S02.E06: Changing

[Humbugged]

8 hours ago, DigitalCount said:

I totally saw that too, and I love how these people keep putting these little things in. Not to get all sappy, but this was kind of a heartwarming moment for me because I once got my dad a birthday card that recreated that moment with the car.

I think they could probably get some mileage by having Kara take down something really tough that everyone else is having trouble with. Have her swoop in and save everyone so that it's clear that Supergirl is in fact still a story about Supergirl. I have faith, because they were able to bring in Clark without having him overshadow her, so it should be easy to let her shine beyond the Martians and the Superfriends. I'm thinking the Alex story is going to cool off for a bit; I can see her shutting down and being totally "work first" for a few episodes. I could also see Supergirl and Guardian becoming somewhat antagonistic, especially if James makes a mistake--which he's almost sure to do if they're writing him correctly.

Heck, just spitballing, but maybe they'll end this season with a total rip-off of Civil War; by this point they certainly have enough minor heroes and redeemable villains to do so.

Winn's van is also an easter egg .It was emblazoned with Star Spangled Deliveries since 1941 and Star Spangled Comics (which started in 1941) #7 from 1942 was when The Guardian was introduced along with the Newsboy Legion

 

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-spangled-comics-7-the-guardian/4000-153047/

[MarkHB]

Just now, Humbugged said:

Winn's van is also an easter egg .It was emblazoned with Star Spangled Deliveries since 1941 and Star Spangled Comics (which started in 1941) #7 from 1942 was when The Guardian was introduced along with the Newsboy Legion

 

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/star-spangled-comics-7-the-guardian/4000-153047/

I caught the Star-Spangled van, but I didn't realize that was the book that introduced the Guardian!  Nice catch!

[Featherhat]

While I welcome having flawed, 3-dimensional characters, I'm not particularly enthused about Supergirl being...kind of consistently bigoted. I get that this was all in the bag long before election night, but it left a bad taste to see Kara shy away from Alex so abruptly and fall so easily into a racist remark about Mon-El. 

I know what you mean but is it bad that I quite *like* that Kara is (at the moment) still slipping into bigoted racial remarks about Mon-El? I mean yes its wrong she does it definitely, but I like that it shows Kara who is generally a caring, thoughtful, selfless person has ingrained prejudices that mean nothing to people on Earth but that she finds hard to shake. Especially when to her mind he is living up to the stereotypes. Their entire civilisations have been destroyed and yet the bad blood takes longer to go away. Sadly not untrue of many communities in this world that have all lost a lot. Meanwhile Earth grown up Clark is going "Kara WTF are you bitchily IMing me about Daxim fratboys?!" 

Between last week with Mon El banging someone on the copier, and all the hesitation this week over saying "I'm gay," I'm not watching this with my 11yo anymore. It's a shame because it used to be a good show to talk about the strengths of women. It treated being gay as something to hide. It may well be an accurate portrayal of coming out, but it's a superhero show, not 30something.

Mon-El banging new assistant on the copier was among my least favourite scenes but it does have parallels with Winn and Siobhan last season but I guess Winn wasn't characterised by it (and other scenes like it) so much Kara possible Love Interests non withstanding.

Can I ask what you would have preferred with Alex's storyline?

Alex: "Hey I like a girl, and it makes sense, guess I must be gay"

Alex: "So Kara, I realised I'm gay, practically since always now I think about it and Maggie has said she'll he U-hauling to my place next weekend, Cool?"

Kara: "Whatever, shall we get some ice cream so I can bitch about that B***dy Daxan some more?"

As much as it is hopefully becoming an increasing non issue to people, it still *is* a big deal to those coming out, especially "later in life" more so than if "they've always known" from when they were kids. She cares what Kara thinks, Kara cares that she didn't know/realise, didn't even consider a lot of what Alex was feeling when they were growing up, whereas neither care who their neighbours are dating as long as they aren't dating evil aliens. For me the Kara/Alex relationship is the core of the show and I'd rather have some (very mild angst and misunderstanding) between them as it leads to an emotional bonding storyline between them, then Kara not giving a damn. She wasn't anti gay just a little shocked and then upset when she realised that a lot of their relationship was 90% her leaning on Alex for support and not equal. I would have liked that to lead into a little of how Kyrptonian relationships functioned; non issue/non applicable/acceptable for House Alliances/Not Appectable for House Alliances but personally tolerated. If they want to unsubtly hint Kara/Mon- El they could have said her parents would have far rather she dated an Earthling (Girl) than a Daxamite.

As for The Guardian. I sort of get it. He's apparently been known as "Hey friend of Superman!" for a long time. Moves to a different city, becomes a mentor to Clark's "baby" cousin who needs him, seems to be smitten and then calls time before the end of their first date. Sucks. I can see why he would want to move more into the "action sphere" after that. But that said. He is putting innocent people, Winn and himself in danger by demanding his "right" to heroic vigilante status with no powers and no Ninja assassin skills. And as others have said more eloquently by demanding to be a hero, he pretty much rules himself out as one.

I get that they needed something for him to do with his LI status fading and Catco way less featured now that CF isn't there and moving Winn to the DEO but is this the best they can up with for MB, he can do a lot more. They're Laurel Lancing him but at least he only took 2 seasons to put on a mask he was unqualified for, they didn't bring in and kill off his more qualified brother first (or would that he Clark? - not that he's dead or should be on the show full time.) Urgh, National City does not need to be swamped with Vigilantes. It has already grown a large alien populace since last season. Can that be enough. Otherwise next season it will probably grow a collection of metahuman speedsters as well/and or time travellers.

[StarBrand]

I have a theory about the Alien Bar, and why it seems all of a sudden they're popping up all over the place.

Last season, the DEO was concerned with all the criminals from Fort Roz-and aliens who were making themselves very public (Kara). But there's probably always been a contingent of aliens that successfully stayed under-the-radar. They kept to themselves, never caused any trouble, acted so human no one suspected them. And when the did reveal themselves, it was only at the alien bar, amongst themselves.  Since these aliens never caused any trouble wherever they went, therefore they , nor the bar, ever got on the DEO's radar.

Best thing I can come up with.

[KirkB]

That's a fair point. Most of the aliens who weren't from Fort Rozz and weren't up to something were staying out of the public eye. Plus in actuality J'onn wasn't looking too hard for any aliens who weren't running down the middle of the street purple or throwing cars. It still makes the DEO, or at least J'onn, look a little foolish for not even being aware of it. National City secretly having an alien subculture and J'onn looking the other way as long as they don't draw attention to themselves is one thing, scaly, fanged things with wings or whatever regularly visiting the same street address and no one from the alien observation organization noticing?

Edited November 18, 2016 by KirkB

[Chris24601]

Even among the aliens who were from Fort Roz, not all of them went back to a life of crime after escaping; the one who became an astronomy professor from the episode with the Master Jailer for example.

In addition to the 'living quietly under the radar instead of making trouble' aspect of the alien bar and patrons, I think something that would help the verisimilitude of it a lot would be if the alien subculture were NOT limited to National City, but could be found in dribs and drabs all over the planet. Like there's an apartment building in Metropolis that caters to aliens with more unusual life support requirements and a YARA (Young Aliens Raoist Association) where the aliens of Earth-S Central City like to gather.

If you said there's about one alien on Earth for every million humans (so 7500 aliens) and there's a few dozen of them living in every major city on Earth who are living below the radar and not making trouble and have been here basically forever (J'onn has been on Earth since the 1700's according the show... Superman is just the first alien to go public), then the ability for one particular bar in one particular city to go unnoticed makes a lot more sense.

[legaleagle53]

3 hours ago, Chris24601 said:

In addition to the 'living quietly under the radar instead of making trouble' aspect of the alien bar and patrons, I think something that would help the verisimilitude of it a lot would be if the alien subculture were NOT limited to National City, but could be found in dribs and drabs all over the planet. Like there's an apartment building in Metropolis that caters to aliens with more unusual life support requirements and a YARA (Young Aliens Raoist Association) where the aliens of Earth-S Central City like to gather.

That's an excellent point.  Just as gay bars have existed nearly everywhere in the world for at least a century as common safe spaces for LGBTQ people to meet and hang out (some less openly so than others), so does it also make sense that Metropolis, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and other cities would have similar under-the-radar safe spaces for their non-threatening alien populations, just as National City has this bar.  We should be seeing more evidence of that.  Maybe if Mon-El gets a centric, he can check out one of those other cities and discover one of those other safe spaces himself.  He'll need it after his ordeal at Cadmus.

[KirkB]

It's not the bars existence I have an issue with. I agree a place like that should probably exist in every major city, because a lot of the aliens aren't hurting anyone and are just trying to get by. It's the fact the DEO, which exists solely for the purpose of monitoring aliens and dealing with the hostile ones, didn't know about it. At least have a line from J'onn saying he knew and steered the DEO's attention away from it.

Edited November 19, 2016 by KirkB

[Chris24601]

Government organizations aren't omniscient though. The DEO monitors for aliens, but its not like they have an alien detector (Lena is only just now inventing those) and go door to door throughout the country testing people.

They have to look for evidence of alien involvement; weird lights in the sky, radiation where there shouldn't be radiation, odd deaths or crimes or other anomalies, tips from local authorities, news reports of flying girls, etc.

If you're an alien who can pass for human via some means available to you and you manage to get here without being detected and then go to work at a bank, pay your taxes and keep to yourself you're just NOT going to show up using the parameters the DEO are searching under.

If the DEO can miss the bulk of Astra and Non's organization of aliens who were actively working to take over the world (they were aware that some of them were more active, but they never found the leadership until Supergirl got involved) I have no problems with them also missing the location of a dive bar that caters to aliens whose only interest is keeping their heads down.

[KirkB]

Yeah, I know I keep bringing it up so it might sound that way, but I'm not really bothered by it. It just stuck out at me (and thus I thought was worth mentioning) how on top of the fact that last season the DEO went on about monitoring aliens and then was blindsided by the fact the Fort Rozz people were actively operating out of the giant alien prison without them noticing, there is a meeting place for a lot of very non-human looking aliens literally right under their nose and they had no idea.

[The Crazed Spruce]

This conversation's kinda taking away from the episode at hand. If you'd be so kind, please move the discussion of how a bar full of aliens could fly under the DEO's radar for so long to this thread.

Thank you kindly. :)

[DropTheSoap]

I'm glad Maggie shot Alex down. I think Chyler Leigh has incredible chemistry w/the other actor. (Can't remember her name; seemed a little wooden initially, but she's settling into char.) 

For the reasons stated--coming out/breakup--it'd be the worst time to start a relationship. (Hot dirty hookup -- best time -- but it's not that kind of show.) I think the two of them will have a relationship, cf., casting and chemistry, but it'll be a slow burn for a bit. 

[Artsda]

Jimmy's attitude to Wynn was really annoying. Jimmy can't die fast enough for me, which Jimmy pointed out again like huge anvils.

[Humbugged]

6 hours ago, DropTheSoap said:

I'm glad Maggie shot Alex down. I think Chyler Leigh has incredible chemistry w/the other actor. (Can't remember her name; seemed a little wooden initially, but she's settling into char.) 

For the reasons stated--coming out/breakup--it'd be the worst time to start a relationship. (Hot dirty hookup -- best time -- but it's not that kind of show.) I think the two of them will have a relationship, cf., casting and chemistry, but it'll be a slow burn for a bit. 

Floriana Lima  who is doing double duty as the dead Miranda Riggs on Lethal Weapon where she appears in flashback

[BkWurm1]

6 hours ago, Humbugged said:

Floriana Lima  who is doing double duty as the dead Miranda Riggs on Lethal Weapon where she appears in flashback

That's why she looked familiar!  

What an odd role to have though.  

[Humbugged]

4 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

That's why she looked familiar!  

What an odd role to have though.  

Brenda Strong who plays Mama L is probably most famous for being dead for the whole of Desperate Housewives

[DropTheSoap]

14 hours ago, Humbugged said:

Floriana Lima  who is doing double duty as the dead Miranda Riggs on Lethal Weapon where she appears in flashback

Thank you. I was a bit lazy as I was writing, and didn't check. 

[Black Knight]

I do think the show will get back to Kara, and sooner rather than later. It's a show that has like 22-24 episodes (I don't know exactly how many the CW ordered), and that's a lot of episodes to fill up. And it's the first season on the new network, so I think the writers feel the need to flesh out the other characters, who aren't the sort of known quantity to any new viewers that Supergirl is, early. We're basically about a fourth of the way through the season now, so I think Kara will come back to the forefront very soon, no later than the crossover extravaganza in a couple weeks.

Of course I have zero complaints about Alex's storyline; as others pointed out, she's the only regular character who didn't get a storyline of her own last season and she was long overdue, especially given CL's talent. I do wish the Jimmy plotline were better, but I don't really see this Guardian shtick lasting anyway. It will blow up in his face (and Winn's). As for Mon-El, he kind of makes me laugh, I did like what he said to Kara because there's truth there and it keeps Kara from being OTT perfect, and I also like Kara finding out what it's like to be shepherding a newbie alien. I thought it was very appropriate that Alex, who has experience in that, is the one who got through to Mon-El in this episode.

Ah, Alex. I have to admit, Maggie gives me a little pause. I'm sure she's not a sociopath like the ex-girlfriend said, but again, there's some truth there: Maggie is kind of insensitive. She knew Alex was into her, that's how she clocked that Alex is gay in the first place. It's one thing not to know, only realize once the other person makes a move and then friend-zone them - like happened with Kara and Winn in S1 - but it's another to know but still wait to let the other person know they're in the friend-zone until the other person makes a big move. That's just guaranteeing maximum embarrassment and pain for the other person that could have been easily avoided. Alex would have been a lot less hurt if Maggie had turned off the flirty smiles and given her the "we're just going to be friends" speech much sooner. And then Maggie expected Alex to stick around the bar in the immediate wake of that rejection? Let the woman go lick her wounds. Yeah, Maggie is kind of insensitive.

Which sets up a fun dynamic because I agree with the poster upthread who said that Supergirl will likely turn cold to Maggie. (And it'd be interesting if that was how Maggie ultimately realizes Alex's sister Kara and Supergirl are the same, if Supergirl's being cold to her and then she meets Kara and Kara acts similarly cold.) Kara's an emotional person; she's not the type to have a rational response to Maggie breaking her adored sister's heart. She probably hasn't seen Alex cry like that since her dad died. I wouldn't be surprised if it ultimately takes Maggie longer to win Kara/Supergirl over than Alex, once Maggie inevitably decides that she wants to be with Alex after all. But I like the slow burn their relationship is going to take, and I suspect Alex is going to date another woman for a little bit. Maybe her high school best friend, since the show made sure to give us her name. I could see Alex looking Vicki up just to explain what happened back then, or maybe Kara gets the well-meaning but ill-conceived idea of trying to cure her sister's heartbreak by bringing in the one other woman she knows her sister was ever interested in.

(And, while Maggie didn't actually say she's not interested in Alex, I do like that that's the message Alex took from the rejection. Because that's how people get into trouble, by trying to read things into a no. Just let the no be an unqualified no. Because while Maggie didn't actually say she's not interested, that just as easily could have been her trying to let Alex down easy, as it's not fun to hear "I'm just not interested in or attracted to you." Mind you, given Maggie's established insensitivity, I doubt that's actually what she was trying to do there, but it is what a lot of people do because they are trying to be kind, and I have seen their rejectees consequently hang onto hope where there really is none. Just take the no. Alex is doing that, and it will let her move on instead of embarrassing herself further. It's on Maggie now to make any move.)

All the Kara/Alex scenes were so well-done. I didn't think the first scene was out of character for Kara; it's more that she was confronted by something entirely new to her experience and she had no idea how to react. She's not used to Alex looking for approval/reassurance from her; their dynamic is the opposite of that, so she didn't understand that Alex was actually worried about how Kara would feel about her. She was disappointed, which Alex picked up on, but she was disappointed in herself, not Alex. Hearing that this goes all the way back to high school hit Kara hard. So all her questions were kind of Kara's belated way of trying to make up in one conversation for her failure all these years to have given Alex room to talk about herself. But again, that's not really what Alex wanted out of that conversation; what she wanted really was a hug, and all Kara's questioning consequently came off as kind of...cold? It was a very believable set of dual misunderstandings. Kara thought Alex wanted help figuring things out, and took for granted that Alex knew she'd be okay with Alex being gay; Alex, who is not really a talker, didn't really want help figuring things out, she just wanted to know her sister was okay with her being gay. But she was too afraid to just ask that straight out because the whole thing was already so hard for her.

And then Alex said she didn't want to talk about it anymore, and of course that made Kara unintentionally be weird with her - because Kara still wanted to talk about it, and it always makes for an awkward vibe when there's a big elephant in the room that you want to talk about and the other person doesn't. But once Alex spelled out, in their second conversation, that her fear was that Kara was disappointed in her, Kara was excellent from that point on, because they were finally on the same page about what Alex actually needed and what Kara actually felt.

And of course the third scene was perfectly heartbreaking and heartbreakingly perfect. I especially liked the bit where they had their heads touching and Kara told Alex she was proud of her, Alex shook her head no and Kara felt that and nodded her own head yes, which Alex could feel. The Danvers sisters are the true OTP of the show. Always have been, always will be.

[stealinghome]

24 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

But I like the slow burn their relationship is going to take, and I suspect Alex is going to date another woman for a little bit....

And of course the third scene was perfectly heartbreaking and heartbreakingly perfect. I especially liked the bit where they had their heads touching and Kara told Alex she was proud of her, Alex shook her head no and Kara felt that and nodded her own head yes, which Alex could feel. The Danvers sisters are the true OTP of the show. Always have been, always will be.

This won't ever happen, but my left arm for that "another woman" Alex dates to be Lena Luthor. Can you imagine how much Kara's head would explode??? But yeah, I agree we'll probably see Alex dating a couple women, or at least hear about Alex dating a couple women, before Maggie decides to pursue Alex.

Danvers sisters 5ever.

[Cranberry]

You can add my left arm to the offering, because a super's sibling dating a Luthor would create almost as much tension and intrigue as a super dating a Luthor. That would be a lot of fun.

I really like Maggie, though, so I'm rooting for those two crazy kids to work it out.

And yeah, the Danvers sisters are unquestionably the best pairing on this show.

[yellowfred]

2 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Ah, Alex. I have to admit, Maggie gives me a little pause. I'm sure she's not a sociopath like the ex-girlfriend said, but again, there's some truth there: Maggie is kind of insensitive. She knew Alex was into her, that's how she clocked that Alex is gay in the first place. It's one thing not to know, only realize once the other person makes a move and then friend-zone them - like happened with Kara and Winn in S1 - but it's another to know but still wait to let the other person know they're in the friend-zone until the other person makes a big move. That's just guaranteeing maximum embarrassment and pain for the other person that could have been easily avoided. Alex would have been a lot less hurt if Maggie had turned off the flirty smiles and given her the "we're just going to be friends" speech much sooner. And then Maggie expected Alex to stick around the bar in the immediate wake of that rejection? Let the woman go lick her wounds. Yeah, Maggie is kind of insensitive.

While I do largely agree with you, I think that Maggie may have been a bit thrown off by how quickly Alex made her move.  Like, I wouldn't be surprised if she was planning to have some version of that talk over drinks if Alex hadn't kissed her.  I actually feel like, if she'd said all that sooner, it would have been making Alex's coming out more about her (Maggie) than about Alex.  I definitely think she should have tried to be more aware of the signals she was sending Alex, particularly knowing that Alex was at least interested her (which she definitely knew, though I get the impression that Maggie underestimated how interested Alex was), but I read her more as trying to be supportive/encouraging than being flirty.  

[BkWurm1]

I don't think Alex is Lena's type though, lol.  Between Winn and Kara, I'd say she likes the slightly goofy nerds.  

[Sakura12]

Can Captain Sara from LoT hop on over to Earth Supergirl and date Alex for a bit? Sara has experience helping closeted lesbians come out of their shell, then leaving while still keeping the girl in a good place emotionally.  Sara seems like she'd be Alex's type. 

Edited November 21, 2016 by Sakura12

[KirkB]

Wow. That's a mental image. Can you imagine what kind of a power couple Alex and Sara would be?

Edited November 21, 2016 by KirkB

[Sakura12]

15 minutes ago, KirkB said:

Wow. That's a mental image. Can you imagine what kind of a power couple Alex and Sara would be?

They would probably make Maggie realize that she made a mistake if she saw Alex and Sara together. I think Alex would fall for tiny and tough Sara. I actually think Sara would be more helpful than Maggie has been. Maggie's been supportive from a distance. But it could work since Sara can't stay and Alex would've experienced a flirtation with another woman and probably realize she still likes Maggie. 

[KirkB]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

They would probably make Maggie realize that she made a mistake if she saw Alex and Sara together. I think Alex would fall for tiny and tough Sara. I actually think Sara would be more helpful than Maggie has been. Maggie's been supportive from a distance. But it could work since Sara can't stay and Alex would've experienced a flirtation with another woman and probably realize she still likes Maggie. 

I agree, but unfortunately I get the impression Alex won't be a part of the crossover. She's probably going to stay behind with J'onn to protect National City while Kara is gone.

12 hours ago, yellowfred said:

While I do largely agree with you, I think that Maggie may have been a bit thrown off by how quickly Alex made her move.  Like, I wouldn't be surprised if she was planning to have some version of that talk over drinks if Alex hadn't kissed her.  I actually feel like, if she'd said all that sooner, it would have been making Alex's coming out more about her (Maggie) than about Alex.  I definitely think she should have tried to be more aware of the signals she was sending Alex, particularly knowing that Alex was at least interested her (which she definitely knew, though I get the impression that Maggie underestimated how interested Alex was), but I read her more as trying to be supportive/encouraging than being flirty.  

I don't think Maggie was being deliberately flirty either. She seemed surprised in their earlier conversation, when she said "I didn't know you were into girls" which leads me to suspect she didn't realize Alex was becoming interested in her. By the time she did she may have seen it was too late to let her down easy so she tried to stop it before Alex would be too hurt. I think she knew that was going to cause Alex some discomfort but there wasn't much else she could do at that point.

[Black Knight]

1 hour ago, KirkB said:

I don't think Maggie was being deliberately flirty either. She seemed surprised in their earlier conversation, when she said "I didn't know you were into girls" which leads me to suspect she didn't realize Alex was becoming interested in her. By the time she did she may have seen it was too late to let her down easy so she tried to stop it before Alex would be too hurt. I think she knew that was going to cause Alex some discomfort but there wasn't much else she could do at that point.

I agree Maggie didn't know until the "I didn't know you were into girls" conversation, when Alex was making an adorable fool out of herself, but at that point she knew, and there was time between then and when Alex kissed Maggie for Maggie to mention that she's just going to be there for Alex as a friend. She's not dumb - Alex realized she was gay because of her interest in Maggie, and when it happens that way, it's not at all surprising when the newly self-realized gay is interested in following up on that attraction. Maggie did continue the flirty smiles and failed to say anything although she had opportunities (if nothing else, if she didn't want to make it about Alex specifically then drop a line about not being interested in dating anybody) and she knew that Alex knew that Maggie knew she was interested. She could have handled it better. Really, I think more than anything Maggie just liked knowing that Alex was into her, after her ego took a huge hit when her girlfriend dumped her, and was content to let the crush continue for as long as Alex didn't take it further. It's human and understandable, not entirely nice but she's not an asshole either, because she did slam on the brakes at that point instead of first having some fun and then ditching Alex.

I like them together and am rooting for them, don't get me wrong. But I don't hate that the dynamic has shifted and put the two women on more equal footing for a future relationship.

stealinghome's idea of Lena as an interim interest until Maggie comes to her senses is fun because Kara's reaction would assuredly be hilarious. Alex isn't that outside Lena's "slightly goofy nerd" type - unlike Kara, she's into science, and would understand Lena's tech talk. And she can get kind of adorably flustered when outside her comfort zone.  On Alex's end, she likes "smart" and "tough" women, which fits Lena. And both women are hot. I'd say there's enough there for a fling, with Kara flitting around the periphery kinda worried about the Luthor thing in general and Lena's established recklessness in specific. I want overprotective little sister Kara. Heh. (And it'd open the door to Alex seeing a picture of Lena's mother, or encountering Lena's mother, kicking that into overdrive.)

[KirkB]

That's a good point. Maggie may have recognized Alex was going through but it was that conversation that made her realize it was because of her. But it was also around the same time she and her girlfriend broke up, so she was probably distracted and yes, I'm sure someone be attracted to her probably felt good right then so she let it go longer than she should have. Alex kissing her made her realize "I better stop this because neither of us is the right place for this right now." It's just unfortunate for Alex that she took it as a flat out rejection, "Maggie doesn't like me, like that." when Maggie never actually said that. I mean, I don't know if she does or not but it was the wrong (though understandable) thing to take away.

Alex flirting with Lena, or vice versa, would be a lot of fun. I'd be curious to see who'd have the bigger reaction, Kara or Maggie.

Edited November 21, 2016 by KirkB

[AudienceofOne]

I won't repeat why this plot line, however well acted, is annoying me because I've made that very clear. Women are not all bi and I am tired of shows pretending that they are.

Having said that, I found the resolution of this plotline very emotionally satisfying. The idea of overthrowing your life only to find out that you're doing it alone (even if you're not alone) is at least interesting and unexpected. I haven't seen that in shows like this before. They surprised me and I'm grateful for that.

Apart from that, I really enjoyed the first two episodes of this season but I'm with everybody else regarding these last few episodes. I don't really care. I kind of lasted this long because Melissa Benoist is a very appealing actor. But we're back to Season 1 'plot by stupid' and 'Supergirl gets defeated because of reasons' and that was the reason the first season was lost on me.

The idea the DEO would take a researcher possibly exposed to a frozen pathogen back to the States at all before the end of quarantine was ridiculous, let alone letting him walk out of a secure facility before completing an investigation. Arctic research is extremely important but the fate of the planet was hardly hinging on what this single researcher could do in 24 hours. 

As usual, this show keeps trying to deal with the 'big issues' like gender, sexuality, race relations and climate science but does it in such a sophomoric way that weirdly it ends up achieving the exact opposite. Like how their first season somehow ended up being incredibly sexist. Or their introduction of  lesbian character re-enforced the 'women are all bi' straight male fantasy. 

Everything the researcher said in this about climate science is true. So what do they do? They portray him as an insane vigilante for the planet. Thanks, Supergirl. Exxon should put you on retainer. You did more to discredit science and scientists in this than the Heartland Institute could do in a year. 

[Cranberry]

3 hours ago, AudienceofOne said:

I won't repeat why this plot line, however well acted, is annoying me because I've made that very clear. Women are not all bi and I am tired of shows pretending that they are.

Why do you get the impression that they're writing Alex as bi? She said she never liked being intimate with men; she thought she didn't enjoy sex in general. That doesn't sound bisexual to me.

[PatternRec]

8 hours ago, Cranberry said:

Why do you get the impression that they're writing Alex as bi? She said she never liked being intimate with men; she thought she didn't enjoy sex in general. That doesn't sound bisexual to me.

Agreed. Alex didn't seem like she was written as bi. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

I'm behind, but just caught up.

First, I didn't see Kara stepping away from Alex at the DEO after her bout with Parasite as her not being fine or uncomfortable with Alex being gay. She wanted to talk about it more, but Alex is the one who walked away and said she didn't want to talk about it. 

I thought the scenes were really well done.

As for Jimmy. Talk about being self centered and jealous because he doesn't have powers. Oh boo-hoo and waa waa; cry me a Fucking river.  So ever since he learned that Clark was Supes, he suddenly wanted to have powers too? Both he and Flash's Wally need to take several seats. It is possible to help people without being a super powered being. I'm so sick and tired of all the whining.

And I'm supposed to believe that Kara couldn't recognize Jimmy's voice? It may have been modulated, but it still sounded like him.

[KirkB]

21 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I'm supposed to believe that Kara couldn't recognize Jimmy's voice? It may have been modulated, but it still sounded like him.

That, and she spent so much time staring into Jimmy's eyes last season you're telling me she couldn't recognize them through the big eye slit in the helmet?

[stealinghome]

35 minutes ago, KirkB said:

That, and she spent so much time staring into Jimmy's eyes last season you're telling me she couldn't recognize them through the big eye slit in the helmet?

HA! This made me guffaw. So true!

if they stretch out Kara not knowing much past her return from the crossover, I will call shenanigans.

[Chicago Redshirt]

On 11/14/2016 at 9:22 PM, Lady Calypso said:

Basically, James would be nothing without Winn. Winn's the real hero for keeping James in check, protecting him from himself, and giving him enough in his suit to have him not be useless in a fight with other aliens. James' BS about wanting to be a hero since Clark Kent does NOT fit with what we've seen on show with him. He's never participated in a fight and he's never been involved in anything that alien in season 1. It just felt fake and forced coming from him. His whole presence on the show brings it down.

Jimmy used himself as bait to get Reactron away from Supergirl and there were probably other things he did that could be classified as heroic. But unpowered, unequipped James was obviously no match for the Kryptonians and most of the other aliens that were around in S1.

I think it is safe to assume that in the 10 years prior to the show starting, Jimmy also got himself into similar scrapes while being Superman's pal and acquited himself well.

On 11/14/2016 at 9:50 PM, Sakura12 said:

Before James was boring, now his cape envy is making him annoying. And I don't care at all. This is supposed to be Supergirl's show. I'm not here to see her get defeated then have two male heroes suddenly be heroic. The opposite would never happen on a Superman show. 

I don't know about the gender issue, but Smallville Clark would routinely get lectured for failing to be heroic by Green Arrow and pretty much every superhero guest star. He also got rescued multiple times by pretty much every character on the show. 

On Flash and Arrow, both of the male stars have gotten their butts kicked routinely to get rescued by their respective teammates. It's part of the business.

[Lazlo]

I really like this show but I agree with some of the criticism: it is ridiculously preachy at times (and I say that as someone who is worried about climate change) and I do think Kara has been neglected too much in the heavy emotional arcs. I like Alex and CL handles the material well, but I do think her show stealing owes more to having the meatiest storyline than any significant talent gap in the cast.

I have to admit I never bought Lena as gay (yes she flirts with Kara but Katie McGrath did that with everyone on Merlin) but you guys have sort of convinced me we are heading for a Lena/Alex hookup after all, what with the Maggie swerve.

As for James and his cape envy, I don't know whether we are intended to find his as unsympathetic as I do now, but I suspect it won't end well even in-universe.

[John Potts]

I thought the point of training with Alex in the Kryptonite soaked room was so she would learn how to fight more intelligently. So why when fighting an alien with life sucking powers did she (and John) do the exact same thing twice? Getting hit by its life sucking power was acceptable the first time, if a little reckless, as she may have believed she was immune. But the second time she did exactly the same thing. Fly out of range and Eyejaculate at him! OK, he might absorb the energy and power up, but that's better than getting whammied as well (though good use of the Plutonium orbs there in the end).

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BooBear  He is an adult... it is his life as long as he isn't committing crimes. She has become an unbearable harpy on this

 

Pretty sure being a mob thug is illegal, even when you're beating up aliens.

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bmoore4026 Remember, kids, if you pollute, a huge purple life sucking moonstah will hunt you down and kill you dead.

 

Supergirl - keeping it real!

Edited December 4, 2016 by John Potts

[questionfear]

On 11/19/2016 at 5:31 PM, Artsda said:

Jimmy's attitude to Wynn was really annoying. Jimmy can't die fast enough for me, which Jimmy pointed out again like huge anvils.

Seriously, I just caught up to this episode last night, and I am pretty sure there's an anvil-shaped bruise on my head from where it dropped while James was talking about paying the price for his suit.