Zach and Tori

[stoppro]

That dog is the only one in that house that knows what he is doing.

[ginger90]

[all4mom2]

No stocking for Murphy?  Please "gift" him to someone who will appreciate him!

[EllaWycliffe]

1 minute ago, all4mom2 said:

No stocking for Murphy?  Please "gift" him to someone who will appreciate him!

Not creating the dog a separate Christmas stocking isn't animal neglect. I have two friends who madly love their dogs. One actually takes their dogs to see Santa every year and does stockings etc. The other thinks thats the silliest thing in the world and does not but both dearly love and support their dogs. Some people just aren't into such cutesy displays. 

[all4mom2]

Tori is, however, so it'd be interesting to know if Sully got one.  Sometimes I think she actually resents that dog for not being the other dog.  That about her level of maturity...

[EllaWycliffe]

Don't recall Sully ever having one. Murphy seems to be well loved. 

[stoppro]

2 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

Tori is, however, so it'd be interesting to know if Sully got one.  Sometimes I think she actually resents that dog for not being the other dog.  That about her level of maturity...

Tori is all fucked up. she was supposed to marry into money and be a fame whore,But her plan went south,two medically challenged kids brain dead' bank' oops meant 'husband' a miscarriage,stuck with this brain dead family and committed to cranking out babies for TLC.I don't really like her much,but all that can't be much fun.With all these stupid posts she heading for a nervous breakdown and it would not surprise me.The males in this 'family' have no use for women aside of cooking and baby making. The men of the family are all suckass,to hell with them.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Jackson had surgery today to correct his bowed leg according to Tori’s IG.  There is a pic of Jackson in a hospital bed.  Poor boy has some pain and healing to do.  

At least now everyone can stop lamenting about Zach and Tori ignoring his leg!  

[all4mom2]

THAT was a sudden turnaround; seems like just yesterday they were assuring us there was no hurry and no worry!

[EllaWycliffe]

Actually sounds like they were following a doctor's advice - a doctor told them it could wait so they did. Then the doctor tells them it needs to be done and they do. 

Hopefully its an easy recovery. 

[all4mom2]

It sounded to me like Tori was hoping to avoid having TWO surgeries by delaying it.  Also sounds like the doctor finally overrode that plan.

Tori had better get used to her kids having surgeries.  Especially if she keeps having kids!

Edited December 1, 2021 by all4mom2

[EllaWycliffe]

1 minute ago, all4mom2 said:

It sounded to me like Tori was hoping to avoid having TWO surgeries by delaying it.  Also sounds like the doctor finally overrode that plan.

Actually the argument was that she was refusing surgery at two and three because it was better to wait, so that the child could avoid the second later surgery that Zach needed to correct the first. 

Doctors can't force people to treat their children. We'd have more vaccinated children if that was the case. 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Tori said it was surgery on his legs so sounds like they did both at the same time.   An even tougher recovery for an active boy.  

[Jeanne222]

Poor little Jackson must have been in a lot for of pain at the wedding if he was that close to surgery.   

[Foghorn Leghorn]

12 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Poor little Jackson must have been in a lot for of pain at the wedding if he was that close to surgery.   

From the preview of the wedding Jackson was asking Amy what time did the dancing start or something like that and then danced so he didn’t look in pain!  He also used that scooter like a madman with no limits.  

[all4mom2]

1 hour ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

He also used that scooter like a madman with no limits.  

Like he owned it?

There must be SOME reason they went ahead with the surgery when it was very obvious Tori wanted to delay it.

Edited December 1, 2021 by all4mom2

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, all4mom2 said:

There must be SOME reason they went ahead with the surgery when it was very obvious Tori wanted to delay it.

Perhaps they sought a second (or more) opinion.

[all4mom2]

I would hope they would already have done that before concluding and announcing that it could wait, but whatever.

[EllaWycliffe]

2 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

I would hope they would already have done that before concluding and announcing that it could wait, but whatever.

But in fairness, they were saying they would wait when Jackson was two and three and therefore DID wait until he was four and a half. I'm not seeing anything sinister or neglectful or dishonest about this. Jackson does see a doctor regularly and it was understood that he would need this surgery at some point.

[all4mom2]

It was obvious they meant waiting...longer than another six months.  At least to me, but YMMV.

Edited December 1, 2021 by all4mom2

[EllaWycliffe]

15 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

It was obviously they meant waiting...longer than another six months.  At least to me, but YMMV.

Indeed it does. They were talking about surgery when he was two and three so now that he's four and a half, I think its been more than six months. As I said before, I think they're following their doctor's advice.

I guess I am just not seeing the downside here. They knew he needed surgery and now he's had it. 

[all4mom2]

I didn't say there was a downside.

Thank heavens he finally got the surgery in spite of his mother's resistance!

Now on to Lilah's crossed eyes and her mother's reluctance to make her wear her glasses...

[stoppro]

Sad part,this is just the beginning.

[pdlinda]

3 minutes ago, stoppro said:

Sad part,this is just the beginning.

I thought so too because with the new baby coming and Jackson's need to recover from this surgery over many months (I presume) it's probably better for the family that the surgery was done so they may plan more effectively.

With whatever other challenging things may follow for the family at least Jackson's situation has a steady course to recovery.

[EllaWycliffe]

7 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

Thank heavens he finally got the surgery in spite of his mother's resistance!

When was she resisting? She's been on camera stating it would need to be done, just that they were hoping to wait until he was a little older - now he is and the surgery's been done. 

Tory's resistance seems like any mother's wish that her child not have to go under the knife. I certainly never had the impression Tory was point blank refusing her son needed medical care, just that she wasn't thrilled with having him need surgery.  He's actually gotten this surgery earlier than Zach did and no one has ever suggested the elder Roloff parents were remiss in waiting. 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I don’t think Tori was resistant to Jackson having the surgery but  wanted to avoid a second surgery which was probable at the time.  Time has passed and she is also now in the earlier stages of a 3rd pregnancy and is able to physically carry Jackson around until he is able to do more for himself.  

I though Lilah only had to wear the corrective glasses for a few hours a day not all the time.  I am seeing many current pics on IG of LIlah with glasses and without.

 

[all4mom2]

It was the patch she was to wear for a few hours a day; the glasses were all the time.  Tori is on film saying she thinks they're ugly and "it's one more strike against her" or words to that effect.

And, as we can see from pictures, she's still cross-eyed.

If surgery is so traumatic for Tori, you'd THINK she'd do everything in her power to avoid that one for Lilah.

Edited December 1, 2021 by all4mom2

[chenoa333]

Why have Jackson's surgery so close to the Christmas holidays? Why not wait til the new year? Zach is always home to help out with the kids during Tori's pregnancy. It doesn't make sense but who knows what goes on in Z&T's bird brains.

[all4mom2]

I have a feeling it was the bone-end scraping procedure or whatever it was that's less drastic than the old bone-breaking technique; I doubt he's going to be in casts for weeks or months with this as Matt (and maybe Zach, too - I don't remember) was.  Relatively minor...  But hopefully it will help that awful bowing!

Edited December 1, 2021 by all4mom2

[EllaWycliffe]

1 minute ago, chenoa333 said:

Why have Jackson's surgery so close to the Christmas holidays?

Because you can't, especially these days, assume that the hospital will book you for a non life threatening surgery. With the onset of Omicron Variants, hospitals just might be getting things out of the way if they can. 

 

2 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

It doesn't make sense but who knows what goes on in Z&T's bird brains.

Depending on her due date ("spring" can mean March to May) it might be easier to care for Jackson without being heavily pregnant or also dealing with a newborn. And maybe they didn't want to make him wait until summer/fall of next year when it would impact his starting kindergarten. I mean, I don't think Z&T are especially thoughtful either but I can see some possible reasons that aren't inherently ridiculous. 

[bobalina]

25 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Why have Jackson's surgery so close to the Christmas holidays? Why not wait til the new year? Zach is always home to help out with the kids during Tori's pregnancy. It doesn't make sense but who knows what goes on in Z&T's bird brains.

Why wait longer than necessary to improve your child's life? And now days you have to jump on available surgery dates

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

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But in fairness, they were saying they would wait when Jackson was two and three and therefore DID wait until he was four and a half. I'm not seeing anything sinister or neglectful or dishonest about this. Jackson does see a doctor regularly and it was understood that he would need this surgery at some point.

I wanted to shed a little light, having worked at a pediatric orthopedic office for five years. There are certain times where they have to do surgery that have to do with how the bones grow (bones don't grow from the middle - they grow from near the ends).  We have had children with very bowed legs and they actually "shut down" the growth plate on one side of the leg in order for the shorter side to continue to grow and catch up.  Obviously this has to be done in conjunction with measurements for both legs so that one leg doesn't grow much longer than the other leg and cause a leg length discrepancy which is another surgery.  The timing is crucial because if the growth plate shuts down on the shorter leg, it will never get longer, no matter what you do to the other side.  So I'm guessing it was coordinated carefully with the doctor, rather than having it done when somebody had some free time.  

[all4mom2]

...especially since Zach and Tori have nothing BUT free time...

[all4mom2]

3 hours ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

I wanted to shed a little light, having worked at a pediatric orthopedic office for five years...

What is the "down time" for that procedure?  It looks from IG like he's already home and playing with toys!  Seems rather minor, so I don't know why they avoided it so long and hard.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

40 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

What is the "down time" for that procedure?  It looks from IG like he's already home and playing with toys!  Seems rather minor, so I don't know why they avoided it so long and hard.

What IG account did you see pics of Jackson being home already playing?  I checked both Tori and Zach’s accounts but see nothing but the hospital photo from yesterday.  

[ginger90]

39 minutes ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

What IG account did you see pics of Jackson being home already playing?  I checked both Tori and Zach’s accounts but see nothing but the hospital photo from yesterday.  

I assume it’s this one. It’s in Tori’s stories on Instagram.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I assume it’s this one. It’s in Tori’s stories on Instagram.

Thanks!  Glad to see he is home and doing well…look at all those tiny toys!  Lol

[seasons]

I'm glad he's ok too.

 

Hope Lilah doesn't have access to all those tiny Lego parts. 

[readheaded]

11 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Thanks!  Glad to see he is home and doing well…look at all those tiny toys!  Lol

I’m not arguing that he’s not at home, but did someone post that he is? He could be in the hospital playroom. Children’s wards often have fantastic child life programs for hospitalized kids. 

[ginger90]

48 minutes ago, readheaded said:

I’m not arguing that he’s not at home, but did someone post that he is?

As of now, I have not seen a post stating he’s home.

[all4mom2]

3 hours ago, seasons said:

I'm glad he's ok too.

 

Hope Lilah doesn't have access to all those tiny Lego parts. 

Or Murphy.

I wouldn't think a hospital playroom would risk choking dangers.

[EllaWycliffe]

I wouldn't think Lilah or Murphy are at a higher danger than any other family with a child old enough to have Legos. I'd be more worried about stepping on one ;).

Hospital playroom are a different beast but a) this is a home shot, and b) hospital playroom use more supervision.

[bobalina]

1 hour ago, EllaWycliffe said:

I wouldn't think Lilah or Murphy are at a higher danger than any other family with a child old enough to have Legos. I'd be more worried about stepping on one ;).

Hospital playroom are a different beast but a) this is a home shot, and b) hospital playroom use more supervision.

Legos are small enough for Lilah and Murphy to swallow and choke on.

[seasons]

Oh gosh I didn't realize it was a hospital playroom. Thanks!

 

Still, those colorful little pieces scare me. For choking and germs. 

[Joan of Argh]

Screenshot from a video

[all4mom2]

Of course he is!

That's home; you can tell by the cheesy signs.

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

20 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

What is the "down time" for that procedure?  It looks from IG like he's already home and playing with toys!  Seems rather minor, so I don't know why they avoided it so long and hard.

From what I remember, the kids go home fairly quickly (could be same day, particularly now with Covid). Kids are so resilient and bounce back very quickly, particularly with orthopedic surgeries.  Plus I doubt there's a baby shoe mixed in with the Legos in the hospital playroom or shoe holders on the doors. 

[all4mom2]

3 minutes ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

From what I remember, the kids go home fairly quickly (could be same day, particularly now with Covid). Kids are so resilient and bounce back very quickly, particularly with orthopedic surgeries.  Plus I doubt there's a baby shoe mixed in with the Legos in the hospital playroom or shoe holders on the doors. 

Someone posted elsewhere that it's an hour-long procedure on an outpatient basis (you go right home).  Seems they'd have done that as soon as possible...

[ItsHelloPattiagain]

8 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

Someone posted elsewhere that it's an hour-long procedure on an outpatient basis (you go right home).  Seems they'd have done that as soon as possible...

Again, the timing would have to be done in accordance with certain markers on the growth plates.  Perhaps they were waiting for the child to get to a certain height (stopping the growth plates would cause the child not to grow anymore and in a dwarf, that might be even more significant).  

[all4mom2]

3 minutes ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

Again, the timing would have to be done in accordance with certain markers on the growth plates.  Perhaps they were waiting for the child to get to a certain height (stopping the growth plates would cause the child not to grow anymore and in a dwarf, that might be even more significant).  

Maybe you could explain what the heck Tori was going on about delaying it in order to avoid Jackson requiring two surgeries...  She lost me there!