S07.E15: Nama'Stay Away from Me

[Spiderella2]

On October 23, 2016 at 10:44 PM, queenjen said:

I felt the same thing. Especially as I'm watching RHOAuckland and their season was only TEN episodes, with no warning until the week before that it was the finale. Don't even know if there'll be a reunion. It definitely had more drama than this season of NJ. I think they absolutely should make a show with just the Gorgas and the Giudices. And recast this show. It isn't working.

Was that the worst yoga class ever? Teresa may know the poses, but Ive been to many many yoga classes for years and done yoga in places like Bali with incredible practitioners and all this was was a series of poses. I wouldn't do a class with Teresa. I saw her walk through the group once, but all she did was touch someone on the butt. I know this was just an event at the gym, but yoga IS an amazing practice, but it can be dangerous if not done correctly. Teresa is too ignorant to cover those kind of bases. 

Also, I know Gia is paid to be on this show. I understand and can give Gia a pass for being over her mother (I certainly am). I noticed Gia was absent from the 'touching' bed/prayer scene from last week also. But the girl I see the least of is Gabriella. I think Milania will be a strong woman, maybe even a strong gay woman, it's a feeling I get from her that I can't put my finger on. I love Milania, I think she's wired differently and I think she may be the one that will handle this childhood better than many RH kids. I hope so, I've always rooted for her, she does her own thing.

I remember reading or hearing Teresa once say that Gabriella is an introvert, very shy, and doesn't always like to be on camera. She does appear on occasion, usually in the background, or when the whole fam is together. You can tell it's not her comfort zone like Gia & Milania. I give the Giudice's credit for not forcing her to film all the time. This often happens in reality shows. In the Ozbourne's with Ozzy Osbourne and family, his older daughter refused to film and moved in with her mother to avoid being on the show. 

On October 24, 2016 at 10:23 AM, archer1267 said:

I'm still having trouble figuring out what happened between Dolores and Jacqueline to cause the falling-out. If I understood correctly, Jacq was pissed that Dolores had printed fliers about Ladies' Night at the gym and hadn't mentioned her on the flier? And Dolores' well-meant "I"m thinking of you and hope you're okay" voicemail was...Dolores deliberately trying to make/look Jacq feel bad?

Um...why should she be on the flier? Teresa was mentioned because she was giving a yoga class and I guess Siggy's contribution was that half-baked spiel she gave to the women as they awaited their (nasty-sounding) protein shake martinis. I've got to wonder if there's more to it than that...is there? If not, Jacq's anger makes no sense and she really has lost it. 

Whacko Jacko finds a way to make an event that isn't even about her all about her. Why would she think Dolores would go to such an extent to set her up? She was the one who decided not to attend. Which is all well and good, but this is a business event. The show must go on. Did she expect D to cancel the event, come over to her house and bring her soup? Or is she pissed that Tre got cross-promoted on the flyer for an event that Jac helped conceptualize? I thought it was nice for D to call her during her busy event to check on her. Then Jac sends passive aggressive texts to DELORES, spreads gossip around town (prolly to Kim D), and ignores Dolores's mature attempts to effectively communicate. All so she can play victim again. I'm glad that Dolores stood up for herself. Hopefully she doesn't cave when Jac rages on her ass.  Now Jac is down to only one friend, a fellow narcissist, Siggy. 

On October 24, 2016 at 0:41 PM, zulualpha said:

I think the relationships between Kathy, Rosie, Juicy and Teresa are strained because of the trash talk Kathy and Rosie aimed at Teresa at the reunion and not offering to help out with Juicy and the kids while Teresa was in prison.  These people made their own beds imo.  As far as Jac is concerned Teresa offered an olive branch, welcomed and hugged Jac when Jac came to visit at her home, and accepted an invitation to Jac's house for dinner where Jac went off the rails with the insults once again. Jac has nobody to blame for her fractured relationship with the Guidices and Gorgas but herself .  These women could have just said to Melissa and Teresa, "glad you've mended the family relationship, it's better for everyone, parents, kids, husbands, wives" and moved on but guess not.  They're bitter and resentful and it's not a good look.

Jacqueline is selling that t shirt she was wearing on her twitter.  I can't believe she has 900k + followers, although that's probably why Andy has her on the show.  He's all about the social media.

Jac is one desperate heifer. Ashlee Cafe-pressed those Namastay tshirts? And now she wants us to buy it? Hope she got that trademarked...bloop, probably not. She keeps trying to launch all these 'businesses' and failed ventures and keeps failing miserably. How many products and goods has she hawked to us in the last 8 years? Can anyone name one item of Jac's that was remotely successful? She is so desperate for the big score that she will endorse anything, without even a basic understanding of her brand and customer base. Maybe this is one of the reasons she is so angry at Tre. Teresa went to prison, is now an ex-inmate with hubby in prison, who is still hustling hard, making money, and is doing well all things considered. Her prison memoir became a bestseller, she is booked for events and appearances, she has a buff body, and healthy kids.

Jac wanted to see Tre fall down into the pits of despair, depression and suffering, while she had a front row seat eating little kernel popcorn. Remember, RHONJ was originally conceived to feature the Manzo family, with Jac & Caroline as the stars. S1, Jac was not in competition with Tre because Teresa was supposed to be the quirky side-kick, an airhead and the comic relief. It must chafe her ass raw that Tre rose to such heights and has so many fans. And even with the whole bankruptcy deal, prison and all her issues, Jac thought it would be the hard permanent fall from grace, but Tre is still more 'successful' than her. Jac loves to feel superior to Tre to reinstate the balance of their old friendship. That's why she was so quick when angered to call Tre a convict in Vermont. "You may think you are the shit, with your soldiers ganging up on me but you are nothing more than a convict."  No matter what falls from those fat duck-lips, Jac is in competition with Tre and she will always feel that way.

I don't think she loves Tre as much as she obsesses over Teresa. She analyzes to the minutest detail everything Teresa does. Remember the NY Eve call that was analyzed to death? And how many debriefs did she have with everyone as to why Tre hasn't reached out post-prison or called since they last talked, or sent her that text. Then she just randomly shows up at her door to bury the hatchet. I have never seen such a overly-focused u healthy obsession. Chris keeps making excuses for his wife, enabling her delusions, but he never tells her she is out of line.  I cracked up with Joe Gorga called him out about the wives freaking in Vermont. Joe was like, "apology? Fighting? They were all out of line.  Leave that to the women. We are men...!" Ha. For all his Neanderthalic ways, Gorga saved this episode. 

Now on top of that, Tre has for the most part reunited with the Gorgas, and Melissa and Tre are now closer than ever. Another lemon that has turned into lemonade. She was trying to bring up strippergate just to throw a dagger in the newly minted sister in laws, and under normal circumstances, it might have worked. But Melissa & Tre are both seeing the value of family and are trying to make it work...clean slate, fresh start. Another concept that the grudge-keeper wine troll does not understand.

I was surprised in Episode 3/4that Tre decided to forgive Jac and let bygones be bygones. Jac said the same thing but as soon as she got mad, she brings back all the old dirt and throws it in her friends' faces. This is probably why she has no close female friends. She is the Worst friend ever. 

14 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

You can also refuse to engage in a tired old issue in public with an unhinged woman who is grasping at whatever dirt she thinks will bolster her tenuous position--and because she's Jacqueline, she doesn't understand that if you want to "move on" as they say, you cannot just keep bringing up old infractions every time something doesn't go your way. Lying or not about "strippergate" or nose jobs, there's something to be said for recognizing appropriate time and place, not to mention being a tactful, well-behaved grownup (though I do enjoy when they are all being terrible). It would have been monumentally dumb for Melissa to even follow Jacqueline down that road if her goal is to move forward into some harmony with her sister-in-law after years of acrimony, and especially if she no longer even gives a fuck about those things.  

Like I wondered earlier, what does she even want? If everyone were to stand up and say "I did this Bad Thing when I used to be mad at Teresa," what exactly does that get Jacqueline?

Can we really accurately judge the crappiness of Teresa's yoga class? I mean, it was clearly edited down and choppy; no class is two minutes long, including random relationship speeches and smoothies in martini glasses.

See previous. Teresa did say that she is in the process of getting her yoga certification at the beginning of the class. I don't think it was meant to be a hardcore class, more like a beginners level intro class to show some of the benefits offered to members at the gym.  Dolores will probably have real yoga teachers and gym fitness instructors for their normal classes. This was more like a one night only club appearance. I theth she did an okay job even though she was extremely nervous. I like that Tre is looking to have multiple streams of income. Stay on that grind. 

11 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

I don't think that was the right venue for a speech about dealing with a special needs child because it didn't apply to most - if any - of the participants. 

I concur. However, if Jac was a smarter person, she could have chosen a topic more along the lines of, "Taking care of you so you can take care of your family", "managing stress and the hurdles life throws your way," or Mommy needs some Me Time. It doesn't have to be centered solely on Nicolas, more like lifestyle and health improvement choices. Although now that I thnk about it, Jac shouldn't be teaching anyone anything, except how to open a bottle of Merlot, taking it from 10 to 1,000 in 3 seconds flat, breaking girl code, blame shifting and pity parties 101.

She needs therapy. Lots of lots of therapy. More than what Chris and her alcohol is currently providing.

[movingtargetgal]

6 hours ago, Marigold said:

Richie's comment was so gross that I didn't really even think I understood it correctly.

Did Richie say he wanted to have sex with his wife, his sister in law and his sister in law's girlfriend?

Yep Marigold you understood him perfectly.  Richie went there multiple times, incest and all.  I think sometimes when a decent person hears a pervert say something so gross it is their instinct to think that they misheard what the perv said.  Don't feel bad about not "getting it" the first time.  I rewinded a few times after I heard it.  I'm sure a lot of viewers had the same reaction.  Why is Bravo still putting this pervert on air?    

[Kellyee]

Jacqueline just needs to take a step back and wait a year or two. Teresa and Melissa will be back at each other's throats, and Melissa will be running back to Jacqueline to complain. Jacqueline's biggest mistake was going psycho, instead of simply removing herself from the entire situation. Yes, Melissa has done a ridiculous 180, but I'm sure Jacqueline could find some other friends. And Jacqueline needs to accept that she and Teresa cannot be friends because she cannot adequately kiss Teresa's ass. I would have lost Teresa's phone number a long time ago.

[queenjen]

Chris Laurita is not the person to school Jac. Look at who his sisters are. His normal is Caroline and Dina. 

As for the Big Skeevy (Richie Wakile), he is one of those feral pervs that labours under the misconception that because people aren't falling about in hilarity at his 'jokes' and comments, they simply mustn't have heard him. So he repeats himself. He reminds me of Kelly Mega Dudd from OC. He's going to push it too far one time and Rosie is going to deck him. She has every right to, especially if he costs her her new relationship. I cannot believe that Kathy produced spawn with this creep. It says a lot about Kathy.

[FamilyVan]

Put it this way, if Kathy had a BROTHER, and he brought his pretty girlfriend home, would Richie being saying let's have a foursome?  No!  Because there would be another man involved (gasp). But it's a funny hilarious joke because the people he's talking about are **lesbians**!!  What a tool.

Edited October 26, 2016 by FamilyVan

[jaync]

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Tre asked Milania to put the phone down and Melania ignored her so Melissa, who was seated next to her, took it away to help Tre.

I know, and that shit wouldn't have flushed prior to this season, even if Melissa's intent to help was exactly the same.

I saw where Teresa hung out with Danielle recently. If Danielle returns to the show, it will be interesting to see if she'll automatically be embraced by those who previously hated/disliked her, because it's not as if she'll be a different person (just as Melissa is the same person, but no longer a target of Teresa's).

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 10/24/2016 at 1:22 AM, queenjen said:

 

All that said. Caring for a child with autism is a fulltime job. We've just had a really sad event in Australia where a father gassed the mother and their 2 autistic children and the family dog, presumably with the mother's consent. It's fulltime, it's draining and it's lifelong. I have real doubts that Jaq has the character to step up to this task. If Caroline was all about fambly as she bellows constantly, there'd be a rota to assist the Lauritas. Maybe the years caring for Nicholas are telling, I do have some sympathy for Jaq in this respect, when Nick was diagnosed, her life changed forever. 

Caring for a special needs child is one of the biggest stressors in the world, I too think this contributes to Jax problems on the show. The best thing Chris could do would be to downsize, get a real job in the city making low 6 figures, and get Jax off TV. It would be better for  Jax and ultimately Nicholas who should be their first priority along with their other children. Not the almighty dollar.  

 Jax is UNHINGED. And Chris is backing that shit up because they need the money. 

[Feline Queen]

16 hours ago, happykitteh said:

Tre asked Milania to put the phone down and Melania ignored her so Melissa, who was seated next to her, took it away to help Tre. Caro and Jac were not helping, they were being their usual bitchy selves and picking on a child because they don't like her mother. Big difference, IMO.

If I had a product I was trying to sell, like Tre with her books, and I had a tv platform to show it off, albeit subtly in the background, you bet your ass I'd do it! Anyone would be a fool not to take advantage of that platform.

That's exactly what Caroline and Jac were doing in that situation. 

The queen of schilling her crappy products is Bethenny Frankel. She manages to get her Skinny Girl stuff in just about every scene - even if it's at someone else's house or event.  

[movingtargetgal]

5 hours ago, queenjen said:

As for the Big Skeevy (Richie Wakile), he is one of those feral pervs that labours under the misconception that because people aren't falling about in hilarity at his 'jokes' and comments, they simply mustn't have heard him. So he repeats himself. He reminds me of Kelly Mega Dudd from OC. He's going to push it too far one time and Rosie is going to deck him. She has every right to, especially if he costs her her new relationship. I cannot believe that Kathy produced spawn with this creep. It says a lot about Kathy.

I would pay good money to have a ringside seat when it happens.  The perv has had it coming for years.

[jaync]

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The best thing Chris could do would be to downsize, get a real job in the city making low 6 figures, and get Jax off TV.

Couldn't the same be said about Teresa, though? If she can choose to famewhore/humiliate herself and her girls for a Bravo check, then I don't see why the Lauritas shouldn't be able to do the same.

[ghoulina]

21 hours ago, jaync said:

Adding to/correcting my previous post: maybe a better analogy would've been to compare Melissa's snatching of the phone to Caroline and Jac "disciplining" Gia at the game day.

I wouldn't compare the two. For several reasons. Mel is family. Caroline and Jac are not. Melissa took a phone, it was over in 3 seconds. She was not teasing or shaming Milania in any way. Also, Tre was RIGHT there. In the other situation, Gia's mother was not around and Gia wanted her mother and/or to be left alone. I don't even see them as remotely in the same ballpark. 

[ghoulina]

6 hours ago, FamilyVan said:

 

Put it this way, if Kathy had a BROTHER, and he brought his pretty girlfriend home, would Richie being saying let's have a foursome?  No!  Because there would be another man involved (gasp). But it's a funny hilarious joke because the people he's talking about are **lesbians**!!  What a tool.

 

Yes. As I said before, Richie doesn't really want a foursome. He does not want to have sex with Rosie. He probably doesn't even want to have sex with Kathy. He really just wants a cover for banging Rosie's girlfriend. He's deplorable. 

[happykitteh]

1 hour ago, jaync said:

Couldn't the same be said about Teresa, though? If she can choose to famewhore/humiliate herself and her girls for a Bravo check, then I don't see why the Lauritas shouldn't be able to do the same.

Tre doesn't have serious genuine mental illness, Jac does. Tre doesn't have a special needs child, Jac does.  I hate Jac but it sickens me that Chris puts the Bravo paycheck over getting her help (I think she needs to be institutionalized for a time to get some intense therapy) because he thinks he's to good to do the 9-5 thing.

[Juliegirlj]

I agree with everyone that has the opinion that Jaq is mentally unbalanced. Chris is so desperate to keep that Bravo check coming in that he doesn't care that being on the show is not healthy for Jaq. Also agree that he should quit with the get rich quick attempts and get reliable, traditional employment ( maybe Al would let him work at the restaurant) !! 

Jaq isn't likeable, compelling or interesting at all- especially if she got treatment for her mental health disorders. Whether you like, love, or detest Teresa, it's hard to deny that she has a big personality, and has always been a ratings boon for the show. 

[jaync]

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 Tre doesn't have serious genuine mental illness, Jac does.

That's not a fact, just opinion. Sure, Jac acts like a fucking loon sometimes, but she's certainly not the first HW to do so, nor will she be the last. She could be perimenopausal for all any of us know.

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Tre doesn't have a special needs child, Jac does.

Yes, but I doubt the time devoted to Nick surpasses that of Teresa's four children, who arguably have their own special needs because of the shitty situation their parents dealt them.

[archer1267]

41 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Yes. As I said before, Richie doesn't really want a foursome. He does not want to have sex with Rosie. He probably doesn't even want to have sex with Kathy. He really just wants a cover for banging Rosie's girlfriend. He's deplorable. 

As if the girlfriend would even look at him twice. If I had Twitter, I'd be tempted to Tweet Richie that lesbians don't have sex with men. Period. They have zero interest in it and I don't think getting her drunk first would fix that. But Richie thinks he's a real stud. After all, that's allegedly Teresa's problem, right? She's jealous of what Rich and Kathy have? Lol.

[ghoulina]

9 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

If I had Twitter, I'd be tempted to Tweet Richie that lesbians don't have sex with men. Period. They have zero interest in it and I don't think getting her drunk first would fix that.

No kidding. And it it WAS possible to "turn" a lesbian, Richie Wakilie would NOT be the one to do it. In fact, if he was the last dude on earth, you can be damned sure I'd start giving the ladies a try. 

[happykitteh]

1 hour ago, jaync said:

That's not a fact, just opinion. Sure, Jac acts like a fucking loon sometimes, but she's certainly not the first HW to do so, nor will she be the last. She could be perimenopausal for all any of us know.

Yes, but I doubt the time devoted to Nick surpasses that of Teresa's four children, who arguably have their own special needs because of the shitty situation their parents dealt them.

Yes that is my opinion. I didn't preface it with "IMO" because I assumed everyone here knows I am not speaking as a mental health professional who has treated Jac, lol. Going by what we have seen for years I doubt it's perimenopause and even if it is why is Chris not insisting she get treatment? I wouldn't want that crazy around my kids, esp Nick.

Tre kids have been damaged by her and Joe but to put them in the same category as Nick does a disservice to those dealing with autism and other special needs families, IMO.

[Keepitmoving]

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No kidding. And it it WAS possible to "turn" a lesbian, Richie Wakilie would NOT be the one to do it. In fact, if he was the last dude on earth, you can be damned sure I'd start giving the ladies a try. 

Bwaah, LOL, I love it. My lord he is absolutely gross, I don't get why he's still on the screen. 

Rosie's love life is a show for him, he's a horrible brother in-law. Instead of saying things like if Rosie is happy, I'm happy, or asking Rosie if the girlfriend treats her well...no, instead it's about his gross fantasies. Fantasies which apparently include incest, since every time he mentions the foursome he seems to have forgotten that two of the participants in his foursome are siblings, his wife and sister in-law.  He's a sick fuck, please Bravo, make him go away.

[jaync]

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Yes that is my opinion.

You stated it so unequivocally, that I wasn't sure, lol.

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Going by what we have seen for years I doubt it's perimenopause and even if it is why is Chris not insisting she get treatment?

I don't know...why didn't Juicy get Teresa treatment for her anger issues when she was throwing shit around and grunting like a wild beast? Maybe Chris doesn't think Jac needs clinical help. He knows his wife better than anyone, so it's his judgement call to make, not mine.

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Tre kids have been damaged by her and Joe but to put them in the same category as Nick does a disservice to those dealing with autism and other special needs families, IMO.

I was speaking in terms of physical time and attention paid to one younger child versus three younger ones. Anyway, we don't know that Jac doesn't give Nick the required time he needs from her, or if he needs more than is being given.

[ginger90]

Richie was talking about a golf foursome, dontcha know!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/richardwakile/status/787833250781724672/photo/1

[Giselle]

So has anybody seen their puny popcorn in the stores?

I wonder how much Chris is gonna rake off the top before he reports earnings and hands out donations, the first being too himself of course? 

[Otherkate]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Richie was talking about a golf foursome, dontcha know!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/richardwakile/status/787833250781724672/photo/1

This guy think we're all as dumb as he is.

[Yours Truly]

17 hours ago, happykitteh said:

Tre doesn't have serious genuine mental illness, Jac does. Tre doesn't have a special needs child, Jac does.  I hate Jac but it sickens me that Chris puts the Bravo paycheck over getting her help (I think she needs to be institutionalized for a time to get some intense therapy) because he thinks he's to good to do the 9-5 thing.

Geez, being an emotionally, easily triggered person isn't severe mental illness.

Do I think she has stressors in her life sure. Is she coping well? I think she could use some help with managing her emotional sensitivity but I really am over every thing relating to serious mental defects. We as people all have breaking points. Given certain situations any body can have a severe moment triggered by some intense situation. Hell, road rage is a thing and it has nothing to do with some chemical imbalance or official mental health issue. It's triggered by circumstance. By having an intense emotional reaction to something as benign as driving. It's odd but it's a very real and dangerous thing. I think a lot of life can trigger those sort of emotional reactions and not just road rage. I use road rage as an example because I think what goes on in a case of road rage is the same set of emotional factors that go on when we see someone fly off the handle to the degree Jac and SOOOOOOOO many other housewives in the franchise have done. I've had meltdowns. I've flown off the handle in the most unhinged way but I don't suffer from any mental illness and I haven't been institutionalized. FRUSTRATION is a huge culprit. Frustration? Can you believe it? I can and I expect most people do to. I also believe if I was dealing with the kind of triggers that Jac and the other wives deal with while filming the show I would probably have some slip ups myself.  I mean we see a lot of crap go on on these show. A lot of it is ridiculous and the behaviors we witness have us completely amazed and in awe. Some of it's jolting and unbelievable so imagine when you're in it? Some people just don't walk the maze as well as others.

I personally believe that Jac is vulnerable and would benefit from taking a bit more control over her emotional unstableness by way of figuring out better coping and a more mature releasing of her anger but mental health? She's just an immature woman who has a shit load of insecurities and can't get passed a high school mindset when dealing with  a group of women who are all friendly with each other. What I really see in Jac is a woman who can't stand the idea that she's the "left out" friend. I shit you not. Jac's biggest issue is that she feels like the one in the group that is the most likely to be the one that gets joked on or pranked or punked or left out or completely uninvited. The Duff... Lol. . and I think a lot of her emotional reactions are based on this very sad recipe.  I have a feeling this insecurity reared it's head with her sister in laws too. I do think she would benefit from some couch time for sure but she's far from needing to be institutionalized. That's a stretch. She just has a mean streak coupled with her immature way of handling conflict with a dose of hard core insecurities and yeah unhinged moments are gonna happen. I don't think it's anything official tho. Or at least not a condition that isn't triggered by circumstance cause you don't have to have a mental disorder to have emotional and mentally dysfunctional episodes but to me that's more of a managing issue than a psychotic issue. However she would benefit from some sort of assistance with her issues.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Yours Truly

[ghoulina]

IMO, Jac isn't just easily emotionally triggered. She is obsessive, increasingly paranoid, and has the immaturity of someone half her age. 

[KungFuBunny]

Siggy and Jacqueline share many of the same characteristics. They both take any situation and twist it until it turns to them and their feelings. Siggy said she was in bed crying for 4 days after Vermont. I remember a season where, Chris is at the closed bedroom door…and Jacqueline can’t get out of bed…she’s crying. In case you didn’t know it, Siggy has had plastic surgery on every part of her body. When her facelift settles, she’ll resemble another Easter Island statue.

I felt bad for her mom. All she wants is to spend time with her children and grandchildren and Siggy doesn’t hear her. I felt bad for her son, I don’t think he knew everyone at Dolores’ house and they didn’t need to know he came out of Siggy’s cookie and that she breast fed. So cookie is the new chuckie.

I could have sworn before the renovations, Dolores wanted ALL white.

I think both Dolores and Siggy will still walk that tightrope of being 150% behind Jacqueline no matter what as they have both confided private issues with Jacqueline and fear being her next target. I think they encourage her to makeup or fixate on Teresa and Melissa because it puts them out of target range.

Chris isn’t pussy whipped or stuck with Jac because of the kids. He’s afraid of her because she knows where a good portion of the stolen money lies. He encourages her to be on this show, because it is a great way to launder the money they have and gives him some respite from her focus on him, he gets about a foot more rope on his leash.

[Yours Truly]

14 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

IMO, Jac isn't just easily emotionally triggered. She is obsessive, increasingly paranoid, and has the immaturity of someone half her age. 

All within the rights a person can be. Being intense and ill equipped at managing life situations maturely doesn't necessarily rate being institutionalized. Not saying a counseling session once or twice a month wouldn't benefit her as well as some self help methods but it's so annoying how mental health is always thrown around. The bitch don't know how to act. Plain and simple. She's got selfish tendencies and is bratty and I'm pretty sure the situation with her son has frayed her already less than mature impulse control. Not everything deserves a trip to the nut house and not every distasteful rant should provoke a "fear for safety, one flew over the cuckoos nest" disturbing response.  People act out. Some more loudly, inappropriately or intensely than others. There is mentally disturbed and then there is inappropriateness based on lack of self control or particular circumstance or a set of underlying reasons not medically related. Sure it does produce unhealthy issues and situations but it isn't some official, ongoing physical ailment that prevents Jac from being able to get passed her disturbing tendencies. Her overall make up has equipped her to behave well within the basic guidelines of civility. She decides to lash out, act out or push forward in these ridiculous ways. These are choices. Being sick isn't a choice and it's hard to control.

Actually I'm disappointed that this mental health aspect is so strongly alluded to cause if it was in fact some medical disorder I would expect less hostility aimed at her. But as usual mental health is something that still draws nasty and negative impatience so if that's going to be the case I'd rather the grievances with Jac stick to the fact that she's just extremely immature, bratty and possibly on edge due to the fact that she spends a lot of her energy dealing with her son and his needs. I mean to be this harsh but still attribute her behavior to mental health issues seems so wrong to me.

[SoCal4Us]

Road rage is an example of Intermittent Explosive Disorder.  Pretty much any irregular behavior has a name these days. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, SoCal4Us said:

Road rage is an example of Intermittent Explosive Disorder.  Pretty much any irregular behavior has a name these days. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

All I know is that I've found myself getting very very ragey on the road and have made very poor decisions by engaging in some petty highway games. Like speeding up and not letting someone pass. Hell one time I went up to 90 MPH to keep him for being able to pass me cause I was super pissed and aggravated that the asshole behind me was being a dick. I mean it's stupid, dangerous and I don't do it often but I do get extra extra angry. I've never jumped out my car and actually played out some of those crazy incidents that do happen but I always find it truly amazing how my mood can shift so drastically in the car and I'm pretty sure it's a common occurrence for most people. Some less frequent some more some not as intense some not lasting as long but it happens. My thing is Jac has no impulse control and that's a sign of being bratty and being extra sensitive to things not going her way. Do I think she needs to get outside help with learning some coping skills? Hell yeah. Do I think someone needs to throw a straight jacket on her. Nope. There are levels to moods and behaviors and then there are actually afflictions. Hey who knows maybe there is some sketchy chemical brain activity going on up there but I haven't witnessed anything that suggests her issues aren't just here behaving badly. Whether it's due to the stressors of raising a special needs child or strong insecurities or anything along those lines its still her inability to act appropriately and proportionately to the situations that present themselves.

I actually understand her point of view and agree with some of the shit she's trying to express and I can also understand being triggered cause the design of the show is one big trigger but she gets in her own way and she takes its to a ridiculous place.

[jaync]

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I see no issue with displaying something viewed as a personal accomplishment;

I don't take issue with it, just thought it was eyeroll-worthy. Because it's not like the viewers aren't aware of the cookbook, or that she would need it for a reference (unless the recipes are not really hers/she never makes them).

I find it interesting that Siggy's husband is so ghost, when the hubbies/SOs have always figured pretty prominently on this series.

[SoCal4Us]

I don't think Jac needs a straightjacket either - well, maybe when she's waving her finger in someone's face or sitting on someone uninvited lol.  Maybe she could use some help with impulse control and coping skills, but a lot of times I think she's acting exactly how she means to act.  She wants/needs the controversy to stay on the show.

ETA replying to Yours Truly's post above.

Edited October 28, 2016 by SoCal4Us

[Yours Truly]

22 minutes ago, SoCal4Us said:

I don't think Jac needs a straightjacket either - well, maybe when she's waving her finger in someone's face or sitting on someone uninvited lol.  Maybe she could use some help with impulse control and coping skills, but a lot of times I think she's acting exactly how she means to act.  She wants/needs the controversy to stay on the show.

ETA replying to Yours Truly's post above.

Yeah, she's exercising  her own will is where I'm coming from.  I also believe she displays very unhealthy behaviors and could definitely use some therapy regarding managing her emotions better but going to therapy is something you do to better understand oneself and cope with the world around us. Now that's the direction Jac needs to point herself in.

[happykitteh]

1 hour ago, jaync said:

I don't take issue with it, just thought it was eyeroll-worthy. Because it's not like the viewers aren't aware of the cookbook, or that she would need it for a reference (unless the recipes are not really hers/she never makes them).

 

Or maybe she's just proud of it and wants to display it.

[kassa]

On 10/25/2016 at 6:19 PM, jaync said:

 

Probably in as much as one can judge how good it was, I suppose. At this point in filming, I assume most of what Teresa knew about yoga was learned from whatever inmate was leading the prison classes and/or any instructional books she may have read.

That was my take on it.  Yoga isn't a calesthenics class - there's usually a narrative coming from the instructor that's positive and calming and helping the class to flow from one thing to the next. Theresa's approach was more like an aerobics instructor shouting "GRAPEVINE!" above the music.  The whole tone was off.  And I too think it's because of the way she learned.  Sure, she's a beginner, but a beginner who had learned in regular yoga studios wouldn't be quite that far off base in tone, I don't think.  Doesn't mean she can't learn, but it seems like she got the moves down but not the spirit of the thing.

Hell, I'd go to her class for the celebrity factor, and she obviously puts in the time on the mat because there is a decided difference in her physically and emotionally. If you've got to pick up a habit in the joint, yoga's about as good as it gets.

[happykitteh]

On 10/27/2016 at 10:05 AM, Yours Truly said:

Geez, being an emotionally, easily triggered person isn't severe mental illness.

 

My post that you quoted said serious mental illness, not severe. I do think Jac has serious mental problems, serious emotional problems. I still maintain she would do well to check into a hospital that specializes in this sort of problem, get away from the stressors in her life - including getting off the show and related social media - and regroup, learn how to deal with her issues and emotions in a healthy manner. Yes, it would mean time away from Nick but he would benefit greatly in the long run. And Chris would actually have to get a job, a real job, and stop with the scams and living off HW money. Her issues have been going on for several years now and Chris seems to just ignore that there's something wrong with her. I remember the year of Strippergate she was too emotionally upset and unstable to attend the reunion - per Caroline. Either that or she knew she was in on setting up both Mel and Tre and used that as an excuse to avoid getting questioned and busted out for it at the reunion.

[bichonblitz]

Siggy (as loud and annoying as ever) was on Wendy Williams show this week and still claims that there is nothing wrong with Jac. She is very intelligent, a great mother, pointing out how well Ashlee turned out, and a fantastic grandmother. Seriously. She really believes this. She is as delusional as Chris Laurita. 

13 hours ago, happykitteh said:

I remember the year of Strippergate she was too emotionally upset and unstable to attend the reunion - per Caroline. 

Yea, and I'm still pissed off about this. I thought in their contract, all housewives in all franchise's were required to attend the reunions or they are automatically fired. Like Adrianne Mallouf was. For some reason, it was ok for Jac to not attend. I blame Satan Andy for letting her get away with that. 

[Yours Truly]

On 10/28/2016 at 10:03 PM, happykitteh said:

My post that you quoted said serious mental illness, not severe. I do think Jac has serious mental problems, serious emotional problems. I still maintain she would do well to check into a hospital that specializes in this sort of problem, get away from the stressors in her life - including getting off the show and related social media - and regroup, learn how to deal with her issues and emotions in a healthy manner. Yes, it would mean time away from Nick but he would benefit greatly in the long run. And Chris would actually have to get a job, a real job, and stop with the scams and living off HW money. Her issues have been going on for several years now and Chris seems to just ignore that there's something wrong with her. I remember the year of Strippergate she was too emotionally upset and unstable to attend the reunion - per Caroline. Either that or she knew she was in on setting up both Mel and Tre and used that as an excuse to avoid getting questioned and busted out for it at the reunion.

My guess is that life is what's wrong with her. As well as her immaturity and lack of self control. She needs to take a breath and sit on a couch. I would say just as much or maybe a wee bit more than the rest of us who struggle a little harder with extreme stressors in our lifes. <shrug>

That's not something another gets to decide for someone else though so I'm not mad at Chris. You do the best you can with what ya got.

[Giselle]

Jaq is blithering in her blog about her t-shirt saying that Ashley designed it. That saying is old and t-shirts with that phrase have been around forever.