S07.E03: Going Commando

[breezy424]

Well, this is why I always wear underwear (I hate the word panties as well) and..... something over that underwear cause God only knows 'what' was on that seat before me.  I always wipe down the public toilet seat and prefer not to physically fully sit down in those rest stops on the highway, put a towel over that public beach or lounge chair, and immediately wash my hands when I get home from shopping.  Because there's people like Erika, or was she Erika Jane that night?

On another note, I can't help but get the impression that Erika is a bit lonely and insecure.  Her husband travels all the time.  Erika Jane is paid for by her husband.  Her husband pays for the fawning squad.  Maybe she does have friends outside of the show but I'm not quite that sure.  I also don't get her popularity with viewers.

Edited December 27, 2016 by breezy424

[zoeysmom]

12 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I get liking someone more - I really do.  I can understand commenting that you don't care if LVP is being a nasty bitch, because you like her more.   But I don't get ignoring context, or even knowingly misrepresenting a scene, or even changing what actually happened, to justify your favorite (meant as a generalization of comments).  Kyle's my favorite.  I defend Kyle.  But I don't change what was shown by the camera, and argue it vehemently, simply because she's my favorite.  Do I get frustrated when people here call her Vyle, and suggest she's a sister-tormenting, cold, fake, brainless, evil woman, who only gets men to marry her by getting pregnant?  Sure.  But I don't try to convince these people of my view point.  I will counter-argue things that seem particularly vicious, unless someone gets there first (you are very good at defending Kyle), but I try not to counter every poster who says something less than glowing of Kyle.  It's exhausting (or I'm just lazy).

I think there's a great deal of gray area between what LVP did, and simply ignoring her.  LVP has no problem with icing people out.  She wanted to get her digs in with Erika.  Lisa knew she was with HER friends, she knew Ken, PK, and Dorit would back up anything she said/did, so she got in her digs.  That's fine, but I want her to continue to own it.  If Lisa turns this into another victimization, and her fans follow suit, I'm going to lose my mind.

I strongly disagree on the Y&R crack.  Lisa wanted Erika to think she was the second choice for the part.  There's a reason Kyle immediately contradicted her - something Kyle wouldn't have done if it was an obvious joke.  And there's a reason producers showed the flashback of Lisa begging Eileen for a part - so we would know that Lisa was lying.  No need to do that for an obvious light-hearted joke. 

The housewives are allowed to dislike each other, although it can be stressful.  But I don't blame it on jealousy all the time.  I really don't think Erika is jealous of LVP and her relationship with Ken.  I really don't think she's jealous of Dorit and her frequently bankrupted (UK and US) hubby PK, and their legendary love story.  I don't think LVP dislikes Erika because she's jealous.  I don't think Kyle dislikes anyone because she's jealous.  Why is that always the go to with women?  Why are men allowed to dislike other men but are never accused of insecurity and jealousy?

Sorry, I'm obviously getting lost in a stream of consciousness.  This isn't particularly aimed at you, WW, it's more my impressions of this franchise in general, and it worked in response to your comment.  As always, no hard feelings?

If what was presented to us was the one and only time PK got a peek at Erika's crotch was when LVP put her hand up Erika's skirt then LVP does deserve some wrath, just because it was uncool.  That is not what is being represented by PK though. 

I believe as the season plays out Erika and LVP will develop a friendship.  Perhaps the basis of such a friendship is that Erika will stop telling people how to behave and how they should treat someone and LVP will lighten up on the what Erika perceives as veiled insults.

I do think LVP wanted Erika to know she been there done that with the Y&R tour and had things not taken a dour turn between Eileen and LVP she might have been the first one up for a slot on Y&R.  Since fighting over cameo roles has been done on RHOC, I am kind of over it.  To me, it is just a publicity ploy for the show.  An unremarkable performance at best between Eileen and Erika. All Eileen seems to have this year is grief and her Y&R show and of course being pissed of at LVP.

I do think Erika at have some second hand jealousy over LVP and Kyle through Yolanda.  From Erika's perspective she has more toys, more of an opulent lifestyle with her glam squad and all so why shouldn't she shoot to the top of the heap?  Quite simply everything Erika has is surface stuff.  LVP and Kyle on the other hand we have seen a more panoramic picture of them with seven seasons.  Just for shits and giggles, there is one RH that dated our president elect (Kim) so name dropping and the like Erika, is not necessarily at the top of the heap.  http://static10.imagecollect.com/preview/560/324fca3af08a489

I agree I don't think there is some jealousy formula, I don't see Erika wanting to be tied to two infants or four daughters like Dorit and Kyle.  I don't see Erika wanting to put in the time and energy in running an restaurant empire and actually being involved in adult children's lives.  I think she is pretty happy with her life, which doesn't translate into the others wanting it.  I suppose LVP or Kyle have the wealth to have a full time glam squad, but maybe they have other ways to occupy their days. 

So now we have a season where Kyle and LVP have a chance to get to know Erika without the ever looming shadow of Yolanda, who never quite toppled either one from their star roles.  The distractions will be Eileen and Rinna who can't really handle an LVP/Kyle relationship. 

Edited December 27, 2016 by zoeysmom

[Lizzing]

17 hours ago, AnitaKnight said:

I would get mad too, if I found I had inadvertently (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt) flashed an acquaintance and they chose not to let it slide and prevent further embarrassment, but to have a full out discussion about it on camera for the world to see and know about.  That's just low, catty, mean girl behavior, imo. And we know from the previews, that Dorit won't leave it at that. 

Not to mention the conversation was held in front of their 2 year old, complete with an f bomb.  I'm sure that's just their way of enhancing the child's linguistic skills.

[halkatla]

Yes, it´s very easy to misunderstand. I think somehow Kyle´s interjection will have been the key to it not becoming a whole big thing. Also, if it does come up I have some hope that Eileen will figure it out for what it was, and tell Erika the truth.

Edited December 27, 2016 by halkatla

[zoeysmom]

15 minutes ago, halkatla said:

Yes, it´s very easy to misunderstand. I think somehow Kyle´s interjection will have been the key to it not becoming a whole big thing. Also, if it does come up I have some hope that Eileen will figure it out for what it was, and tell Erika the truth.

If that happens it will probably take five episodes and endless explanations by LVP, the first three will be nebulous, which will be cause for an in-depth investigation.  I a Rinna will weigh and make things worse.

I think at this point Erika Jayne is really delighted for any mainstream media she receives.   

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 12/22/2016 at 4:23 PM, heatherchandler said:

Oh my god, it is so obnoxious.

As a horse person I took  it a little differently than backdoor bragging (though LVP totally does sometimes). To me the context was as if someone (production) had asked are the horses a fad/new thing? And she said she'd had horses in England or her whole life (something to that effect) for me to say she had 15 lent more credibility to the fact that she was an experienced horse person. IF she'd had one in England that's one thing but to have 15 the family probably rode together and had time invested together hacking, hunting, showing etc.  I personally know a hundred people or more who own more than 15 horses. And that's a fact not a backdoor brag! Unless they are horse hoarders, they are all pretty experienced. I was actually impressed with how Lisa rode for her age.   :-) 

[zoeysmom]

Interesting, if true, take on the season.  http://radaronline.com/photos/rhobh-feud-season-7-premiere-cast-photos/  Yes at this point it is Kyle and LVP's show, but only because of Rinna being a loud mouth attention seeking clown and Eileen's failure to develop a personality.  If they are hoping to cultivate Erika good luck.  She just doesn't have domestic side to her-well except for her glam squad.  No mention ever of enjoying Tom's grandchildren and most likely great grandchildren, soon.  Of course there is this Christmas greeting:

Just hard to warm up to this woman.

[StevieRocks]

Ugh, there are few things I despise more than a rube: Kyle's daughter clomping around scared to death of everything in NYC was ridiculous...and very sad. No, Vyle, she doesn't seem "smart." She seems like an illiterate, culturally-unaware, socially-unconscious , UNGRATEFUL nitwit like her dingbat mother. What a waste.

[ElDosEquis]

17 hours ago, athousandclowns said:

Not to mention sliding on a booth at Denny's or The Matterhorn at Disneyland. 

Everyone knows that you can't get anyone's ass funk from a seat in the Happiest Place on Earth?

LOL, this reminds me of the nickname for the paper seat covers used in toilets.........Ass Gasket!!

18 hours ago, Giselle said:

I know! Kind of makes me want to cover my furniture in plastic before a party.  

I'd just buy wicker, then break it down and burn it in the fire pit AFTER the party?

[ElDosEquis]

12 minutes ago, StevieRocks said:

Ugh, there are few things I despise more than a rube: Kyle's daughter clomping around scared to death of everything in NYC was ridiculous...and very sad. No, Vyle, she doesn't seem "smart." She seems like an illiterate, culturally-unaware, socially-unconscious , UNGRATEFUL nitwit like her dingbat mother. What a waste.

At this point?
Portia - and her mad internet surfing skills - might be MORE worldly than the rest of the household?

[kokapetl]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Interesting, if true, take on the season.  http://radaronline.com/photos/rhobh-feud-season-7-premiere-cast-photos/  Yes at this point it is Kyle and LVP's show, but only because of Rinna being a loud mouth attention seeking clown and Eileen's failure to develop a personality.  If they are hoping to cultivate Erika good luck.  She just doesn't have domestic side to her-well except for her glam squad.  No mention ever of enjoying Tom's grandchildren and most likely great grandchildren, soon.  Of course there is this Christmas greeting:

Just hard to warm up to this woman.

She'd have to open those legs fairly wide for anyone to see anything. 

[zulualpha]

1 hour ago, StevieRocks said:

Ugh, there are few things I despise more than a rube: Kyle's daughter clomping around scared to death of everything in NYC was ridiculous...and very sad. No, Vyle, she doesn't seem "smart." She seems like an illiterate, culturally-unaware, socially-unconscious , UNGRATEFUL nitwit like her dingbat mother. What a waste.

The kid's a young teenager, I think we should cut her a break.  As the mother or a 14 year old girl I am reminded every day of how very in to themselves teenagers are.  I think it's a survival strategy, the total focus on self at this age and all the anxieties that go along with that.  I love my kid, would die for my kid but do I think she's a socially conscious, culturally aware, grateful, rocket scientist?  Let me put it this way, some days are better than others.  She's a work in progress, developing into what I'm very hopeful will be an adult with all those attributes.  Sophia seems like a good kid to me, nice looking, intelligent and lucky to have parents like Kyle and Maurico that care enough to give her a stable home with lots of love and support. 

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I do think LVP wanted Erika to know she been there done that with the Y&R tour and had things not taken a dour turn between Eileen and LVP she might have been the first one up for a slot on Y&R

I've watched Y&R over the years, my mom is a big soap fan, and it's kind of a dumb show imo.  It's not  a cool or smart show at all so even though it was nice of Eileen to get a walk on part for Erika and Erika clearly was thrilled I doubt Lisa was burning up with jealousy.  In fact, I'd be willing to bet if Lisa wanted a role on Y&R she could get one, a bigger one, all by herself and be fabulous.  

[breezy424]

Check the video with LVP's blog:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-7/blogs/lisa-vanderpump/lisa-vanderpump-it-is-an

At the 13 second mark you can clearly see Erika with no napkin covering her legs.  And PK is sitting across from her.  She's also on an angle to LVP.  I wouldn't think it impossible that either LVP or PK caught a glimpse, especially since you can see how high up that dress came when she sits.

[WireWrap]

14 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Check the video with LVP's blog:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-7/blogs/lisa-vanderpump/lisa-vanderpump-it-is-an

At the 13 second mark you can clearly see Erika with no napkin covering her legs.  And PK is sitting across from her.  She's also on an angle to LVP.  I wouldn't think it impossible that either LVP or PK caught a glimpse, especially since you can see how high up that dress came when she sits.

I think it very probable that PK caught a glimpse but I'm not sure Lisa did but everyone sitting across from her would have, including Dorit and Kyle. And, we saw that Lisa only tugged at Erika's hem, she did not put her hand "up" the dress like Erika claimed, although I don't think she was offended either way at the time, but changed her mind when 2 other pea brains convinced her otherwise. LOL

[kokapetl]

37 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Check the video with LVP's blog:

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-7/blogs/lisa-vanderpump/lisa-vanderpump-it-is-an

At the 13 second mark you can clearly see Erika with no napkin covering her legs.  And PK is sitting across from her.  She's also on an angle to LVP.  I wouldn't think it impossible that either LVP or PK caught a glimpse, especially since you can see how high up that dress came when she sits.

Erika's knees are firmly clamped together. Factor in chunky legs, nothing can be seen.

Why is he so pink? Are they at one of Lisa's unairconditioned venues?  

Edited December 27, 2016 by Kokapetl

[WireWrap]

46 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Erika's knees are firmly clamped together. Factor in chunky legs, nothing can be seen.

Why is he so pink? Are they at one of Lisa's unairconditioned venues?  

Yes, her knees are together but there is an open space between her legs about 2 inches above her knees, so it is possible that some of her lady parts were visible and we saw her shift her sitting position which could cause her legs to open further. No matter what, she did not expose herself on purpose at any time even though I think her dress choice was questionable for a sit down filmed gathering. Doesn't Erika understand the concept of a "White Party"? I get the feeling that she would not be very happy if someone wore that dress to a white party  she/Tom held. LOL

ETA, Yes, PK's face is a bit red. Was he embarrassed or was he upset? From the photo above, it looks like this was when she called him "mean", no one looks happy, they all look rather uncomfortable. LOL

Edited December 27, 2016 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I think it very probable that PK caught a glimpse but I'm not sure Lisa did but everyone sitting across from her would have, including Dorit and Kyle. And, we saw that Lisa only tugged at Erika's hem, she did not put her hand "up" the dress like Erika claimed, although I don't think she was offended either way at the time, but changed her mind when 2 other pea brains convinced her otherwise. LOL

I disagree that Dorit and Kyle must have seen something.  It would depend on the angle and their height.  Wire, we may to have one of our 'technical' conversations.  LOL :)  

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I disagree that Dorit and Kyle must have seen something.  It would depend on the angle and their height.  Wire, we may to have one of our 'technical' conversations.  LOL :)  

I worded that badly, what I was trying to convey (and badly at that) was that Kyle and Dorit would have had a better chance of seeing something than Lisa as they were across for Erika whereas Lisa was beside her. LOL

ETA  Only Ken was completely safe from any sighting of Tom's domain! LOL

Edited December 27, 2016 by WireWrap

[Almost 3000]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

ETA  Only Ken was completely safe from any sighting of Tom's domain! LOL

I've always felt Tom's domain was somewhere else and Erika's participation involves acting skills as much as anything else.

[breezy424]

10 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, her knees are together but there is an open space between her legs about 2 inches above her knees, so it is possible that some of her lady parts were visible and we saw her shift her sitting position which could cause her legs to open further. No matter what, she did not expose herself on purpose at any time even though I think her dress choice was questionable for a sit down filmed gathering. Doesn't Erika understand the concept of a "White Party"? I get the feeling that she would not be very happy if someone wore that dress to a white party  she/Tom held. LOL

ETA, Yes, PK's face is a bit red. Was he embarrassed or was he upset? From the photo above, it looks like this was when she called him "mean", no one looks happy, they all look rather uncomfortable. LOL

I agree.  Also, when you wear five or six inch heels  your knees are up higher and it widens the gap between your legs. 

I just did an experiment:  I sat in a chair with my legs together and when I lifted my knees up as if I were wearing high heels, a gap is created and it widens as you raise your knees.  My weight is average and yup, there could be a mishap if one wasn't wearing underwear. 

But it also goes back to Erika claiming she was covered as soon as she sat down which to me, she is admitting there could be a problem if she wasn't 'covered'.

[zoeysmom]

Whenever the ladies are at the Reunion there are shots of those with short skirts and when they don't have their legs crossed there is a gap.  One year Kelly told Alex to cross/close her legs because she was getting a shot of downtown.  The only difference here is Erika had no knickers on.  The bummer with keeping your legs crossed is when you get old, there is a little patch of broken veins that develop, right below the outside knee area. 

Erika should just run with it and end the discussion, way to may phots of her letting her guard down.  I still don't get braking up the line of the dress when they wear the flipping mic pacs.  A major bump in their back.

38 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I agree.  Also, when you wear five or six inch heels  your knees are up higher and it widens the gap between your legs. 

I just did an experiment:  I sat in a chair with my legs together and when I lifted my knees up as if I were wearing high heels, a gap is created and it widens as you raise your knees.  My weight is average and yup, there could be a mishap if one wasn't wearing underwear. 

But it also goes back to Erika claiming she was covered as soon as she sat down which to me, she is admitting there could be a problem if she wasn't 'covered'.

Exactly

[Otherkate]

Has anyone else here not worn underwear with a dress before? Because I have and even if your legs are slightly open, it's not that easy to see shit. Mostly what you would see is darkness. You'd have to open fairly wide for anything to be identifiable at all. Thank god we're getting a new episode tonight. She has her knees, as someone said, clamped together. Christ. I'm feeling sorry for Erika and frankly it's annoying because she's one of the least enjoyable housewives ever. Please, dear god, let this pantygate saga only last one more episode. 

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

Has anyone else here not worn underwear with a dress before? Because I have and even if your legs are slightly open, it's not that easy to see shit. Mostly what you would see is darkness. You'd have to open fairly wide for anything to be identifiable at all. Thank god we're getting a new episode tonight. She has her knees, as someone said, clamped together. Christ. I'm feeling sorry for Erika and frankly it's annoying because she's one of the least enjoyable housewives ever. Please, dear god, let this pantygate saga only last one more episode. 

Sadly, I believe pantygate continues for a while, Eileen and Rinna have to weigh in yet. LOL I think the extreme shortness of her dress and the fact that it is white may make it easier to expose oneself when it is worn without any under garments. And, as the photo shows that even though her knees were together, her upper legs were not. LOL

[ElDosEquis]

4 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Whenever the ladies are at the Reunion there are shots of those with short skirts and when they don't have their legs crossed there is a gap.  One year Kelly told Alex to cross/close her legs because she was getting a shot of downtown.  The only difference here is Erika had no knickers on.  The bummer with keeping your legs crossed is when you get old, there is a little patch of broken veins that develop, right below the outside knee area. 

 

So, instead of trying to see vagina - I'll be looking for those veins - from now on?

About #punannygape?

I don't buy the pass that people lobby for AFTER they do something stupid.

IF you wear a short skirt w/no undies?

Chances are you are going to flash your ass at some point - so why act stupid and admit that you 'might' flash someone as you jam out with your clam out?

It's going to happen.

----

There is nothing sexy about being flashed by a woman who just doesn't have a sense of humor.

I have yet to meet a vagina that was a bitch?

[izabella]

38 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Sadly, I believe pantygate continues for a while,

What?!  No!  Please be joking, please!  I don't know how much more I can take.  The less I am forced to think about Erika's crotch, the better. 

I'm not expecting these women to discuss world peace, or about the last book they read, but there must be something.

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, izabella said:

What?!  No!  Please be joking, please!  I don't know how much more I can take.  The less I am forced to think about Erika's crotch, the better. 

I'm not expecting these women to discuss world peace, or about the last book they read, but there must be something.

No, I am not joking though I wish I was. LOL

Spoiler

The previews show that Dorit tells Eileen/Rinna about it and they then squeal to Erika who gets upset at Dorit who tries to gift (gag gift I think) Erika a pair of panties. LOL

[izabella]

23 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

No, I am not joking though I wish I was. LOL

Oh, boy.  I'm going to need more wine.

[WireWrap]

37 minutes ago, izabella said:

Oh, boy.  I'm going to need more wine.

LOL We must never forget that the HWs are obligated, possibly contractually mandated, to play the runtelldat game every event some are missing from. LOL

[Kanena]

Erica looked extremely cute in that dress, as she did in the t-shirt dress she wore to the birthday party. PK and Dorit must have very boring lives to consider someone not wearing panties scandalous. So far I find Dorit lame and continue to see Erica as a cool, fashionable, composed lady. Maybe Dorit should focus more on getting her house together and teaching her son to talk instead of stirring up stupid drama.

[WireWrap]

Just now, Kanena said:

Erica looked extremely cute in that dress, as she did in the t-shirt dress she wore to the birthday party. PK and Dorit must have very boring lives to consider someone not wearing panties scandalous. So far I find Dorit lame and continue to see Erica as a cool, fashionable, composed lady. Maybe Dorit should focus more on getting her house together and teaching her son to talk instead of stirring up stupid drama.

But that's her job! It is the job of each and every HW across the entire franchise.

[Petunia13]

The VanderPump Dog Rescue Center is opening in a few weeks it's a no kill dog shelter. ??

[halkatla]

8 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Ok then.  I'm a liar, have the wrong type of humor, and a simpleton.  Anything else you need to add?  So nice to see that seven of my fellow posters agree with this opinion.

The LVP stans haven't driven me off this thread in a while, but they're coming close.

Wow. Are you really this offended and hurt? Or is this some type of humor that I´m not getting? Could be, there is a lot of humor that I don´t get but I don´t get mad when someone else gets it or laughs. Neither do I get offended when some plotlines go over my head (most of them do, sadly). I come here often just to see what I didn´t notice in the episodes. And I would never say you were a simpleton, since everything else you said about the whole thing made sense and made me think.

I never called you a liar either for not not getting a joke but now that you´ve been told that this was not a lie by Lisa but clearly a joke then still claiming that Lisa was lying does not make her a liar but you. So it´s up to you what you want to do with that. Please don´t go full Eileen because of this small, silly misunderstanding.

[Petunia13]

I actually get that type of joke and have made it before. I don't know if it's 100% British it's the kind done before on the American version of The Office with Michael Scott and on Arrested Development with GOB which is another US show. It's like when someone is known as being boastful or a self proclaimed overachiever like those characters and Lisa V. Lisa is congnizant enough to know it's her image and was saying it as a wink to the audience. 

[swankie]

16 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Doesn't Erika understand the concept of a "White Party"? I get the feeling that she would not be very happy if someone wore that dress to a white party  she/Tom held. LOL

Erika said that she didn't know it was a White Party.  She said it was pure coincidence that she had on white at all.  She may have been joking, but it didn't sound like it.

[heatherchandler]

21 hours ago, StevieRocks said:

Ugh, there are few things I despise more than a rube: Kyle's daughter clomping around scared to death of everything in NYC was ridiculous...and very sad. No, Vyle, she doesn't seem "smart." She seems like an illiterate, culturally-unaware, socially-unconscious , UNGRATEFUL nitwit like her dingbat mother. What a waste.

You said it!  She was afraid of bugs, heights, food... Give me a break.  Either she was really afraid of everything, or she was pretending to be - either way it is ridiculous.

And I know it is mean, but I still maintain that she clops around like Lurch.  It's my opinion!!! (said in Tamra Barney screech)

 

13 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Ok then.  I'm a liar, have the wrong type of humor, and a simpleton.  Anything else you need to add?  So nice to see that seven of my fellow posters agree with this opinion.

The LVP stans haven't driven me off this thread in a while, but they're coming close.

Don't let them run you off!  I didn't realize there were so many people who like her, honestly.  And I agree with you, I don't think she was making a joke about the walk-on part.  I think Kyle busted her and she played it off.

[Petunia13]

One thing I hate is when people say that. I like Kenya Moore from RH of Atl and 90% of the people or comments crit her and I AGREE or laugh. Also I like Lisa and don't take jokes or knocks on her personally. @RedheadZombie

I remember (cough) criticizing Carole and Bethenny from RH of NY and someone (s) getting very defending ...it should go both ways on this board Amirite? 

[StevieRocks]

9 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

The VanderPump Dog Rescue Center is opening in a few weeks it's a no kill dog shelter. ??

THIS is wonderful news! 

[kokapetl]

What Eileen's therapist really wrote down:

11 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

The VanderPump Dog Rescue Center is opening in a few weeks it's a no kill dog shelter. ??

Where does Lisa get the meat for her tourist trap restaurants? From some magical no kill abattoir?

[Petunia13]

7 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Where does Lisa get the meat for her tourist trap restaurants? From some magical no kill abattoir?

A person doesn't have to be a vegan or own vegan businesses in order to not want animals to suffer or die senselessly. . . That logic makes no sense; applying your assertion indicates if one opposes pollution they should never drive or ride in a car, if they believe in conserving resources never have a child, cancer research thus should only work in that field ever, rape prevention so busting into college parties and clubs personally etc 

she doesn't serve dog meat and cares about dogs and spends her money how she sees fit. Charity is charity if you don't like it. Nothing stops you from doing better. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Petunia13

[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

What Eileen's therapist really wrote down:

Where does Lisa get the meat for her tourist trap restaurants? From some magical no kill abattoir?

Lisa admits to eating and serving the more accepted (Western) forms of  meat, beef/pork/chicken/seafood, she has never claimed to be or own vegan/restaurants.

[kokapetl]

4 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

A person doesn't have to be a vegan or own vegan businesses in order to not want animals to suffer or die senselessly. . . That logic makes no sense; applying your assertion indicates if one opposes pollution they should never drive or ride in a car, if they believe in conserving resources never have a child, cancer research thus should only work in that field ever, rape prevention so busting into college parties and clubs personally etc 

she doesn't serve dog meat and cares about dogs and spends her money how she sees fit. Charity is charity if you don't like it. Nothing stops you from doing better. 

A person who objects to dogs being eaten, when that person also owns several restaurants that serve beef, lamb, chicken etc is a hypocrite. Her chicken isn't organic, they've likely been debeaked. Her beef likely comes from branded cattle. 

[motorcitymom65]

19 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

A person doesn't have to be a vegan or own vegan businesses in order to not want animals to suffer or die senselessly. . . That logic makes no sense; applying your assertion indicates if one opposes pollution they should never drive or ride in a car, if they believe in conserving resources never have a child, cancer research thus should only work in that field ever, rape prevention so busting into college parties and clubs personally etc 

she doesn't serve dog meat and cares about dogs and spends her money how she sees fit. Charity is charity if you don't like it. Nothing stops you from doing better. 

I agree with this. I assume that since LVP loves animals that she is responsibly sourcing her meat products (well, hopefully all her food). I have never heard her discuss this. Does she talk about it on her menus, or list the sourcing of her meat (as say a restaurant like Spago will often do)? 

I think the whole Yulin deal is horrendous, and think it awesome that this is passion of hers. I wonder if her issue is only with the torture, or also with the consumption of dogs? If she has an issue with the consumption she would lose me a little bit. The very idea makes me want to throw up, but people in China consume dogs. Just like others don't want to consume pork for religious or cultural reasons, or others beef for similar reasons, I would have a hard time with someone who does serve meat judging others in a different culture for their own practices. But again, I don't know if it isn't more about the torture. Anyone heard her address this? 

Edited December 28, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[kokapetl]

17 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Lisa admits to eating and serving the more accepted (Western) forms of  meat, beef/pork/chicken/seafood, she has never claimed to be or own vegan/restaurants.

In the East, Western standards don't apply. 

11 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree with this. I assume that since LVP loves animals that she is responsibly sourcing her meat products (well, hopefully all her food). I have never heard her discuss this. Does she talk about it on her menus, or list the sourcing of her meat (as say a restaurant like Spago will often do)? 

I think the whole Yulin deal is horrendous, and think it awesome that this is passion of hers. I wonder if her issue is only with the torture, or also with the consumption of dogs? 

Lisa lists "organic peas" on the SUR menu. That's it. 

They serve veal at Villa Blanca. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Kokapetl

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree with this. I assume that since LVP loves animals that she is responsibly sourcing her meat products (well, hopefully all her food). I have never heard her discuss this. Does she talk about it on her menus, or list the sourcing of her meat (as say a restaurant like Spago will often do)? 

I think the whole Yulin deal is horrendous, and think it awesome that this is passion of hers. I wonder if her issue is only with the torture, or also with the consumption of dogs? If she has an issue with the consumption she would lose me a little bit. The very idea makes me want to throw up, but people in China consume dogs. Just like others don't want to consume pork for religious or cultural reasons, or others beef for similar reasons, I would have a hard time with someone who does serve meat judging others in a different culture for their own practices. But again, I don't know if it isn't more about the torture. Anyone heard her address this? 

She said talked about this last night, it is about the "torture" of the dogs.

6 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

In the East, Western standards don't apply. 

Lisa lists "organic peas" on the SUR menu. That's it. 

She objects to the torturing of the dogs, not just that they eat them. As for her menu's, we don't know that she doesn't order her meat from reliable sources just because she doesn't list it. Many people don't realize that "free range" doesn't mean that the chickens/turkeys run free in the fields/outside. LOL

[kokapetl]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

She said talked about this last night, it is about the "torture" of the dogs.

She objects to the torturing of the dogs, not just that they eat them. As for her menu's, we don't know that she doesn't order her meat from reliable sources just because she doesn't list it. Many people don't realize that "free range" doesn't mean that the chickens/turkeys run free in the fields/outside. LOL

Higher standards of animal welfare cost more, so it's usually noted on menus. If only the peas were described as organic, I'm certain nothing else was extra humane. They don't give poultry anaesthesia when they're debeaked. And the veal industry is a hotbed of cruelty. 

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Higher standards of animal welfare cost more, so it's usually noted on menus. If only the peas were described as organic, I'm certain nothing else was extra humane. They don't give poultry anaesthesia when they're debeaked. And the veal industry is a hotbed of cruelty. 

I live in farm country and I have helped slaughter animals, it doesn't bother me, it doesn't shock me. And, I eat both veal and lamb. Most farmers treat their animals with great care, including when they slaughter them. We don't know if Lisa/Ken get their meat from commercial (horrid places BTW) sources or from smaller farms and most people do not realize there is a difference. Maybe you should tweet her and ask where she sources her meat.

[motorcitymom65]

9 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

She said talked about this last night, it is about the "torture" of the dogs.

She objects to the torturing of the dogs, not just that they eat them. As for her menu's, we don't know that she doesn't order her meat from reliable sources just because she doesn't list it. Many people don't realize that "free range" doesn't mean that the chickens/turkeys run free in the fields/outside. LOL

Agreed, but people that care about animal sourcing know what Free Range means. There are many people who will eat nothing else (I work with these people every day). If the products she serves are sustainably sourced, she would list them, as it would be suicide to not do so. It costs more money, and takes much more time and effort to seek out responsible suppliers. You want to get the benefit from taking this extra step, as it will set you apart from the competition. She does list one chicken item at Sur and another at Villa Blanca as being "free range", but not the other chicken items, so I would assume they are sourcing free range for specific dishes, but not for everything, which isn't unusual in the business, but a little strange for someone who is concerned about animal cruelty. 

[WireWrap]

8 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Agreed, but people that care about animal sourcing know what Free Range means. There are many people who will eat nothing else (I work with these people every day). If the products she serves are sustainably sourced, she would list them, as it would be suicide to not do so. It costs more money, and takes much more time and effort to seek out responsible suppliers. You want to get the benefit from taking this extra step, as it will set you apart from the competition. She does list one chicken item at Sur and another at Villa Blanca as being "free range", but not the other chicken items, so I would assume they are sourcing free range for specific dishes, but not for everything, which isn't unusual in the business, but a little strange for someone who is concerned about animal cruelty. 

Again, I think this would be a great question to tweet her. She could clear it up or if she sees many care about it she could make the switch if needed.

Oh, and "free range" is a large building (a cross between a barn and a warehouse) with thousands of poultry milling about, they are not in cages but they are still packed in tightly. LOL

Edited December 28, 2016 by WireWrap

[ButterQueen]

On 12/20/2016 at 10:33 PM, HunterHunted said:

 

I'd be more inclined to watch Eileen scenes if she hadn't spent all last season boo hooing about LVP. Eileen has had family members dropping like flies for the past 5 or so years, but she's been fixated on LVP's perceived dig about the affair with Vince.

I adored Eileen on Y&R, I cannot stand her now.  I'm not paying her any attention.  She can leave.

[ButterQueen]

On 12/21/2016 at 7:08 AM, EmeraldGirl said:

Ken is looking really old. He shuffled behind the others to dinner, and he did a stupid head shake and cringe all over thing at the mention of no panties. Talk about no sense of humor. How old did he turn? It's always sad when you're in your 20's and marrying a hot 40-50 something. Then suddenly you're still healthy and they're barely following a conversation. 

This makes me sad.  Growing old is a blessing.