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55 minutes ago, blairwaldorf said:

 

This TCC seems like it's full of one season girls, many of whom shouldn't have made the team in the first place, and wouldn't have in previous years. 

See I feel the exact opposite. Christina is weak beyond words, and other than her maybe Savannah and Rachel (for weight) but for the most part everyone seems really strong especially coming from severe other pro teams. 

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Confused....I just saw the DCC Instagram page and there is a pic of Jessika, Game Day Girl, and Erica is right next to her. Jessika has the even blonder look (YIKES!) otherwise I would convince myself it was from last year. (and comments current...)

I thought Jessika was recent GD Girl, so how does this line up with Erica's exit/injury?

Can anyone fill in the blanks for me?

 

Thanks!

19 minutes ago, WaterSpirit said:

Confused....I just saw the DCC Instagram page and there is a pic of Jessika, Game Day Girl, and Erica is right next to her. Jessika has the even blonder look (YIKES!) otherwise I would convince myself it was from last year. (and comments current...)

I thought Jessika was recent GD Girl, so how does this line up with Erica's exit/injury?

Can anyone fill in the blanks for me?

 

Thanks!

Old. You can see Allie behind her too. 

After all these seasons, it is clear CMT (or someone) picks a couple of girls be the ones "most likely to fail" (or hate).  This year it seems to be Christina.  Last year it was Kelsey.  Kelsey hasn't been called in one time this year (on screen).  

Tasha also said in a recent clip she had been called in several times and we never saw that.

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51 minutes ago, WaterSpirit said:

Confused....I just saw the DCC Instagram page and there is a pic of Jessika, Game Day Girl, and Erica is right next to her. Jessika has the even blonder look (YIKES!) otherwise I would convince myself it was from last year. (and comments current...)

I thought Jessika was recent GD Girl, so how does this line up with Erica's exit/injury?

Can anyone fill in the blanks for me?

 

Thanks!

If you’re talking about the little video clip it’s from last season. You see Erica, Allie and maybe Melissa? also.

On 10/13/2017 at 5:16 PM, Moxiejan said:

How is it that we know that her departure won't be mentioned? All we know is that she has been largely edited out so far. That doesn't mean that Kelli can magically get from 38 to 36 by making just one televised cut. Something about the second exit has to be said, even if it's just "a veteran got injured, so we're down to 36."

It won't. I think it's pretty obvious especially since MTT, K&J and Shelly have made it a point to dismiss any mention of her.

On 10/13/2017 at 7:09 PM, Moxiejan said:

They obviously have back-edited to diminish her, but she still was shown in the background several times. And Kelli has repeatedly kept the audience aware of the "number count." Clearly, it has been decided to play up Jenna/Holly & play down Erica. But Kelli simply can't make one cut and then announce that the 38 have become 36. The departure of one more has to be addressed in some way, even if with only a 10-second announcement.

She shouldn't, but she sure can. It makes sense to us a viewer. The MOST they'll do is mention them having to release someone, and that would be the only 3 seconds we would get. I'm just saying, don't expect an explanation; we won't be getting one.

On 10/13/2017 at 10:53 PM, NMDD43 said:

Anyone else starting to wonder if that office visit with Jenna early in the season about her stepping up as a leader was filmed later? Call me a skeptic, but that was some convenient foreshadowing for what went down later in the summer….

I'm not. I'm just thinking it was a discussion that was going to happen anyway, just in light of everything that happened, they decided to air it. She is the most senior vet on a very "junior" team. The discussion was bound to happen. I think the way it was edited when it happened might give that impression, but I doubt it.

38 minutes ago, parrotfeathers said:

After all these seasons, it is clear CMT (or someone) picks a couple of girls be the ones "most likely to fail" (or hate).  This year it seems to be Christina.  Last year it was Kelly.  Kelly hasn't been called in one time this year (on screen).  

Tasha also said in a recent clip she had been called in several times and we never saw that.

Hmm. I missed that. I didn't get that impression at all.

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11 hours ago, WaterSpirit said:

I just saw something where Melissa Rycroft is on an AM show in Dallas? She certainly would have had people vouching for her to get that job, and those who have helped her on her way. (including the only case I have heard of where a cheerleader quits and is let back on to a team mid season.) Someone had to advocate for her to come back..

so I would hope that someone who has been given a lot of helping hands in the "industry" would have the guts to stand up for great dancers next to judges that are NOT dancers, but there to be the voice of the men at the games. (yes Neil M.)

Specifically, Melissa and Neil M. derailed Katelynn, whose only crimes were too dark hair color and exotic looks. "cat like" per the hairstylist. There was a time exotic was a bonus per Charlotte. Neil M favored Lacey's look over Katelynn, What? Katelynn has kicks that matched Lacey's, (and yes there must a been a few more no votes, and this makes me question who is on the judging panel)

Judging is very subjective. If Melissa and Neil watched the entirety of the 4 day audition process and didn't feel like Katelynn was terrific, their opinion is just as (and actually more) valid than any of us who saw 5 minutes of Katelynn on tv. We're seeing what CMT chooses to show us. They're seeing everything. I wouldn't expect Melissa to champion someone who doesn't impress her, regardless of how she has advanced in her own career. I expect the judges to give their honest opinion. They often disagree with each other, and they all - including Melissa- advocate for the ones they do like. If a few judges didn't like Katelynn, they didn't like her, and that's ok. They are looking for a combination of characteristics. "Great dancer" is one of them, but certainly isn't the only one that counts. Assuming Katelynn is the most amazing dancer ever, she must not have brought enough to the table in those other aspects.

When it comes down to it, Kelli, Charlotte, and Judy decide who is chosen for training camp, and none of those women are easily swayed in their opinions. If they really wanted Katelynn, she would've been chosen.

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2 hours ago, parrotfeathers said:

After all these seasons, it is clear CMT (or someone) picks a couple of girls be the ones "most likely to fail" (or hate).  This year it seems to be Christina.  Last year it was Kelly.  Kelly hasn't been called in one time this year (on screen).  

Tasha also said in a recent clip she had been called in several times and we never saw that.

I think you mean Kelsey. Kelly was a rock star, made show group and wasn’t praised often. 

13 hours ago, Java said:

Good. Then just show the cut. If it's not going to hurt her career, not cause legal issues, just show it, lol. People are going to speculate like crazy, and feed off of info they're fed from insiders not just fellow fans, if the show ignores it. 

I'm getting beyond the point of caring about the drama queens at this point because they take away from the dance, but you have to admit, the 'hissy fit' the twit threw took some nerve.

If the speculation is overboard, then they can 'set the fans straight' and air it.

If they choose to ignore the speculation, then anyone in DCC-land or CMT forfeit the right to bitch about the speculation.

Either put up or shut up. Pretty simple for CMT and DCC, lol.

Honestly, if it wasn't for this website I wouldn't have noticed Erica was gone. 

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13 hours ago, Java said:

Good. Then just show the cut. If it's not going to hurt her career, not cause legal issues, just show it, lol. People are going to speculate like crazy, and feed off of info they're fed from insiders not just fellow fans, if the show ignores it. 

I'm getting beyond the point of caring about the drama queens at this point because they take away from the dance, but you have to admit, the 'hissy fit' the twit threw took some nerve.

If the speculation is overboard, then they can 'set the fans straight' and air it.

If they choose to ignore the speculation, then anyone in DCC-land or CMT forfeit the right to bitch about the speculation.

Either put up or shut up. Pretty simple for CMT and DCC, lol.

Yes to all of this but I especially the bold. My speculation is that if they don’t show it, then it’s because it makes Kelli look bad to have this problem come right on the heels of the Jenna/Holly drama. It’s not like these are rookies misbehaving but veterans, including 2 group leaders. It reflects poorly on management too after a while. 

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I wonder what will be said if a fan or anyone who goes to games regularly would ask, " Hey where is Erica this year?"   

"I heard she did audition and was back in training camp."   I am wondering as an Erica fan. I know this is definitely not the football team but wouldn't fans want to know if Dak was in the pre season activities and then just never was at any of the games.

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4 hours ago, parrotfeathers said:

Tasha also said in a recent clip she had been called in several times and we never saw that.

That is interesting. So we don't see everyone who is called in. I know we don't see the entire session when they are. I wonder how much this Jenna stuff ate up. Like, might we have seen more of some of these nameless background girls? Would we have seen more of them being called in?

I'm always fascinated by the editing choices these shows make. I know they are crafting a storyline, but it is so interesting to me how they do it. The text is a great example. Then never showed how the text got to Judy. Obviously Shelley gave it to her but because of the editing, we don't know if Shelley ran to them as soon as she could to tattle, or if they asked Shelley how Jenna is doing and she mentioned it and they asked to see the text. Depending on which it is, the narrative changes. Leaving it out causes all this speculation. Perhaps the speculation is what they want, because it causes buzz and buzz might bring them more eyeballs. Maybe that is why they are on the DL with the Erica thing. Honestly, I couldn't care less if the idiot was cut. But all this he said she said stuff will keep it from blowing over long after it would have had they just addressed it on the show.

8 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

That is interesting. So we don't see everyone who is called in. I know we don't see the entire session when they are. I wonder how much this Jenna stuff ate up. Like, might we have seen more of some of these nameless background girls? Would we have seen more of them being called in?

I'm always fascinated by the editing choices these shows make. I know they are crafting a storyline, but it is so interesting to me how they do it. The text is a great example. Then never showed how the text got to Judy. Obviously Shelley gave it to her but because of the editing, we don't know if Shelley ran to them as soon as she could to tattle, or if they asked Shelley how Jenna is doing and she mentioned it and they asked to see the text. Depending on which it is, the narrative changes. Leaving it out causes all this speculation. Perhaps the speculation is what they want, because it causes buzz and buzz might bring them more eyeballs. Maybe that is why they are on the DL with the Erica thing. Honestly, I couldn't care less if the idiot was cut. But all this he said she said stuff will keep it from blowing over long after it would have had they just addressed it on the show.

Yeah, I honestly think the fact that they aired that scene with the text speaks volumes, given everything that they don’t show. This show typically seems rather meticulous in what they air and what they don’t in order to further the narrative. Other than embarrassing Jenna (more) and causing rampant speculation regarding Shelly, I’m not sure  what that scene achieved as far as moving the story along. It seems like it took away from the HOF performance, which should be what they would have wanted the main discussion to be about regarding episode. If this were a show that aired everything or was super focused on drama, I would see it, but they typically are not, so the inclusion of that scene stands out like a sore thumb, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

It seems like it took away from the HOF performance, which should be what they would have wanted the main discussion to be about regarding episode.

Yes, now that you mention that, it is odd they would sully the feel good HOF stuff, and really, everything they showed from HOF was great, the girls visiting the museum was fun, the dances we got to see where great, all the HOF stuff left me feeling good. Then the Jenna stuff happened and it was like throwing a wet blanket over everything. Odd they chose to show it, odder that they showed it in this ep and not to open next ep. Maybe it was to "put Jenna in her place". But really, it was a dark spot on what should have been their most happy/positive ep.

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1 hour ago, Jess14 said:

Yes to all of this but I especially the bold. My speculation is that if they don’t show it, then it’s because it makes Kelli look bad to have this problem come right on the heels of the Jenna/Holly drama. It’s not like these are rookies misbehaving but veterans, including 2 group leaders. It reflects poorly on management too after a while. 

I'm guessing Charlotte wasn't pleased with all the veteran drama this year.

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There was a gap of time between from seeing Keyra at 10:15 and then Jenna at 11:45.  There seemed to be some hesitation with Kelli reading off the names to be seen so I wonder if Keyra was seen early and then perhaps Erica (because the team was back from HOF so they will heard about the indiscretion) and then finally Jenna.  Don't know but Erica was sitting in the front row when Kelli called out the names.

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10 hours ago, parrotfeathers said:

After all these seasons, it is clear CMT (or someone) picks a couple of girls be the ones "most likely to fail" (or hate).  This year it seems to be Christina.  Last year it was Kelsey.  Kelsey hasn't been called in one time this year (on screen).  

Tasha also said in a recent clip she had been called in several times and we never saw that.

Kelsey was called into the office before finals by Kelli and Judy. She was told to step it up from last year. I do not see her as a stand out. To me, she is a blender dancer who made the team on looks alone.

19 hours ago, Java said:

Then just show the cut. If it's not going to hurt her career, not cause legal issues, just show it, lol. People are going to speculate like crazy, and feed off of info they're fed from insiders not just fellow fans, if the show ignores it. 

Yea I think that’s what irks me about it is that they are allowing us to control the narrative, in a sense. If you do the basic math and care enough to wonder who is missing, as soon as you google DCC forum or Erica cut, Holly cut, or Jenna cut, this forum pops right up where people can/will see and agree with our inferences based on the fandom for the show. Among everything ELSE we talk about on here. 

Just thinking out loud, I would be curious to see how many people found this forum specifically BECAUSE the Holly/Jenna thing was so grey. The same, presumably, will happen with Erica. 

Not addressing it on the show and letting us address it for the internet ultimatley tarnishes the squeaky clean DCC brand for those casual audience members who may have really liked Erica and don’t get what’s happening now. 

 

(steps off soapbox)

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11 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Kelsey was called into the office before finals by Kelli and Judy. She was told to step it up from last year. I do not see her as a stand out. To me, she is a blender dancer who made the team on looks alone.

There’s always those girls who make it on visuals alone every year, but I think they know that and are probably ok with it. Strong dancers get the front of the triangle, stunners get magazine covers/Calendar (give or take seniority).

I guess it also comes down to doing more right than wrong. Kelsey seems to have a good head on her shoulders. Not saying she’ll be a five year girl (but please do), but some DCC favorite did start out “blah” and then become “wow”. Ya never know.

Tasha’s grown on me as well. Her being in show group is still kinda bizarre, but she seems really humbled and generous. I actually want her to come back next season (which I didn’t say last year). 

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1 hour ago, HowdeeDo said:

There’s always those girls who make it on visuals alone every year, but I think they know that and are probably ok with it. Strong dancers get the front of the triangle, stunners get magazine covers/Calendar (give or take seniority).

I guess it also comes down to doing more right than wrong. Kelsey seems to have a good head on her shoulders. Not saying she’ll be a five year girl (but please do), but some DCC favorite did start out “blah” and then become “wow”. Ya never know.

Tasha’s grown on me as well. Her being in show group is still kinda bizarre, but she seems really humbled and generous. I actually want her to come back next season (which I didn’t say last year). 

I agree, I really like Tasha. She's seem like a sweet teammate and mature. In a year, that the maturity seems to be the issue for some of the girls, I'm sure Kelli and Judy are thankful to have her. 

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I recently followed Maggie on Insta and I saw a pic she posted during calendar swimsuit fittings this last spring and the pic had Mandy in it ? Did she changed her mind and decided to retire after the fittings ? Was she advised to retire after the fittings due to her weight issues ? and If so I thought they do these meeting before that ? Do any of you guys have any info on Mandy's retirement ?

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Mandy had originally planned to audition again but was called out for weight in front of the CMT camera's. She apparently felt ambushed and decided to retire. Kelli apparently reached out to her to apologize, but Mandy decided to stick with the decision to retire. She moved to Cali a few weeks ago I believe.

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14 hours ago, LadyMsJay said:

It won't. I think it's pretty obvious especially since MTT, K&J and Shelly have made it a point to dismiss any mention of her.

She shouldn't, but she sure can. It makes sense to us a viewer. The MOST they'll do is mention them having to release someone, and that would be the only 3 seconds we would get. I'm just saying, don't expect an explanation; we won't be getting one.

I'm not. I'm just thinking it was a discussion that was going to happen anyway, just in light of everything that happened, they decided to air it. She is the most senior vet on a very "junior" team. The discussion was bound to happen. I think the way it was edited when it happened might give that impression, but I doubt it.

Hmm. I missed that. I didn't get that impression at all.

And this is how a tv show can affect the dignity and effectiveness of a cohesive team. So consumed with how the events will play out on television that you lose the main reason you were hired. Steering the fans towards the loudest decibel that can be reached while serving your community. Looking hot and having the coolest tricks aren't propelling "America's Sweethearts" into anyone's hearts. Love watching the teams with cheerleaders that withstand the elements for nothing more than to provide a winning scenario for the guys making the big bucks. All while going about their daily lives and jobs without the glamour Holly and so many other DCC's needed to show up to work. 

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On 10/15/2017 at 7:39 PM, WaterSpirit said:

Specifically, Melissa and Neil M. derailed Katelynn, whose only crimes were too dark hair color and exotic looks. "cat like" per the hairstylist. 

 

Some insiders vaguely confirmed (by liking posts) that Katelynn had a bad rep from LSU, which the DCCs who knew her probably passed on to K&J.

At least, that's what I think happened. No other way to explain it - Kelli loves a makeover project.

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On 10/14/2017 at 7:46 PM, UnicornKicks said:

OMG ERICA 'THREATENED' FOR LIKE A WHOLE SECOND TO SUE. That's it. No grounds whatsoever and did not pursue it.

It just didn't fit the story arc for MTT.

You’re wrong. ? it fit. It would have been ratings gold. They took the conservative route when her threats started. 

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3 hours ago, Java said:

Mandy had originally planned to audition again but was called out for weight in front of the CMT camera's. She apparently felt ambushed and decided to retire. Kelli apparently reached out to her to apologize, but Mandy decided to stick with the decision to retire. She moved to Cali a few weeks ago I believe.

Wow sounds pretty shallow and vain of her honestly. Wasn't she like 30? Should be used to a little criticism by then..

29 minutes ago, ilovetrashtv said:

Some insiders vaguely confirmed (by liking posts) that Katelynn had a bad rep from LSU, which the DCCs who knew her probably passed on to K&J.

That didn't stop them from taking Carla ito training camp in season 7 who couldn't even dance in the first place. She was well known in the Dallas scene and not in a positive light. The pic incident with her was just the tip of the iceberg but they took her aboard probably just to make an example of her . So if that's true about katelyn maybe she is lucky she didn't get in. 

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48 minutes ago, SunshineSally said:

You’re wrong. ? it fit. It would have been ratings gold. They took the conservative route when her threats started. 

I totally agree with you that her storyline fit perfect with this season. We are finally seeing Kelli and Judy lay down the law with these girls. And we are finally seeing these girls through a more realistic lens (ie. that they are not perfect, they do make mistakes, they do break rules, etc). Erica's drama/cut would have been the cherry on top of the "we don't take shit" sundae ??

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4 hours ago, Java said:

Mandy had originally planned to audition again but was called out for weight in front of the CMT camera's. She apparently felt ambushed and decided to retire. Kelli apparently reached out to her to apologize, but Mandy decided to stick with the decision to retire. She moved to Cali a few weeks ago I believe.

I wonder if Mandy just lucked out and the producers decided not to air that conversation on the show. If I remember correctly, Kelli didn't even acknowledge her as being one of the girls to retire this year, did she? She's another one that just disappeared with no mention. I bet Holly and Jenna are wishing they were spared the air time like Mandy and Erica were.

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13 hours ago, WaterSpirit said:

Erica and Melissa had been my faves from their rookie year together

That was probably the last rookie group I cared about.  I tend to mix years up, but I think this was the rookie class that also included Lacey, Loren, Mary & Victoria.  Where I get screwed up is sometimes I insist Megan C was in this group, but I'm pretty sure she was the year after...she & Amy T are the only ones I cared about then.

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5 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I THOUGHT the story went that it was filmed for MTT & it pissed her off that the organization was going to make her getting scolded for weight gain public.

Yeah I think that was it from what I remember. It happened after the calendar shoot and right before auditions from what I remember. 

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Just now, Jess14 said:

Yeah I think that was it from what I remember. It happened after the calendar shoot and right before auditions from what I remember. 

It was pretty obvious from the swimsuit pictures that she did put on weight, but let's just say that if I looked like that in a bikini I wouldn't exactly be shedding any tears! 

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17 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Kelsey was called into the office before finals by Kelli and Judy. She was told to step it up from last year. I do not see her as a stand out. To me, she is a blender dancer who made the team on looks alone.

I love Kelsey and have a soft spot for her because she is not a lifetime dancer.  I was the same and picked things up naturally when I decided to go out for dance team my sophomore year, officer senior year, one year as a Strutter at Texas State.  Then I got married at 19.  I guess I live vicariously through her because I wish I would have gone for it when I had a chance.  She is pretty good considering, she stands up over some girls who have danced their whole lives.  Pretty cool....

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10 minutes ago, klh25 said:

She is pretty good considering, she stands up over some girls who have danced their whole lives. 

I wonder in some ways if dancing your whole life could kind of work against you, in the sense that you're used to doing things as you were trained to do them, which I think is why many can't seem to grasp their style.

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4 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I wonder in some ways if dancing your whole life could kind of work against you, in the sense that you're used to doing things as you were trained to do them, which I think is why many can't seem to grasp their style.

Very possible.   I think it sometimes keeps them from letting loose so to speak while dancing, some are so stuck in the technique they don't go all out and are boring to watch.  It certainly doesn't hurt that Kelsey is easy on the eyes and has a good personality. 

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18 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I wonder in some ways if dancing your whole life could kind of work against you, in the sense that you're used to doing things as you were trained to do them, which I think is why many can't seem to grasp their style.

I'd say so, but I'd also say it's super dependent on what style of dance you've done. if its been nothing but ballet, something with extremely rigid technique, straight to DCC style with nothing/little in between I'd say it would be more of a challenge.  after years of ice dance (and dressage which has a similar need of extreme control and technique), of completely divorcing my upper body from my lower body and left and right sides, I found it super hard to do any other form of dance because I'd essentially forgotten how to move my body as a cohesive unit, if that makes sense. it wasn't like the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing, the right hand didn't kknow the left existed any more.

I also think it depends on how good your technique is.  i see a lotof girls come into auditions/TC who have danced almost all their lives, and considering that could be 15+ years, some of them have dreadful technique which you'll never correct over the course of a couple months. either they've just been taught wrong nad never corrected, ie bad coaching, or they've fallen into very bad habits somewhere along the way in their training.  that said, while K& (ESP)J are sticklers for technique in kickline, over the last few years, theres definitely been a reduction, personally, in the level of crisp technique the  majority of girls show in the rest of their dancing, from body alignment to 'broken' wrists, to turnout

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The twitter account just posted a tweet in which they say in the tweet and video attached that “there is one more cut to make.” Either the Erica situation will be handled in a voiceover at the beginning, or more likely, it seems like they’re just going to pretend that Kelli didn’t say on the last episode that there were 2 more cuts. 

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There is a facebook video where Judy and Kelli say one more cut needs to be made, and they show a few girls including Taryn. Why is Taryn being shown when she was already cut. I cannot post the video because facebook is not my friend. Why not say a vet was cut and be done with it since we have two episodes before the season is over.

1 minute ago, bigskygirl said:

There is a facebook video where Judy and Kelli say one more cut needs to be made, and they show a few girls including Taryn. Why is Taryn being shown when she was already cut. I cannot post the video because facebook is not my friend. Why not say a vet was cut and be done with it since we have two episodes before the season is over.

Taryn hasn't been cut yet has she?

17 minutes ago, Katherine1904 said:

Anyone see the podcast with Lacey and Maggie? 

 

Lacey was asked how they construct the triangle formation and she said seniority usually, although KaShara is point this year and I’ve been on the team a year longer. 

 

Bitter comes to mind? 

personally, I don't think senority should have THAT much to do with triangle formation/point. it should have more to do with best performer/dancer than 'oh that girl's been here X years, stick her on point'. I know some would argue lacey is a better performer, but I much prefer Kashara, both as a performer and in interviews.  I wondeer if she caught crap for that, that's some sub-tweet level nonsense right there. 
Was Shannon G any better this week? he got chastised a few times on the DCC insta for talking over the girls and the other host, for being crass and not asking questions people had asked, instead just a bunch of boring questions that have been asked and answered a number of times over the years

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