Season Seven: The Reset Anticipation/Apprehension/Dread Topic

[daxx]

15 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

From her interviews with her play, it sounded like she may not even be back for the premiere.

She is contracted for one episode. I would actually prefer that to be the finale so hopefully she is busy for the premiere filming.

[Camera One]

They will probably do flashbacks in the premiere to show Adult Henry leaving the nest.  I can see them having Henry only say goodbye to Hook because he doesn't want to make Emma sad.  But then Regina shows up anyway because nothing gets past her, of course, and they have a tearful goodbye.  

Edited July 5, 2017 by Camera One

[daxx]

So Adam posted on Instagram that they were having the first table read of the season. They don't usually have table reads. They've mentioned in the past they have rehearsals prior to shooting but no table reads. Could this be something ABC demanded to get the filming more efficient so they don't film 20 more minutes than they need to fill the episode? Very curious. I wonder if this will improve the episodes.

[Camera One]

Maybe it's because they have a new cast so that's a good way to get everyone on the same page.  This story is about Regina and Rumple, and you all stand there and look pretty.

[daxx]

30 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Maybe it's because they have a new cast so that's a good way to get everyone on the same page.  This story is about Regina and Rumple, and you all stand there and look pretty.

Although it appears Colin is doing all the press. SDCC and D23.

[Souris]

30 minutes ago, daxx said:

Although it appears Colin is doing all the press. SDCC and D23.

They know Regina's fans will tune in, but they don't know if CS fans will tune in without Emma. So they're pushing Hook in hopes CS fans will stick around for just him (and his new love interest) after CS's happy ending is destroyed.

I don't know that Colin WAS already contracted for S7. Deadline said he signed a new contract for S7.

Edited July 6, 2017 by Souris

[Camera One]

Maybe he re-signed for another 7 more seasons, LOL.

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

I don't know that Colin WAS already contracted for S7. Deadline said he signed a new contract for S7.

He would have been under contract, as he joined in Season 2, but he probably resigned an updated one for who know how many more years! lol

10 hours ago, Camera One said:

Snow's umm... that's a toughie.

Snow's wig...duh! ;-)

[cappoe]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

They know Regina's fans will tune in, but they don't know if CS fans will tune in without Emma. So they're pushing Hook in hopes CS fans will stick around for just him (and his new love interest) after CS's happy ending is destroyed.

I don't know that Colin WAS already contracted for S7. Deadline said he signed a new contract for S7.

Hook isn't getting a new love interest, where did you hear this and please don't say it's going to happen. Weren't you the one that was certain that Lucy was gonna be Hook's daughter with Tiger Lily? I also believe you suggested that Emma would hook up with the bartender in 6x15? Did either of those end up happening?

No CS fan is gonna stick around if CS is destroyed in the season premiere and the writers know this. I don't think they're gonna do anything stupid like that. Yeah sure they'll be separated but they'll be reunited just like Rumbelle. This is just unfortunately the story they've decided to tell even though I would have prefer it ended with S6.

Colin  is STILL on his remaining one from S2 and also Bobby is leaving at the end of this season already and he signed a new contract as well. So just cause some signed new contracts doesn't mean it's for multiple years. I highly doubt the show will see a S8 but if it does I don't expect them keeping Colin, Bobby, or Lana in S8. Maybe Lana but the others will very likely leave. 

Edited July 6, 2017 by cappoe

[RedKeep]

If - IF - the show were to continue past season 7, I really don't see why Colin O'Donoghue would be more likely to leave than Lana Parrilla. They're both in the same boat in the sense that this show is their biggest commercial acting success so far and they both have families to support. Robert Carlyle is a different story because of the career he's had since long before he joined the show, but the other two aren't exactly in a similar position. I have no doubt they're under no illusions regarding the quality of the show, but sometimes stable work and a safe paycheck every month goes a long way.

[Shanna Marie]

9 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

He would have been under contract, as he joined in Season 2, but he probably resigned an updated one for who know how many more years! lol

It may have just been a renegotiation of terms. His existing contract was for a newbie who joined the show in midstream, so he got third-tier billing, regardless of the role he ended up playing on the show. Now a lot of the people who were billed ahead of him are gone, and he's one of the returning cast anchors to the show. Billing is specified in the contract, and that's something they'd have to figure out going forward. Will he now be considered one of the "leads" even if the story is centered around adult Henry (kind of like Ginny was after season 1, where she was still billed as a lead even though she had a smaller role)?

As for careers and who might leave, Colin is in a pretty tricky place. He had a leading role opposite Anthony Hopkins in a major film before this series, so his chances of getting more roles like that are pretty good with his added fame. He's probably at peak levels of whatever fame he'll get from this role, but the role limits his options for what else he can do. He can't do another series, and he has to work any movie roles around his shooting schedule (and then there's fitting in time for family and music), so he's mostly done smaller films or small roles that could be shot in a day or two. There's likely an opportunity cost to staying on the show much longer, since he's in his mid-30 and the clock is ticking. Men have a bigger window for "young and hot" in Hollywood than women do, but generally if you haven't made a name as a dashing leading man by the time you're 40, it might not happen. Then there's the fact that playing a role like Hook in the Sunday-evening anchor show has a different cachet than being in a dying show relegated to Friday night, so staying longer could end up hurting his career. But this is a guaranteed paycheck, and there are no real guarantees in this business. When you leave a series to cash in on the fame it got you, you can't know up front if you're going to be a David Caruso or a George Clooney.

[RadioGirl27]

I don't know if this is the right place but here we have the first five new additions, all women. 

[KingOfHearts]

25 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

I don't know if this is the right place but here we have the first five new additions, all women. 

Henry's scorned ex-girlfriends?

Edited July 6, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

You can't have enough main characters on this show.  I wonder who will draw the short straw and end up standing around doing nothing by mid-season?

31 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Henry's scorned ex-girlfriends?

I can totally see A&E doing a "mystery" of Who's Lucy's mother, as we see Henry flirting with each of the five women in flashback.  Who did he get pregnant?

[cappoe]

On the plus side for CS fans, none of those woman give off a vibe of Hook's LI even if he's cursed.

Diana is Henry's wife/Elena of Avalor

Gabriella is Big Bad aka Shuriki from Elena of Avalor. 

The other 3 I'm pretty sure they're Tiana, Sophia the First. and maybe Henry Love interest #2 but I'm hoping that Adelaide is CS daughter.

[KingOfHearts]

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I can totally see A&E doing a "mystery" of Who's Lucy's mother, as we see Henry flirting with each of the five women in flashback.  Who did he get pregnant?

"And that, Lucy, is how I met your... Aunt Violet."

Edited July 6, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[InsertWordHere]

It's How I Met Your Mother combined with the rom com Definitely, Maybe only actual memory alteration may most definitely will be involved. Oh joy. 

[cappoe]

Be that as it may, this season is still gonna be trash. Hence the move to Friday.

[Rumsy4]

That's the title of Lucy's storybook: How I met Your Mother. 

[KingOfHearts]

7 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

That's the title of Lucy's storybook: How I met Your Mother. 

We think Jen is coming back to play Emma, but she's really coming back to play Zoey.

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Be that as it may, this season is still gonna be trash. Hence the move to Friday.

It's going to be exactly the same as everything else, just the worst parts. Since Henry is a lead now, it's going to suck ten times more. The writers are still spinning their wheels with dumbass curses.

Edited July 6, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

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Diana is Henry's wife/Elena of Avalor

Gabriella is Big Bad aka Shuriki from Elena of Avalor. 

The other 3 I'm pretty sure they're Tiana, Sophia the First.

I've never heard of those characters before, but I just looked them up and saw they are Disney animated TV shows.  I know their source material has run dry, but I was hoping for more traditional fairy tales/folk tales/myths.  I also don't have access to the Disney channel, so wouldn't be able to appreciate any references they do make.

[cappoe]

Just now, Camera One said:

I've never heard of those characters before, but I just looked them up and saw they are Disney animated TV shows.  I know their source material has run dry, but I was hoping for more traditional fairy tales/folk tales/myths.  I also don't have access to the Disney channel, so wouldn't be able to appreciate any references they do make.

If they want to try to bring in a family audience bringing in Disney TV show princesses seems smart. It'll fail horribly though.

[Camera One]

They may get a bunch of new viewers from the fans of all those new actresses.  Traditionally, the casting on this show elevates the writing, so A&E will probably luck out that way yet again.

[RedKeep]

Casting Adelaide Kane was definitely a smart move, I have to admit. She comes with a build-in, youngish fanbase that they're likely aiming for with regards to their viewerhip anyway and everyone who has made it through four full seasons of what quickly became a very typical CW show might not have that much trouble adjusting to the writing for OUAT.

[Anna35]

5 hours ago, RedKeep said:

Casting Adelaide Kane was definitely a smart move, I have to admit. She comes with a build-in, youngish fanbase that they're likely aiming for with regards to their viewerhip anyway and everyone who has made it through four full seasons of what quickly became a very typical CW show might not have that much trouble adjusting to the writing for OUAT.

The type of people who watch CW shows are the same people who aren't sitting at home watching ABC on a Friday night. 

[Camera One]

Maybe that's why Netflix is willing to contribute some money.  That audience can binge later.

[Delphi]

 Ugh.  I don't wanna watch this.   They don't get to cast Gabrielle Anwar to try to hook me in,  it's not fair. 

[RedKeep]

2 hours ago, Camera One said:

Maybe that's why Netflix is willing to contribute some money.  That audience can binge later.

Yup. I really don't think they're banking on classic, live/same-day ratings at this point.

[sharky]

1 hour ago, RedKeep said:

Yup. I really don't think they're banking on classic, live/same-day ratings at this point.

To be fair, I don't think most shows are banking on same- day ratings at this point. 

[superloislane]

I don't know any of those actresses so I still really don't care at all

[Camera One]

They hired five actresses and the media only reported after the table read, just when A&E wanted.  You gotta give A&E props for holding so tightly on the reins of the media.  As they say, #Nospoilers.

[maryle]

I am trying to be open mind but but I looked at the spoiler pic and...I can I saiy... 

The actress (don't know them) are all pretty. There that!

And, I do kinda like the new Henry!

But, it is just too much like season 1. And, season for me is the best but they already done it and since just trying to repeat the same recette with different ingredients.

The good news is will be easy to follow the plot without watching every week!

Work for me!

[superloislane]

On 07/07/2017 at 9:32 AM, RedKeep said:

Casting Adelaide Kane was definitely a smart move, I have to admit. She comes with a build-in, youngish fanbase that they're likely aiming for with regards to their viewerhip anyway

I didn't know who this was before so I looked her up - she was on a show called Reign? That show was barely scraping half a million viewers and a 0.2 rating which is bad even for a CW show! No offence to anyone who likes her but I highly doubt she's bringing in any new audience.

[sharky]

The show was in its final season this year with an abbreviated season and was on for four seasons. It may not be pulling Flash numbers but it did pretty well for a CW show in terms of ratings. And at its height, it was getting well over a million viewers.

[maryle]

Honestly, I just don't think it is realistic to think this young, pretty and probably good actress (don't know her) can suffire to draw new viewer and I hope nobody will blame her!

First, she is not a regular and I heard last year that the well like Galavant actress will be a draw and well... It didn't really happened. Maybe, some will follow her but overall the media, fans are not overjoy and mostly pessimistic!

The show will be in his seven season and very probably will have a fractional audience all year!

And,  I certainly won't blame the newbies for it!

[Serena]

Honestly, I don't think any of the new castings will make a difference. But, it's undeniable that Adelaide has a passionate fandom of mostly young people.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Serena

[scenicbyway]

So, even when (if) Lucy gets Henry to believe...in magic, the curse, whatever, what's the point?  Emma got her family as a result of believing, Henry's family is off the show with the exception of Hook, Regina and Rumple.  What's the happy ending supposed to be?  Henry believes his daughter and gets a girlfriend and doesn't have to live in an apartment?

[Rumsy4]

And everyone remembers everything and they'll all find each other in a cameo-laden finale. Isn't that lovely? ;-p

[KingOfHearts]

Isn't it weird that Hook was totally sidelined in the finale, but is a main character in the next season?

Edited July 11, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[maryle]

Just saw that canadagraph identified one of the new female character as Jacinda?

Don't know any farytell character with that name!

[Shanna Marie]

One of the tricky things of what we know about the upcoming season is the time jump. Henry is probably around 14 years (or more) older than he was in season 6, but they have the same actors as Regina and Hook, so how will they handle the age discrepancy? The obvious and easy answer is a time bubble to go with whatever curse has Henry away from his family and apparently not believing in curses and fairy tales.

But I was thinking about this and found myself wondering if they will address it. After all, they used the same actors to play these characters as teenagers and in their mid-to-late 30s, with only minor hair and makeup changes. There was no change at all in Hook between the time Bae was a small child and when he was at least 14. So, would they think they needed to change anything to depict these characters in their late 40s/early 50s?

Or, if we're not also seeing a lot of the other regularly recurring characters (Granny, Grumpy, etc.), I guess there are handwaves they could use. Rumple is already immortal. There's a fantasy trope that people with magical powers age more slowly (like the Apprentice -- still alive centuries later), and that could apply to Regina (and Emma, whenever she shows up). Or Regina might have found the Dragon Eggshell cream Cruella and Ursula left behind. With Hook, it could have something to do with the time he spent as Dark One (which would also apply to Emma) or the fact that he was resurrected.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

On 7/6/2017 at 2:27 PM, Camera One said:

You can't have enough main characters on this show.  I wonder who will draw the short straw and end up standing around doing nothing by mid-season?

I can totally see A&E doing a "mystery" of Who's Lucy's mother, as we see Henry flirting with each of the five women in flashback.  Who did he get pregnant?

Wow, it's been awhile since I've been on this board (S7 'anticipation' is kinda depressing...) so I had a lot to catch up on.  But I thought they were trying to skew to a younger audience with the reboot?   Of those 5 actresses, only one is what I'd really consider 'younger' - the only others are around the same age as the rest of the cast they let go.  

[jhlipton]

On 7/6/2017 at 0:15 PM, Shanna Marie said:

It may have just been a renegotiation of terms.

According to the "we are not racists" at CBS, once a casting is done, it's settled (except for Scott Caan).  So it doesn't matter if Chin Hook has become more of a lead, it would "set a bad precedent" to up his salary now.

On 7/6/2017 at 2:35 PM, cappoe said:

On the plus side for CS fans, none of those woman give off a vibe of Hook's LI even if he's cursed.

Diana is Henry's wife/Elena of Avalor

Gabriella is Big Bad aka Shuriki from Elena of Avalor. 

The other 3 I'm pretty sure they're Tiana, Sophia the First. and maybe Henry Love interest #2 but I'm hoping that Adelaide is CS daughter.

This looks like speculation to me -- any sites backing this up?

[Anna35]

I doubt the show is doing an Elena of Avalor arc. That sounds very fake to me, like someone googled Latina Princess and decided Dania must be playing Elena when she was the only one that came up. 

[MadyGirl1987]

6 hours ago, Anna35 said:

I doubt the show is doing an Elena of Avalor arc. That sounds very fake to me, like someone googled Latina Princess and decided Dania must be playing Elena when she was the only one that came up. 

While I can see that happening, I can see why the show would do an Elena of Avalor arc. She seems like a pretty popular princess. I mean, they had the whole Elena Royal Welcome show in front of the castle at Walt Disney World which started last year. My only doubts come from feeling that if they were doing Elena I feel like it would be promoted or teased somehow in the finale like Elsa was at the end of season 3. Maybe once spoilers and promotional materials come out as the summer goes on we could get an announcement. I will say that if I they do Elena, there will be control from above like with Frozen, although maybe not as much since she is nowhere as wildly popular  as Frozen.

[ParadoxLost]

12 hours ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

While I can see that happening, I can see why the show would do an Elena of Avalor arc. She seems like a pretty popular princess. I mean, they had the whole Elena Royal Welcome show in front of the castle at Walt Disney World which started last year. My only doubts come from feeling that if they were doing Elena I feel like it would be promoted or teased somehow in the finale like Elsa was at the end of season 3. Maybe once spoilers and promotional materials come out as the summer goes on we could get an announcement. I will say that if I they do Elena, there will be control from above like with Frozen, although maybe not as much since she is nowhere as wildly popular  as Frozen.

I don't see them doing this.  I would guess that Elena of Avalor is more unknown than known.  Its a one season cartoon on Disney Jr that seems like its not based on any well known or even obscure fairy tale.  Maybe it is Elena.  But that wouldn't be something they could really promote.

[kingshearte]

On 7/10/2017 at 3:23 PM, Shanna Marie said:

There was no change at all in Hook between the time Bae was a small child and when he was at least 14.

Wasn't he living in Neverland and/or immortal or something during that time?

[Shanna Marie]

6 hours ago, kingshearte said:

Wasn't he living in Neverland and/or immortal or something during that time?

No. I'm talking about between the time he met Milah, when Bae was a small child, and the time Rumple cut off his hand, which was after Bae went through the portal (which was after Bae was 14, since that was when Rumple became Dark One, and we don't know how long after Rumple became the Dark One it was before Bae left). Hook didn't go to Neverland until after Rumple cut off his hand and killed Milah. That's when he stopped aging. But in the time before that, he should have been aging from maybe early 20s to around 30 or so.

[KingOfHearts]

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They wrote Belle and Zelena into the ground, gave the actresses nearly nothing to work with and then declined to have them continue on the show as soon as the opportunity came about. If I were Emilie especially, I would not be very happy with A&E. 

We all guessed Belle would be written out for a long time. It always seemed odd for her to be a regular, since the writers never cared about her story. She was always just an accessory for Rumple, and sometimes he didn't even care about her. It seemed like she was only there to appease the Rumpbelle shippers. Yet, at the same time, the writers have been convinced she would be part of Rumple's happy ending. They've been so determined that no breakup or heinous act could possibly separate them longer than five minutes. If the writers had intention of separating her from Rumple, they would have done it ages ago. With Gideon still a thing, it's doubtful she'd be killed off.

Zelena, OTOH, it's much easier to write off. It's not because she's bland or her character doesn't hold its own, but because the writers refused to give her any relevance outside of Regina. And even then, the sisterly relationship was very weak. Regina could drop her like a hot potato any second. I'm angry about Zelena's absence for her sake. She had a lot of potential.

[Shanna Marie]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

We all guessed Belle would be written out for a long time. It always seemed odd for her to be a regular, since the writers never cared about her story. She was always just an accessory for Rumple, and sometimes he didn't even care about her. It seemed like she was only there to appease the Rumpbelle shippers. Yet, at the same time, the writers have been convinced she would be part of Rumple's happy ending. They've been so determined that no breakup or heinous act could possibly separate them longer than five minutes. If the writers had intention of separating her from Rumple, they would have done it ages ago. With Gideon still a thing, it's doubtful she'd be killed off.

Yeah, on the one hand, I could see Belle being ditched if they needed to cut long-term characters because it's not as though she does anything anyway. But it's weird to cut her right after yet another breakup/reconciliation with Rumple, especially if they're going to keep Rumple as shady. They could have given her some integrity and let her leave him for good, but they ended the season with the big family dinner scene and him being part of the family and totally good because he made one good decision.

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

Zelena, OTOH, it's much easier to write off. It's not because she's bland or her character doesn't hold its own, but because the writers refused to give her any relevance outside of Regina. And even then, the sisterly relationship was very weak. Regina could drop her like a hot potato any second. I'm angry about Zelena's absence for her sake. She had a lot of potential.

Zelena being booted makes me angry on Marian's behalf. Marian was a potentially cool character, but in order to smooth over Regina's adultery with Robin and to bring back their latest shiny new toy, they retconned her into a pointless death. That would always have been annoying, but could have been eased if they'd ever done anything with Zelena. But then they promptly forgot to write Zelena, killed off Robin, and now are writing off Zelena, which makes you wonder, what was the point in any of that? For all the impact either Robin or Zelena had on the show, they might as well have just let Robin go back to Marian and all of them go back to Sherwood Forest, and kept Zelena dead. That wouldn't have changed anything at all in the plot, other than maybe Rumple's heart potion, but even there, couldn't he have just had the heart attack, recovered slightly, figured out what was really happening, and then schemed to come back to town?

As entertaining as she was, the way Zelena was used, she was pointless.