S07.E17: From Dogs To Diamonds

[dosodog]

26 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

For those who haven't read their latest issue of FLAUNT magazine Erika has an interview and a photo:  http://www.flaunt.com/content/people/ericka-jayne

Seems Erika has no real girlfriends from the show.  I always find it interesting when someone claims another person or class of people are judgmental.  Isn't claiming others as being judgmental, in fact being judgmental.

It all has a happy ending as Erika and some of her inner circle retire to the bathtub after an exhausting interview and photo shoot. 

So I am confused, have any of the women on the show earned an Erika friendship badge? 

On a positive note.  No one has to apologize to Tom.  :D

[ivygirl]

Forgive me if I missed this. But has there been a Rinna blog this week? 

I just rewatched this ep (and the preview for the upcoming one) and Flames. Flames on the side of my face.

[HunterHunted]

31 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

For those who haven't read their latest issue of FLAUNT magazine Erika has an interview and a photo:  http://www.flaunt.com/content/people/ericka-jayne

Seems Erika has no real girlfriends from the show.  I always find it interesting when someone claims another person or class of people are judgmental.  Isn't claiming others as being judgmental, in fact being judgmental.

It all has a happy ending as Erika and some of her inner circle retire to the bathtub after an exhausting interview and photo shoot. 

So I am confused, have any of the women on the show earned an Erika friendship badge? 

That picture is hilarious largely because it looks like Erika wandered into an orgy. The guy with his head on her hip looks disappointed to learn that she's an actual woman and not a super fishy drag queen. It reminds me of this fantastic episode of Frasier, The Ski Lodge. In the episode, Frasier, Niles, their dad, Daphne, and Daphne's friend Annie go on a ski trip together. The have a hot French ski instructor who is staying with them too. The episode turns into a sex farce. Everyone wants someone who doesn't want them. When it's all revealed, Frasier whines that no one wanted him. That's Erika in that picture. No one there is the least bit interested in her.

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Forgive me if I missed this. But has there been a Rinna blog this week? 

I just rewatched this ep (and the preview for the upcoming one) and Flames. Flames on the side of my face.

The only regular blog writers are Eden and Eileen Dorit with LVP a weak fourth.  Erika hasn't written one in weeks and  Rinna has pretty much stopped and Kyle only wrote a couple this year. 

[Anne Thrax]

On 3/30/2017 at 9:10 PM, breezy424 said:

Oh....  Kyle cutting that pantsuit was painful to watch. 

I don't know where I saw it but there was a comedy sketch many years ago about where is the good scissors because they weren't where they were supposed to be.  Who took the good scissors?  It may have been George Carlin.  Ok.  Warning.  Going on the soapbox.  I have a small pair of scissors for scrapbooking.  They're super sharp.  My daughter lost them for almost a year.  I was so pissed.  I now hide them.  I have special scissors that I use to cut meat.  My husband borrowed them to cut a piece of leather and then didn't put them back.  Two fouls.  I have another large scissors to cut material just in case - like replacing the material on the dining room chairs.  'They' disappeared for a long time until I finally came upon them and then I hid them too.  Every house should have at least one good pair of scissors.  Off the box.  A tape measure or a long ruler wouldn't hurt either.  I love Kyle but geez.  Painful.  I could go on about the disappearing black sharpies and using good knives to open up plastic.

OMG, Breezy424, so much THIS!!  I thought I was the only nutcase who hides the "good scissors" (I place decoys in the kitchen drawers so nobody comes looking for mine) or has my own secret stash of proper sharp knives that nobody in the house knows about.  And not only black sharpies, but black Flair pens too, plus I have a thing about hiding a good gel ink pen for my private use because NOBODY ever returns these things!

[oakville]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't know if this answers it but from Dorit's twitter account:  Try having Israeli parents, living in Italy for  ten years and marrying someone from the UK. 

So in essence English was a second language growing up.  It doesn't matter what reason she gives as she is simply not allowed to have it because it offends others.  Sadly, for Dorit by not getting help for her speech affectation I believe her words are given less weight.

This from a show where we are expected to just accept a RH has two personalities and it is up to the others and viewers to decided what personality she is currently presenting.

OK that makes sense. I find erika to be bizarre.

[oakville]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't know if this answers it but from Dorit's twitter account:  Try having Israeli parents, living in Italy for  ten years and marrying someone from the UK. 

So in essence English was a second language growing up.  It doesn't matter what reason she gives as she is simply not allowed to have it because it offends others.  Sadly, for Dorit by not getting help for her speech affectation I believe her words are given less weight.

This from a show where we are expected to just accept a RH has two personalities and it is up to the others and viewers to decided what personality she is currently presenting.

OK that makes sense. I find erika to be bizarre.

[tenativelyyours]

I do think it is funny that Dorit has this faux'cent that she puts on a weak ear.  Since she actually has been surrounded her whole life by people who speak with American accents shouldn't that overwhelm the coarse mutterings of her fleshy husband of a few years?  Or does she come out of every long conversation with a new accent?  I'm going grossly stereotypical here, but what does she sound like after going to a long nail salon appointment?  Eating a full course meal in an ethnic restaurant?  Living in LA, I'm guessing a wait at the DMV has her thrashing on the floor when she gets home, speaking in tongues it and waving snakes to Jesus.  I hope Dorit is one and done.  But only if it also means the Blow Up loses enough air to also float away.  And I think the Erikas are likely to stay.  So Dorit can stay since she is the one to prompt even more fucks than the Erikas usually give.  And that is a lot.  Heck if the Erikas actually put the fucks she gives into her work, it would actually be porn instead of the fake flat stuff she makes that "shocks" so many.  At this point the Duggars are more shocking with their personal lives than what she spends money to try to produce.

 

The Erikas also have ramped up the vapid and mean.  A lethal combo.  I always figured the contrived dichotomy in personality ironically had a twofold goal.  The first was to keep her owner, I mean Tom happy with the built in Madonna-Whore-in-One model.  He clearly loves having her drift between Video Trollope and lawyer's matron.  And she seems to revel in trying to diminish all the other women either as too crass to meet the matron's exacting standards or too rigid themselves for finding her scratch the yeast infection antics too much.  Both she and her lease holder get the most for the money they flush down the drain on the Erika Jayne project.  She gets to be hypocritically judgemental and s shrieking harpy when the leash chafes too much and he gets off thinking he has the slut everyone else wants to fuck but can't.   Their story is a bit like the plot Jackie Collins writes on a piece of toilet paper while taking a piss, then realizes what shit it is and flushes it with the rest.

I so wish Rinna would be tossed off this show.  But I think she brings what production wants.  I do think production whispers encouragements to bring more drama and drops little "hints" as to what others on the cast say or do.  But I also think it is on the cast member to figure out how to "bring it".   Or how far it goes.  From comments from the likes of Tamra Barney, Khandi on Atlanta and Brandi it does seem that production gives tacit approval to certain things -- the show does let them know, even with just a wink and nudge- if they feel that person is "delivering".  And Rinna is delivering.  I think it will take Kyle and Vanderpump refusing to film with her and Kyle spreading that to include the Erikas if the Erikas keep firmly aligning with Sticks and Lips in her constant attack and cower mode.  That was what I heard took out Brandi.  not just refusing to film with her but forcing other cast members to choose.  YoYo-Stage-Ma picked Brandi and Kim and it helped push her out a season later.  The Erikas saw that and saw it was good to have friends on both sides of the fence.

Rinna in Hong Kong might have brought the shrieking wife for hire has an enough Lifetime movie of the week moment out of the Erikas, but we will see how long that lasts when the Erikas find out that dancing with the stars is more often than not an upward trajectory. 

I have to admit.  If the next season offered me Eileen without Rinna to try to pitbull her way through a season and no mutually ass licking with the Erikas?  Eileen forced to actually do more than sniff her disapproval and quiver with indignation having to share the same space as Vanderpump (hell I'd quiver too, but if I was a famewhore looking for pay to supplement the tenuous life of soap actress married to the eye rolling contradiction of a cheap gambler, I'd quiver a whole fucking lot more subtly)?  I'd be marathoning that season every single day.  I'd have scenes of Eileen having to dine at one of the Vanderpump-Todd crappy eateries as my screen saver.  I'd have Eileen's scrunched face reacting to Vanderpump guffawing at her own wicked salacious wit as my icon here.  I'd just so love to see how far Eileen is willing to actually work on this show without Rinna jumping around for attention like a tick that lives on Ryan Seacrest or the Erikas pretending she sees Eileen as a person and not a walking opportunity to expand her public persona.

[AndySmith]

Quote

OK that makes sense

((Israeli Parents + growing up in America) * Living in Italy)/ Meeting and marrying British husband while in the US = faux British accent.

Makes sense to me too.

Edited April 2, 2017 by AndySmith

[WireWrap]

6 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I have an honest question, because I read this a lot about "production" stepping in to ensure that the drama flows according to Bravo's plan, and am sure that it does indeed happen, although I have no idea to what extent. The question is, how do we know when they are inserting themselves into the action and when they are not? It seems like often times the defense that production was involved is given here and there in certain situations, but not in others. How do we know the difference? It is likely that when they were getting mic'd up in the kitchen that some Line Producer said "why don't you talk about Erika and her lack of panties last night". Could have happened. Couldn't it also have happened that someone said to Rinna "hey, why don't you talk about Kim and how her behavior last night made you feel". Could have happened just as the deal with PK and Dorit did. For me, it makes no difference, because they are still the ones who say the words, and if we think that production is inciting this stuff then it taints the whole deal. 

And regarding PK, he might not have said anything negative about Erika's pretty puss (I think the problem for Erika was that he did just the opposite), but he was right there nodding his head and agreeing when Dorit was talking about "wouldn't you think that someone who didn't want to flash would cross her legs, or put a napkin over her lap" (paraphrasing)? She was indicating in that scene that Erika knew what she was doing and did it anyway, and he certainly said nothing to make me think he didn't agree. 

Each HW has their own "line producer" who is present when they film. They go over what the other HWs are talking about, about what happened at the latest event, ect. They don't tell the HW what to say but they do try to suggest conversations. IMO, newbies tend to follow their producers directions/suggestions too easily, whereas veteran HWs know better than to let production manipulate them.

6 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Yes, it is a real thing. My MIL wasn't allowed to fly with her pug (on a transatlantic flight that only allowed dogs in the cargo section). There is actually a list of dogs that are not allowed to fly on many airlines in the cargo area because there have been so many deaths.  The dog Eileen was trying to adopt is on the list. It probably sounds better and makes Eileen less likeable, however, to assume her vicious husband wouldn't let her have it then that there are real reasons involved and that she cared enough about the dog to hope it had a chance at life. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/bulldogs-banned-airlines-health-risks_n_1003495.html

As I said, these dogs are not banned from flying, they can fly just not in the cargo hold. No one, including me, called Vinnie "vicious" because she didn't get the pup. It was Eileen herself that said Vinnie would not want her to adopt the dog in the episode.

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

For those who haven't read their latest issue of FLAUNT magazine Erika has an interview and a photo:  http://www.flaunt.com/content/people/ericka-jayne

Seems Erika has no real girlfriends from the show.  I always find it interesting when someone claims another person or class of people are judgmental.  Isn't claiming others as being judgmental, in fact being judgmental.

It all has a happy ending as Erika and some of her inner circle retire to the bathtub after an exhausting interview and photo shoot. 

So I am confused, have any of the women on the show earned an Erika friendship badge? 

I wonder how Eileen feels about hearing that she/Erika are not "real" friends? Also, I think it is Erika doing the judging, not other women.

Edited April 2, 2017 by WireWrap

[Stinamaia]

Personally, I distrust women who say they have no close women friends.  That reflects more badly on them than other women.  I have known a very few women whose best friends area those they are employing. I find this very odd.  It seems very insecure and controlling. I tried to give Erika a break on this one, but now I put her down as another example of why I'm suspicious of this behavior.  

Edited April 2, 2017 by Stinamaia

[AndySmith]

She doesn't say she has no close women friends, what she says is

“My most deepest, darkest secrets I only confide in my male friends,”

and

“Except for the exception of a couple of older, older female friends that I have,”

[tenativelyyours]

8 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

Personally, I distrust women who say they have no close women friends.  That reflects more badly on them than other women.  I have known a very few women whose best friends area those they are employing. I find this very odd.  It seems very insecure and controlling. I tried to give Erika a break on this one, but now I put her down as another example of why I'm suspicious of this behavior.  

 

I definitely think she comes off as insecure in this.  It puts all responsibility on an entire gender.  That they should meet her requirements and the failure is not just on them but it is a reflection of them as well.  It is a false facade of superiority when in fact I think sweeping generalizations (speaking of sweeping generalizations) only make the person giving them a look of ignorance if not outright laziness to parse nuance or reflect on oneself. The broader a generalization, the more I look at the person making them and thinking what a dumbass.  Not just because I think it reveals ignorance but because I think it actually shows enough self-awareness that she know that flaw exists and she still doubles down and blame and basically shows she is well aware that the problem does seem to pervade generally; in this case, essentially an entire gender, without an ounce of responsibility on part in said perceived problem. 

Its the perfection syndrome.  As soon as you make any such claims, and in my opinion that is what she is doing here in this particular area of socialization, you pretty much tell everyone just how imperfect you really are.

[Jel]

I don't think Dorit is intentionally faking that accent, but even if she is, it's an affectation, nor a moral failing. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Am I missing something? I mean lots of people's accents or speech patterns are affected by where they live and by the company they keep. 

[TurtlePower]

28 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

Personally, I distrust women who say they have no close women friends.  That reflect more badly on them than other women.  I have known a very few women whose best friends area those they are employing. I find this very odd.  It seems very insecure and controlling. I tried to give Erika a break on this one, but now I put her down as another example of why I'm suspicious of this behavior.  

Erika does have female friends, just not many. My situation is similar--I currently only have 2 close female friends, the rest of my acquaintances are mostly men (partly due to my profession being male dominated). For some reason I get along better with men than women but when I find great female friends, I hold on to them. It just takes me a while to warm up.

And Erika has a point--women can be really catty and judgy. I danced my way through college and had to deal with all sorts of shit from women. Sorry, I preferred to work 2 nights a week making bank so I could study the rest of the time. They tried to make me feel like the devil himself. And then I had to list that as employment and the only people who gave me shit about it were other WOMEN, despite the fact that I've moved on into a career in public safety.

Edited April 2, 2017 by TurtlePower

[HunterHunted]

15 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

Personally, I distrust women who say they have no close women friends.  That reflects more badly on them than other women.  I have known a very few women whose best friends area those they are employing. I find this very odd.  It seems very insecure and controlling. I tried to give Erika a break on this one, but now I put her down as another example of why I'm suspicious of this behavior.  

Her exact words were that she has a "couple of older, older female friends." I find that a little bit telling too. Her videos tend to be highly sexual and heavy on tits and ass. Her concern with pantygate is that people would think she's a gold digger and a slut. Erika is deeply insecure both about her body being the only thing people are interested in and the only she has to offer. She doesn't want to be just the body, but at the same time she'll double down on being the body-ody-ody. I suspect that her female friends are much older because they aren't as much sexual competition. I don't she's doing this consciously, but I think there it's a sizeable amount of insecurity with her. She moved from Georgia to New York to be an actress. That never really happened for her. She left her kid in New York so she could try the LA thing. That didn't work out much better. She spent 10 years supporting Tom. During all of this, her talent (and luck) wasn't sufficient to give her the types of career breaks that she wanted.

So as much as I think she'd like to move away from putting her body front and center, I don't think she has the confidence in her skills to do that. I'm reminded a little bit of Lady Gaga. When she started to feel more confident in her skills and that she could sustain a musical career, her more obviously outrageous and juvenile shtick fell by the wayside. If Erika ever achieves a similar mindset, we'll see a lot less puss patting.

[TurtlePower]

1 minute ago, HunterHunted said:

Her exact words were that she has a "couple of older, older female friends." I find that a little bit telling too. Her videos tend to be highly sexual and heavy on tits and ass. Her concern with pantygate is that people would think she's a gold digger and a slut. Erika is deeply insecure both about her body being the only thing people are interested in and the only she has to offer. She doesn't want to be just the body, but at the same time she'll double down on being the body-ody-ody. I suspect that her female friends are much older because they aren't as much sexual competition. I don't she's doing this consciously, but I think there it's a sizeable amount of insecurity with her. She moved from Georgia to New York to be an actress. That never really happened for her. She left her kid in New York so she could try the LA thing. That didn't work out much better. She spent 10 years supporting Tom. During all of this, her talent (and luck) wasn't sufficient to give her the types of career breaks that she wanted.

So as much as I think she'd like to move away from putting her body front and center, I don't think she has the confidence in her skills to do that. I'm reminded a little bit of Lady Gaga. When she started to feel more confident in her skills and that she could sustain a musical career, her more obviously outrageous and juvenile shtick fell by the wayside. If Erika ever achieves a similar mindset, we'll see a lot less puss patting.

Unlike Erika, Lady Gaga actually has serious musical talent. She was a pianist and songwriter for other pop stars before she was encouraged to break out on her own. 

As far as Erika I kind of agree with that assessment--what she's doing now seems to be working, but who knows how long it will last for her. She's not a gifted musician or songwriter--she should enjoy the limelight while it lasts. 

[HunterHunted]

I completely agree that Lady Gaga is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more talented than Erika Jayne. However, Erika has more singing talent than most other housewives who aren't Kandi. Honorable mentions for Heather Thomson and Porsha Williams. I feel like this is an opportunity to hopefully create a lasting career that's not just dependant on how hot she is because that's a waning commodity.

[lololol]

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

For those who haven't read their latest issue of FLAUNT magazine Erika has an interview and a photo:  http://www.flaunt.com/content/people/ericka-jayne

Seems Erika has no real girlfriends from the show.  I always find it interesting when someone claims another person or class of people are judgmental.  Isn't claiming others as being judgmental, in fact being judgmental.

It all has a happy ending as Erika and some of her inner circle retire to the bathtub after an exhausting interview and photo shoot. 

So I am confused, have any of the women on the show earned an Erika friendship badge? 

ErICKa is so low class - trailer trash.

2 hours ago, AndySmith said:

She doesn't say she has no close women friends, what she says is

“My most deepest, darkest secrets I only confide in my male friends,”

and

“Except for the exception of a couple of older, older female friends that I have,”

Who would want to be friends with her? Only women who are just as trashy as she is.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

I completely agree that Lady Gaga is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more talented than Erika Jayne. However, Erika has more singing talent than most other housewives who aren't Kandi. Honorable mentions for Heather Thomson and Porsha Williams. I feel like this is an opportunity to hopefully create a lasting career that's not just dependant on how hot she is because that's a waning commodity.

I believe Erika has only shown us that given enough autotune and props anyone can buy a hit.  Sorry I just don't see it but props to you for giving her the nod.  There are other singers, Heather Dubrow made a living out of it.  There is no lasting career it is basically a joke that has an extended life.  I always question where exactly is her career going?

[HunterHunted]

53 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I believe Erika has only shown us that given enough autotune and props anyone can buy a hit.  Sorry I just don't see it but props to you for giving her the nod.  There are other singers, Heather Dubrow made a living out of it.  There is no lasting career it is basically a joke that has an extended life.  I always question where exactly is her career going?

She's better than Danielle Staub, Kim Z, LuAnn, and Simon. She's a decent enough dancer, an okay singer, and has enough cash to get some really high profile talent. I think someone could put together a really funny entertaining cross franchise housewives review or cabaret with all of the housewives songs and some funny stories. Erika has enough money to bankroll something like this, but I think she's probably too proud to do something like that. Sonja Morgan would do something like that, but she's too broke and delusional. She'd aim for half-assed, but produce something quarter-assed. At least with Sonja, we'd know that she's not a bit embarrassed if when someone sees her nethers.

[breezy424]

22 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I do think he would have said no, Eileen even said that he would when she talked about wanting the pup. This is a guy that was unhappy Eileen spent $500 on a dress and it would cost thousands to bring the pup over before they could even find out if their older dog would accept him. That's a pretty costly risk that I don't think Vince would be happy about. I do think she wanted the pup, really wanted him, but her story about short snouted dogs not being allowed to fly is a lie, which was/is my point.

Actually, it's not.  I did a bit of research about short snouted dogs and from what I've read, some airlines, Delta is one IIRC, will not allow a short snouted dog on their planes, in cargo or carry on anymore.  Add to that, even if you went the carry on, there are more restrictions and I have a feeling this dog wouldn't have made it because of his size.  I could be wrong.  I didn't get the impression this was a small dog.  I've also read that other airlines are highly restrictive about these dogs.  As well as some cats.

I also looked at flight costs from Hong Kong to LA, and it was surprisingly cheaper than I thought.  Not thousands.   

I don't think that Eileen is making up some BS story.  For instance, if they worried about their old dog accepting him, Eileen could have just said that and that would be acceptable.  I've had pets who I wouldn't introduce another pet to in the household.  So, if that is the concern or if they were looking for an excuse, that's totally acceptable...for me.  As a matter of fact, Eileen 'didn't' have to address this at all in her blog.  She saw a dog she had strong feelings about in a foreign country.  It happens.  You get home and realize you had a moment.  Acceptable to me.

What I do think happened, and yes, this my opinion, is that Eileen did further investigate adopting the dog when she got home.  I think she did call the SPCA in Hong Kong and was told that shipping that particular dog would be a huge problem given it was short snouted and it would be dangerous to ship it in cargo.  And maybe...the SPCA said they wouldn't do it or didn't want to do it because there was a good chance the dog wouldn't make it.  It's a 13 to 15 hour flight conservatively.

Vinnie may have been unhappy about the 'dress' but didn't Eileen keep it?  Bottom line for me is that Eileen went by what she was told and learned, and made a decision based on that.  

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Actually, it's not.  I did a bit of research about short snouted dogs and from what I've read, some airlines, Delta is one IIRC, will not allow a short snouted dog on their planes, in cargo or carry on anymore.  Add to that, even if you went the carry on, there are more restrictions and I have a feeling this dog wouldn't have made it because of his size.  I could be wrong.  I didn't get the impression this was a small dog.  I've also read that other airlines are highly restrictive about these dogs.  As well as some cats.

I also looked at flight costs from Hong Kong to LA, and it was surprisingly cheaper than I thought.  Not thousands.   

I don't think that Eileen is making up some BS story.  For instance, if they worried about their old dog accepting him, Eileen could have just said that and that would be acceptable.  I've had pets who I wouldn't introduce another pet to in the household.  So, if that is the concern or if they were looking for an excuse, that's totally acceptable...for me.  As a matter of fact, Eileen 'didn't' have to address this at all in her blog.  She saw a dog she had strong feelings about in a foreign country.  It happens.  You get home and realize you had a moment.  Acceptable to me.

What I do think happened, and yes, this my opinion, is that Eileen did further investigate adopting the dog when she got home.  I think she did call the SPCA in Hong Kong and was told that shipping that particular dog would be a huge problem given it was short snouted and it would be dangerous to ship it in cargo.  And maybe...the SPCA said they wouldn't do it or didn't want to do it because there was a good chance the dog wouldn't make it.  It's a 13 to 15 hour flight conservatively.

Vinnie may have been unhappy about the 'dress' but didn't Eileen keep it?  Bottom line for me is that Eileen went by what she was told and learned, and made a decision based on that.  

Delta is only 1 airline, there are others that would have flown it, in the passenger section, had she wanted. I called him a "pup", I did not say he was small, because Eileen said he was a puppy. Eileen did say that she didn't think Vince would go along with her adopting the dog right before she talked to an employee/volunteer about adopting him. IMO, I don't think Eileen would just say that she changed her mind about adopting the dog, she got raked over the coals last season when she questioned Lisa's passion in fighting against YDMF and not for people causes.

[breezy424]

9 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

Having raised three to adulthood, I have to say I didn't have to break it down for them.  I used words that I would normally use with anyone, and I think children who are exposed early to more complex words have larger vocabularies and better speech skills.  At his pre-K registration event, my youngest at age 4 used the word "obviously" when the teacher was engaging him in a little conversation. 

It seemed to me that Jagger did understand what Dorit was saying to him, but he's definitely quite delayed at speech.  In fact, the first few times Jagger was onscreen, I thought he might have profound hearing loss or cognition problem or might just be slow, but noticed in later episodes that he seems bright and able to hear things fine.

But did any of your children have speech problems?   Been there.  I never got the impression that Jagger had profound hearing loss or cognition problems or is 'slow'.   He had/has a speech problem with forming words.  And when a child has this type of problem, I think it is important to keep it simple...because the most important thing is to get the child to communicate.  Not to 'expand' his or her vocabulary and put pressure on them.  Baby steps.   And as we all know, each child develops differently.  It doesn't mean that a child who, for instance, at a younger age has a larger vocabulary, is going to be smarter than another child in the long run.   Some kids walk at 10 months.  Others don't walk until 18 months.  They all pretty much end up walking. 

Using more complex words has nothing to do with having better 'speech' skills if the child has a problem with his or hers ability to communicate.  It's not that simple.  It's very complicated.  We can start with the tongue... and the child knowing he or she is having problems communicating.  Which, in turn, inhibits them from expressing themselves because other people don't understand what they're saying.   

[breezy424]

23 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Delta is only 1 airline, there are others that would have flown it, in the passenger section, had she wanted. I called him a "pup", I did not say he was small, because Eileen said he was a puppy. Eileen did say that she didn't think Vince would go along with her adopting the dog right before she talked to an employee/volunteer about adopting him. IMO, I don't think Eileen would just say that she changed her mind about adopting the dog, she got raked over the coals last season when she questioned Lisa's passion in fighting against YDMF and not for people causes.

Hey, maybe there are other airlines who would have flown him in the passenger section.  Examples?  I'm not going to take the time to google all this.  We really don't know how much the dog weighed and there are restrictions on keeping him in the passenger section as well.  Bottom line for me is that Eileen, who didn't have to, took the time to say that she did pursue adopting this dog.  I'm not going to make assumptions and lay 'blame'.  Vince may not have willingly gone along with all this but we've also seen Eileen not go with Vince's opinion.   The dress?

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Hey, maybe there are other airlines who would have flown him in the passenger section.  Examples?  I'm not going to take the time to google all this.  We really don't know how much the dog weighed and there are restrictions on keeping him in the passenger section as well.  Bottom line for me is that Eileen, who didn't have to, took the time to say that she did pursue adopting this dog.  I'm not going to make assumptions and lay 'blame'.  Vince may not have willingly gone along with all this but we've also seen Eileen not go with Vince's opinion.   The dress?

Here, I did it for you.  About half of the airlines won't allow pets in the cabin on long flights. When they do, they need to be small enough to fit in a carrier under the seat. 

http://www.dogjaunt.com/guides/international-airline-pet-policies-for-in-cabin-travel/

[ElDosEquis]

Hokay,

I belong to a pet site (15 years) and we have members from as far away as "the land of the long white cloud",  Europe , Canada and the Americas. We are NOT associated with any business, group or industry - so whatever rehoming projects we have undertaken, we have been able to focus  our efforts on special/particular cases and give 100% in donations to each pet/case.

You just cannot bring any animal across int'l borders like it's a check on piece of luggage - BTW, a cargo hold is pressurized but NOT readily accessible to you can't just walk over and check on the pet. - Some countries quarantine rules are pretty strict. It's been a while since I last saw but I think the UK asks for some extended Q for dogs (it was 6 something, either weeks or months) - Kentucky Derby horses from overseas are also Q'ed for a certain time before they are allowed to run a venue.... Another example? You cannot send ANY dog treats that contain meat into Australia, from the US.

I have had boxes I sent to Oz opened by customs and had all the meat based treats/snacked confiscated.

Rehoming pets from OTHER countries isn't an easy or cheap process, some countries don't GAF, others you have to work and really 'grease the wheels' to get things moving along. While the idea IS noble, saving a handful of pooches overseas,with funds that would and could go a lot farther locally, makes more sense

[ElDosEquis]

And speaking of OZ?

I laughed at the EJ photo.

Then it hit me. EJ is just like the wizard. When we get a peek behind that curtain, we see the tired, old gal pulling levers and letting off some smoke bombs so we don't pay attention to what is really going on.

So WHAT is really special about EJ?

Ummmmm..........Ummmmmmmmm...........wait, she has money?

Maybe it's she has a cadre of oversexed, vulgar flying monkeys to cater to her every whim....no........

I guess someday she might wake up and tell everyone that they were in her dream - she fell off the fence in her hometown - and in that dream she was 'fabulous'?

[lunastartron]

21 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I have an honest question, because I read this a lot about "production" stepping in to ensure that the drama flows according to Bravo's plan, and am sure that it does indeed happen, although I have no idea to what extent. The question is, how do we know when they are inserting themselves into the action and when they are not? It seems like often times the defense that production was involved is given here and there in certain situations, but not in others. How do we know the difference? It is likely that when they were getting mic'd up in the kitchen that some Line Producer said "why don't you talk about Erika and her lack of panties last night". Could have happened. Couldn't it also have happened that someone said to Rinna "hey, why don't you talk about Kim and how her behavior last night made you feel". Could have happened just as the deal with PK and Dorit did. For me, it makes no difference, because they are still the ones who say the words, and if we think that production is inciting this stuff then it taints the whole deal. 

And regarding PK, he might not have said anything negative about Erika's pretty puss (I think the problem for Erika was that he did just the opposite), but he was right there nodding his head and agreeing when Dorit was talking about "wouldn't you think that someone who didn't want to flash would cross her legs, or put a napkin over her lap" (paraphrasing)? She was indicating in that scene that Erika knew what she was doing and did it anyway, and he certainly said nothing to make me think he didn't agree. 

If Erika has a problem with any lack of negative commentary from PK on the aesthetic appeal of her labia, that would be yet another in the multitude of contradictions she's brought to the issue since she asked Dorit "did he say it was pretty?" upon receipt of the panties.

Of course, at the time that scene was played, she also claimed in a talking head that she didn't believe anyone catching a glimpse of her pussy had actually happened (guess Kyle and LVP are liars, too) so maybe she was asking if PK appreciated its *inner*/metaphorical beauty or something.

[AndySmith]

Quote

the multitude of contradictions she's brought to the issue since she asked Dorit "did he say it was pretty?" upon receipt of the panties.

I thought she was being sarcastic when she asked Dorito, not seriously hoping PK would give it his seal of approval.

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

Hokay,

I belong to a pet site (15 years) and we have members from as far away as "the land of the long white cloud",  Europe , Canada and the Americas. We are NOT associated with any business, group or industry - so whatever rehoming projects we have undertaken, we have been able to focus  our efforts on special/particular cases and give 100% in donations to each pet/case.

You just cannot bring any animal across int'l borders like it's a check on piece of luggage - BTW, a cargo hold is pressurized but NOT readily accessible to you can't just walk over and check on the pet. - Some countries quarantine rules are pretty strict. It's been a while since I last saw but I think the UK asks for some extended Q for dogs (it was 6 something, either weeks or months) - Kentucky Derby horses from overseas are also Q'ed for a certain time before they are allowed to run a venue.... Another example? You cannot send ANY dog treats that contain meat into Australia, from the US.

I have had boxes I sent to Oz opened by customs and had all the meat based treats/snacked confiscated.

Rehoming pets from OTHER countries isn't an easy or cheap process, some countries don't GAF, others you have to work and really 'grease the wheels' to get things moving along. While the idea IS noble, saving a handful of pooches overseas,with funds that would and could go a lot farther locally, makes more sense

To quote Eden – there’s an elephant at the table.

Hong Kong is China, China is Hong Kong. The premise of this trip – LVP getting support from the ladies for her work on stopping the torture of the dogs in Yulin. Everything is monitored  - hence the little back door studio clip of LVP and her documentary. Yulin is 300 miles from Hong Kong. Either they take a boat and drive 4 hours through rough terrain or fly 3 hours and drive through rough terrain. The Yulin festival is not an all year festival. They did not do this because Bravo could not get the rights to film and none of them wanted to go to the clinker with jade bracelets. They all were very careful about what they said while there in reference to Yulin/dog torure/China. As for the dogs they showed “rescued” at the SPCA – they showed the ones least traumatized, still friendly to human touch, and no nervous nellies in sight. I see the cost of getting those dogs out of China to be the most expensive and time consuming. The paperwork, red tape and greasing of the palms I could easily see it costing 30K per dog.

Edited April 3, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[renatae]

On 3/30/2017 at 1:20 PM, beaker73 said:

So…I’m going to sit here by myself and admit that I don’t hate Rinna.  I feel like I should, but I just don’t. Maybe it’s the DOOL/Melrose nostalgia, maybe it’s because she went up again Kim whom I despise, maybe it’s because I feel there’s a grain of truth to all the things she says. Who knows. 

Not sure about the grain of truth in everything, but there are still moments I sometimes like her. When she laughs at her own jokes, instead of being irritated like others, I laugh right along with her. I like her bubbly personality, but she is getting really dark these days with the accusatory nonsense, at which times I hate her with the heat of a thousand suns. However, for me, she is nowhere near as bad as Brandi, who in the end seemed to be nothing but a mound of bitterness.

[ghoulina]

12 hours ago, breezy424 said:

But did any of your children have speech problems?   Been there.  I never got the impression that Jagger had profound hearing loss or cognition problems or is 'slow'.   He had/has a speech problem with forming words.  And when a child has this type of problem, I think it is important to keep it simple...because the most important thing is to get the child to communicate.  Not to 'expand' his or her vocabulary and put pressure on them.  Baby steps.   And as we all know, each child develops differently.  It doesn't mean that a child who, for instance, at a younger age has a larger vocabulary, is going to be smarter than another child in the long run.   Some kids walk at 10 months.  Others don't walk until 18 months.  They all pretty much end up walking. 

Agree. My philosophy with my children, going in, was to speak to them as I would other adults. If they didn't understand a word, I would explain it to them. But then I had my daughter. She is on the spectrum; she had very delayed speech in her younger years and has some real cognitive problems. I don't think I could actually have a back and forth conversation with her, even a super simple one, until she was 3 or older. So yes, I've had to take a totally different tack with her. I do oversimplify what I say. And I often have to re-phrase things several times until I land on the words that finally make sense to her. 

I don't care for Dorit all that much, but I think she's doing just fine with Jagger. I really couldn't judge her based on just a few minutes. Nor would I want to; having kids with delays and difficulties is rough. 

[Alison]

15 hours ago, lololol said:

ErICKa is so low class - trailer trash.

Who would want to be friends with her? Only women who are just as trashy as she is.

Dude, this schtick is getting old. We get it -- you don't like Erika and you think she's trashy. Do you have anything else to contribute to the conversation??

[WireWrap]

4 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

Hokay,

I belong to a pet site (15 years) and we have members from as far away as "the land of the long white cloud",  Europe , Canada and the Americas. We are NOT associated with any business, group or industry - so whatever rehoming projects we have undertaken, we have been able to focus  our efforts on special/particular cases and give 100% in donations to each pet/case.

You just cannot bring any animal across int'l borders like it's a check on piece of luggage - BTW, a cargo hold is pressurized but NOT readily accessible to you can't just walk over and check on the pet. - Some countries quarantine rules are pretty strict. It's been a while since I last saw but I think the UK asks for some extended Q for dogs (it was 6 something, either weeks or months) - Kentucky Derby horses from overseas are also Q'ed for a certain time before they are allowed to run a venue.... Another example? You cannot send ANY dog treats that contain meat into Australia, from the US.

I have had boxes I sent to Oz opened by customs and had all the meat based treats/snacked confiscated.

Rehoming pets from OTHER countries isn't an easy or cheap process, some countries don't GAF, others you have to work and really 'grease the wheels' to get things moving along. While the idea IS noble, saving a handful of pooches overseas,with funds that would and could go a lot farther locally, makes more sense

This is how I know they can bring these dogs into this country......  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-canada-dog-rescue-1.3912160 ,  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/whats-now/sd-me-meat-dogs-adoption-20170112-story.html , http://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/dozens-of-dogs-rescued-from-south-korea-meat-trade-arrive-safe-in-pittsburgh/506250374 Yes, it is expensive and time consuming but it does happen.

Edited April 3, 2017 by WireWrap

[RHJunkie]

On 2017-04-01 at 10:26 PM, notnowimbusy said:

I wish Dorit, at the reunion, when Erika will undoubtedly bring up pantygate, just cooly look over to Erika and say I give Zero F's!  She said she was fine, then she wasn't, then she was - much ado about her P.   Can you imagine if Dorit had accidentally (and it was accidentally) flashed Tom!  OMG Erika would have been all over that - berating Dorit, talking to the Glam Squad about it (and probably in that condescending tone "It wasn't much to look at"), have talked to all the other women - and not in a joking tone, and demanded Dorit apologize to Tom. 

I love that...but it would be amazing if she phrased it to incorporate the exact lyrics of her some. 'Look, I apologized and am truly sorry for it and as much as she wanted to hear me apologize, she already knew that she wasn't going to accept it and it wouldn't be enough. So you know how many fucks I give? None, not one, zero, zero, zero, done. Next question'.

[yourmomiseasy]

On 4/2/2017 at 3:46 AM, AndySmith said:

I thought it would be for the same reason Yolanda was using the condo that was owned by her then husband at the time, David Foster (to whom she is no longer married to, btw), who had bought and lived in that very same condo before he met and married Yolanda, ie, keeping a smaller place in the city for when she didn't want to or couldn't drive back to Malibu. 

Lets be real, David and Yolanda were living in separate places while divorcing.  

On 4/2/2017 at 9:28 AM, zoeysmom said:

Erika woman of few words about her meltdown had this to say:  "It's great that it's Eileen that I exploded on, quite honestly, because the others would've held it over my head and used it.  Seriously."  http://www.realitytea.com/2017/03/31/erika-girardi-explains-better-explode-eileen-davidson-instead-rhobh-cast-members/    Wow, way to take everyone out with one fell swoop.  I saw it this way Eileen had to put up with her self-absorbed, trashy ass because she had already invested so much in the Y&R scene.  Claims of Erika having done all this bonding with Kyle or Rinna remember her words, they are simply "the others" and what she thinks of them.  Situational friends and stooges for the Erikas.

 

This is too bad.  For me, Erika was most likable wen with Kyle.

[RHJunkie]

On 2017-04-01 at 5:05 PM, zoeysmom said:

Have Rinna's antics and mouth taken her to Brandi levels of unpopularity?  Seems so.  http://www.buddytv.com/articles/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-63931.aspx

Rinna has said she'll do anything for a dollar and that's about the only thing out of her mouth that I totally believe from her, lol. I don't think she'll care at all about her online popularity so as long as she still has those Bravo cheques to cash her and QVC line doesn't plummet.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, renatae said:

Not sure about the grain of truth in everything, but there are still moments I sometimes like her. When she laughs at her own jokes, instead of being irritated like others, I laugh right along with her. I like her bubbly personality, but she is getting really dark these days with the accusatory nonsense, at which times I hate her with the heat of a thousand suns. However, for me, she is nowhere near as bad as Brandi, who in the end seemed to be nothing but a mound of bitterness.

I re-read your post about three times and there is a lot to what you are saying.  From another view, I believe Rinna lost her balance.  It is okay to do a little business (LVP and Kyle do it all the time), it is okay to have a little drama there is a great scene with Rinna, her daughters, Kyle and Alexia in NY that had an additional scene where the Rinna spawn are talking about getting their lips done.  Kyle was pretty vocal about her opinion, NO.  Probably okay to have the "bonding" moment with Eden over her story.  Then it just tanked.  Everything became Rinna's mission.  Her opinion and Harry's opinion.

To me, Rinna got off on the wrong foot this season, and I don't know if it was to hand Eileen a bit of storyline or she was just that dense was to bring up the death of Eileen's mom.  By the time of the dinner, Eileen's mother's death from four months earlier had been discussed by the principles.  LVP had acknowledged it and given condolences and Eileen handled it poorly, Eileen told Erika and presumably Kyle.  Rinna using the tired old chestnut that "she breached boundaries" by revealing the death of Eileen's mom was ludicrous.  When Rinna didn't want to cop to her disagreement with LVP, she went for the sympathy ploy.  PK was sympathetic but also astute enough to realize there was something off about Rinna's train of thought.  I do believe PK's intentions were to try and bridge the gap between LVP and RInna and that is why she was the only RH at their dinner that night. 

As to Brandi-Rinna and Brandi both suffer from needing to be the center of attention at all times. 

[Normades]

31 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

This is too bad.  For me, Erika was most likable wen with Kyle.

I don't see this "friendship" between Erika and Kyle lasting very long.  It seems to me that Erika is very needy.  She want's constant stroking and affirmations.  Kyle was pretty much going along with the program in Greece, although not to Eileen or Rinna lengths.  I think Erika hopes that she can move Kyle to her side of the chessboard and away from Bobby Fisher aka LVP.  I don't see that happening.  Kyle and LVP are lots of fun to watch and seem to have a true fondness for each other.  They also treat each other as equals, which is something I don't see in Erika's dynamic with friends.  Erika won't be able to maintain a relationship where she is not told she is fabulous every five minutes.  Even when she takes a compliment it's all about her.  She says I appreciate that instead of thank YOU.  In her sad, tacky world it's all Erika all the time.

[PumpkinPK]

Just curious if anyone knows, across all the RH franchises, are all these women dog people, or does anyone have a cat?

I remember Carol from NYC briefly fosted a kitten, mostly because her pronounciation of the word kitten was annoying.

[jaync]

Wow, Shay really let himself go after breaking up with Scheana.

[Stinamaia]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Agree. My philosophy with my children, going in, was to speak to them as I would other adults. If they didn't understand a word, I would explain it to them. But then I had my daughter. She is on the spectrum; she had very delayed speech in her younger years and has some real cognitive problems. I don't think I could actually have a back and forth conversation with her, even a super simple one, until she was 3 or older. So yes, I've had to take a totally different tack with her. I do oversimplify what I say. And I often have to re-phrase things several times until I land on the words that finally make sense to her. 

I don't care for Dorit all that much, but I think she's doing just fine with Jagger. I really couldn't judge her based on just a few minutes. Nor would I want to; having kids with delays and difficulties is rough. 

My cousin didn't speak at all til after 3 years old. Even in 1st grade he had difficulty pronouncing words. He was a odd little boy, but he grew up and went to college and runs a small business. Lots of kids and especially boys have speech delays.  Parents who have children with special needs don't need judgments and the children certainly don't.  

I think Dorit's little boy is adorable. He seems so sweet and loving. 

[ElDosEquis]

58 minutes ago, PumpkinPK said:

Just curious if anyone knows, across all the RH franchises, are all these women dog people, or does anyone have a cat?

I remember Carol from NYC briefly fosted a kitten, mostly because her pronounciation of the word kitten was annoying.

EJ has a pussy that she is always 'manhandling'?

[KungFuBunny]

 Eden Repellent Course 101

 

Best Friends Forever Friendship Ring?

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, WireWrap said:

This is how I know they can bring these dogs into this country......  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-canada-dog-rescue-1.3912160 ,  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/whats-now/sd-me-meat-dogs-adoption-20170112-story.html , http://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/dozens-of-dogs-rescued-from-south-korea-meat-trade-arrive-safe-in-pittsburgh/506250374 Yes, it is expensive and time consuming but it does happen.

I love the headlines about the 'dogs arriving safely' - as if the RGs were going to load the animals onto planes that were scheduled NOT to make it safely? (I used to write headlines, so I am easily amused by the inference that the dogs were in any danger after they were put in the plane..)

The hardest thing about any animal saving venture is the when you realize that you cannot save every single animal on the planet......

MY personal favorite is

https://searchdogfoundation.org/

[KungFuBunny]

Which sofa for the reunion does this represent?

Bunny’s take

Rinna is the brunette already lamenting that her lips aren’t big enough

Erika is in the middle and has not yet figured out what to do with her hands (pat the puss not even a twinkle yet)

Eileen is on the far right – practicing her dramatic soapie face – don’t call me a beast!

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, PumpkinPK said:

Just curious if anyone knows, across all the RH franchises, are all these women dog people, or does anyone have a cat?

I remember Carol from NYC briefly fosted a kitten, mostly because her pronounciation of the word kitten was annoying.

I don't remember anyone saying they had a cat, not 1 HW. Carole said she might get 1 after she was done fostering but I don't think she ever did.

[CatMomma]

5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I don't remember anyone saying they had a cat, not 1 HW. Carole said she might get 1 after she was done fostering but I don't think she ever did.

I've always wondered about that. Cats. no matter how social, would probably run away from an entire camera crew invading their space.  When I have 3 people over, my normally social kitty disappears. Not great TV.

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

This is how I know they can bring these dogs into this country......  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-canada-dog-rescue-1.3912160 ,  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/whats-now/sd-me-meat-dogs-adoption-20170112-story.html , http://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/dozens-of-dogs-rescued-from-south-korea-meat-trade-arrive-safe-in-pittsburgh/506250374 Yes, it is expensive and time consuming but it does happen.

Ww I agree with you, it can be done. They can also be shipped – 3 weeks transport via ocean to the port of LA – they don’t need to be “flown” in. But by the time these puppies go through the red tape and quarantine both for countries and are transported – they’ll be full grown and who is going to spend 30K to adopt them?

My point is LVP better be real careful with that documentary of hers and how she portrays “China” she could end up doing more harm than good.

Prime example. Years ago baby Chinese girls were the “in” place to adopt. Expensive but easier than adopting in the US. Then a documentary came out. About why were there so many baby girls available, then it delved into the 1 child per household rule, the “crying” mountain where female infants were brought to die so that the family could try for a “boy”. Then boom – no more adoptions for a few years.

I personally know of 2 couples at that time that were in the middle of their process – both already put in 100K each – they never got the child nor their money back. They both did get to adopt years later and spent additional funds. This wasn’t until after China released their own documentary of orphanages with tons of nurses , babies being picked up left and right, how the gov’t was working with various countries to find forever homes for these precious bundles.

If there’s a way to make money I could very well see puppy mills springing up in Hong Kong being renamed Yulin Rescue Dogs.