Zach and Tori

[Irate Panda]

40 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

I follow them on Instagram and whenever tori posts videos of Lilah there’s no talking just different levels of grunts, screams, shouts but no words. 
If she’s talking I’ve never heard it… her birthday is Nov 19, 2019

Thanks I only occasionally look at her IG unless someone here post something and I really don’t know when kids start talking but the reason I asked was one of the last IG post I saw Tori had Murphy shilling dog food lol and I wondered if Lilah was now jabbering with Jackson about those “great” crafts.

 

*Basically I was just being nosy if the whole family was shilling although I’m not sure Zach does though he may think he brought them the show so he’s done “his part”.

Edited April 3, 2022 by Irate Panda

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I agree Jackson had one surgery and another one will happen after he grows more and he is not in pain/discomfort at least visible to us.  I just feel bad for him.  He has my heart!

[babyhouseman]

6 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

Also, it’s been so long, but did Tori and Zach go to high school together?

I think Zach met her when she was working at the farm.

[Ms.Lulu]

7 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

I don’t always keep up with Tori’s social media but does Lilah talk yet (not sure how old she is or when kids really start talking)? If so, does she have her in those shill craft videos with Jackson yet or is Lilah just relegated to the bow shills? Also, it’s been so long, but did Tori and Zach go to high school together?

Kids start saying words between 10-15 months, By 18-24 months they can say simple sentences and know 50-100 words.  Between 24 and 36 months of age they can know up to 1000 words, have learned pronouns and start to have conversations.

Lilah is in her 29th month, so you'd expect some talking.  Of course, Jackson may choose to talk for her, so she may choose not to, but if she really is just grunting and screening then I'm sure an educator like Tori is taking her to specialists to ensure she isn't developmentally delayed.

[EllaWycliffe]

52 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

Lilah is in her 29th month, so you'd expect some talking.  Of course, Jackson may choose to talk for her, so she may choose not to, but if she really is just grunting and screening then I'm sure an educator like Tori is taking her to specialists to ensure she isn't developmentally delayed.

Also. at this age and until about four or so, wasn't Jackson also suspected of being severely developmentally delayed? Seems like he ended up a reasonably bright social kid. I'm willing to wait and see on this. 

[Ms.Lulu]

53 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Also. at this age and until about four or so, wasn't Jackson also suspected of being severely developmentally delayed? Seems like he ended up a reasonably bright social kid. I'm willing to wait and see on this. 

Jackson was talking when Lilah was born.  He was 2 1/2 then, so approximately Lilah's age now.  He is 4 now and turning 5 next month and he owns the place.

I am sure that if Lilah really isn't talking Zach and Tori are taking her to specialists who are looking at delays and considering whether Jackson is talking for her.  That can happen.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[EllaWycliffe]

Agreed. I'm sure if its a problem its being looked at. No one wants a non verbal child. 

[chenoa333]

Isn't Tori due with #3 pretty soon?

[Irate Panda]

19 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

Isn't Tori due with #3 pretty soon?

I thought she said the Spring but didn’t give the month but I could be wrong I can’t keep up with all the babies! Audrey’s, Sofia’s, Tori’s I lost track.

As much as some of these people get on my nerves I do wish them all a happy and healthy babies and pregnancies.  I wonder who the new baby will look like? Lilah looks like Tori’s mom to me but I’m not sure who Jackson resembles if anybody.  Well besides the guy in the Capital One ads lol, but it’s really just his eyes I think 🧐  

[EllaWycliffe]

Oh to me, Jackson looks very much like Tory. Lilah is still at an age where I can't quite see either parent although I do think she leans towards Tory and Tory's mom. I think its too soon to tell, as yet.

[chenoa333]

3 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

 I wonder who the new baby will look like?

As long as it doesn't look like Zac it will be a win.

[EllaWycliffe]

Agree although if its an average height baby, taking after Zach's side means a kid who looks like Ember or Bode, who are both cute kids. 

[ginger90]

Screenshot from a video:

[Joan of Argh]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Screenshot from a video:

Zach and another one of his dumb ideas

Zach is driving with Jackson standing in the shovel, if Jackson fell out of that bucket Zach wouldn’t be able to stop before hitting him

I couldn’t believe my eyes 🙄

[EllaWycliffe]

Like father like son. Matt used to do all kinds of unsafe shit. I remember if no one else does Matt driving the red mule with Jeremy literally hanging off the roof and everyone on the mule laughing. Likewise all kinds of stupid shit with tools and tractors.

[LilyD]

On 4/3/2022 at 9:52 PM, Foghorn Leghorn said:

I agree Jackson had one surgery and another one will happen after he grows more and he is not in pain/discomfort at least visible to us.  I just feel bad for him.  He has my heart!

I guess this is a completely different side to raising a special needs kid. Their condition is not just about staying small and facing all kinds of challenges in daily life, including unfortunately, bullying or people making fun of them. 

It's also known that people with Jackson and Lilah's condition will be facing all kinds of serious and painful medical issues. When I see those pictures of Jackson, my heart breaks. Those legs and joints must hurt so much! I had to think of Zack too who always had those horrendous headaches and those painful surgeries to alleviate it. Not to mention all the other surgeries he had. 

 

[Dustbunny]

On 4/16/2022 at 12:46 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Zach and another one of his dumb ideas

Zach is driving with Jackson standing in the shovel, if Jackson fell out of that bucket Zach wouldn’t be able to stop before hitting him

I couldn’t believe my eyes 🙄

it's even worse when you think that years ago people did lots of stuff that was not a good idea or safe, like no seat belts in cars, metal dashboards in cars, lawnmowers with no guards around the blade etc etc, I could go on and on.

I remember as a child saving money waiting for Halloween when I would run to the corner store with my siblings and buy all the firecrackers we could carry home, my older brothers who were 12 and 14 would buy 2 inch, 4 inch and 6 inch bombs, basically like small sticks of dynamite.

They'd literally blow holes in tin cans, blow dirt 10 ft into the air and other crazy things and every single year there were news reports of kids blowing a finger off or losing an eyeball to firecrackers but it was the norm for many, many years and kids were allowed to buy fireworks of all sizes, shapes and descriptions.

Since then the powers that be have stepped in and regulated a lot of those things to keep kids and adults safe but the Roloff's just carry on doing stupid shit that most people know is not a good idea and could actually result in serious injury.

They have this attitude about not babying their kids to the point of stupidity.

Hubby and I didn't baby our kids but we also didn't do stupid shit that could put them in harms way for no reason.

[LilyD]

The video of Jackson in the shovel.... I have partially grown up on a farm and this breaks virtually every single safety rule farmers have! Jackson doesn't stand a chance if he tumbles out of it (very likely on a bumpy field) as Zach will immediately drive over him if he does... What was this idiot thinking??? Of all the things he has done over the years, this must be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen him do.

That brings me to one thing that has been bothering me for some time. We all know Zach isn't the sharpest tool in the shed (to put it mildly) but there have been quite a few instances where I really doubted his mental capacities / overall intelligence. One thing that comes to mind is where Amy tried to help Zach with a presentation for school that involved baking something. He was in middle school or maybe his senior year back then. It was downright ridiculous what he produced. A 6-year-old would have done a better job. And I can't even begin to mention all the times he said something very stupid, didn't know a basic fact or behaved in a very childish way. All I see now, is an adult with the mental capacity of a child trying to raise a child. I find it pretty worrying. Curious to hear your thoughts on this?

[EllaWycliffe]

5 hours ago, LilyD said:

All I see now, is an adult with the mental capacity of a child trying to raise a child.

I don't think he's very smart but he's not of special needs level intellect ie he's not mentally a child. 

The task with Amy was a school assignment he didn't want to do. It was in the kitchen and he's been raised since birth that men aren't men if they're in the kitchen doing something other than eating or grilling meat so he basically refused to be good at it or learn anything. I'd also argue that Zach's lack of enthusiasm for school stems from untreated depression - granted I am just an armchair psychologist but he seemed pretty depressed his junior and senior year of high school and...  some apparently serious hearing loss that was addressed in one episode for laughs but belays an underlying problem. There's an episode where he ends up having ear surgery where its fairly obvious that the camera was hiding - until they wanted to make fun of the kid - the reality that Zach was fairly constantly asking "what?" and not hearing half what was said to him. While I think Zach is shy, part of the reason he was so awkward and spoke so poorly and "slushy" is because he's clearly got a hearing deficit and no one seemed to think that was a problem.

The safety issues on equipment? Yeah, sorry, feel free to chime "all roads lead to Matt" but really, have you seen how Matt did things with the boys with equipment? There was never safety equipment or rules or concerns about safety. Matt controlled the outdoors, remember and Matt never said boo to boys riding on top of the mule roof, for example. He cheerfully endorsed it with driving the mule while Jeremy was hanging off the roof with two hands. Matt never had a problem with kids riding atvs or bikes without helmets, or kids playing "apple war" ie whipping apples at each other as hard as you can, or building a deadly middle ages war engine and then letting a nine year old play with it. The ONLY time I ever saw Matt interfere on the side of safety was a camping trip where he took away a gun that one of the boy's friends brought and then he has the dumb idea to "teach" them about weapons by showing off how he could fire it if he was propped up on a mule for support. This also involved Zach being encouraged to fire the gun despite the kick literally knocking him to the ground. Heck, Matt doesn't even wear a seat belt in the various atvs he tools around in and certainly never requires anyone wear them (with one stunning exception - an episode where it was Roloff Family Game Day and apparently they'd gotten feedback about the lack of seat belting) Matt raised the twins with the idea that 'boys will be boys! boys are adventerous! boys don't need safety! thats sissy!' - complete with calling Jacob a sissy on one occasion.  Safety was never encouraged on Roloff Farms. Thats why as parents now, both Zach and Jeremy tend to do dumbass things like this with Zach or Jeremy driving with a baby in his lap or letting his kids roast marshmellows on the wood he ripped out of his moldy bathroom or letting Ember ride in his old rattle trap van without a seat belt since its on private property so she doesn't have to. They were basically told from early on that you can do whatever you want on your own property and you can justify it by saying it was how you were raised and kids shouldn't be wrapped in bubble wrap. 

Personally, I think letting the kid ride in the scoop is incredibly dumb. I'm just utterly certain based on equipment availability and how Zach was raised that he can say without lying that it was something he was allowed to do as a child. 

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

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The video of Jackson in the shovel.... I have partially grown up on a farm and this breaks virtually every single safety rule farmers have! Jackson doesn't stand a chance if he tumbles out of it (very likely on a bumpy field) as Zach will immediately drive over him if he does... What was this idiot thinking??? Of all the things he has done over the years, this must be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen him do.

I actually knew somebody who had a farm property that somehow got run over by his own tractor (I'm guessing he got off and there was some kind of malfunction).  Took his leg clean off and he bled to death right in the field.  

We had discussion a while back about Jackson and his leg surgery.  They shut down the growth plate on one of the bones of each leg so that the other bone continues to grow and straightens the leg out very gradually.  Bones don't grow super quickly so it would be something tracked by x-ray over time.  Plus it's more than cosmetic. It will hopefully prevent Jackson from getting arthritis in his hips and back as he gets older (which is much harder to address). 

[SunnyBeBe]

On 4/16/2022 at 11:40 AM, ginger90 said:

Screenshot from a video:

Can anyone confirm that Jackson is actually inside the bucket and not standing on the other side of it?  Not that standing there would be safe, either, but somewhat better than being in the bucket.  

[EllaWycliffe]

I don't see his feet under the bucket and he's really not that tall.

 

[Dustbunny]

28 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Can anyone confirm that Jackson is actually inside the bucket and not standing on the other side of it?  Not that standing there would be safe, either, but somewhat better than being in the bucket.  

it's a video and Jackson was IN the bucket as Zach drove

Here's another moron who killed two of his kids while basically doing the same thing.

These two kids were not dwarfs and probably a lot more agile than Jackson plus they were older than Jackson but they still couldn't get out of the way after falling from the bucket.

Dad, 40, fatally runs over his two children, 7 and 11, after they fall from the bucket of backhoe he was driving

[Dustbunny]

51 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Can anyone confirm that Jackson is actually inside the bucket and not standing on the other side of it?  Not that standing there would be safe, either, but somewhat better than being in the bucket.  

You can watch the video here:

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/5139354/little-people-tori-roloff-zach-jackson-tractor-ride/

 

[SunnyBeBe]

24 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

You can watch the video here:

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/5139354/little-people-tori-roloff-zach-jackson-tractor-ride/

 

Thank you.

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

I actually knew somebody who had a farm property that somehow got run over by his own tractor (I'm guessing he got off and there was some kind of malfunction).  Took his leg clean off and he bled to death right in the field.  

That's happened far more often than it should.  Those of us who grew up in farming country probably have at least one if not more similar stories.  Matt and his sons have been very fortunate that they haven't had much worse accidents than they have.

[SunnyBeBe]

56 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

You can watch the video here:

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/5139354/little-people-tori-roloff-zach-jackson-tractor-ride/

 

It says Farm Life, but is it confirmed this took place on the Roloff farm?

[Dustbunny]

19 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

It says Farm Life, but is it confirmed this took place on the Roloff farm?

No... it took place at Zach and Toris new home that sits on an acre or so of land with a stream and wooded area.

EDIT TO ADD: Just checked and it's described as about 2 acres of land with fields, wooded area and a stream.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Dustbunny
update

[SunnyBeBe]

2 hours ago, Dustbunny said:

No... it took place at Zach and Toris new home that sits on an acre or so of land with a stream and wooded area.

EDIT TO ADD: Just checked and it's described as about 2 acres of land with fields, wooded area and a stream.

What state is it in?

[Dustbunny]

Just now, SunnyBeBe said:

What state is it in?

Washington

[SunnyBeBe]

1 minute ago, Dustbunny said:

Washington

Thank you.

[chenoa333]

9 hours ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

Plus it's more than cosmetic. It will hopefully prevent Jackson from getting arthritis in his hips and back as he gets older (which is much harder to address). 

Hopefully it will make Jackson think unselfishly about having children who could inherit those same physical disabilities. Maybe Jackson will decide not to have kids other than adopting. 

[EllaWycliffe]

9 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Hopefully it will make Jackson think unselfishly about having children who could inherit those same physical disabilities

Zach had multiple painful operations and still chose to have children.

Hey, Matt Roloff likes to go on about spending his childhood in a hospital and crying out to God to end his pain and still willfully chose to breed - including a son who ended up with multiple painful operations just like Daddy Matt. Clearly a painful childhood doesn't stop people from choosing to have children. 

[LilyD]

On 4/20/2022 at 7:02 AM, EllaWycliffe said:

Zach had multiple painful operations and still chose to have children.

Hey, Matt Roloff likes to go on about spending his childhood in a hospital and crying out to God to end his pain and still willfully chose to breed - including a son who ended up with multiple painful operations just like Daddy Matt. Clearly a painful childhood doesn't stop people from choosing to have children. 

I looked some things up and Amy and Matt have different forms of dwarfism. Matt's condition is autosomal recessive. This means that he'd have to have a partner with the exact same genetic fault to have a 25% chance for a child with this specific disorder, making it pretty unlikey for one of his children to have this.

Amy and Zach have Achondroplasia which is autosmal dominant. That means that they will always have a 50% chance for a child with Achondroplasia. Even with a healthy partner. A lot of these kids develop all kinds of medical issues and some are more easily treated than others. Some kids have little or no issues at all (like Amy).

To bring this back to Zach and Tori: I'm sure they knew they had a huge chance to have a child with Achondroplasia. The Roloffs have shown us all that dwarfism is no issue for big dreams coming true. So, I don't think that the risk for dwarfism in itself was a huge issue to them. Did they factor in all the medical issues? I don't know, can you ever, even with healthy kids? You can have achondroplasia and have little problems.  Amy has always stayed fairly healthy after all. I'm just wondering about baby 3 if you already have two special needs kids...How do you manage all your time, three kids means you're going to have a really busy life (I can tell!)

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by LilyD
shortened lengthy post

[Joan of Argh]

Good grief… 🙄

[stoppro]

WTF asshole

[chenoa333]

6 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

Good grief… 🙄

Before and after what?

[ginger90]

10 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Before and after what?

Shilling a product…..

Shockingly, the eyelashes improved her skin, also! 🤣😂

[stoppro]

Man! I really dislike this scammer tribe.Another MLM jerkoff.

[chenoa333]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Shilling a product…..

Shockingly, the eyelashes improved her skin, also! 🤣😂

Thanks for explaining that! I couldn't figure out what she was pimping. So it's eyelashes. The fake eyelashes on her right eye do not match the fake eyelashes on her left eye. 

If those lashes are "individual lashes" they are very expensive to have applied and fall out after 2-3 weeks. (Speaking from experience.)  

Tori should be more worried about her gross, fat lower lip than getting lash extensions. And where is Lil Papa (Zach?) 😂

[stewedsquash]

Okay she is a terrible spokesperson for these:

https://flutterhabit.com/

I couldn't figure out why she would be bragging on those lashes above in the after when there are gaps in them and they look like they have splotchy mascara on them. Turns out, they are do it yourself kits. She is bad at doing it and the site would benefit from banishing her from ever ever ever being a spokesperson for them again. 

ETA Nevermind. They can keep her as a spokesperson. She is not the worst. I watched some 20 second videos at the link and she is at the top of the heap, freak wise. Full body shudder. 

FYI her very filtered picture above is tame compared to the videos. Another full body shudder.

Edited April 28, 2022 by stewedsquash

[chenoa333]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Shilling a product…..

Shockingly, the eyelashes improved her skin, also! 🤣😂

And her big fat lower lip shrunk, her hair was styled. Dang those eyelashes do all THAT?😂

[ginger90]

[Absolom]

I'm guessing she owns the sidewalk.  Following in Jackson's footsteps.

[pdlinda]

Please indulge me this question because I keep believing that Lilah's hair will attain some body and length?? 

Is it typical for a 2 yr old to have slow hair growth? 

My kids and now grandkids had substantial heads of hair at the age of 2 but perhaps that's not common?

[Ms.Lulu]

5 hours ago, pdlinda said:

Please indulge me this question because I keep believing that Lilah's hair will attain some body and length?? 

Is it typical for a 2 yr old to have slow hair growth? 

My kids and now grandkids had substantial heads of hair at the age of 2 but perhaps that's not common?

I was a cue ball for my first two years and then I had a full head of wavy platinum blond hair by the time I was 3.  By  middle school my hair was thick, dark and curly.  

Based on her parents' hair I expect Lilah will develop thicker dark brown hair this year.

But who knows.  Some kids as young as Lilah can pull out their hair due to stress.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[riverblue22]

Isn't it about time for that third baby?  Seems like she has been pregnant forever!

[SunnyBeBe]

I can’t tell a lot about Lilah’s hair from the photos, but in my family hair changes a lot with kids. We tend to have blonde or white hair babies, kids that turn darker and thicker later in.  

[pdlinda]

On 4/29/2022 at 6:54 PM, riverblue22 said:

Isn't it about time for that third baby?  Seems like she has been pregnant forever!

Agreed!  I seems like forever, ESPECIALLY since there are many topics Tori covers on her Insta acct (I don't follow it, only know about it from this board) but discussing her due date isn't one of them.  

I take it as a teaser for the show that is to begin airing soon. 

The SHOW is their main "meal ticket" so the more they can build up "excitement" regarding the impending birth, the better the advertisers like it and the better the producers like it.

[iwantcookies]

Well her ugly mug woke me up. Shudders. Why do those close up selfies?