S11.E14: Secrets, Lies And Vicki's New Guy

[ElDosEquis]

15 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Im intrigued to see if shannom really did confide in vicki about somethimg or not.  I do wonder what could shannon deem too personal to reveal?  This is a woman that admitted to pladtic surgery even providing before pics, to showing her mid section tonthe world, airing an affair and the aftetmath, an enema, talking about her husbands wet dreams, etc.  Shes the most hinest housewife ever that i can recall....i think she was hired cause of that fact as a direct opposite of shady Gretchen.

Vicki needs to be careful...her inability to admit fault or remorse could land her a pink slip...it happened to gretchen 

She isn't from this planet?

[zoeysmom]

32 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I am gonna side with David in this post.

Imagine living with a fucking loon - harmless, but still - always prattling along about fung shui, crystals, acupuncture, hospital grade air, water and colonics.

Imagine the task of looking up your SOs asshole looking for lost funnels and imagine YOUR HORROR when there is nothing there?

You'd think people would know they have something shoved up their rectum?

Hypoallergenic bedding, mattresses and blankets? After a few months of that I'd be out......way fucking out.

I can handle a little neurosis, but I don't live having to pass thru an airlock, sprayed with disinfectant and walking around in disposable paper clothes.

Now, Davey made the choice, so he had no one to blame but him self. I think that it's a chickenshit move to bang around on your wife, GTFO and be done with it.

The other thing that irritates the fuck out of me is those two chopping wood in front of the kids.

There are splinters and woodchips flying and the possibility that someone is going to get cut.......badly.

Not a good look for the parental units.

What I remember most about David and Shannon is their first romantic getaway night, and David complaining about her car being dirty.  How very Americana, foundation argument in the battle of the sexes.  Their first dinner party in their elegant home and David buying a single bottle of wine for the group.  Shannon's potatoes being hard and David's tenderloin roast being perfect, Shannon yammering about the guests being left unattended and David snapping back with they can handle the conversation without us.  It was like a postcard from a marriage on the edge. It became pretty clear this couple were parents first and put their relationship on the back burner.

As the season went on I really thought the marriage is over.  The first part of their second season was brutal but damn if they didn't make it work.  They obviously both love their kids and through the miracle of therapy or whatever they did they put it back together.  I guess their theory was the kids probably knew about it anyway, they seem as a family unit to now review and discuss.

Shannon is kind of a lovable neurotic, but unlike say Aviva, she isn't mean spirited.  I don't think any of these women are terribly close in the off season but I have noticed Shannon being very supportive of Tamra and Eddie's endeavors.  I believe her to be a bot of a sleeper in the intelligence department.  Because of her counter culture taste she seemed to be kind of a hippy dippy but there is an awareness about her and a nose for the untruthful that is pretty sharp.

David made such an incredibly poor choice in an affair.  A married woman with three kids, a handsome husband and a career.  Now David has that career woman at home with Shannon.  Shannon has a thriving career, and has managed to do it with out shilling any product, the mansion is gone, they are living large in a coastal home with transitional furniture, enjoying family vacations and attending sporting events, as in travelling with the team.

Have they been too open with the kids. . . .yep.  David, who I am cheering for, made probably the dumbest choice in his life to hook up the first day of his wife filming a reality show.  What works is the do put their kids first.  All three girls are good athletes (in spite of having a klutz for a mom) the kids are in the arts ( in spite of having a mom on reality TV).  If David can tolerate green living, crystals. a lung condition, Shannon has to suck up her in-laws.

I get a guy's viewpoint and in the end I think it was they both put their differences aside to raise their children as a family unit.  These girls will have very interesting family memories.

[notnowimbusy]

I bet Shannon's kids are elated that they finally live in a house with WIFI!   I love how Shannon goes nuts for only "organic", but she can justify dying her hair as "she does everything else holistic, so it offsets the results".   Everything with her is such a production.  I can't imagine living with somebody that high maintenance. 

Even though she was extremely dramatic about it I can understand Heather's reaction to the candle shop.  I can't even go into one of those places without starting to get a sore throat and headache.    Sometimes I take care of my neighbor's pets, and I have to put a towel over my face when I go in because of the smell of perfume, candles and dog pee - not good!!!

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

I bet Shannon's kids are elated that they finally live in a house with WIFI!   I love how Shannon goes nuts for only "organic", but she can justify dying her hair as "she does everything else holistic, so it offsets the results".   Everything with her is such a production.  I can't imagine living with somebody that high maintenance. 

Even though she was extremely dramatic about it I can understand Heather's reaction to the candle shop.  I can't even go into one of those places without starting to get a sore throat and headache.    Sometimes I take care of my neighbor's pets, and I have to put a towel over my face when I go in because of the smell of perfume, candles and dog pee - not good!!!

I am in the camp that thinks Shannon should cut her hair.  It never looks good.

When they had the high maintenance poll on WWHL, Heather was first - which delighted her, Vicki was second and Shannon was third.  I am thinking pregnant Meghan might knock Heather out of the lead.

I agree with Heather nothing worse than being around a bunch of smelly candles or car deodorizers.

[yogi2014L]

9 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

I just about out with this show.  Deranged Kelly has nothing that interests me.   Meghan is just dumb as a bag of hammers.  Vicki & Tamra need to start trying out for soap operas.  Until Heather can move into her house, she's got nothing.   Shannon - beating a dead horse.  

Next week doesn't look any better.   That clip of Tamra sobbing and staring (straight into the camera) is so fake. 

I literally laughed both times I saw the preview. Her eyes look black too which adds to the ridiculousness

[mbaywife123]

Someone upthread mentioned Vickis brother Billy and it got me to thinking that we haven't seen him at all this season, did he finally figure out that his sister is a liar face?

Also, we never hear anything of her other adopted siblings (she spoke of them)in a previous season ever come to her defense.

Seems that her family wishes to distance themselves from her including her own children.

[notnowimbusy]

Heather is high maintenance but in a much different way than Shannon.   Heather is more wanting specific high priced things, which I guess she can afford, but with Shannon it's everyday, all day, and seems like she jumps on the bandwagon for the latest eco craze.   Then it's up to her family to hop on board or else an endless, nonsensical explanation of why 9 lemons are soooooooo important.     I think Vicki is more obnoxious and unhappy than high maintenance.  She really wants just to be screwed on a regular basis, have somebody run her errands, and remind her of how hard she works.   Meghan tries to be high maintenance, but Jimmy doesn't pay enough attention to notice.   But, she is becoming a bit of a hypochondriac and play this pregnancy for all it's worth.  But, then again, Jimmy won't notice. 

[beaker73]

2 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

Why would Vicki bitch about Shannon n David to Shannon's friend Heather? Oh wait...Vicki is a narcissist. Never mind. ?

I know, right?!  Barking up the wrong tree with that. 

[ButterQueen]

I'm not really enjoying this season.  I was so worn down with the Brook's thing last season, I'm sick of hearing it rehashed.  Kelly is really certifiable, and I am shocked she thinks SHE gets to decide whether to stay married or not.  How Michael stands her antagonistic ways is beyond me.  Pregnant Meghan is annoying and Heather and Tamra have nothing really.  I can hardly watch David and Shannon....he just Icks me out.  I miss the ladies having fun together.  

[Muffyn]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 0:00 PM, WireWrap said:

Did you notice that Vicki said that "every cent raised will go to help raise awareness", not that every cent would go to fund research!

I for one am so grateful to Vicki.  Without her I never would have heard of cancer.  How do you pronounce that?  Is it like can-sir or can-ker?  Can-sear? I am so confused.  But at least I am now aware that cancer exists. Vicki does so much good for humanity.  /sarcasm

I wouldn't doubt Heather's comment about the scents in the store being too much for her except she had been throwing so much shade before the event, it all seems suspicious.  Yes, candle stores can be really overwhelming.  But Heather is the queen of coming up with excuses to leave housewife events early. 

[mbaywife123]

Kelly's blog on Bravo is a classic!

First she wonders why Michael didn't tell her about her foobs hanging out from under her bikini top,but isn't she the COO of a mirror company? Guess she doesn't know how those reflective things work.

Then she launches into an epic tale about wienergate. Her hot dog and diet Coke turns into a missing Costco card, hot dog(s) and soda(s) and telling him to wait at the entrance. I mean really if you were planning on eating said hot dogs and drinking sodas wouldn't Michael also had been waiting or come back for said food instead of disappearing into Costo?

She also claims she tried to call/text him on one of those new fangled transmission devices and got no response.

Me thinks someone has been here reading our posts!

[breezy424]

I think Heather is more high maintenance than Shannon.  Heather is a perfectionist.  Shannon is wacko about organic but she can live with messy.  Heather would flip out with all those boxes around Shannon's new house.  The crew would be in there putting everything away and lining everything up.  Shannon and David cooked at their dinner party.  Heather would have a chef (oh wait, doesn't she have one?) and a planner, with her approval on everything.  Don't get me wrong.  Heather is fun on trips and willing to do things but everything in the background has to be to the level of what Heather expects.  Heck, she rented her own luxury RV for Glammis.

Vicky is just a pain in the ass.  And don't put your feet up on her furniture and you better send the right transportation for the airport.

As for the candle shop - it depends on the scents.  Put me in Bath and Body Works in the Spring with tropical beachy scents and I really like it.  Put me in the same store with Christmas pine and pumpkin, my nose is overwhelmed (not that I don't like those scents but it's a bit of an overload).  But I wouldn't have to leave.  Perfumes are a whole other thing.  There are some that just put me over the edge.  At one of my kid's graduation, my son and I had to get up and move.  Our eyes were tearing it was so bad. 

Edited October 6, 2016 by breezy424

[biakbiak]

33 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

Kelly's blog on Bravo is a classic!

First she wonders why Michael didn't tell her about her foobs hanging out from under her bikini top,but isn't she the COO of a mirror company? Guess she doesn't know how those reflective things work.

Then she launches into an epic tale about wienergate. Her hot dog and diet Coke turns into a missing Costco card, hot dog(s) and soda(s) and telling him to wait at the entrance. I mean really if you were planning on eating said hot dogs and drinking sodas wouldn't Michael also had been waiting or come back for said food instead of disappearing into Costo?

She also claims she tried to call/text him on one of those new fangled transmission devices and got no response.

Me thinks someone has been here reading our posts!

So she actually knew exactly where he was when she took the car and left him to Uber home, she just did it because she is a vindictive bitch? I swear she has no concept of how she comes off, no wonder she and Vicki get along. 

[mbaywife123]

18 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

So she actually knew exactly where he was when she took the car and left him to Uber home, she just did it because she is a vindictive bitch? I swear she has no concept of how she comes off, no wonder she and Vicki get along. 

Yep, two liar faces living the vida loco! Let's hope they " NO scratchy the woody " on their way out the door,

Edited October 6, 2016 by mbaywife123
Forgot the word NO

[Former Nun]

34 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

 

16 hours ago, Sai said:

 When Vicki got caught in the cancer scam Shannon treated her like crap, calling her a liar, screaming at her, etc.  

At Vicki's request (or at least approval), Shannon pulled some pretty big-time strings to have Brooks seen at a prestigious hospital (City of Hope?).  He didn't go and Vicki pooh-poohed the entire event.  Shannon may have been embarrassed to have asked important doctors to help her "friend."

[Former Nun]

14 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I'm sure that he knows how to modulate his dickishness when he needs to.

Kelly brings out my dickishness too...once a week!

[Former Nun]

11 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

 I am thinking of reporting her to the CA Attorney General, she is claiming to be a charity though she admits she doesn't have IRS not-for-profit status.

Mention BRAVO when you prepare your report.  They're accessories before, during, and after the fact.

[PickleDeeDee]

On 10/4/2016 at 9:06 AM, chick binewski said:

 

If Bravo wants to continue filming Vicki, Bethenny, Luann and Theresa can't they put them together on one spin-off series? Like Non-MILF Island where they can hunt each other down. Also, is Meghan appearing in The Mikado? WTF was she wearing?

Belly laughing, Chick B! Imagining a "Lord of the Flies" reality show with these "Non-MILF's" chasing each other has tickled me to no end!  

Also, did anyone comment on Meghan's skeleton dress she wore to the candle store last week? Has she been reading these boards and that was her wink to viewers who say she looks like a giraffe skeleton? 

As Shannon pulled out some ziplock baggies, I couldn't help wondering if they don't off gas harmful chemicals into her organic snowflake children's lunches?  Who knew my mattress was affecting me magnetically?  

Vicki should pay that shop keeper for the floor crack that caused her nipple cover to slip out, because it's the first time Vicks has caused me a smidgen of entertainment value this season.   Well worth the damage to the Prada.  Prada shoes and Maseratis? Slick Vick is definitely cashing in on her infamy with not a shred of guilt.  Kill Cancer should be subtitled Kill Cancer (while keeping Vicki in designer shite)

What was wrong with Tamara tatas in those cleavage shots at Heather's party? I thought Heather and Terry were cute.  I've been listening to Heather Dubrow's World podcast and I have to admit I'm swinging back to being in her fan camp.   

As an expat living abroad in a city that hosts a number of "ugly American" tourists, I cringe for the citizens of Ireland in the next episode!

[Sai]

18 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Shannon didn't know that Vicki was threatening to out some deep dark secret/lie though, Vicki only said it to Kelly and in her TH segment, not to Shannon. When Vicki did try to use the "You lie as well" punch, Shannon called her on her bluff and asked Vicki to give her just 1 lie she, Shannon, has ever told her and Vicki had nothing.......nothing! LOL IMO, Shannon was "nice" to Vicki to shut Tamra and Heather (and maybe production as well) up and nothing more, she was tired of their lectures about moving on. LOL

At the candle party Vicki told Shannon she lied and then the next time they met at Heather's party Shannon was all friendly with Vicki.  We have all seen Shannon go ballistic when someone accuses her of something that isn't true.  Why didn't she go bonkers this time like she usually does?  Why instead of being even more angry at Vicki she changed her tune real quick?  I don't think Vicki should reveal the secret if there is one and if it will hurt Shannon's family.  All I'm saying is I believe that Vicki does know of some secret lie from Shannon.  It's just too suspicious the way Shannon changed so suddenly.

[Ubiquitous]

19 hours ago, Anne Thrax said:

Not if it's done properly.

Perhaps Tamra can use this as an opportunity to appear on Botched?

17 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

I am thinking of reporting her to the CA Attorney General, she is claiming to be a charity though she admits she doesn't have IRS not-for-profit status. 

You're only thinking about reporting Vicki's fake charity? ;-)

[ElderPrice]

On twitter there are 6 followers and no tweets on the Killallcancer page. Vicki blocked me when I called her a liar lol.

[motorcitymom65]

14 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Oh sorry, I misunderstood I thought you meant that was the "secret," oh I totally think that Vicki is capable of making up a lie like that. She's like Guiliani and thinks everyone has infedilities but I think when it's revealed whatever this "secret" is will be like the thing with the mistress where there will be some basis in truth (the sister and mistress were friendly) that Vicki changes into David's mom had her over for multiple family dinners. 

I still love that Vicki has changed the argument from saying Shannon lies to just saying that Shannon has a secret. Secrets and lies are too different things, Vicki! Maybe that is her confusion with the Brooks cancer thing it wasn't a lie it was just a secret that Brooks didn't have cancer!

It is possible it is a secret and a lie.  

[Sai]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It is possible it is a secret and a lie.  

Exactly!!!  I can say, "Hey MotorCityMom, I have a secret to tell you.  Remember that story I told a while back?  Well, it was all a lie."  See?  Secret and lie all rolled into one.  What's so hard about that?

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, Sai said:

At the candle party Vicki told Shannon she lied and then the next time they met at Heather's party Shannon was all friendly with Vicki.  We have all seen Shannon go ballistic when someone accuses her of something that isn't true.  Why didn't she go bonkers this time like she usually does?  Why instead of being even more angry at Vicki she changed her tune real quick?  I don't think Vicki should reveal the secret if there is one and if it will hurt Shannon's family.  All I'm saying is I believe that Vicki does know of some secret lie from Shannon.  It's just too suspicious the way Shannon changed so suddenly.

Yes, Vicki did tell Shannon that she, Shannon, also tells lies and Shannon called her out right there and then. Telling Vicki to give her 1 example of a lie she has told and Vicki had nothing, absolutely nothing, so I think Shannon thought she handled the problem/Vicki then. Vicki went from saying "lie" to "secret" to Kelly and in her TH segments but Shannon had no idea at this point that Vicki was threatening her. Also, by this point, Shannon has been lectured/counseled to play semi nice/move on with Vicki by Tamra and Heather (and I am sure production as well) and that is what we see her doing at Heather's book party.

Does Vicki have some "secret" Shannon shared with her, maybe, maybe not but I doubt that anything out of Vicki's mouth will be the truth, the whole truth.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It is possible it is a secret and a lie.  

Vicki herself stopped using the word lie after Shannon challenged her to name one thing that she lied about and started saying secret.

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, Sai said:

Exactly!!!  I can say, "Hey MotorCityMom, I have a secret to tell you.  Remember that story I told a while back?  Well, it was all a lie."  See?  Secret and lie all rolled into one.  What's so hard about that?

Not at all hard to believe.  Maybe Shannon told Vicki that David's affair last year wasn't his first. Shannon kept telling everyone she was shocked because he wasn't the sort of chap to do something like that. Maybe that is a lie. With all that we have learned about the dude, I can easily believe that. He was too unhappy and had been unhappy for a long time. Always seemed strange he would pick the week he started filming a reality show to make such a huge life altering decision.  Sounds more like the behavior of someone who had done this before. Maybe Shannon confessed an affair of her own, after telling us she had never strayed (I do find this unlikely). A secret and a lie. 

What I do find the most interesting is Kelly saying it had been confirmed. How so? Vicki is saying over on Twitter that she has the proof to back it all up. She clearly learned a lot from her whole binder ordeal. I don't like Vicki and never have, but I will say she has given me some reason to be interested in an otherwise bland and uninteresting season. I'm not like Heather here - I want to know what the secret/lie is all about. 

[motorcitymom65]

51 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, Vicki did tell Shannon that she, Shannon, also tells lies and Shannon called her out right there and then. Telling Vicki to give her 1 example of a lie she has told and Vicki had nothing, absolutely nothing, so I think Shannon thought she handled the problem/Vicki then. Vicki went from saying "lie" to "secret" to Kelly and in her TH segments but Shannon had no idea at this point that Vicki was threatening her. Also, by this point, Shannon has been lectured/counseled to play semi nice/move on with Vicki by Tamra and Heather (and I am sure production as well) and that is what we see her doing at Heather's book party.

Does Vicki have some "secret" Shannon shared with her, maybe, maybe not but I doubt that anything out of Vicki's mouth will be the truth, the whole truth.

At this point, Vicki has a "Brandi issue" with the truth. She has proven herself to be a liar. We know she has lied about things, there is just no denying it. Does that mean that everything she says is a lie? Of course not. Just as was the case with Brandi. The problem is she has lost credibility, and whatever she says will be met with suspicion. She will look vindictive no matter what. That doesn't mean that people won't give it some thought and wonder about Shannon. 

I think in the moment (at the candle deal), Shannon really couldn't understand what Vicki was talking about. I think she gave it some thought, and remembered private conversations they had when they were close. With their prior behavior, some of those conversations probably took place when they were drunk and private information tends to come out with less thought of future ramifications. I think she thought about it later and decided to do some major damage control. Her behavior with Vicki at Heather's deal was more than just a person trying to prove she had moved on. You would never have known they had missed a beat in their friendship. 

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

At this point, Vicki has a "Brandi issue" with the truth. She has proven herself to be a liar. We know she has lied about things, there is just no denying it. Does that mean that everything she says is a lie? Of course not. Just as was the case with Brandi. The problem is she has lost credibility, and whatever she says will be met with suspicion. She will look vindictive no matter what. That doesn't mean that people won't give it some thought and wonder about Shannon. 

I think in the moment (at the candle deal), Shannon really couldn't understand what Vicki was talking about. I think she gave it some thought, and remembered private conversations they had when they were close. With their prior behavior, some of those conversations probably took place when they were drunk and private information tends to come out with less thought of future ramifications. I think she thought about it later and decided to do some major damage control. Her behavior with Vicki at Heather's deal was more than just a person trying to prove she had moved on. You would never have known they had missed a beat in their friendship. 

Remember, Vicki changed it from Shannon telling lies like everyone else to knowing a secret that will hurt Shannon's family. I'm not convinced that Vicki has anything on Shannon because Shannon seems to tell everyone, including us, her inner most thoughts whether or not we want to hear them and I don't put it past Vicki making up something nasty to paint Shannon in a negative light to try and make herself look less vile. LOL I guess we will all know if Vicki is just pulling a KimR (BH) or is she really has dirt on Shannon when this now "secret" is revealed. Also, Vicki/Kelly claiming Vicki has "proof" doesn't mean squat.........the binder is just 1 example of Vicki's level of "proof" LOL

[notnowimbusy]

Vicki's entire "charity" seems to be nothing more than trying to get people in her database to spam them with offers for insurance.  To make people "aware" - means nothing more to me than Vicki telling them what kind of policy they will need when/if they get cancer.  Of course, Vicki being Vicki, sees it as a public service. 

You bet Shannon is rewinding every conversation she had with Vicki.  I don't think she's nervous about it, but instead decided she was tired of getting nagged by Tamra & Heather and didn't want to appear to be the one who was unreasonable.

[motorcitymom65]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Remember, Vicki changed it from Shannon telling lies like everyone else to knowing a secret that will hurt Shannon's family. I'm not convinced that Vicki has anything on Shannon because Shannon seems to tell everyone, including us, her inner most thoughts whether or not we want to hear them and I don't put it past Vicki making up something nasty to paint Shannon in a negative light to try and make herself look less vile. LOL I guess we will all know if Vicki is just pulling a KimR (BH) or is she really has dirt on Shannon when this now "secret" is revealed. Also, Vicki/Kelly claiming Vicki has "proof" doesn't mean squat.........the binder is just 1 example of Vicki's level of "proof" LOL

Just my opinion, but I think folks are getting caught up in wordsmithing the whole deal. We are talking about Vicki, and the girl is not good with her words. Remember that when Brandi revealed Adrienne's secret, she called it her lie.  It was both, and Brandi called it both at different times, but what she focused on -  and what she claimed bothered her about it - was the fact that Adrienne was lying. Most of us watching didn't worry about the lie. We got it, and were more concerned about something private being revealed. It could be the same situation here. Shannon lied about something that she was trying to keep private. Doesn't bother me one bit, but I'm not of LVP school of thinking that says that once someone comes on a reality TV show, they don't get to keep anything private. 

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Just my opinion, but I think folks are getting caught up in wordsmithing the whole deal. We are talking about Vicki, and the girl is not good with her words. Remember that when Brandi revealed Adrienne's secret, she called it her lie.  It was both, and Brandi called it both at different times, but what she focused on -  and what she claimed bothered her about it - was the fact that Adrienne was lying. Most of us watching didn't worry about the lie. We got it, and were more concerned about something private being revealed. It could be the same situation here. Shannon lied about something that she was trying to keep private. Doesn't bother me one bit, but I'm not of LVP school of thinking that says that once someone comes on a reality TV show, they don't get to keep anything private. 

Well, we will just have to wait and see. I am sure the reunion will be interesting to say the least. LOL 

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, notnowimbusy said:

Vicki's entire "charity" seems to be nothing more than trying to get people in her database to spam them with offers for insurance.  To make people "aware" - means nothing more to me than Vicki telling them what kind of policy they will need when/if they get cancer.  Of course, Vicki being Vicki, sees it as a public service. 

You bet Shannon is rewinding every conversation she had with Vicki.  I don't think she's nervous about it, but instead decided she was tired of getting nagged by Tamra & Heather and didn't want to appear to be the one who was unreasonable.

Back when the women started writing blogs, Vicki was always pushing the insurance stuff, as if it were second to oxygen in our existence.  Then she had a plan/scam where for $400.00 you could become an enrolled agent and work for her.  Every week the number grew it would be I have 800 people working for me, the next week 900 people.  All of a sudden that went poof.  Her agency is small with she, Mike another life insurance agent and two property/casualty agents, an office manager (her assistant) and a marketing person. http://www.cotoinsurance.com/our-team  I have an extreme dislike for people who use fear to sell their product.  I don't know why her insurance is better than any other insurance except apparently Vicki Gunvalson and Coto Insurance have come down firmly they are against cancer.  I am still looking for any insurance agency or company or person that is pro-cancer. 

Whatever Vicki's alleged secret is about Shannon's marriage, the secret thing came after Vicki could not name an instance when Shannon lied.   so then in her talking heads she turned it into a "secret".  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/episode-14/videos/vicki-has-secrets-about-shannon-and

Frustrating to me is the fact that Vicki can justify her behavior regarding Brooks and his cancer scam by claiming Shannon lied, everyone lies, so therefor she is just normal.    There are degrees of lying.  There is an inaccurate recollection, there is a denial to protect a secret (surrogacy comes to mind) then there is Teresa Giudice level of lying and she went to prison.  Although Vicki behavior borders on criminal with her cancer crap, her lies to date have not risen to offenses rising to prosecution and they have not been so minor as to deem them insignificant and "normal".  We do all lie, "dinner was good", "Shannon kids were great at their performance", "it doesn't make your butt look big", "I was totally surprised by the surprise birthday party".  Further frustrating with Vicki is she claims she serves on an ethics committee for Orange County insurance agents. I am quite certain extortion is not ethical.  Funny thing when you hold yourself as having ethics and integrity  you should actually live them.   

Does she really expect the other women, or viewers to like her now that she has sunken to subterranean levels of behavior?

[Snarky McSnarky]

7 hours ago, PickleDeeDee said:

 

Vicki should pay that shop keeper for the floor crack that caused her nipple cover to slip out, because it's the first time Vicks has caused me a smidgen of entertainment value this season.   Well worth the damage to the Prada.  Prada shoes and Maseratis? Slick Vick is definitely cashing in on her infamy with not a shred of guilt.  Kill Cancer should be subtitled Kill Cancer (while keeping Vicki in designer shite)

 

I'm surprised she didn't say, "Oh, one of my Pinky Petals brand Coverups fell out of my Neiman Marcus blouse.  She loves the money she receives from dropping product names."  

Call me cynical, but I agree with others who think that whole scene was staged and the nipple cover was in her hand.  

[slitz]

6 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

I'm surprised she didn't say, "Oh, one of my Pinky Petals brand Coverups fell out of my Neiman Marcus blouse.  She loves the money she receives from dropping product names."  

Call me cynical, but I agree with others who think that whole scene was staged and the nipple cover was in her hand.  

Actually, it was Tamra' nipple cover that fell out, not Vicki's.  Tamra even says so in her blog this week.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Just now, slitz said:

Actually, it was Tamra' nipple cover that fell out, not Vicki's.  Tamra even says so in her blog this week.

Wow, really?  Thanks for the info.  I could have sworn Vicki picked it up.

[slitz]

Just now, Snarky McSnarky said:

Wow, really?  Thanks for the info.  I could have sworn Vicki picked it up.

I believe Vicki did, but if you listen closely you can hear that it's actually Tamra saying "That's my nipple cover" while laughing.  I had to watch it a couple of times before I could tell who it was that said that and then it was confirmed in Tamra's blog.

[FlyingEgret]

5 minutes ago, slitz said:

Actually, it was Tamra' nipple cover that fell out, not Vicki's.  Tamra even says so in her blog this week.

For some weird reason, that makes more sense

[slitz]

Just now, FlyingEgret said:

For some weird reason, that makes more sense

Right?  That's what I thought too.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Vicki's GoFundMe campaign is stuck on $143, and there are currently 28 very unflattering comments and none in support of KillALLCancer.  She laid a major egg with this idea.  I wonder who paid for the professional "commercial" that aired on the show.  I also wonder if she's even a little bit embarrassed about this whole debacle.  

https://www.gofundme.com/killALLcancer

[JAYJAY1979]

Makes her Vicki jeans idea seem like a winner lol

[MaggieG]

Gosh, Vicki's outfit at the candle party was ugly. WTF was up with those giant pink belts?

I can't wait for the Ireland drama and for Tamra to go ape shit!

[Baltimore Betty]

Vicki has no barometer for bullshit, she makes bad choices about men to date such as Brooks, bad choices about her business such as the jeans, vodka, wine and now this Kill All Cancers.  She would have more money in the bank if she just worked for a living.  I can only imagine the eye rolls she gets from Brianna every time she comes up with some new crap to sell. 

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, MaggieG said:

Gosh, Vicki's outfit at the candle party was ugly. WTF was up with those giant pink belts?

And the giant grommets. It made me think of a tent or a tarp, fighting a fire or going camping. Horrible dress. 

[Natalie68]

8 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

It is possible it is a secret and a lie.  

IF Vicki reveals whatever it is I hope that gives Tami the go ahead to release all of Vicki's secrets.  Not that I think secrets should be revealed but that FPS (festering piece of shit) would actually deserve it.  THAT is how much I loathe her.

[Mu Shu]

On October 5, 2016 at 3:30 PM, ZaldamoWilder said:

Oh girl I can't even begin to pretend what legitimately going through the experience must be like.  Neither can V-guv so I know she brought the whole shitstorm down on herself.   No excuses.  I just thought they went hard and way long if intelligence-insulting was as bad as it got.    I mean I don't know maybe I'm projecting.  If you lie to my face, I call you a liar then and I know I can't really fuck with you on a real level (like believing you when you really are hurt) and that's the end of it.   Do I wanna spend my weekends and tv airtime using pushpins in a doll made in your likeness?  That's too much of a commitment.  Lol. 

As for Meghan and LeAnn, personally I think she was way too in her feelings about her involvement, given the relationship they had.   They weren't best friends, she was Team Too Much and it was almost as though she was robbing LeAnn of the right to live/publish/direct/tell/feel her own story because she was so busy doing all that for her.   But don't hesitate to correct me, like sai I was catching up on my correspondence through most of last season.   

What was boring big boob girl's name?

Megan was completely out of bounds in contacting people from Crooks life.   All Vicki had to do was explain she didn't know it was a lie, and when she did, she felt she was in too deep, she was alone for the first time in her life, having family issues, and she was leaning on Crooks and she shouldn't have done that, sorry.   I think she would have looked sympathetic, and Megan would have looked worse.  Instead, she continued to deny, and then decided to Kill ALL Cancer worldwide.

megan should have sent her a thank you card for taking all the attention and outrage away from her shitty boundary overstepping shenanigans.  

[HunterHunted]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Vicki has no barometer for bullshit, she makes bad choices about men to date such as Brooks, bad choices about her business such as the jeans, vodka, wine and now this Kill All Cancers.  She would have more money in the bank if she just worked for a living.  I can only imagine the eye rolls she gets from Brianna every time she comes up with some new crap to sell. 

I see this increasing desperation in Vicki. She's been a housewife for longer than anyone else, but Nene, Bethenny, Teresa, Eileen, and LVdP are all getting paid either a million or close to a million while Vicki has a $500,000 salary.

She's seen other wives leverage their fame into successful businesses. Nene has an acting and comedy career. Bethenny has Skinnygirl. Teresa has her Skinny Italian and Fabulicious lines. Lisa VdP has her empire of mediocre restaurants and a wine and liquor business. Jackie from Melbourne has her premixed cocktail business. There are 3 clothing stores: Tags (Kandi), Kyle by Alene too (Kyle), and Envy (Melissa). Home shopping and Evine lines: Heather and Terry, LuAnn, Nene, and Lisa Rinna. Meghan and Jim have their candle and home decor store. There have been 2 workout videos (Phaedra and Kenya) and a gym (Tamra). There have been opportunities to be on other reality shows like Dancing with the Stars (LVdP, Kim Z, Nene, and Kim Fields) and Celebrity Apprentice (Nene, Teresa, Lisa Rinna, Claudia Jordan, Brandi, Kenya, Porsha, Kyle, and Gina Liano). Kandi has a sex product business and her podcast about love and sex. There are other podcasts: Heather Dubrow and Brandi Glanville. Tons of memoirs and self help books. Kandi has a restaurant that she's opening. Cynthia has all of restaurants and bars that Peter opened and closed with her money.

And even with all of that, Vicki has never managed to have one successful business that wasn't insurance. Vicki throws everything at the wall to see what will stick and nothing does. It's funny because Vicki has enough personality to be memorable, but her personality is horrible. She's narcissistic and petty and almost completely lacking in any generosity. She's selfish, thoughtless, uncouth, and shallow. There is nothing about her that I'd like to emulate or aspire to.

If she had a Vicki Gunvalson Puerto Vallarta package with some travel site which included all of her hotspots (Andales too), a hotel stay, some meals, and some merch (an Andales t shirt and a whoop it up mug) in the price, she might actually make some money from that if she takes a % and she can sell travel insurance. Because if there is one thing I know that Vicki knows how to do, it is have drunk stupid low intellect fun. You aren't going to get fancy Michelin star food in a Vicki travel package. You won't get someone asking you if you can taste the different flavor notes in this wine during a Vicki trip. A Vicki trip is exactly how you would have planned a spring break trip at 18 with all of the money you had at 30, or 40, or 50.

Edited October 6, 2016 by HunterHunted

[Ubiquitous]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Back when the women started writing blogs, Vicki was always pushing the insurance stuff, as if it were second to oxygen in our existence.  Then she had a plan/scam where for $400.00 you could become an enrolled agent and work for her.  Every week the number grew it would be I have 800 people working for me, the next week 900 people.  All of a sudden that went poof.  Her agency is small with she, Mike another life insurance agent and two property/casualty agents, an office manager (her assistant) and a marketing person. http://www.cotoinsurance.com/our-team 

I am guessing the sharp reduction in staff is b/c her son's friends wised up to Vicki's scam or got themselves real jobs, ones at which your boss doesn't spank you or forcibly give you makeovers.

[Natalie68]

22 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I see this increasing desperation in Vicki. She's been a housewife for longer than anyone else, but Nene, Bethenny, Teresa, Eileen, and LVdP are all getting paid either a million or close to a million while Vicki has a $500,000 salary.

She's seen other wives leverage their fame into successful businesses. Nene has an acting and comedy career. Bethenny has Skinnygirl. Teresa has her Skinny Italian and Fabulicious lines. Lisa VdP has her empire of mediocre restaurants and a wine and liquor business. Jackie from Melbourne has her premixed cocktail business. There are 3 clothing stores: Tags (Kandi), Kyle by Alene too (Kyle), and Envy (Melissa). Home shopping and Evine lines: Heather and Terry, LuAnn, Nene, and Lisa Rinna. Meghan and Jim have their candle and home decor store. There have been 2 workout videos (Phaedra and Kenya) and a gym (Tamra). There have been opportunities to be on other reality shows like Dancing with the Stars (LVdP, Kim Z, Nene, and Kim Fields) and Celebrity Apprentice (Nene, Teresa, Lisa Rinna, Claudia Jordan, Brandi, Kenya, Porsha, Kyle, and Gina Liano). Kandi has a sex product business and her podcast about love and sex. There are other podcasts: Heather Dubrow and Brandi Glanville. Tons of memoirs and self help books. Kandi has a restaurant that she's opening. Cynthia has all of restaurants and bars that Peter opened and closed with her money.

And even with all of that, Vicki has never managed to have one successful business that wasn't insurance. Vicki throws everything at the wall to see what will stick and nothing does. It's funny because Vicki has enough personality to be memorable, but her personality is horrible. She's narcissistic and petty and almost completely lacking in any generosity. She's selfish, thoughtless, uncouth, and shallow. There is nothing about her that I'd like to emulate or aspire to.

If she had a Vicki Gunvalson Puerto Vallarta package with some travel site which included all of her hotspots (Andales too), a hotel stay, some meals, and some merch (an Andales t shirt and a whoop it up mug) in the price, she might actually make some money from that if she takes a % and she can sell travel insurance. Because if there is one thing I know that Vicki knows how to do, it is have drunk stupid low intellect fun. You aren't going to get fancy Michelin star food in a Vicki travel package. You won't get someone asking you if you can taste the different flavor notes in this wine during a Vicki trip. A Vicki trip is exactly how you would have planned a spring break trip at 18 with all of the money you had at 30, or 40, or 50.

Now she is going to steal your FABULOUS idea and claim she came up with it on her own.  This IS about a Vicki vacay so you ought to throw in some Depends.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Who Has Dirt On Someone And Hickeys On Her Boobs On The Real Housewives Of Orange County?

And other not-quite-burning questions as this week's whopping two launch parties spark and sputter.

[zoeysmom]

17 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I see this increasing desperation in Vicki. She's been a housewife for longer than anyone else, but Nene, Bethenny, Teresa, Eileen, and LVdP are all getting paid either a million or close to a million while Vicki has a $500,000 salary.

She's seen other wives leverage their fame into successful businesses. Nene has an acting and comedy career. Bethenny has Skinnygirl. Teresa has her Skinny Italian and Fabulicious lines. Lisa VdP has her empire of mediocre restaurants and a wine and liquor business. Jackie from Melbourne has her premixed cocktail business. There are 3 clothing stores: Tags (Kandi), Kyle by Alene too (Kyle), and Envy (Melissa). Home shopping and Evine lines: Heather and Terry, LuAnn, Nene, and Lisa Rinna. Meghan and Jim have their candle and home decor store. There have been 2 workout videos (Phaedra and Kenya) and a gym (Tamra). There have been opportunities to be on other reality shows like Dancing with the Stars (LVdP, Kim Z, Nene, and Kim Fields) and Celebrity Apprentice (Nene, Teresa, Lisa Rinna, Claudia Jordan, Brandi, Kenya, Porsha, Kyle, and Gina Liano). Kandi has a sex product business and her podcast about love and sex. There are other podcasts: Heather Dubrow and Brandi Glanville. Tons of memoirs and self help books. Kandi has a restaurant that she's opening. Cynthia has all of restaurants and bars that Peter opened and closed with her money.

And even with all of that, Vicki has never managed to have one successful business that wasn't insurance. Vicki throws everything at the wall to see what will stick and nothing does. It's funny because Vicki has enough personality to be memorable, but her personality is horrible. She's narcissistic and petty and almost completely lacking in any generosity. She's selfish, thoughtless, uncouth, and shallow. There is nothing about her that I'd like to emulate or aspire to.

If she had a Vicki Gunvalson Puerto Vallarta package with some travel site which included all of her hotspots (Andales too), a hotel stay, some meals, and some merch (an Andales t shirt and a whoop it up mug) in the price, she might actually make some money from that if she takes a % and she can sell travel insurance. Because if there is one thing I know that Vicki knows how to do, it is have drunk stupid low intellect fun. You aren't going to get fancy Michelin star food in a Vicki travel package. You won't get someone asking you if you can taste the different flavor notes in this wine during a Vicki trip. A Vicki trip is exactly how you would have planned a spring break trip at 18 with all of the money you had at 30, or 40, or 50.

Four years ago Tamra was making $600.000.00 a season, according to documents on file with the court, so I don't think Vicki is making less than Tamra was four years ago.  I think Vicki makes top dollar and her daughter probably brings in close to Meghan's salary.  Even  Michael seems to be drawing a paycheck this year.  Vanderpump, Richards and Vicki also score extra money for having their homes as sites of parties.  I would wager to say most of Vicki's income is derived from RHOC.  I think she spends it.

Teresa lost her Skinny Italian and Fabulicious lines-before they ever really took off, but she and Vicki suffer the same disease-they don't want to cut anyone in and be the face of, they all want to be Skinnygirl.  Vicki even self-published her book-which I believe was the first RH book.  Must have a garage full of them somewhere.  Vicki had the dress line last year now of all things she has a skin care line.  Last year also saw Diamonds by Vicki and a perfume line.  Nothing sticks because the only people who will associate with her are other cons.

Years ago Vicki did a Cruise with Vicki Gunvalson, on the show, Donn and Michael screwed around and didn't attend her seminars.  There is just no way Vicki has the personality or couth to lead even a small group of people in a discover Puerto Vallarta, she is too demanding.  Luann from RHONY did a Real Housewives of New York bus tour ala Sex and the City.  Then again she has the manners to pull it off. 

The best news of all is four RH will be gracing Mohegan Sun For reality Check night: 

Who would want to hear any of these people speak?  Four of the most self-absorbed RH ever.  The irony the one who has made the most bank of RH is the felon.