get the last child home from the hospital so something big time went down for CPS to automatically taken both children permanently. 

[Chewy101]

On 6/5/2017 at 8:38 AM, Spiderella2 said:

 

Okay, I cannot with Rebecca! She first refused to go with Abe & Mary to Florida, then showed up three days later to crash the party. Then she refused the Vegas trip when Mary first offered it, in fact lording it over the others that if she and Abe were to go for a honeymoon, it wouldn't be with you! Then she also decides to show up last minute to attend the vowel renewal because, It would be such a grand surprise! 

Keep it real Rebecca, you like flying in separately  because you enjoy do not enjoy traveling without the others. You like swooping in like a princess last minute. Maybe Production coaxes her and offers her first class tickets and extra money for the drama? I honestly don't get it but it's a old trick and they definitely need to try something new next season, if this shit doesn't end up being cancelled. 

 

This cracked me up. I could not see Rebecca more differently. The fact that she distances herself from these despicable human beings is why I like her. She tries to love her in-laws and honor them, but she truly hates the cast, and I don't blame her. She seems to be the most reluctant to engage in this mess, but money is money. Funny how much a show can generate such different opinions and perspectives. All mileage varies.

When Mary's ex-jailbird son even feels the need to try and reason with her decision to go to Vegas, it just shows how low she has sunk. She is one nasty selfish woman. Blaming her behaviour on her father's death is rubbish.

On 6/5/2017 at 11:36 AM, Evil Queen said:

On 6/5/2017 at 10:28 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I was relieved to see that Sabrina used SOME good judgment in making her decision.  Last night she said that in order for her children to get stability, she had to sign her rights over.  THAT makes sense and shows maturity in my eyes.  I hope that she can build on that.  She needs to surround herself with sober and stable people.  If she could get into that kind of environment, she may have a chance.  If not, I"m not sure what will be come of her.  I don't think she has the skills to navigate through life alone or with others who are struggling.  She has the desire, but, she lacks the skills and fortitude.  

Such good judgement that she landed in jail not long ago. I don't think she had a choice at all on what was going to happen to the kids. If it hadn't happened then it would have happened at some point sadly.

I think the producers fed her every line about intentions to give custody to her parents. They basically coached her on how to attempt to save face for the sake of the show, when she was likely completely wasted during most of the filming. The slurred speech and delays are completely different than than how she originally was on this show. She was fed lines that fabricated everything in an attempt to make her a sympathetic character. I loved the pastor praying with her, and I hope she gravitates back to that guidance, because she needs it.

If I hear Carmella say, "When I was in the cult," one more time.... Shut up, lady. Or buy me a shot every time you have to say it. 

Mary made me laugh with her sage words of wisdom saying that "if someone feels a need to renew their vows after one year, then there might be problems in the marriage." YOU THINK?! 

I don't like Matt. He seems like a terrible enabler. I don't like any of them, so I guess that's that.

I wish these people would realize that in the presence of abuse, "family" goes out the window. No one should feel obligated to stick with a family that involves the crap these people do to one another.

21 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Carmella is a very pretty girl.  I don't know how she suffers Jeremiah or believes she can't do any better than him. 

Carmella has a lot of issues based on being stuck in a cult, and Jeremiah has mommy issues and anger management issues.  They are both damaged people, but it's very clear that Carmella is the more mature of the two of t

Pretty is neither here nor there, although I agree she is lovely. However, more mature? I think how she is portrayed on the show, she is so childlike and naive, it's disturbing. I don't see maturity at all. She is not mean spirited like Jeremiah is, but they are blind leading the blind in this relationship.

Jeremiah constantly says Abe has more fun when Rebecca is not around, but what he doesn't get is Abe only has more fun with a douche like Jeremiah when Rebecca is not around. Abe and Rebecca seem to have a lot of fun together, she just doesn't have fun with Jeremiah. I wouldn't either. Who likes to play in a mine field of psycho. I think Jeremiah is just annoyed that Abe stops following him around when Rebecca shows up. Rebecca groveling to make the peace with Jeremiah at dinner showed her class. And I wish he would stop talking about family when he is constantly verbally abusive to everyone but Mary.

Sabrina shows up, and Jeremiah demands that everyone just get along. Really? The guy who picks ALL of the fights? Even when he has a plan for peace, he is a bully about it. But when Rebecca self checked by seeing some Jeremiah in herself, I loved how she went the other way, quickly and made up with Sabrina. Now she has apologized to two people who owed HER one. Quite the episode. 

I think this show was more entertaining when it was naive kids venturing out. Now we are seeing parents causing harm to their children  and marriages crumbling. The collateral damage from their actions is getting more devastating. 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Chewy101

[Chewy101]

I wish Mary would stop wearing the Amish clothes when she does this stuff. It is so disrespectful and immature. Her husband does not deserve this, and I might not believe in the Amish church ways, but I believe being respectful is still important. I would be SO uncomfortable around Mary on this trip.

[booboopbedoo]

I hope this was it and the show is over.

Now that Abe quit his job what are they going to do for money? Dentist school is pricey.

Mary you need to start your own Cult and make everyone eat jarred meat every day.

[bichonblitz]

Oh, damn Rebecca. She's my favorite.  Why did she have to go apologize to that lump Sabrina and that asshole Jeremiah who couldn't even bother to take that friggin straw out of his mouth? I guess production told her that's how they wanted to end the season.  She has nothing to apologize for. She doesn't like them. She doesn't trust them. They are trash. That's enough reason to stay away from them. Stop with the apology tour. 

Let me get this straight: Sabrina has her newborn baby taken away from her, yet she thinks it's a good idea to go to Vegas and have "fun"? And get her vagina waxed? Or get Mary to?   I would be a sobbing puddle on the floor if my baby was taken away. Nothing would matter until I got her back. And I'm sure child services will be delighted to see how much Sabrina cares. Stupid twat. 

Mary. You self centered, childish piece of crap. Jeremiah, Carmella and Sabrina are your family? What about the actual family you leave at home every chance you get? You know that pesky husband and 5 other kids you have? Remember them? 

Poor Abe. He let's Jeremiah constantly tell him that he's pussy whipped. It's called being a man, caring for your wife and enjoying her company. Why can't Abe just once tell Jeremiah that he has made a complete mess of his own marriage and has no idea how to treat a woman, talk to a woman, respect a woman? And then punch him in the mouth. Break all of his teeth so he has to get dentures.  

[Evil Queen]

On 6/5/2017 at 1:14 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

It seems to me that Carmella is a cross between unhappy (Goodness knows she has the right to be.) and hopeless.  She keeps acknowledging what we all know and that it will not be easy to change the dynamic in her marriage to Jeremiah.  But, she still says she's going to try.  I find it frustrating.  I keep trying to figure out what Carmella is seeing in the good times that makes her hold on.  Recall recently, she was having words with Jeremiah and she said that she couldn't make it through the hard times and the good times, weren't that good either....something like that.  Someone else may recall her exact words.  

It just seems to me that the pairing up with Jeremiah might have been done primarily for television access purposes.  It's unfortunate, but, I suppose you gotta do, what you gotta do.  I just feel for her if she wants out and can't stay out. 

On 6/5/2017 at 4:02 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

Carmella is a very pretty girl.  I don't know how she suffers Jeremiah or believes she can't do any better than him. 

Carmella has a lot of issues based on being stuck in a cult, and Jeremiah has mommy issues and anger management issues.  They are both damaged people, but it's very clear that Carmella is the more mature of the two of them.

3 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

Pretty is neither here nor there, although I agree she is lovely. However, more mature? I think how she is portrayed on the show, she is so childlike and naive, it's disturbing. I don't see maturity at all. She is not mean spirited like Jeremiah is, but they are blind leading the blind in this relationship.

Jeremiah constantly says Abe has more fun when Rebecca is not around, but what he doesn't get is Abe only has more fun with a douche like Jeremiah when Rebecca is not around. Abe and Rebecca seem to have a lot of fun together, she just doesn't have fun with Jeremiah. I wouldn't either. Who likes to play in a mine field of psycho. I think Jeremiah is just annoyed that Abe stops following him around when Rebecca shows up. Rebecca groveling to make the peace with Jeremiah at dinner showed her class. And I wish he would stop talking about family when he is constantly verbally abusive to everyone but Mary.

Sabrina shows up, and Jeremiah demands that everyone just get along. Really? The guy who picks ALL of the fights? Even when he has a plan for peace, he is a bully about it. But when Rebecca self checked by seeing some Jeremiah in herself, I loved how she went the other way, quickly and made up with Sabrina. Now she has apologized to two people who owed HER one. Quite the episode. 

This goes with all 3 of the above on Carmela. I agree she is not mature at all. The fact is she had to know what she was getting into with him. She is the one that contacted him off FB. I don't condone abuse at all but the fact is she knew his history. There is no way she did not considering it was out there for all to see from the get go with this show along with everyone else's stuff that was dug up on them. She knew what she was doing in contacting him. She got what she wanted. Her turn on tv. Her 15 mins of fame. Sadly what came with that price of tv fame was an abusive asshole that she is now married too and has her kids around. That disgusts me that she would stay to work anything out with him after he was arrested. What is this teaching those boys of her's? 

Jeremiah is stupid. He just assumes Abe is having fun with him and its because Rebecca isn't around. How can one have fun with him when he could fly off the handle at the littlest thing at any moment? We all know Jeremiah doesn't like Rebecca because she is a strong woman that won't put up with his bs and calls him on it or knows when its best to walk away. I still have to wait to watch it but if she was apologizing to the 2 that should be to her..I will bet that was scripted bs. There is no reason she would apologize to those 2 idiots without having too because of the show. When does Rebecca get the apology she is owed for the abuse she has taken from those 2? When does Kate get one as well from their crap? 

The updates at the end have been done in the past as well with the shows. I wouldn't say Abe quit driving because of Rebecca. You don't think he misses being there at home with his family? He could be tired of being on the road just as much as Rebecca would have wanted him home. All the stuff we saw about it on the show I think was mostly scripted to begin with. I don't think they have many issues beyond what a married couple can have. They seem to be happy together. I just know I am hoping this is the end of this show. If by chance, TLC wants more, I hope Abe and Rebecca tell them where to go. 

[Evil Queen]

1 minute ago, bichonblitz said:

Let me get this straight: Sabrina has her newborn baby taken away from her, yet she thinks it's a good idea to go to Vegas and have "fun"? And get her vagina waxed? Or get Mary to?   I would be a sobbing puddle on the floor if my baby was taken away. Nothing would matter until I got her back. And I'm sure child services will be delighted to see how much Sabrina cares. Stupid twat. 

Mary. You self centered, childish piece of crap. Jeremiah, Carmella and Sabrina are your family? What about the actual family you leave at home every chance you get? You know that pesky husband and 5 other kids you have? Remember them? 

Poor Abe. He let's Jeremiah constantly tell him that he's pussy whipped. It's called being a man, caring for your wife and enjoying her company. Why can't Abe just once tell Jeremiah that he has made a complete mess of his own marriage and has no idea how to treat a woman, talk to a woman, respect a woman? And then punch him in the mouth. Break all of his teeth so he has to get dentures.  

I agree. I can't get how one could do that either but I will assume Sabrina probably was high during it all. Yet I would have been sick and in a sobbing puddle as well if someone took my baby from me. I can imagine child services and the court saw this and knew they made the right decisions for those little girls. Which btw, at this point I also don't see her so called PPD she talked about. Oh right, she cooked her 3 day old or so placenta to eat because she thought it would be a cure all for it. Sorry but IMO they made light of that issue and being one that has suffered from it, more than once, I am not happy about this. 

Agree with what you said about Mary. She is a selfish, childish bitch. She is all about the 3 that are NOT her kids becuase she knows they will let her being that selfish, childish bitch and its ok. While her REAL family calls her on her shit. 

I have always wondered why Abe hasn't hit Jeremiah. I take the only reason is because Abe knows it would be wrong and doesn't want to land in jail. We all know Jeremiah would be making sure Abe's ass was there if that happened. I think Abe knows if Jeremiah well enough to now that no matter how it comes off he has to take it otherwise it results in, first going off script and second risking Jeremiah going off physically at him or someone else. I get disgusted with that talk though and how he does says it to Carmela and she is like I see it too or I see that now. I do wish we could have seen Abe give it to him just once...even if it was telling him off verbally. 

[gonecrackers]

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Oh, damn Rebecca. She's my favorite.  Why did she have to go apologize to that lump Sabrina and that asshole Jeremiah who couldn't even bother to take that friggin straw out of his mouth? I guess production told her that's how they wanted to end the season.  She has nothing to apologize for. She doesn't like them. She doesn't trust them. They are trash. That's enough reason to stay away from them. Stop with the apology tour. 

Let me get this straight: Sabrina has her newborn baby taken away from her, yet she thinks it's a good idea to go to Vegas and have "fun"? And get her vagina waxed? Or get Mary to?   I would be a sobbing puddle on the floor if my baby was taken away. Nothing would matter until I got her back. And I'm sure child services will be delighted to see how much Sabrina cares. Stupid twat. 

Mary. You self centered, childish piece of crap. Jeremiah, Carmella and Sabrina are your family? What about the actual family you leave at home every chance you get? You know that pesky husband and 5 other kids you have? Remember them? 

Poor Abe. He let's Jeremiah constantly tell him that he's pussy whipped. It's called being a man, caring for your wife and enjoying her company. Why can't Abe just once tell Jeremiah that he has made a complete mess of his own marriage and has no idea how to treat a woman, talk to a woman, respect a woman? And then punch him in the mouth. Break all of his teeth so he has to get dentures.  

Agreed. I couldn't even finish this one I was so sick of them not far into it. Sabrina going to Vegas was where I had to stop; I could not believe she could leave & enjoy anything with what's going on in her life. She's numbed out on something.

I really hope this is the last of them on TV.

[Snarklepuss]

2 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

I really hope this is the last of them on TV.

I'm late to the party here but have to agree, although I will wonder how Abe and Rebecca and their family are doing if they don't come back.  I don't understand TLC for putting this show back on in 3 hour segments no less.  It's almost like they want to put it to death and punish the audience.  Watching this last episode was excruciating from start to finish.  It was very obvious to me that Rebecca and Abe are just doing it for the money now and really don't want to be anywhere near Sabrina and just tolerate Jeremiah. 

It might just have been me because they have done season finales before sort-of hinting at it being the end of the series, but it really felt that way to me this time, like they have a good idea it's not coming back.  Like they had Rebecca "make up" with Jeremiah and Sabrina because they didn't want to end the series with her on the outs with them.  I guess they end every season not knowing if they'll be back.  Every season I think "Where could they possibly go from here?"  And yet they find a way to bring it back.  I never thought any of the trips they've taken were anything but producer/show driven and paid so it's not like these people would have that much to do with each other if not for that.  I know Jeremiah harps on it being a "family" but that's because he needs them to be his family the most since he has none two times over (being adopted and leaving the Amish).

I thought it was interesting that Rebecca said that the only emotion the Amish seem to be OK with expressing is anger.  That explains why that's the predominant emotion displayed here by all of them.  It's the only way they seem comfortable expressing themselves, which is horrible for Carmela since Jeremiah has anger issues to boot.  I agree that she should have known what she was getting into with him.
 

5 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Let me get this straight: Sabrina has her newborn baby taken away from her, yet she thinks it's a good idea to go to Vegas and have "fun"? And get her vagina waxed? Or get Mary to?   I would be a sobbing puddle on the floor if my baby was taken away. Nothing would matter until I got her back. And I'm sure child services will be delighted to see how much Sabrina cares. Stupid twat.

I agree but did you see how she claims the counselor/pastor "encouraged" her to go?  I am sure she told him the show was asking her to go, which is probably the truth and I can't believe that no one close to her sees anything wrong with her publicly going to LV right after such a traumatic experience - one would think, anyway.  Maybe they encouraged it because how else is she going to earn any money?
 

5 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Poor Abe. He let's Jeremiah constantly tell him that he's pussy whipped. It's called being a man, caring for your wife and enjoying her company. Why can't Abe just once tell Jeremiah that he has made a complete mess of his own marriage and has no idea how to treat a woman, talk to a woman, respect a woman? And then punch him in the mouth. Break all of his teeth so he has to get dentures.  

I also agree that Abe isn't as pussywhipped as Jeremiah makes him out to be.  He's just acting like a responsible adult husband, which Jeremiah interprets as being pussywhipped, which just about gives us a picture window into his soul.  I take that to mean he's a misogynist who believes in keeping a woman under his thumb, which Carmela has unfortunately realized a little late.  Abe quitting the trucking route is not being pussywhipped - he knows what's best for his family.  At this point, Rebecca has potentially more future earning power than he does so supporting her is going to benefit him too.  I also can't believe that Abe is so positive about Jeremiah to the point of calling him a "good guy", etc.  I guess he bought into this "new Jeremiah" image when Jeremiah married Carmela and seemed to be getting his life back on track.  I wonder how Abe feels about him now after his abusiveness towards Carmela made the news.

Edited June 7, 2017 by Snarklepuss

[gonecrackers]

9 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

I agree but did you see how she claims the counselor/pastor "encouraged" her to go? 

Then he's bought & paid for as well.

9 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

I also can't believe that Abe is so positive about Jeremiah to the point of calling him a "good guy", etc. 

You know I've seen this a lot, even in my own family, of people thinking someone who had serious issues all of a sudden has it together just because they got married.  Marriage doesn't mean those issues went away or were resolved. Across the board all I've seen is another person (or people, considering if they have children) brought into the mess... & then there's usually the divorce, that no one ever saw coming. Really? How lame.

[Arwen Evenstar]

13 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

 

I have always wondered why Abe hasn't hit Jeremiah. I take the only reason is because Abe knows it would be wrong and doesn't want to land in jail. We all know Jeremiah would be making sure Abe's ass was there if that happened. I think Abe knows if Jeremiah well enough to now that no matter how it comes off he has to take it otherwise it results in, first going off script and second risking Jeremiah going off physically at him or someone else. I get disgusted with that talk though and how he does says it to Carmela and she is like I see it too or I see that now. I do wish we could have seen Abe give it to him just once...even if it was telling him off verbally. 

Possibly because Abe is a class act, and beating the crap out of Jeremiah (though he has proven time and again that he richly deserves it) would put him on the same level with Jeremiah.  Abe has also seen plenty of people, including his own family members thrown in jail for far less.

i also think Rebecca and the kids keep him grounded.  He clearly loves being a husband and father and seems to really "get" the easily misunderstood Rebecca  more than anyone else in the group.  She does not suffer fools gladly and she wants to better herself, neither of which I could never fault anyone for.  She's seen what drugs have done to her friends and family and clearly wants no part of being hurt again by one more death or addiction. 

Edited June 7, 2017 by Arwen Evenstar
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[Evil Queen]

11 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

  Watching this last episode was excruciating from start to finish.  It was very obvious to me that Rebecca and Abe are just doing it for the money now and really don't want to be anywhere near Sabrina and just tolerate Jeremiah. 

It might just have been me because they have done season finales before sort-of hinting at it being the end of the series, but it really felt that way to me this time, like they have a good idea it's not coming back.  Like they had Rebecca "make up" with Jeremiah and Sabrina because they didn't want to end the series with her on the outs with them.  I guess they end every season not knowing if they'll be back.  Every season I think "Where could they possibly go from here?"  And yet they find a way to bring it back.  I never thought any of the trips they've taken were anything but producer/show driven and paid so it's not like these people would have that much to do with each other if not for that.  I know Jeremiah harps on it being a "family" but that's because he needs them to be his family the most since he has none two times over (being adopted and leaving the Amish).

I agree but did you see how she claims the counselor/pastor "encouraged" her to go?  I am sure she told him the show was asking her to go, which is probably the truth and I can't believe that no one close to her sees anything wrong with her publicly going to LV right after such a traumatic experience - one would think, anyway.  Maybe they encouraged it because how else is she going to earn any money?

I also agree that Abe isn't as pussywhipped as Jeremiah makes him out to be.  He's just acting like a responsible adult husband, which Jeremiah interprets as being pussywhipped, which just about gives us a picture window into his soul.  I take that to mean he's a misogynist who believes in keeping a woman under his thumb, which Carmela has unfortunately realized a little late.  Abe quitting the trucking route is not being pussywhipped - he knows what's best for his family.  At this point, Rebecca has potentially more future earning power than he does so supporting her is going to benefit him too.  I also can't believe that Abe is so positive about Jeremiah to the point of calling him a "good guy", etc.  I guess he bought into this "new Jeremiah" image when Jeremiah married Carmela and seemed to be getting his life back on track.  I wonder how Abe feels about him now after his abusiveness towards Carmela made the news.

I have to check to see if this last one is on demand yet or wait for it to be on tomorrow morning. Rather on demand because it goes faster though and its one of the few I can use the FF button on. LOL Yet I had felt they were done last season with having to deal the yelling from so many towards Rebecca. Really this show would have given me anxiety from doing it and dealing with that shit from Sabrina and Jeremiah. Thinking about it did she ever mention she had it in the past or was this something that just started up over the last couple of seasons? If so could explain why. 

I thought it was done a couple seasons ago myself because of how it ended. I think it was one of those that they didn't know if they were coming back or not though. Obviously the way last season ended we knew we were getting another season. I had figured with the episodes on the different cast member's stories that it was hinting at it being the end. I am honestly hoping so because people like Sabrina and Jeremiah need help and not to be on tv.

I am not surprised Sabrina claims to be encourage to go. When in all reality there is no way in HELL a real counselor/pastor would EVER tell her to go to Vegas of all places. Especially an addict. That is one of the last places someone like her needs to be. Yet of course the show wants to have her go for whatever drama they can have with it or "fake apology" they force poor Rebecca to give out. SMH 

I take the whole Abe calling Jeremiah a "good guy" as scripted. I don't think he has believed him to be a "good guy" most the time he has known him. It would be interesting to hear his views on Jeremiah after this latest arrest.  

1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:

Then he's bought & paid for as well.

You know I've seen this a lot, even in my own family, of people thinking someone who had serious issues all of a sudden has it together just because they got married.  Marriage doesn't mean those issues went away or were resolved. Across the board all I've seen is another person (or people, considering if they have children) brought into the mess... & then there's usually the divorce, that no one ever saw coming. Really? How lame.

Agree another bought and paid for but doesn't surprise me for this show or anything on "reality tv". Its got to fit with the story, right? SMH

And yeah not marriage thing but have seen shit with my own family where it was jail they landed in and another family member thinking it taught the one a lesson. I wasn't stupid enough to believe that. I knew it didn't and it has showed over the years I was right but those don't see it because they enable each other's crap to begin with. Thankfully no one else is involved (like kids) but when you see messes that bring kids into the mix, its just so much worse. 

1 hour ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Possibly because Abe is a class act, and beating the crap out of Jeremiah (though he has proven time and again that he richly deserves it) would put him on the same level with Jeremiah.  Abe has also seen plenty of people, including his own family members thrown in jail for far less.

i also think Rebecca and the kids keep him grounded.  He clearly loves being a husband and father and seems to really "get" the easily misunderstood Rebecca  more than anyone else in the group.  She does not suffer fools gladly and she wants to better herself, neither of which I could never fault anyone for.  She's seen what drugs have done to her friends and family and clearly wants no part of being hurt again by one more death or addiction. 

Completely agree!! Abe is what a good man really is. He is a good husband and father. Things Jeremiah has no clue about. Abe and Rebecca seem to just work well in each way needed to make a marriage work out and raise their girls. I have always liked Rebecca on this show. I thought she was one of the smarter ones and saw through the bs that went on with Jeremiah...and Sabrina later on. I, for one, get not wanting that crap around your family. Sometimes there are certain kind of people, family or not, you do not need in your life at all and have to shut out. Its not easy to do at times but when its not you have to remain strong in your stance. She has done so. I say good for her. 

[DeeReynolds]

I have thought this after just about every season of this show, but this time I would be very surprised if they had another season. Abe and Rebecca are over it. Kate is already gone. Jeremiah beat up his wife and Sabrina is still on drugs with both having recent arrests. It seems like usually TLC stays wary of current legal trouble. So that leaves Mary? I'm sure she would trip over the bishop to have her own show, but who wants to watch a crazy pretend Amish lady drink and swing around a pole solo for 3 hours on Sunday nights?

I'm also very surprised that we didn't have a TH of Mary this episode with regards to being at Hooters. "In the Amish, we don't have Hooters. We like to let them swing low, sweet chariots. Chester wouldn't approve of me being around all these fake breasts, but my father died so I'm going to play blackjack with the Hooters dealer all I want."

[OnceSane]

34 minutes ago, DeeReynolds said:

So that leaves Mary? I'm sure she would trip over the bishop to have her own show

I think she'd trip the bishop to stay on TV.